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"how much resource" is not good English. How much of a given resource or how many resources, not how much resource. "Resource" is a countable noun. 2. "See the functions 'benchmark-run' and 'benchmark-run-compiled'". Those are macros, not functions. And it should probably mention command `benchmark'. 3. The node should say something about library `elp', or it should not mention it. The approach should be similar to what is said about library `benchmark.el', at a minimum. 4. A simple example of using the profiler commands would be welcome. 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Fri, 16 Feb 2018 18:15:54 GMT Received: from abhmp0005.oracle.com (abhmp0005.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w1GIFquq007225 for <30491@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 18:15:54 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1b1b7e96-4c6b-47a9-b830-c6fe088ccfef@default> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:15:51 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: 30491@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: RE: bug#30491: 26.0; (elisp) `Profiling' References: In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4654.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8807 signatures=668673 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=13 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=322 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1711220000 definitions=main-1802160216 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30491 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) Also, some brief comparison of profile, elp, and benchmark could be helpful= : what are their particular purposes, strengths, etc. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 17 05:06:17 2018 Received: (at 30491) by debbugs.gnu.org; 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Sat, 17 Feb 2018 05:06:05 -0500 Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 12:06:06 +0200 Message-Id: <837ercc4mp.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-reply-to: (message from Drew Adams on Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:11:59 -0800 (PST)) Subject: Re: bug#30491: 26.0; (elisp) `Profiling' References: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30491 Cc: 30491@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:11:59 -0800 (PST) > From: Drew Adams > > 1. "how much resource" is not good English. How much of a given > resource or how many resources, not how much resource. "Resource" is > a countable noun. > > 2. "See the functions 'benchmark-run' and 'benchmark-run-compiled'". > Those are macros, not functions. And it should probably mention > command `benchmark'. I fixed those. > 3. The node should say something about library `elp', or it should not > mention it. The approach should be similar to what is said about > library `benchmark.el', at a minimum. Done. > 4. A simple example of using the profiler commands would be welcome. Not sure what example you had in mind. The text mentions 3 profiler commands to invoke, and describes the resulting profile. What would the example include, besides just "M-x profile-start" etc., which sounds redundant? > Also, some brief comparison of profile, elp, and benchmark could be helpful: what are their particular purposes, strengths, etc. I think this was already clear from the text: e.g., benchmark only measures the total execution time of a form, it doesn't produce any insights on the distribution of that time between the form's components. I added more text to make some differences more clear. Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 17 10:45:52 2018 Received: (at 30491) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Feb 2018 15:45:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48461 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1en4gS-00071P-0f for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 10:45:52 -0500 Received: from aserp2130.oracle.com ([141.146.126.79]:46114) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1en4gM-00070s-0Y for 30491@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 10:45:48 -0500 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id w1HFgFhQ184057; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 15:45:39 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2017-10-26; bh=fpSwU7M+ZMlVFA/fulwRXdLUUElsvnlUo3Byabpxny4=; b=eL41MZs1QhJqic1IcySBdpzy+PVjRF9Qd74UP/t4TK/5DDODigXiqbonyrQT0VR/UGTu LKgwlgOP/WUxw0lwlK5YTHo+VAde4YuO34Iv4JdRYiC09bxkAG8ltpBj5kvvhH75LsNF fDGpPVCTDCFSMaB43XVU7HAeJGiMHhZicrNHyb0+7oh08jVJX9o1LQ2UUdxnA+WN+NsO i9GbbDfyJiGyh3VUzFVIbbnC4rh4TiO0ueDisDCEkO02WmO0RBzehfjHmq/P2UJ/8eaT Z69J2w9d9IVUVT8lOnYMbUw5LpWAyRjVqFKYISKaglJCLeX9tNf1zRI48Nwc6YoMmvtB nQ== Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by aserp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2g6p4t83ug-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 17 Feb 2018 15:45:39 +0000 Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w1HFjc4L023511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 17 Feb 2018 15:45:39 GMT Received: from abhmp0006.oracle.com (abhmp0006.oracle.com [141.146.116.12]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id w1HFjaNj029657; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 15:45:36 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1916c70f-34de-44f4-9c0a-2e3bb7c57a49@default> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 07:45:34 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Subject: RE: bug#30491: 26.0; (elisp) `Profiling' References: <> <<837ercc4mp.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<837ercc4mp.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4654.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8808 signatures=668674 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1711220000 definitions=main-1802170210 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30491 Cc: 30491@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) > > 4. A simple example of using the profiler commands would be welcome. >=20 > Not sure what example you had in mind. The text mentions 3 profiler > commands to invoke, and describes the resulting profile. What would > the example include, besides just "M-x profile-start" etc., which > sounds redundant? I guess I was mainly thinking of use of the resulting output. Perhaps it was not so much a doc problem as a problem of usability of the UI of the report. I know I was looking for a way to "open" not just the entry on the current line, but also a way to open either (1) all entries or (2) all entries in the region. I ended up using a keyboard macro to do #1. And I found that the action that is now associated with a `mouse-1' click, which is to "open" the entry of the line clicked, is more annoying than helpful. Clicking to set point is too useful to be lost or relegated to "slow" clicking. I ended up using only the keyboard to move the cursor, which isn't always ideal for direct access. Yes, those are not comments about the doc. Perhaps they could be considered anyway, without needing a separate bug report? > > Also, some brief comparison of profile, elp, and benchmark could be > helpful: what are their particular purposes, strengths, etc. >=20 > I think this was already clear from the text: e.g., benchmark only > measures the total execution time of a form, it doesn't produce any > insights on the distribution of that time between the form's > components. I added more text to make some differences more clear. This post makes a start, but it doesn't mention elp. Perhaps the text you've added (I've not seen it yet) already makes a similar brief comparison. https://emacs.stackexchange.com/a/540/105 Thanks for the doc improvements. 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[45.2.119.34]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id i189sm17309199itf.33.2018.02.17.08.16.13 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sat, 17 Feb 2018 08:16:14 -0800 (PST) From: Noam Postavsky To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#30491: 26.0; (elisp) `Profiling' References: > <837ercc4mp.fsf@gnu.org>> <1916c70f-34de-44f4-9c0a-2e3bb7c57a49@default> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 11:16:13 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1916c70f-34de-44f4-9c0a-2e3bb7c57a49@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 17 Feb 2018 07:45:34 -0800 (PST)") Message-ID: <87y3jr6182.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.90 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30491 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 30491@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Drew Adams writes: > I know I was looking for a way to "open" not just the entry > on the current line, but also a way to open either (1) all > entries or (2) all entries in the region. I ended up using > a keyboard macro to do #1. You can use the prefix argument to profiler-report-toggle-entry (C-u RET). This is documented as of Emacs 25 (see [1: 272391f1d6] and Bug#13455). [1: 272391f1d6]: 2016-07-28 20:02:42 -0400 profiler: document prefix arg for tree expansion https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/?id=272391f1d63eae0c1002d62fa5e5b1d63a0da767 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 17 11:24:08 2018 Received: (at 30491) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Feb 2018 16:24:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48509 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1en5HU-00081z-6r for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 11:24:08 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:52013) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1en5HT-00081n-6j for 30491@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 11:24:07 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1en5HK-0001dS-VU for 30491@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 11:24:02 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:54951) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1en5HK-0001dO-RG; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 11:23:58 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4117 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1en5HK-00020s-1l; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 11:23:58 -0500 Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 18:24:01 +0200 Message-Id: <83po53bn4u.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-reply-to: <1916c70f-34de-44f4-9c0a-2e3bb7c57a49@default> (message from Drew Adams on Sat, 17 Feb 2018 07:45:34 -0800 (PST)) Subject: Re: bug#30491: 26.0; (elisp) `Profiling' References: <> <<837ercc4mp.fsf@gnu.org>> <1916c70f-34de-44f4-9c0a-2e3bb7c57a49@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30491 Cc: 30491@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 07:45:34 -0800 (PST) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 30491@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > 4. A simple example of using the profiler commands would be welcome. > > > > Not sure what example you had in mind. The text mentions 3 profiler > > commands to invoke, and describes the resulting profile. What would > > the example include, besides just "M-x profile-start" etc., which > > sounds redundant? > > I guess I was mainly thinking of use of the resulting output. > > Perhaps it was not so much a doc problem as a problem of > usability of the UI of the report. > > I know I was looking for a way to "open" not just the entry > on the current line, but also a way to open either (1) all > entries or (2) all entries in the region. I ended up using > a keyboard macro to do #1. It's much easier to do "C-u RET" on the top line of the call-tree. And the fact that prefix argument has this effect is documented. > > > Also, some brief comparison of profile, elp, and benchmark could be > > helpful: what are their particular purposes, strengths, etc. > > > > I think this was already clear from the text: e.g., benchmark only > > measures the total execution time of a form, it doesn't produce any > > insights on the distribution of that time between the form's > > components. I added more text to make some differences more clear. > > This post makes a start, but it doesn't mention elp. > Perhaps the text you've added (I've not seen it yet) > already makes a similar brief comparison. > > https://emacs.stackexchange.com/a/540/105 I think this is covered now. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Feb 18 11:07:51 2018 Received: (at 30491) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Feb 2018 16:07:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49928 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1enRVH-0003tj-9t for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 11:07:51 -0500 Received: from aserp2130.oracle.com ([141.146.126.79]:46782) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1enRVG-0003tU-6o for 30491@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 11:07:50 -0500 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id w1IG7KmX032873; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 16:07:43 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2017-10-26; bh=35oqYTwTSIzydPU5JFMCgdoFAqUB4Ob954xRcZs1JQw=; b=Pw6cMzy12kuUPXp15DvhM4eqbHsCokoarr2SbL3k5FsC8uNItBqQu699Sl6JinZ4bkWl hTT/GDYt/A2r65TsyrxvsiT6uCDLCIodxGECPjB2+KF4XYxqDS101oxe4/EmNdAIrHqD GJVX0D/WdXc1ZNR+9wv8YobItvKO1I+prmP28D/wH+1M1QsPSIQKLAhow3yxyzD6kclj axwMwKrz+burxAKbnnLx9HZU+R+9hIvSH0WNCam+CCQc/YXJ+UrAbj2V50iJ1s+yjeXr e9Hc/R90Skm8IN6YgaRaH2Pl5GsBiFrV9CCEbMJqIv3pRmPovzufMjiq11C0iLKziPvn rw== Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by aserp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2g7cpx0032-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 18 Feb 2018 16:07:43 +0000 Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w1IFqdvZ031902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 18 Feb 2018 15:52:39 GMT Received: from abhmp0018.oracle.com (abhmp0018.oracle.com [141.146.116.24]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id w1IFqchZ003654; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 15:52:38 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 07:52:36 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: RE: bug#30491: 26.0; (elisp) `Profiling' References: <> <<837ercc4mp.fsf@gnu.org>> <1916c70f-34de-44f4-9c0a-2e3bb7c57a49@default> In-Reply-To: <1916c70f-34de-44f4-9c0a-2e3bb7c57a49@default> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4654.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8808 signatures=668674 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1711220000 definitions=main-1802180217 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30491 Cc: 30491@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) > And I found that the action that is now associated with a > `mouse-1' click, which is to "open" the entry of the line > clicked, is more annoying than helpful. Clicking to set > point is too useful to be lost or relegated to "slow" > clicking. I ended up using only the keyboard to move the > cursor, which isn't always ideal for direct access. I have `mouse-1-click-follows-link' =3D nil, which normally means that `mouse-1' click just sets point. At the very least it normally does NOT mean that `mouse-1' click does the same thing that `mouse-2' click does. In this context, I would like `mouse-2' to do what `mouse-1' is currently doing: open the clicked entry. And I would like (and expect) that `mouse-1' simply sets point, as usual. This change to making `mouse-1' always open the entry seems to go against Emacs convention and subvert the user's setting of `mouse-1-click-follows-link'. Not only that, but the normal behavior of non-nil `mouse-1-click-follows-link' is that if you hold `mouse-1' depressed for a moment the command simply sets point. But in the profiler report buffer doing that instead shows `C-h f' output for the function. So it seems that the Profiler report key bindings do not respect `mouse-1-click-follows-link' for either a nil or a non-nil value. This is bad design, IMO - a design bug. It is pretty much impossible, it seems, to use `mouse-1' to set point. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Feb 18 11:22:42 2018 Received: (at 30491) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Feb 2018 16:22:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49944 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1enRje-0004Fz-4d for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 11:22:42 -0500 Received: from userp2120.oracle.com ([156.151.31.85]:34072) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1enRjc-0004Fm-KK for 30491@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 11:22:40 -0500 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id w1IGMYwu112248; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 16:22:34 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2017-10-26; bh=YjUjbs4680VjuxjUMML4KY/ow/22HMsa1SztFvUN9Gg=; b=oUBAt/zvqgfPh5RHyp5QR25jro7/NRZh+tiiDHpbD4X2ruMX3pgkhpYkmrG2Za9NT2jq d9WrivKHguVeUulN3d+RKP1g0VODM82SffKTD/YuYpZdyX+jdYJSlqDyaIRiJqs7VfSK Z2Cyrl4hQivCKg5AFo/PwVV+G4+kEMNXNmU/jz597/09j3iQPwRkLWYCf/eQVimYpRwx /RbO/dAiR5NyEPbesOsacAuGTz/Xnej3WMK/uANWUVeggGmKaz1/p+hfHh1zyjSa20aq W1tcMQdK5GziW7umqXFk87qZu8l9lQ88LLzQP7AlHcZ1OBT882xwz/7+wMkKNhzFMEy1 ZQ== Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2g7cpx0148-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 18 Feb 2018 16:22:34 +0000 Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w1IGMXu3004971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 18 Feb 2018 16:22:33 GMT Received: from abhmp0018.oracle.com (abhmp0018.oracle.com [141.146.116.24]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id w1IGMVlJ016353; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 16:22:31 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 08:22:30 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: RE: bug#30491: 26.0; (elisp) `Profiling' References: <> <<837ercc4mp.fsf@gnu.org>> <1916c70f-34de-44f4-9c0a-2e3bb7c57a49@default> In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4654.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8808 signatures=668674 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=996 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1711220000 definitions=main-1802180221 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30491 Cc: 30491@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) > Not only that, but the normal behavior of non-nil > `mouse-1-click-follows-link' is that if you hold `mouse-1' > depressed for a moment the command simply sets point. > But in the profiler report buffer doing that instead > shows `C-h f' output for the function. >=20 > So it seems that the Profiler report key bindings do > not respect `mouse-1-click-follows-link' for either > a nil or a non-nil value. >=20 > This is bad design, IMO - a design bug. It is pretty > much impossible, it seems, to use `mouse-1' to set > point. My bad about that part. Holding `mouse-1' depressed does not show help on the function. But I was right that it also does not set point (as it should, if `mouse-1-click-follows-link' were respected). Holding `mouse-1' for a moment does nothing different. The slow click just toggles the entry, same as a fast click. --- I was confused here by reading the help for `C-h k' for the `mouse-1' click. At the end of that help I read this: For documentation of the corresponding mouse down event , click and hold the mouse button longer than 0.5 second(s). I was misreading that as applying to the command whose doc I was reading: `profiler-report-toggle-entry'. Instead, that sentence is about the key action I used at the prompt of `C-h k'. I think this help text is unclear. 99% of the text is about a COMMAND - the command bound to the mouse up event. And then, with no separation at all, we read a sentence that is suddenly about the second event you caused in response to the `C-h k' prompt'. This is awful (IMHO). At the very least, that sentence should be set off with a clear separator (e.g. horizontal line or C-l char), and it should be in parentheses. Some better help design is needed for this, in any case. I'm sure I won't be the last user to fall prey to this design gotcha. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Feb 18 12:17:35 2018 Received: (at 30491) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Feb 2018 17:17:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50054 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1enSak-0007Z9-2g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 12:17:35 -0500 Received: from aserp2130.oracle.com ([141.146.126.79]:33460) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1enSah-0007Yw-Uz for 30491@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 12:17:32 -0500 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id w1IHHQUk072581; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:17:26 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2017-10-26; bh=BJ119fbVSQ1l515113MPxKGIv1zdNHZY03L/Dwa9syA=; b=u5++xWKxZPRDX6ryAtJZjK9vmUy+Jc+/mV34pvZwZoUFydbHWIaTqcnsW0aAI+Qc2cZ9 EZDfSnJDO4YjFFxhnQRfVCvkQX6KKApMFQseRcTSBWKD1VDSUp8uphOT6gI9SemNvasy XXBXFLhmphE+CQAuqibImsaiYvHkky16enGV4sM5WuHG9+oAxeBOS5Hf112KmECJgK0W e9ZckDV48YkRLKYCkfdQcY/rgi4q3x0yPBKt8tsCKkDKgrYvP0A8ilCmm25jGIWA1fag +fvKua223cC7Dlu+lrk8GafFO2srLdDIwMa9bC6JNmhA9JFOysA6tgN/C8e186QyVKNA VQ== Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by aserp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2g7cpx02tc-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:17:25 +0000 Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w1IHHPw3013276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:17:25 GMT Received: from abhmp0014.oracle.com (abhmp0014.oracle.com [141.146.116.20]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id w1IHHOd7002681; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:17:24 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:17:24 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: RE: bug#30491: 26.0; (elisp) `Profiling' References: <> <<837ercc4mp.fsf@gnu.org>> <1916c70f-34de-44f4-9c0a-2e3bb7c57a49@default> In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4654.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8808 signatures=668674 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=614 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1711220000 definitions=main-1802180233 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30491 Cc: 30491@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) > > So it seems that the Profiler report key bindings do > > not respect `mouse-1-click-follows-link' for either > > a nil or a non-nil value. > > > > This is bad design, IMO - a design bug. It is pretty > > much impossible, it seems, to use `mouse-1' to set > > point. >=20 > My bad about that part. Holding `mouse-1' depressed > does not show help on the function. But I was right > that it also does not set point (as it should, if > `mouse-1-click-follows-link' were respected). >=20 > Holding `mouse-1' for a moment does nothing different. > The slow click just toggles the entry, same as a fast > click. I've submitted bug #30515 for this. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Feb 18 12:21:15 2018 Received: (at 30491) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Feb 2018 17:21:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50076 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1enSeI-0007g2-Iw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 12:21:14 -0500 Received: from aserp2130.oracle.com ([141.146.126.79]:35976) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1enSeH-0007fo-5g for 30491@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 12:21:13 -0500 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id w1IHIRo5072957; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:21:07 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2017-10-26; bh=kAzrgp8tnaTLsRWZ8ga+Tbs/ecUXBkU0mozREyeUihY=; b=Q/Bxx3gR+7iU4rLixBOmBq8KaMibG9n9ZJxT3xkVFSr2tebm8OdTGn91C+t6EhyIl0uC jx1jlENUS4vDi4BD4Z9LD9RGU1tQC9Wwe9caI/WdYKj0dfBjNntItplncWFAmrTF5uTx 0P5igclHSY2kALeJLM54gXS7uk6Hqb4d6r6IDtnjbQQyRpf/rTXFclOh0isTqcEgdTrb ft6CTjwzqAhWzIslU7KScZLkZw7PN73ZB0b7CeVTwngdC6NpEUQftYBF+aQBa7db9/4s ufiKPvLyYDsPqilOzLlTPaiOmE9U1FO3r3EcyA3vQczE6XNhJ++iO9UQkppL0Sl4dxLZ 0Q== Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by aserp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2g7cpx02x8-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:21:07 +0000 Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w1IHL6PP015786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:21:07 GMT Received: from abhmp0014.oracle.com (abhmp0014.oracle.com [141.146.116.20]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id w1IHL6Zj004940; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:21:06 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:21:04 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: RE: bug#30491: 26.0; (elisp) `Profiling' References: <> <<837ercc4mp.fsf@gnu.org>> <1916c70f-34de-44f4-9c0a-2e3bb7c57a49@default> In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4654.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8808 signatures=668674 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=891 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1711220000 definitions=main-1802180233 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30491 Cc: 30491@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) > I was confused here by reading the help for `C-h k' > for the `mouse-1' click. At the end of that help I > read this: >=20 > For documentation of the corresponding mouse down > event , click and hold the mouse button > longer than 0.5 second(s). >=20 > I was misreading that as applying to the command whose > doc I was reading: `profiler-report-toggle-entry'. >=20 > Instead, that sentence is about the key action I used > at the prompt of `C-h k'. >=20 > I think this help text is unclear. 99% of the text > is about a COMMAND - the command bound to the mouse > up event. And then, with no separation at all, we > read a sentence that is suddenly about the second > event you caused in response to the `C-h k' prompt'. >=20 > This is awful (IMHO). At the very least, that > sentence should be set off with a clear separator > (e.g. horizontal line or C-l char), and it should > be in parentheses. >=20 > Some better help design is needed for this, in any > case. I'm sure I won't be the last user to fall > prey to this design gotcha. I've submitted bug #30516 for this. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Feb 18 12:36:41 2018 Received: (at 30491) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Feb 2018 17:36:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50083 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1enStF-00082p-3d for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 12:36:41 -0500 Received: from userp2130.oracle.com ([156.151.31.86]:56610) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1enStD-00082a-H3 for 30491@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 12:36:39 -0500 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id w1IHaXKf117697; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:36:33 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2017-10-26; bh=EJzi1rghAQJZfWSmDAudVOar98EgJNLtHOctxBPjlLA=; b=RKgO9dXcbM4CsrSpQU7M2z4LhXYZHkp9bxx/afAEFQZTSdagRc3zaR/XWssVYc6a+lRI joKJkb4zB4uzj0WTnfiUeRgsvX9jxIciuqU9UxQhL+9u9oYggiO1HU6Mg1yElw1C56fg WvY4X4YlnOolW/T3igoDy2kQ0RbAtJiicXve//KX5PKVwTPKcFRBnA/MOXUJcOq93fxx N0VmxhTlOlRngsePuFqOpGhx6Du4ajhfiC1P0P6HBiRPVv/Tlopc7G8hiyO0drDPpsbU +GkgEhwZNqPOzrn64/tDNEWJQ8FQFkxMdWRKD41jlaq1DNOYkalizQfl8/xwGLjEREMB lw== Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by userp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2g7cm904kw-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:36:33 +0000 Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w1IHaWq5016262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:36:32 GMT Received: from abhmp0014.oracle.com (abhmp0014.oracle.com [141.146.116.20]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id w1IHaVJS021900; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:36:31 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3f7c7912-3f13-4644-a1e1-5310cc1250c8@default> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:36:30 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: RE: bug#30491: 26.0; (elisp) `Profiling' References: <> <<837ercc4mp.fsf@gnu.org>> <1916c70f-34de-44f4-9c0a-2e3bb7c57a49@default> <83po53bn4u.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83po53bn4u.fsf@gnu.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4654.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8808 signatures=668674 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1711220000 definitions=main-1802180238 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30491 Cc: Michael Heerdegen , 30491@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) > > I know I was looking for a way to "open" not just the entry > > on the current line, but also a way to open either (1) all > > entries or (2) all entries in the region. I ended up using > > a keyboard macro to do #1. EZ> It's much easier to do "C-u RET" on the top line of the call-tree. EZ> And the fact that prefix argument has this effect is documented. NP> You can use the prefix argument to profiler-report-toggle-entry (C-u NP> RET). This is documented as of Emacs 25 (see [1: 272391f1d6] and NP> Bug#13455). Yes, I see that now. I don't think it's very obvious, though. For some reason, we've dedicated all of these keys to this command: `mouse-1', `i', `TAB', `RET', and we've put it in the menu-bar menu. (Why so many keys?) And yet we've dedicated no key to doing directly what `C-u i' does. Maybe that should be rethought? At the very least, maybe that action should be added to the menu-bar menu, so that users can more easily discover that they can invoke it using `C-u i'. (Ccing Michael H.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 20 13:27:02 2018 Received: (at 30491) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Feb 2018 18:27:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53172 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eoCd4-0007fl-0H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 13:27:02 -0500 Received: from aserp2130.oracle.com ([141.146.126.79]:59020) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eoCd2-0007fQ-V9 for 30491@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 13:27:01 -0500 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id w1KIMW7A117042; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 18:26:53 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2017-10-26; bh=1OF+BeOyGrqJvDDRnAl6N+saHP6S3iNB3YUXdlwcstk=; b=bnmHEPTZXBodeWwWmwe3dtJ7FyGdfU8KHijAbmAm6Lxlz/TymqGwlrjHszD89DNz+HDU hqsuzyzUUcNvvo4ZX/eliySXwqPRBpAf4bZGg8QjO6v4oOASX6uNoymTSpwtS4YIlS4x kiqyVPiHk9Pn9KXPO4LSxT7Ke657VnojHOXIg/xCRf+3YGriTFKiUdom82brnZnlH09/ l1izo0K7+Q15gQ/5pd09OYHruSbe1Etqa68HNWX+uTJDXPWazoz7hbDlHSeFcnuc6CwW E2KlK8tTIQWTJhlcy7IPqcI/566W2bJRzHiB6etnvaEoROtr/xF/ZBwgsoAq/tgrwZxH iw== Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by aserp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2g8ptb8u8a-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Feb 2018 18:26:53 +0000 Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w1KIQqMV017930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Feb 2018 18:26:52 GMT Received: from abhmp0015.oracle.com (abhmp0015.oracle.com [141.146.116.21]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id w1KIQpPH007468; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 18:26:52 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <40dde7d2-c8ad-4e99-8d2c-2b62a40aa03c@default> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 10:26:50 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: RE: bug#30491: 26.0; (elisp) `Profiling' References: <> <<837ercc4mp.fsf@gnu.org>> <1916c70f-34de-44f4-9c0a-2e3bb7c57a49@default> <83po53bn4u.fsf@gnu.org> <3f7c7912-3f13-4644-a1e1-5310cc1250c8@default> In-Reply-To: <3f7c7912-3f13-4644-a1e1-5310cc1250c8@default> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4654.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8810 signatures=668675 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=758 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1711220000 definitions=main-1802200220 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30491 Cc: Michael Heerdegen , 30491@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) Other UX problems I see with `profiler-report-mode'. #1 is the greatest annoyance, to me. 1. There should be an easy way to expand the tree space horizontally, to eliminate eliding (`...'). When I use the profiler the code that I really want to see is too often completely missing - it's hidden by `...'. How to show it? To work around this limitation I found myself tweaking variables `profiler-report-(cpu|memory)-line-format' to increase the `left' value, which is ridiculous. Is there a better way to expand/expose the elided entries? I was hoping that maybe command `profiler-report-expand-entry' would do the job, but it doesn't. Expanding for that command means exposing but not widening the field (column) so that an elided entry is shown. 2. Command `profiler-report-expand-entry' with a prefix arg does not do what its doc string says - it does not expand the whole subtree. It expands the subtree at point only if the current line has a `+' sign. So if the current line has `-' instead, and if some lines under it (in its subtree) have `+', those `+' lines are not expanded. I think it should do what its doc says, or at least that some command should do that. 3. Commands `profiler-find-profile(-other-(window|frame))' should maybe be bound to keys. They complement function `profiler-report-write-profile'. They should at least be added to menu-bar menu `Profiler'. They let you move to a different (saved) profiler report. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 23 13:01:48 2021 Received: (at 30491-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Oct 2021 17:01:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37060 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1meKOy-0001X0-KF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 13:01:48 -0400 Received: from mail-pf1-f177.google.com ([209.85.210.177]:37487) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1meKOv-0001Wa-V7 for 30491-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 13:01:47 -0400 Received: by mail-pf1-f177.google.com with SMTP id q19so6509087pfl.4 for <30491-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 10:01:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=nKhkqrGtsYF09e3Z3Dt1G2huxteqmCR/Mz3PZAalNAI=; b=hGM5ZUlGbOx/rS6ft46/xfk4QY46vQuQkgYwjujYrxNot5/yXHRe/OGISeJH7z+5V2 QfXZ2LjVOoNA5Jmehb7S8aWTXFq7f163E2Zq27ZEqea3zdxuQqdKvUosIvJ3Gl4EfvxJ gKjTqjAsk14RHgu+s21BTviMOpQlgKPrWo1XQgRzBy070rzTl/QjaGHGWvmzp9V+mpav kWffwZJTQnVcpErYcVZFABSCa8OcdFe2e8q8AlXWB7NmAPh92DKmBn4ab3zCLoViw3Om aG/6fUeoXrBztqmXXNc4KpXPEJRsXnRgO4ifZapoLX/+8BjsFv8fXoKJaLirHVbHTRM7 sUsw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533TZwzfmeR4/m93J//ITlsEheM3GKHL0ZGHTjPX2LbNsyMHtF28 uTouOyHpUMbI5cn74Vw00gqKhF9DfBzmNSQK4uc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyt7Zds+w9AkOW7zOCurLFFbQXt0lyn2Arc/VouxcYAsZ5m+7Osz7MjG8qHxUbJB0okbqe5BOfuEjHBOzXD6fQ= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6a00:244d:b0:44d:c279:5155 with SMTP id d13-20020a056a00244d00b0044dc2795155mr7409122pfj.0.1635008500251; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 10:01:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 10:01:39 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <83po53bn4u.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 17 Feb 2018 18:24:01 +0200") References: > <837ercc4mp.fsf@gnu.org>> <1916c70f-34de-44f4-9c0a-2e3bb7c57a49@default> <83po53bn4u.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 10:01:39 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#30491: 26.0; (elisp) `Profiling' To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30491-done Cc: 30491-done@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> > > Also, some brief comparison of profile, elp, and benchmark could be >> > helpful: what are their particular purposes, strengths, etc. >> > >> > I think this was already clear from the text: e.g., benchmark only >> > measures the total execution time of a form, it doesn't produce any >> > insights on the distribution of that time between the form's >> > components. I added more text to make some differences more clear. >> >> This post makes a start, but it doesn't mention elp. >> Perhaps the text you've added (I've not seen it yet) >> already makes a similar brief comparison. >> >> https://emacs.stackexchange.com/a/540/105 > > I think this is covered now. >From reading this thread, it seems like the documentation issues here have been fixed. There were also some tangents, but separate bug reports were filed for those. So it doesn't seem like there's nothing more to do here, and I'm closing this bug. As always, please report back if there's something I missed. Please open new bug reports for any remaining issues that are not related to the documentation changes discussed here. Thanks in advance. 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Sat, 23 Oct 2021 11:36:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 11:36:37 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: References: > <837ercc4mp.fsf@gnu.org>> <1916c70f-34de-44f4-9c0a-2e3bb7c57a49@default> <83po53bn4u.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 11:36:37 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: RE: [External] : Re: bug#30491: 26.0; (elisp) `Profiling' To: Drew Adams , Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30491-done Cc: "30491-done@debbugs.gnu.org" <30491-done@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Drew Adams writes: >> From reading this thread, it seems like the documentation issues here >> have been fixed. There were also some tangents, but separate bug >> reports were filed for those. So it doesn't seem like there's nothing >> more to do here, and I'm closing this bug. >> >> As always, please report back if there's something I missed. Please >> open new bug reports for any remaining issues that are not related to >> the documentation changes discussed here. Thanks in advance. > > Some doc problems were addressed; other problems (UI) > were not. (The bug wasn't closed in 2018, BTW.) The fact that the bug wasn't closed doesn't tell us much, as bugs are routinely left open for over a decade around here just because someone forgot to close it. ;-) If I understand you correctly, you are saying that there are outstanding UI issues left to fix. I suggest you open new bug reports for them, as it takes a significant amount of time to trawl through bug reports about unrelated issues looking for such nuggets of information. As is evidenced by me closing this bug: I didn't see that there was anything in here that wasn't already fixed, even after having read the discussion in full. Thanks in advance. 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23 Oct 2021 19:13:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37315 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1meMS5-0003Aw-QN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 15:13:09 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:40060) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1meMS1-0003AP-CD for 30491-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 15:13:08 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:41012) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1meMRs-00033X-S0; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 15:12:59 -0400 Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2551 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1meMRs-0008MF-E1; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 15:12:56 -0400 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 22:12:44 +0300 Message-Id: <83tuh74ksz.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Sat, 23 Oct 2021 18:18:56 +0000) Subject: Re: [External] : Re: bug#30491: 26.0; (elisp) `Profiling' References: > <837ercc4mp.fsf@gnu.org>> <1916c70f-34de-44f4-9c0a-2e3bb7c57a49@default> <83po53bn4u.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30491-done Cc: 30491-done@debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Drew Adams > CC: "30491-done@debbugs.gnu.org" <30491-done@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 18:18:56 +0000 > > > From reading this thread, it seems like the documentation issues here > > have been fixed. There were also some tangents, but separate bug > > reports were filed for those. So it doesn't seem like there's nothing > > more to do here, and I'm closing this bug. > > > > As always, please report back if there's something I missed. Please > > open new bug reports for any remaining issues that are not related to > > the documentation changes discussed here. Thanks in advance. > > Some doc problems were addressed; other problems (UI) > were not. (The bug wasn't closed in 2018, BTW.) The UI design is an entirely separate issue. The rest was fixed. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 23 15:15:01 2021 Received: (at 30491-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Oct 2021 19:15:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37319 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1meMTt-0003Di-56 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 15:15:01 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:40768) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1meMTq-0003DV-OJ for 30491-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 15:15:00 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:41110) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1meMTl-00044C-A1; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 15:14:53 -0400 Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2675 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1meMTk-000067-Fq; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 15:14:53 -0400 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 22:14:41 +0300 Message-Id: <83sfwr4kpq.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Sat, 23 Oct 2021 11:36:37 -0700) Subject: Re: [External] : Re: bug#30491: 26.0; (elisp) `Profiling' References: > <837ercc4mp.fsf@gnu.org>> <1916c70f-34de-44f4-9c0a-2e3bb7c57a49@default> <83po53bn4u.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30491-done Cc: 30491-done@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 11:36:37 -0700 > Cc: "30491-done@debbugs.gnu.org" <30491-done@debbugs.gnu.org> > > The fact that the bug wasn't closed doesn't tell us much, as bugs are > routinely left open for over a decade around here just because someone > forgot to close it. ;-) That someone didn't forget. Bugs opened by Drew were routinely left open, because Drew used to vociferously oppose their being closed, still does. 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Bugs opened by Drew were routinely left > open, because Drew used to vociferously oppose their being closed, > still does. Nonsense and FUD. And still you persist with the ad hominem... Bugs I've filed get closed all the time, and most closures I express no objection to, including when I think the bug is a bug and should/could be fixed. It's _certainly_ not the case that bugs I filed have been left open simply because I've opposed closing. Objections from me have stopped closure only when someone was convinced of a good reason not to close. What's true is that I've filed a lot of bugs. And you're welcome. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 23 17:13:20 2021 Received: (at 30491-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Oct 2021 21:13:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37495 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1meOKN-0002AN-Uy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 17:13:20 -0400 Received: from mail-pj1-f44.google.com ([209.85.216.44]:37836) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1meOKK-0002A6-16 for 30491-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 17:13:18 -0400 Received: by mail-pj1-f44.google.com with SMTP id t5-20020a17090a4e4500b001a0a284fcc2so8349236pjl.2 for <30491-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 14:13:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=BjKknfxOwomC4DI0q3KWG1hHLoAT4x4fPIP9kIFH2zQ=; b=y0S+4WYvegIfOfV4seTTfVR/plw6+zu41hTzzTBmCj86dPvyypBR2pmp0lKuKpCG70 mvi3YNG3u1idwn6TynhFon4DLfV1NsXvA5S9Y2wjixxPDoLRgEcsZk4C72l1GkpITEnt PBJW5BWYEezbrJdAo95PJw/UfwOsRUzrMDVjZLrmJQkxXlnhqaniBUnODMvShDOBWP3X r7xvP5wvcllme8RZmI/IN4L7j9ZHPM3296icev3/hPrXd1TymWQ7rt+t1BAXo9WCW8PK n7gZqr9VIMm2BwH4C4yPCjzU3O75WREkmYlgawsR1fpnVslIbPxEG35iQZvwctcMr7aP B7jg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532hsynxUluMVc6rAULjUxFVBWw0PMDAzwn507dmbWHZHi5bnWL6 Letcm+chP7WLd3XwqPLhQnJXaHN9HTfhmonV3y0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzdwCMIf7NPhDt52kJMBrfwHda6DWyzzFW35i3WhJQLXy8/sScKq3uDTl9gc6LO1bS2/ON5lukpxBK4ktqTpZk= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:d917:: with SMTP id c23mr2384823pjv.133.1635023590209; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 14:13:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 14:13:09 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <83sfwr4kpq.fsf@gnu.org> References: > <837ercc4mp.fsf@gnu.org>> <1916c70f-34de-44f4-9c0a-2e3bb7c57a49@default> <83po53bn4u.fsf@gnu.org> <83sfwr4kpq.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 14:13:09 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [External] : Re: bug#30491: 26.0; (elisp) `Profiling' To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30491-done Cc: 30491-done@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> The fact that the bug wasn't closed doesn't tell us much, as bugs are >> routinely left open for over a decade around here just because someone >> forgot to close it. ;-) > > That someone didn't forget. Oh, I wasn't trying to single anyone out. I should probably have said "nobody remembered to close it" to more accurately convey my joke (assuming it was at all worth conveying). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Oct 24 01:49:26 2021 Received: (at 30491) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Oct 2021 05:49:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37703 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1meWNq-0000CF-AC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 24 Oct 2021 01:49:26 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:54706) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1meWNo-0000Bz-MW for 30491@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 24 Oct 2021 01:49:25 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:51934) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1meWNi-0000jf-Sj; Sun, 24 Oct 2021 01:49:18 -0400 Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1845 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1meWNi-0006lY-0n; Sun, 24 Oct 2021 01:49:18 -0400 Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 08:49:06 +0300 Message-Id: <83mtmz3rcd.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Sat, 23 Oct 2021 19:38:06 +0000) Subject: Re: [External] : Re: bug#30491: 26.0; (elisp) `Profiling' References: > <837ercc4mp.fsf@gnu.org>> <1916c70f-34de-44f4-9c0a-2e3bb7c57a49@default> <83po53bn4u.fsf@gnu.org> <83sfwr4kpq.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30491 Cc: 30491@debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Drew Adams > CC: "30491-done@debbugs.gnu.org" <30491-done@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 19:38:06 +0000 > > > That someone didn't forget. Bugs opened by Drew were routinely left > > open, because Drew used to vociferously oppose their being closed, > > still does. > > Nonsense and FUD. And still you persist with the ad > hominem... As long as you keep thinking that the problem is with others, not with your own conduct, you shouldn't be surprised that your opinions aren't treated seriously. From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:33:52 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 12:24:09 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator