From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:30:19 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#30506 <30506@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#30506 <30506@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: Say Added by package.el Reply-To: bug#30506 <30506@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2025 08:30:19 +0000 retitle 30506 Say Added by package.el reassign 30506 emacs submitter 30506 =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson severity 30506 minor thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 17 21:42:32 2018 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Feb 2018 02:42:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48826 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1enEvv-00074L-PM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 21:42:31 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59052) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1enEvu-000747-8X for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 21:42:30 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1enEvo-0001SI-AH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 21:42:25 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:37599) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1enEvo-0001SB-6z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 21:42:24 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50022) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1enEvn-0006Pk-5m for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 21:42:23 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1enEvi-0001RK-9W for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 21:42:23 -0500 Received: from homie.mail.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.208]:46095 helo=homiemail-a62.g.dreamhost.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1enEvi-0001RB-10 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 21:42:18 -0500 Received: from homiemail-a62.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a62.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD843634073 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 18:42:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to :subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s= jidanni.org; bh=UdBBGbRNmyvKhX6JNJlTThDxgNM=; b=CeyFqji2GsJhYLQ2 3nu83rfpObQLBpIfNrfB8bjIJob0S4X3Q6uOdL8dqwEiPdWFil4K78QiRSpib9P5 xbVGpSU2HB1Hzxgci8Q17blSAR5ZtlUBeSJG13cow+7rkRMe+w15MeWGdWlevtGs DAowE9En1CELH5OLW7f+iArKsnw= Received: from jidanni.org (36-234-69-247.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [36.234.69.247]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by homiemail-a62.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 765E763406F for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 18:42:16 -0800 (PST) From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Say Added by package.el Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 10:42:11 +0800 Message-ID: <87606vauik.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) In one's .emacs file, one might find ;; Added by Package.el. This must come before configurations of ;; installed packages. Don't delete this line. If you don't want it, ;; just comment it out by adding a semicolon to the start of the line. ;; You may delete these explanatory comments. (package-initialize) Well it should say Added by package.el . There is no Package.el on the system and the user will spend a long time looking for it. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 14 12:24:43 2019 Received: (at 30506) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jul 2019 16:24:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45715 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hmhIo-0005gR-Qe for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Jul 2019 12:24:43 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:54680) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hmhIn-0005gI-5s for 30506@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Jul 2019 12:24:41 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hmhIj-0003vv-Kg; Sun, 14 Jul 2019 18:24:39 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson Subject: Re: bug#30506: Say Added by package.el References: <87606vauik.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 18:24:37 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87606vauik.fsf@jidanni.org> (=?utf-8?B?IuepjeS4ueWwvA==?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Sun, 18 Feb 2018 10:42:11 +0800") Message-ID: <874l3ozire.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson writes: > In one's .emacs file, one might find > > ;; Added by Package.el. This must come before configurations of > ;; installed packages. Don't delete this line. If you don't want it, > ;; just comment it o [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30506 Cc: 30506@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes: > In one's .emacs file, one might find > > ;; Added by Package.el. This must come before configurations of > ;; installed packages. Don't delete this line. If you don't want it, > ;; just comment it out by adding a semicolon to the start of the line. > ;; You may delete these explanatory comments. > (package-initialize) > > Well it should say Added by package.el . There is no Package.el on the > system and the user will spend a long time looking for it. Emacs no longer adds this stuff to .emacs, so I'm closing this bug report. --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 14 12:24:49 2019 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jul 2019 16:24:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45718 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hmhIv-0005gm-2i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Jul 2019 12:24:49 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:54694) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hmhIt-0005ge-7a for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Jul 2019 12:24:47 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hmhIq-0003w3-NC for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Jul 2019 18:24:46 +0200 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 18:24:44 +0200 Message-Id: <8736j8zir7.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #30506 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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This must come before configurations of >> ;; installed packages. Don't delete this line. If you don't want it, >> ;; just comment it out by adding a semicolon to the start of the line. >> ;; You may delete these explanatory comments. >> (package-initialize) >> >> Well it should say Added by package.el . There is no Package.el on the >> system and the user will spend a long time looking for it. LI> Emacs no longer adds this stuff to .emacs, so I'm closing this bug report. Are you saying it is now safe to remove those lines from .emacs? emacs-version "26.1" and there still is a $ dlocate package.elc emacs-common: /usr/share/emacs/26.1/lisp/emacs-lisp/package.elc lurking on disk. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 18 14:48:59 2019 Received: (at 30506) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jul 2019 18:48:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54699 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoBSd-00053d-2d for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 14:48:59 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39671) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoBSa-00053Q-J0 for 30506@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 14:48:56 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:34194) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hoBST-0003tj-Kw; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 14:48:50 -0400 Received: from auth1-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.227]:33203) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hoBST-0005Sn-0j; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 14:48:49 -0400 Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailauth.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 810FD21FEB; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 14:48:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 18 Jul 2019 14:48:48 -0400 X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduvddrieehgddufeefucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhephffvufhfffgjkfgfgggtgfesthhqredttderjeenucfhrhhomhepvfgrshhs ihhlohcujfhorhhnuceothhsughhsehgnhhurdhorhhgqeenucfkphepgeeirdektddrje dtrddvheenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepthhhohhrnhdomhgvshhmthhprghu thhhphgvrhhsohhnrghlihhthidqkeeijeefkeejkeegqdeifeehvdelkedqthhsughhpe epghhnuhdrohhrghesfhgrshhtmhgrihhlrdhfmhenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-ME-Proxy: Received: from thinkpad-t440p (p2e504619.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [46.80.70.25]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 48751380088; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 14:48:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Tassilo Horn To: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson Subject: Re: bug#30506: Say Added by package.el References: <87606vauik.fsf@jidanni.org> <874l3ozire.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87d0icfjk2.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 20:48:45 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87d0icfjk2.5.fsf@jidanni.org> (=?utf-8?B?IuepjeS4ueWwvA==?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Mon, 15 Jul 2019 04:27:41 +0800") Message-ID: <87d0i7qiuq.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30506 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 30506@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes: >>> In one's .emacs file, one might find >>>=20 >>> ;; Added by Package.el. This must come before configurations of >>> ;; installed packages. Don't delete this line. If you don't want it, >>> ;; just comment it out by adding a semicolon to the start of the line. >>> ;; You may delete these explanatory comments. >>> (package-initialize) >>>=20 >>> Well it should say Added by package.el . There is no Package.el on the >>> system and the user will spend a long time looking for it. > > LI> Emacs no longer adds this stuff to .emacs, so I'm closing this bug re= port. > > Are you saying it is now safe to remove those lines from .emacs? > emacs-version "26.1" > and there still is a > $ dlocate package.elc > emacs-common: /usr/share/emacs/26.1/lisp/emacs-lisp/package.elc > lurking on disk. package.el[c] is still there, but it doesn't add the above comment and code to the user's init file. Bye, Tassilo From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 18 22:32:05 2019 Received: (at 30506) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jul 2019 02:32:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54947 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoIgn-0002nm-CM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 22:32:05 -0400 Received: from cadetblue.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.28]:51070) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoIgl-0002ne-Qe for 30506@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 22:32:04 -0400 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A22762C2299; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 02:32:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a81.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-83-224.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.83.224]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 1AE6B2C1A80; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 02:32:02 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a81.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.17.3); Fri, 19 Jul 2019 02:32:02 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Minister-Squirrel: 1a8a8c39002a2512_1563503522401_3090114135 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1563503522401:2057603307 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1563503522401 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a81.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a81.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CAB881012; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 19:31:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=30bWxp4j7SyfFIKag16VdiJ2UHg=; b=hksZMLtQ/KEZc yLUA3Ly3SHxiO/x7ZH/WtM0t5E9uKGcODBoxs/1IH0Oe3mgF+20Jdbf5Q7rzg3Bk +utgNl/dgR4ftrYSqLm25DqyJYiJ8S+jKw6MvSbNdIadNZGKBcjlKDvrh9VRyFGE VUukZumSosnVqCnuh5MhPIJJT2KXlg= Received: from jidanni.org (110-28-104-43.adsl.fetnet.net [110.28.104.43]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a81.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 39F258100F; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 19:31:56 -0700 (PDT) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a81 From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: Tassilo Horn Subject: Re: bug#30506: Say Added by package.el References: <87606vauik.fsf@jidanni.org> <874l3ozire.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87d0icfjk2.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87d0i7qiuq.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:31:48 +0800 Message-ID: <87wogekb57.7.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduvddrieeigdeiudcutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpefhvffufhffkfggtgesthdtredttddtjeenucfhrhhomhepnjjnnjcuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqnecukfhppeduuddtrddvkedruddtgedrgeefnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepuddutddrvdekrddutdegrdegfedprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheppeeruhhtfhdqkeerueerheeimhfphefnihehhegsveekreepucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhnrhgtphhtthhopeeftdehtdeiseguvggssghughhsrdhgnhhurdhorhhgnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30506 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 30506@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) TH> package.el[c] is still there, but it doesn't add the above comment and TH> code to the user's init file. Maybe the package-initialize's docstring should say "You may have noticed a line in your .emacs file... Well it is now safe to remove that line." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 19 02:51:33 2019 Received: (at 30506) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jul 2019 06:51:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55013 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoMjt-0000fO-AV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 02:51:33 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38974) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoMjr-0000fC-Lf for 30506@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 02:51:31 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:40902) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hoMjm-0002XI-3A; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 02:51:26 -0400 Received: from auth1-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.227]:46415) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hoMjl-00089W-Pb; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 02:51:25 -0400 Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailauth.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB3A2223B; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 02:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 19 Jul 2019 02:51:25 -0400 X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduvddrieeigdduudegucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhephffvufhfffgjkfgfgggtgfesthhqredttderjeenucfhrhhomhepvfgrshhs ihhlohcujfhorhhnuceothhsughhsehgnhhurdhorhhgqeenucfkphepgeeirdektddrje dtrddvheenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepthhhohhrnhdomhgvshhmthhprghu thhhphgvrhhsohhnrghlihhthidqkeeijeefkeejkeegqdeifeehvdelkedqthhsughhpe epghhnuhdrohhrghesfhgrshhtmhgrihhlrdhfmhenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-ME-Proxy: Received: from thinkpad-t440p (p2e504619.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [46.80.70.25]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 6E79180064; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 02:51:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Tassilo Horn To: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson Subject: Re: bug#30506: Say Added by package.el References: <87606vauik.fsf@jidanni.org> <874l3ozire.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87d0icfjk2.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87d0i7qiuq.fsf@gnu.org> <87wogekb57.7.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 08:51:20 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87wogekb57.7.fsf@jidanni.org> (=?utf-8?B?IuepjeS4ueWwvA==?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:31:48 +0800") Message-ID: <87tvbi1pqv.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30506 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 30506@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes: > TH> package.el[c] is still there, but it doesn't add the above comment > TH> and code to the user's init file. > > Maybe the package-initialize's docstring should say "You may have > noticed a line in your .emacs file... Well it is now safe to remove > that line." The NEWS entry is this: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- ** Installed packages are now activated *before* loading the init file. This is part of a change intended to eliminate the behavior of package.el inserting a call to 'package-initialize' into the init file, which was previously done when Emacs was started. As a result of this change, it is no longer necessary to call 'package-initialize' in your init file. However, if your init file changes the values of 'package-load-list' or 'package-user-dir', or sets 'package-enable-at-startup' to nil then it won't work right without some adjustment: - You can move that code to the early init file (see above), so those settings apply before Emacs tries to activate the packages. - You can use the new 'package-quickstart' so activation of packages does not need to pay attention to 'package-load-list' or 'package-user-dir' any more. --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- So I guess the entry won't hurt anyone but simply removing it might cause issues for people with some special configurations. Additionally, `package-initialize' prints a warning Unnecessary call to `package-initialize' in init file to *Messages* if it is called once packages have been initialized already and no such special configurations apply. So it looks to me like it has been catered for the unnecessary call case already. I'm closing this issue. Bye, Tassilo From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 19 10:10:45 2019 Received: (at 30506) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jul 2019 14:10:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56380 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoTav-0003tu-ER for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:10:45 -0400 Received: from fossa.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.62]:40858) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoTas-0003tk-AS for 30506@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:10:43 -0400 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DF151A0CBF; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 14:10:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a54.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-4-184.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.4.184]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 99B091A1594; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 14:10:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a54.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.17.3); Fri, 19 Jul 2019 14:10:41 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Abaft-Turn: 0a9668746c23387b_1563545441114_2227531833 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1563545441114:2396201028 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1563545441114 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a54.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a54.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBA1C806C1; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 07:10:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=0fqxqAnsaV7bQqIZPCDPnqjUHqs=; b=HYCKVtXT5h07L q7fsaLHa447XFBhNoLUE9umVyz3iS8ljTLqgWg8knof4T67nkmb6zTqJxndjQaGf eE2727vkBDkjIqEp2ojZZpFYCI8AuoFcMH3veU9DDjDmsI4yh7vI5QgAVc2iToqb W0G5uA6Ax1CUDSjn4yV8C3Lo1hwEWs= Received: from jidanni.org (39-8-35-162.adsl.fetnet.net [39.8.35.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a54.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F7AE8296A; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 07:10:34 -0700 (PDT) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a54 From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: Tassilo Horn Subject: Re: bug#30506: Say Added by package.el References: <87606vauik.fsf@jidanni.org> <874l3ozire.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87d0icfjk2.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87d0i7qiuq.fsf@gnu.org> <87wogekb57.7.fsf@jidanni.org> <87tvbi1pqv.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 22:10:23 +0800 Message-ID: <878ssup12o.7.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduvddrieejgdejiecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpefhvffufhffkfggtgesthdtredttddtjeenucfhrhhomhepnjjnnjcuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqnecukfhppeefledrkedrfeehrdduiedvnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepfeelrdekrdefhedrudeivddprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheppeeruhhtfhdqkeerueerheeimhfphefnihehhegsveekreepucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhnrhgtphhtthhopeeftdehtdeiseguvggssghughhsrdhgnhhurdhorhhgnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30506 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 30506@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> "TH" == Tassilo Horn writes: TH> Additionally, `package-initialize' prints a warning TH> Unnecessary call to `package-initialize' in init file TH> to *Messages* if it is called once packages have been initialized TH> already and no such special configurations apply. OK good. I will be seeing this soon when Debian upgrades. From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:30:19 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2019 11:24:06 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator