From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 02 12:23:34 2018 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Mar 2018 17:23:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41497 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eroP8-0006AY-1g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2018 12:23:34 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:39890) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eroP6-0006AL-RQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2018 12:23:33 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eroP0-0005tV-Nw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2018 12:23:27 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:52142) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eroP0-0005tH-Kt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2018 12:23:26 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59089) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eroOz-0008FN-FA for bug-grep@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2018 12:23:26 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eroOy-0005s9-EH for bug-grep@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2018 12:23:25 -0500 Received: from mail-wm0-x22f.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c09::22f]:37929) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eroOy-0005rw-7z for bug-grep@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2018 12:23:24 -0500 Received: by mail-wm0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id z9so4378656wmb.3 for ; Fri, 02 Mar 2018 09:23:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=fayfGia7lk/GE4UAvCRvNs5PsNp9F5DvBWDc6zwrXg0=; b=jZ4f4W8xv240Vr5+qYi08QbyC6nCXK9keu6lRf0trliLhtipQ1mn6foGn/0CjZ0UJR 8543Iim/32kdoE/GrJUypaIFdCmX3cPa/pOnD72XYQnYw2vUdavzLjZaQu32947CqSjJ 9Ugw1L+b0JYpjXVWxbzgzClgKe9fn7J2QKSVfXz+86LQIjpLEcY1+9JQRU5HrFeo0bJf D79TU/pUzzkd41RE5ACs6CL02UJCY2BPWKUlaENfA1R1//QU+IWHR5x1kGs0S7ExPrH/ XqDOR26mfpKhq3bQPIZZVsRJ6sv1iEE05jVXG+h6BYbm02UcvQvKRSl6Xbltf3fWmL5B lN/A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=fayfGia7lk/GE4UAvCRvNs5PsNp9F5DvBWDc6zwrXg0=; b=HP4PhHBL4aXJn0BDGGeWLWhRGcyeCSiKZ13pNN6M6K4jZXKr4EgaTCEzaHlUpztaoe 1UzbV0gddYwc2s9zjxX6yVHv/mgBQ/PvfY7tn3UaZ6tSslZCLBoyPbXgayvfY56YE+8Q CoX3+OcYXN+6xWJ1XHQINsX7vX/X4/hd1B9ds51wp4wwGLPxdOMML3X4/3XUS5fQ/RG3 eejCmjiMdCt90oNZgpd94balkL0Xnins+7DihmzbMcHQ/tRU201UzuCFDEEiOjHP6JZZ ODdN6ocWv1sW0lDRYRzE5qZDbFt+JhCbq5fTW+7hl96p8DEZdr5eU9zkRYZkhE3ANhFO k0mA== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPCpETpjfoYTnUq1pB5bmOnNIjLtSQx4FOaOIiDgx0k7KajWogF7 dzqg5qqnZT/04i4wGOMfN1vSjo1JIv4bEGRbLaX270d2 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELtOzlKNF3p8xotVU0BAg8jo5t8NbGHlvlP8zD964y/PR/vMkz+x/D5DBOjMTUWzbh6B2dBCeZqgSt5NIQdOuXk= X-Received: by 10.80.181.50 with SMTP id y47mr8201536edd.29.1520011402751; Fri, 02 Mar 2018 09:23:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.80.175.161 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Mar 2018 09:23:22 -0800 (PST) From: Peng Yu Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 11:23:22 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: What characters are in [[:space:]]? To: bug-grep@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) Hi, [[:space:]] includes the following unicode character. http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/00a0/index.htm $ echo 'a b' | grep 'a[[:space:]]b' a b $ echo 'a b'|xxd 00000000: 61c2 a062 0a a..b. Where is this info documented for grep? Are these all the possible white space characters? http://jkorpela.fi/chars/spaces.html -- Regards, Peng From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 02 17:32:17 2018 Received: (at 30681) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Mar 2018 22:32:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41584 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ertDt-0004hC-Hq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2018 17:32:17 -0500 Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:54706) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ertDp-0004gw-Vv for 30681@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2018 17:32:14 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5021D1616C0; Fri, 2 Mar 2018 14:32:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id 95nyVW2fDGwS; Fri, 2 Mar 2018 14:32:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A46451616C2; Fri, 2 Mar 2018 14:32:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id JFTfWqDRWiIt; Fri, 2 Mar 2018 14:32:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU (Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.64.200]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8B68B1616C0; Fri, 2 Mar 2018 14:32:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: bug#30681: What characters are in [[:space:]]? To: Peng Yu , 30681@debbugs.gnu.org References: From: Paul Eggert Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 14:32:06 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30681 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) On 03/02/2018 09:23 AM, Peng Yu wrote: > Where is this info documented for grep? It's not documented for grep because it's not part of grep. It's part of your locale. 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To: Paul Eggert Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30681-done Cc: 30681-done@debbugs.gnu.org, Peng Yu X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) tags 30681 notabug stop On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 2:32 PM, Paul Eggert wrote: > On 03/02/2018 09:23 AM, Peng Yu wrote: >> >> Where is this info documented for grep? > > It's not documented for grep because it's not part of grep. It's part of > your locale. You can check for yourself. In every one of the 818 locales installed on a Fedora 27 system, I see the same five bytes: $ perl -e 'print pack ("C*", 0..255);'|grep -ao '[[:space:]]'|tr -d '\n' |od -ac -An ht vt ff cr sp \t \v \f \r From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Mar 04 01:44:39 2018 Received: (at 30681-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Mar 2018 06:44:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43448 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1esNNt-00042Y-N7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Mar 2018 01:44:37 -0500 Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:39422) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1esNNs-00042K-9h for 30681-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Mar 2018 01:44:36 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 495231616C3; Sat, 3 Mar 2018 22:44:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id 2_RmTon8L5fL; Sat, 3 Mar 2018 22:44:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 957351616E0; Sat, 3 Mar 2018 22:44:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id ev0srObACSJH; Sat, 3 Mar 2018 22:44:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.9] (unknown [47.154.30.119]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 72D9E1616C3; Sat, 3 Mar 2018 22:44:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: bug#30681: What characters are in [[:space:]]? To: Jim Meyering References: From: Paul Eggert Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 22:44:29 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30681-done Cc: 30681-done@debbugs.gnu.org, Peng Yu X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Jim Meyering wrote: > In every one of the 818 locales installed on a Fedora 27 system, I see > the same five bytes: Aren't some non-ASCII characters also spaces, in some locales? 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To: Paul Eggert Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30681-done Cc: 30681-done@debbugs.gnu.org, Peng Yu X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 10:44 PM, Paul Eggert wrote: > Jim Meyering wrote: >> >> In every one of the 818 locales installed on a Fedora 27 system, I see >> the same five bytes: > > Aren't some non-ASCII characters also spaces, in some locales? Sorry I was unclear. Those are the single-byte ones. In multi-byte locales, there are also some others (length two bytes or more), indeed. 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