From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Mar 04 21:58:25 2018 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Mar 2018 02:58:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44949 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1esgKX-0006pE-7A for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Mar 2018 21:58:25 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:53633) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1esgKW-0006p1-3v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Mar 2018 21:58:24 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1esgKP-0004pQ-B0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Mar 2018 21:58:18 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:38024) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1esgKP-0004pK-7c for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Mar 2018 21:58:17 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44586) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1esgKK-000418-HW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Mar 2018 21:58:16 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1esgKE-0004mf-IS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Mar 2018 21:58:12 -0500 Received: from homie.mail.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.208]:36792 helo=homiemail-a2.g.dreamhost.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1esgKE-0004mR-9L for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Mar 2018 21:58:06 -0500 Received: from homiemail-a2.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a2.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD0D628006E for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2018 18:58:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to :subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type: content-transfer-encoding; s=jidanni.org; bh=l52J/4PcvVPZzgomIVU U48tsTPc=; b=EN7SBd10BjpyI9bCnpJKr+iuH1thYx+12D/CcZOCH1cVnrriRyS jnqeT5E/UtvdnPDP+gzFnddA6ULSdADVdccLvkotBg8alRlcdHuybp4ZI8NY7Cq8 5OoDIfhjBUDda5L3oiVrhSfaQ9UcCb0VDTNibdTGMORa8GpMQKJkgFWA= Received: from jidanni.org (1-170-83-63.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [1.170.83.63]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by homiemail-a2.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6E46D28006D for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2018 18:58:04 -0800 (PST) From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: describe-variable misses linking linkable changed items Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2018 10:17:57 +0800 Message-ID: <87606bl0yy.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) I do (describe-variable (quote browse-url-browser-function)) and see in *Help*: browse-url-browser-function is a variable defined in =E2=80=98browse-u= rl.el=E2=80=99. Its value is =E2=80=98browse-url-chromium=E2=80=99 Original value was browse-url-default-browser The problem is browse-url-default-browser should be a blue link, but was not detected as linkable. So the user has to do (describe-function (quote browse-url-default-browser)) to learn about it, instead of just being able to click it! See, it really exists: browse-url-default-browser is a compiled Lisp function in =E2=80=98browse-url.el=E2=80=99. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 14 10:28:43 2019 Received: (at 30707) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jul 2019 14:28:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45580 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hmfUZ-0000R1-5d for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Jul 2019 10:28:43 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:53038) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hmfUW-0000Qs-Tm for 30707@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Jul 2019 10:28:41 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hmfUS-00036c-H8; Sun, 14 Jul 2019 16:28:38 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson Subject: Re: bug#30707: describe-variable misses linking linkable changed items References: <87606bl0yy.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 16:28:36 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87606bl0yy.fsf@jidanni.org> (=?utf-8?B?IuepjeS4ueWwvA==?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Mon, 05 Mar 2018 10:17:57 +0800") Message-ID: <87o91wzo4r.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson writes: > I do > (describe-variable (quote browse-url-browser-function)) > and see in *Help*: > > browse-url-browser-function is a variable defined in ‘browse-url.el’. > Its value is ‘browse-url-chromiu [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30707 Cc: 30707@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes: > I do > (describe-variable (quote browse-url-browser-function)) > and see in *Help*: > > browse-url-browser-function is a variable defined in =E2=80=98browse-u= rl.el=E2=80=99. > Its value is =E2=80=98browse-url-chromium=E2=80=99 > Original value was > browse-url-default-browser > > The problem is browse-url-default-browser should be a blue link, but was > not detected as linkable. > > So the user has to do > (describe-function (quote browse-url-default-browser)) > to learn about it, instead of just being able to click it! This sounds reasonable, but I don't think it is. :-) `browse-url-default-browser' is just a symbol that that variable had as a value. Yes, it's a symbol that refers to a function, but in general, the doc machinery doesn't know that that's how it's going to be used; it might be a total coincidence. (Especially with shorter symbols.) So I'm closing this bug report. --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 14 10:28:46 2019 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jul 2019 14:28:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45583 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hmfUc-0000RJ-Fo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Jul 2019 10:28:46 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:53052) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hmfUa-0000R9-1S for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Jul 2019 10:28:44 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hmfUX-00036j-H4 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Jul 2019 16:28:43 +0200 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 16:28:41 +0200 Message-Id: <87muhgzo4m.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #30707 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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[45.2.119.34]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n22sm29639278iob.37.2019.07.14.07.56.16 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sun, 14 Jul 2019 07:56:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Noam Postavsky To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#30707: describe-variable misses linking linkable changed items References: <87606bl0yy.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o91wzo4r.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 10:56:15 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87o91wzo4r.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 14 Jul 2019 16:28:36 +0200") Message-ID: <877e8k1x80.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.2.90 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30707 Cc: 30707@debbugs.gnu.org, =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes: > >> browse-url-browser-function is a variable defined in =E2=80=98browse-= url.el=E2=80=99. >> Its value is =E2=80=98browse-url-chromium=E2=80=99 >> The problem is browse-url-default-browser should be a blue link, but was >> not detected as linkable. > This sounds reasonable, but I don't think it is. :-) > `browse-url-default-browser' is just a symbol that that variable had as > a value. Yes, it's a symbol that refers to a function, but in general, > the doc machinery doesn't know that that's how it's going to be used; it > might be a total coincidence. (Especially with shorter symbols.) Even if it is just a coincidence, would it hurt to linkify it? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 14 11:03:51 2019 Received: (at 30707) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jul 2019 15:03:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45655 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hmg2Z-0005gr-GX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Jul 2019 11:03:51 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:53524) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hmg2X-0005gj-NI for 30707@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Jul 2019 11:03:50 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=stories) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hmg2T-0003M8-Sk; Sun, 14 Jul 2019 17:03:48 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Noam Postavsky Subject: Re: bug#30707: describe-variable misses linking linkable changed items References: <87606bl0yy.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o91wzo4r.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <877e8k1x80.fsf@gmail.com> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAgMAAAAqbBEUAAAADFBMVEW8p86ojcD16Pbbx+Nj 8PgLAAACOElEQVQokR2RQWsTQRSAl+awExq9VJlZTKQ2Xd2UFTfNLptAEvSWSBIvHiaQgjQpaWKU JE0MSoweV2juFv/ApkWoN8F62TlkQ0U8CN3QBAQPSi+CIC0owbedYQ4fb9773pvhzOVJcRJ0tj79 GK1wg4bSbjR84TvdCwBTtV6fqImGowNsFDpTDc43UuV2Vz/+rPb23z58ZuxyA22tdblduB8Q81XO /Hqk0DXxQZwNAUKbyva71WZXkgBK0xItBVSijwFaX1RaHGn2qQOlQ5VG/18ymZJCEBle8ucLy6LO GERETVzU5r0UIZAGe+sXe0bfMFypKIhTlZRTRYiYk7Ho9weDqeLSCmeGk00lE5eNA2jULIui0iE3 KRUgomob2Q6Joah9wpmJyBNfJhE3tr1wzR8QHaLe8Jb1KjdoBVrjFi2jdQrS5r1mMtc/MPZfuZMq 2jWNUpSHSQcYY4bZnMWOAGoVKSTBCj0H0CdDhx/rzjAAI6iBhNczjiIewMw+CiNJQkiugJQtBG1m XXcwhpy20CGMBQUNSu/ldvpeKRqdv/sapH9Smb+nztlITUMO0XlHhyckW1D6dra26TpTaIXb+374 25p9njk6DDdoCbrHw3hBJwDUJ8fc3hBcM98vJd9Yx5Zju3+6KDyNRcjIq7rSF/ZLKku+K7kdkP46 e/yBLUTO2zE9OEJ4rBOMIUcOpdEtOY3kGkjZ8aFtCfYIw/O6UoE/3wDdbleqS1JNrlW5q9ZsNmNs zoPxyX+qquApDu8dgwAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 17:03:45 +0200 In-Reply-To: <877e8k1x80.fsf@gmail.com> (Noam Postavsky's message of "Sun, 14 Jul 2019 10:56:15 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Noam Postavsky writes: > Even if it is just a coincidence, would it hurt to linkify it? Yes, I think so. It is confusing if you see a link, hit it, and it takes you to someplace completely irrelevant. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30707 Cc: 30707@debbugs.gnu.org, =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Noam Postavsky writes: > Even if it is just a coincidence, would it hurt to linkify it? Yes, I think so. It is confusing if you see a link, hit it, and it takes you to someplace completely irrelevant. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Fri Jun 13 10:00:08 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 11:24:04 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator