From unknown Mon Jun 23 02:23:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30347: smtpmail.el doesn't retry with authentication when greylisting is used Resent-From: Rainer Orth Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2018 14:40:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 30347 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 30347@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.151775515922137 (code B ref -1); Sun, 04 Feb 2018 14:40:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Feb 2018 14:39:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56267 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eiLRv-0005kz-FH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Feb 2018 09:39:19 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:33019) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eiLRt-0005kk-Ir for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Feb 2018 09:39:17 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eiLRn-00034J-II for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Feb 2018 09:39:12 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50, RECEIVED_FROM_WINDOWS_HOST autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:44456) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eiLRn-00034E-DI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Feb 2018 09:39:11 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52214) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eiLRm-00033p-9J for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Feb 2018 09:39:11 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eiLRi-0002yo-5w for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Feb 2018 09:39:10 -0500 Received: from smtp.cebitec.uni-bielefeld.de ([129.70.160.84]:51909) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eiLRh-0002yb-Tf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Feb 2018 09:39:06 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost.CeBiTec.Uni-Bielefeld.DE [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.CeBiTec.Uni-Bielefeld.DE (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FC329E2 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 15:01:53 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cebitec.uni-bielefeld.de Received: from smtp.CeBiTec.Uni-Bielefeld.DE ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (malfoy.CeBiTec.Uni-Bielefeld.DE [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id aitglZepjtPz for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 15:01:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from manam.CeBiTec.Uni-Bielefeld.DE (p4FDDB9D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [79.221.185.212]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.CeBiTec.Uni-Bielefeld.DE (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AD4149E1 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 15:01:51 +0100 (CET) From: Rainer Orth Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2018 15:01:30 +0100 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.91 (usg-unix-v) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Windows NT kernel [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain I've long been dealing with the following problem: I'm using GNU Emacs (current 26.0.91, but the problem has existed for a long time before that) and Gnus to send mail. The relaying MTA uses greylisting when receiving mail for local accounts without authentication, but smtpmail.el cannot deal with the resulting temporary SMTP codes. I'd expect that it would retry with authentication, but doesn't. I've used the following snippet to fix this. Perhaps this (or something similar) can be used to fix this issue? Thanks. Rainer -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rainer Orth, Center for Biotechnology, Bielefeld University --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-patch Content-Disposition: inline; filename=smtpmail.el.patch --- - 2018-02-04 01:21:02.374212479 +0000 +++ /tmp/smtpmail.el 2018-02-04 01:20:44.340497887 +0000 @@ -838,8 +838,9 @@ ((and auth-mechanisms (not ask-for-password) (integerp (car result)) - (>= (car result) 550) - (<= (car result) 554)) + (or (and (>= (car result) 550) + (<= (car result) 554)) + (eq (car result) 450))) ;; We got a "550 relay not permitted" (or the like), ;; and the server accepts credentials, so we try ;; again, but ask for a password first. --=-=-=-- From unknown Mon Jun 23 02:23:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30347: smtpmail.el doesn't retry with authentication when greylisting is used Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2018 17:25:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30347 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Rainer Orth Cc: 30347@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 30347-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30347.152381309726698 (code B ref 30347); Sun, 15 Apr 2018 17:25:02 +0000 Received: (at 30347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Apr 2018 17:24:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54403 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f7lOb-0006wY-Fv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 13:24:57 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:37550) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f7lOa-0006wQ-7i for 30347@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 13:24:56 -0400 Received: from 46.67.12.60.tmi.telenormobil.no ([46.67.12.60] helo=corrigan) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f7lOX-0007BU-4z; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 19:24:55 +0200 Received: from larsi by corrigan with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1f7lOQ-00041r-Qx; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 19:24:46 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2018 19:24:46 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Rainer Orth's message of "Sun, 04 Feb 2018 15:01:30 +0100") Message-ID: <878t9o9ych.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Rainer Orth writes: > I've long been dealing with the following problem: I'm using GNU Emacs > (current 26.0.91, but the problem has existed for a long time before > that) and Gnus to send mail. The relaying MTA uses greylisting when > receiving mail for local accounts without authentication, but > smtpmail.el cannot deal with the resulting temporary SMTP codes. I'd > expect that it would retry with authentication, but doesn't. > > I've used the following snippet to fix this. Perhaps this (or something > similar) can be used to fix this issue? Hm... Well, the SMTP error message you're getting is "450, Requested mail action not taken: mailbox unavailable."? Retrying with a password seems a bit odd in that instance. On the other hand, if this is the common way for SMTP servers to say that "we're greylisting; log in first" then it would be OK anyway. But is it? :-) -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Mon Jun 23 02:23:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30347: smtpmail.el doesn't retry with authentication when greylisting is used Resent-From: Robert Pluim Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2018 14:59:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30347 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 30347@debbugs.gnu.org, Rainer Orth Received: via spool by 30347-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30347.152389071020619 (code B ref 30347); Mon, 16 Apr 2018 14:59:02 +0000 Received: (at 30347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Apr 2018 14:58:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56083 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f85aM-0005MR-Gp for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 16 Apr 2018 10:58:30 -0400 Received: from mail-wr0-f172.google.com ([209.85.128.172]:34431) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f85aF-0005Lf-K9 for 30347@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 16 Apr 2018 10:58:23 -0400 Received: by mail-wr0-f172.google.com with SMTP id d19so26937771wre.1 for <30347@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 16 Apr 2018 07:58:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:mail-copies-to:gmane-reply-to-list :date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6dgs/+iUXKwf9m75R6oJO0TFQGaulwNd4o22g6wdCU4=; b=GQI7tJX19E6ag0lMVgIQ1gKqDTIN0VaWw9agXbZhtdDqjeOk8fiWaWcT1W3O37HcIJ KZE1Mnq0h+jiLNggocRSy4Uy9CDroUJrzPMD89+qHGV7saquX+edZG8tlBPSqZ+rERe5 c3Y8cNccvYVk6FL6QludcMD9AFY7QJMA6WKGInMgImpaIMncdvmikghVMPApncVz81md QDplEbZXT68f8qGe9HhIN/vhFvtu/giw9fe+IOVd0DkpBgXYjK9c2Ku4RNm+fwhn1iDZ au4BS7SMGlhCsBuOwq8lB7ygR6KAo23z8boAW7xVhe5xnO7P28//AlToom52EfYMn1eE tzTA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:mail-copies-to :gmane-reply-to-list:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=6dgs/+iUXKwf9m75R6oJO0TFQGaulwNd4o22g6wdCU4=; b=f64Cga1Ax+dQOZJE/HopI9WdpXGZE3jrHYLxbxWoKhxNJXYCNX8UdVtPitK8poBH22 81MS7OCq7tESdnIpNO8dMfrcQWkYVsyus4xNhU9fsw5vPpY8x0f8qrq/1EHh9tslTExJ pd5D+viSQ4rtLsnAG439gPqR9r5NVjHY3Pvi0BK9H4HLLVOE2mk6QlFdbIkobBFfkfq2 MUjD56eLjnPQsrxeZcJl6fHjY/aTbjNbcs0uImn0HYOp8Gg1JaQOMdZZq89waBXvdZnT oU8SgniaG33ns+hS+5z10pR++6biI5NsMBBZvscza78PhYwd55h5ML8XHC4mhOBO2mqe iyRQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tDKyEgBURcFlTAJagiTxIA4lQRVf9XzwZR0b/MgpBIQQabE946W HRiriz0+RbZWvAA9bG/UqNUGpAlM X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx4+JGUwBdeIQeuiHOJxAhE9cpNCclLjl9fx+L+3Je70T7t0dI1N2SxYm70WR6Lhv8M6+PNX6fA== X-Received: by 10.223.145.35 with SMTP id j32mr11118314wrj.106.1523890693075; Mon, 16 Apr 2018 07:58:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rpluim-ubuntu (100.8.30.213.rev.vodafone.pt. [213.30.8.100]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i141sm12135765wmd.6.2018.04.16.07.58.11 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 16 Apr 2018 07:58:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Pluim References: <878t9o9ych.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> Mail-Copies-To: never Gmane-Reply-To-List: yes Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2018 16:58:06 +0200 In-Reply-To: <878t9o9ych.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 15 Apr 2018 19:24:46 +0200") Message-ID: <87efjfkxkx.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Rainer Orth writes: > >> I've long been dealing with the following problem: I'm using GNU Emacs >> (current 26.0.91, but the problem has existed for a long time before >> that) and Gnus to send mail. The relaying MTA uses greylisting when >> receiving mail for local accounts without authentication, but >> smtpmail.el cannot deal with the resulting temporary SMTP codes. I'd >> expect that it would retry with authentication, but doesn't. >> >> I've used the following snippet to fix this. Perhaps this (or something >> similar) can be used to fix this issue? > > Hm... Well, the SMTP error message you're getting is "450, Requested > mail action not taken: mailbox unavailable."? Retrying with a password > seems a bit odd in that instance. On the other hand, if this is the > common way for SMTP servers to say that "we're greylisting; log in > first" then it would be OK anyway. > > But is it? :-) It=CA=BCs one of the ways. Some return 451 instead. Some 421. It=CA=BCs all= very fuzzy :-) Oh, and there=CA=BCs an official 'authentication is required' code whose value escapes me for the moment. BTW, if emacs has credentials for the connection it=CA=BCs making, would it not make sense to attempt authentication before delivery? Robert From unknown Mon Jun 23 02:23:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30347: smtpmail.el doesn't retry with authentication when greylisting is used Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2018 18:47:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30347 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Rainer Orth Cc: 30347@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 30347-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30347.152390437724685 (code B ref 30347); Mon, 16 Apr 2018 18:47:02 +0000 Received: (at 30347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Apr 2018 18:46:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56218 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f898r-0006Q4-7m for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 16 Apr 2018 14:46:17 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:44926) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f898o-0006Pv-FZ for 30347@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 16 Apr 2018 14:46:15 -0400 Received: from 46.67.12.60.tmi.telenormobil.no ([46.67.12.60] helo=corrigan) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f898k-0000el-9y; Mon, 16 Apr 2018 20:46:12 +0200 Received: from larsi by corrigan with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1f898W-0007g0-NR; Mon, 16 Apr 2018 20:45:56 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <878t9o9ych.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87efjfkxkx.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2018 20:45:56 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87efjfkxkx.fsf@gmail.com> (Robert Pluim's message of "Mon, 16 Apr 2018 16:58:06 +0200") Message-ID: <8736zvyopn.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Robert Pluim writes: > It=CA=BCs one of the ways. Some return 451 instead. Some 421. It=CA=BCs a= ll very > fuzzy :-) > > Oh, and there=CA=BCs an official 'authentication is required' code whose > value escapes me for the moment. Yeah, smtpmail just uses the "relay not permitted" codes to guess that it's supposed to try again, which aren't exactly official, either. So adding 450/451/421, too, probably won't break anything. > BTW, if emacs has credentials for the connection it=CA=BCs making, would = it > not make sense to attempt authentication before delivery? You'd think so... But this might lead to some annoyances in that people have password-protected their password store, and will now be prompted for that password even if the SMTP server doesn't require a password. If you see what I mean. :-) So I'm not sure that change would be welcomed by everybody. --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Mon Jun 23 02:23:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30347: smtpmail.el doesn't retry with authentication when greylisting is used Resent-From: Robert Pluim Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 10:34:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30347 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 30347@debbugs.gnu.org, Rainer Orth Received: via spool by 30347-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30347.152396122632230 (code B ref 30347); Tue, 17 Apr 2018 10:34:02 +0000 Received: (at 30347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Apr 2018 10:33:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56744 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f8Nvi-0008Ni-Uv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 06:33:46 -0400 Received: from mail-wr0-f181.google.com ([209.85.128.181]:39999) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f8Nvd-0008NS-DG for 30347@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 06:33:41 -0400 Received: by mail-wr0-f181.google.com with SMTP id v60so30166296wrc.7 for <30347@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 03:33:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:mail-copies-to:gmane-reply-to-list :date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ly2+AcmTTOeicHH7C/mqKLFUTJbhxz8qEWz3nGYzA0M=; b=W4+0lSkp+jb61A7/muuBuyu4k17ldDUGzsWJGbxrcP5X5V3N6s3vKcKylAT2jlw12n fuqNUnIPBtzL+j+7Sb4IbZKyFs6NXqCgWv7Y6fwuA/ATYhXwNc2lS+M6uPm5i4LwGqra 6HkqnkraAwAtJH4Lr91cKy6TaldaX3/SesSb4yNhcIHIFyKZV13Nh4RTTT3qq99XpfFe Hop+cJ6vqHYY3u5jIiUO/I2KoKLvD/g26TXhBv/Gqr03rYd2K/KT+QljBsj3M+oJkfHX RL8AD2jdOlQGBj5P8bsda0cWULy17vgjmZ7DmqITIe6K1KuwLjZFNSkb7VpoWZKh4AeA ACcg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:mail-copies-to :gmane-reply-to-list:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ly2+AcmTTOeicHH7C/mqKLFUTJbhxz8qEWz3nGYzA0M=; b=b8c0ViuctjUpRMoTKKiEFhWY/dSuac1noT0H65rJe/vROqEDRve9NkhgVz+fg3boZ+ NJR5fbU0IDOgVA7h6fPY10rbbv3mO5ixCbz9ab7wX/BmBmgljhi+S3Nx6Bey7gzz8nqw qh0yBMnhJVpwtjwac6vRUwr5/8Og1Fz4wm6TLYVuNsbQIX4EW5jMn/4P9f+2Gm7LNEM/ XRPgMwyaKf8WsZbLtdl91BxIzFR/OPPM8ZBsb8AbiUEkTwq3AfgGT/0hTPqPj9Yq4NG8 vI4MWhyUrQLkhKr7gA3W4LlW0ncNyhVVXDkc3pX698uo+j9WIebqpphSWeo090b/X48t CXKQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tBQLGEYkUi6XPJy6xdttLrCzYK1IfsHVSwj9xdg55QiJzrL/uJS xXODdQ5Is7ALRHYcvBNSHsh8MByfylM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx482A5kHXTYSh/Kn7FBi7tQFw+cSw1wtbM7ewUwXBeYLgI0kA+/wJPfc5FAAQc+5bk54sy6R3w== X-Received: by 10.28.93.1 with SMTP id r1mr629303wmb.2.1523961211090; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 03:33:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rpluim-ubuntu (100.8.30.213.rev.vodafone.pt. [213.30.8.100]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k30sm10562308wrf.1.2018.04.17.03.33.29 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 17 Apr 2018 03:33:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Pluim References: <878t9o9ych.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87efjfkxkx.fsf@gmail.com> <8736zvyopn.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> Mail-Copies-To: never Gmane-Reply-To-List: yes Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 12:33:25 +0200 In-Reply-To: <8736zvyopn.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 16 Apr 2018 20:45:56 +0200") Message-ID: <87r2nejf62.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Robert Pluim writes: > >> It=CA=BCs one of the ways. Some return 451 instead. Some 421. It=CA=BCs = all very >> fuzzy :-) >> >> Oh, and there=CA=BCs an official 'authentication is required' code whose >> value escapes me for the moment. > > Yeah, smtpmail just uses the "relay not permitted" codes to guess that > it's supposed to try again, which aren't exactly official, either. So > adding 450/451/421, too, probably won't break anything. > OK >> BTW, if emacs has credentials for the connection it=CA=BCs making, would= it >> not make sense to attempt authentication before delivery? > > You'd think so... But this might lead to some annoyances in that people > have password-protected their password store, and will now be prompted > for that password even if the SMTP server doesn't require a password. > > If you see what I mean. :-) > I=CA=BCm not sure I follow: the user has a matching machine in authinfo or wherever they keep their passwords, and the SMTP server advertizes AUTH support. Why would we not attempt authentication? > So I'm not sure that change would be welcomed by everybody. That=CA=BCs true. What we have now works for me :-) From unknown Mon Jun 23 02:23:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30347: smtpmail.el doesn't retry with authentication when greylisting is used Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 12:46:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30347 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Rainer Orth Cc: 30347@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 30347-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30347.152396915927055 (code B ref 30347); Tue, 17 Apr 2018 12:46:02 +0000 Received: (at 30347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Apr 2018 12:45:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56833 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f8Pzi-00072I-Rm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 08:45:59 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:46995) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f8Pzg-000729-W7 for 30347@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 08:45:57 -0400 Received: from 46.67.12.60.tmi.telenormobil.no ([46.67.12.60] helo=corrigan) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f8Pzc-0001wW-Lk; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 14:45:55 +0200 Received: from larsi by corrigan with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1f8PzW-0000eO-Mh; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 14:45:46 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <878t9o9ych.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87efjfkxkx.fsf@gmail.com> <8736zvyopn.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87r2nejf62.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 14:45:46 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87r2nejf62.fsf@gmail.com> (Robert Pluim's message of "Tue, 17 Apr 2018 12:33:25 +0200") Message-ID: <87fu3urog5.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Robert Pluim writes: > I=CA=BCm not sure I follow: the user has a matching machine in authinfo or > wherever they keep their passwords, and the SMTP server advertizes > AUTH support. Why would we not attempt authentication? Because Emacs doesn't know that the user has a password entry in ~/.authinfo.gpg until the user has type the password. (If the user is using password-protected ~/.authinfo files without a password agent, that is.) Since most SMTP is still unauthorised, "opportunistic" password sending may not be welcome. --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Mon Jun 23 02:23:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30347: smtpmail.el doesn't retry with authentication when greylisting is used Resent-From: Robert Pluim Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 16:15:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30347 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 30347@debbugs.gnu.org, Rainer Orth Received: via spool by 30347-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30347.152398168014230 (code B ref 30347); Tue, 17 Apr 2018 16:15:02 +0000 Received: (at 30347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Apr 2018 16:14:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57700 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f8TFc-0003hP-JR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 12:14:40 -0400 Received: from mail-wr0-f173.google.com ([209.85.128.173]:37012) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f8TFY-0003h9-0u for 30347@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 12:14:36 -0400 Received: by mail-wr0-f173.google.com with SMTP id l49so37095974wrl.4 for <30347@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 09:14:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:mail-copies-to:gmane-reply-to-list :date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Vm2kYJxtDBkXpfSzs2u6bqkT9kgMPeZSL7ATNH6cMIo=; b=Kt8O+kmdCOrrSxt1R5l2RRW6qPNAj1u2aOwui2qkTysqBJYQ0TgNleMZntyY6aAr/j wkon1CCv3keX5LPkD41lLpMI6UgNtvvb64p4sVCi5mZOC4rbTubrRQ6q+S/n9cBrVoHC n6/1OebxpQGuTzgVzrdGeGNIMPtizYhLSq12b0KtQSIOmlrbu9kGc35zxn3CNTOKiZxA vhsl+G9QaUqIYaMPyw1OnJlg8Iy49Rt5TCHqyTxju8cBkg+3F6Y0R0YdqfrAhaP1+gKE Vn8UghrpbHBH6HAVhneorXcDESri5vG+d4p99Oyekkgm7enp7jbApSoT2pJbnonRLIXd /90w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:mail-copies-to :gmane-reply-to-list:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Vm2kYJxtDBkXpfSzs2u6bqkT9kgMPeZSL7ATNH6cMIo=; b=aHkZ1Bt6d0QrhTn9MCzI4D5FHQ4Gf0yqJwb8gHfGxBgOtuWglKzx7JD6ay32Ke7yfF 7TA9I0ROmbNYhlEAfjBJBdKTC/v9vNQ99mWBBUHah2TjW0Pw96551NR0dj+ldY8pHWTK QcprfUul/vIX45Wnw9DniC0vcI+r7CYobGPRmEfPb0nwtKXT9yBGpFkgbqiEhS/yWfLZ fW2mX+SKyVuf7KWkDDkOP8Mkey0GdI8wX50Eei4ERSkNOlmLDlcXXvOE5SlQU9dA/yQi qeM6BEwcux+bATazVR0TOOPlSWzmn7wV39jCsc45OfHRivQZ7gmswstrRkSHvxrD4HBh J90Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tATDW6vlc6M5hiWdbQVNVXGgVs4zBtipSoOIgyMz+f/pzyGlEaA ZXbl8Bz/zsvuqKviLj+9BJIDp59Q X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx4+7Wf5TIzIvgR6bShzKUdnf8Gte+/Tli8Z2ET0KTazH36qAxKYNWa9QKDi+RggkLiRO7IJ1Qg== X-Received: by 10.28.161.4 with SMTP id k4mr1536826wme.106.1523981665685; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 09:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rpluim-ubuntu (100.8.30.213.rev.vodafone.pt. [213.30.8.100]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d18sm11735175wre.5.2018.04.17.09.14.24 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 17 Apr 2018 09:14:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Pluim References: <878t9o9ych.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87efjfkxkx.fsf@gmail.com> <8736zvyopn.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87r2nejf62.fsf@gmail.com> <87fu3urog5.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> Mail-Copies-To: never Gmane-Reply-To-List: yes Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 18:14:19 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87fu3urog5.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 17 Apr 2018 14:45:46 +0200") Message-ID: <87muy13j50.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Robert Pluim writes: > >> I=CA=BCm not sure I follow: the user has a matching machine in authinfo = or >> wherever they keep their passwords, and the SMTP server advertizes >> AUTH support. Why would we not attempt authentication? > > Because Emacs doesn't know that the user has a password entry in > ~/.authinfo.gpg until the user has type the password. (If the user is > using password-protected ~/.authinfo files without a password agent, > that is.) > Ah, people who like typing passwords all the time. I see your point, though. > Since most SMTP is still unauthorised, "opportunistic" password sending > may not be welcome. True, unfortunately, much like SMTP/TLS is sadly underused. From unknown Mon Jun 23 02:23:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30347: smtpmail.el doesn't retry with authentication when greylisting is used Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2020 20:50:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30347 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 30347@debbugs.gnu.org, Rainer Orth Received: via spool by 30347-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30347.159951177829545 (code B ref 30347); Mon, 07 Sep 2020 20:50:01 +0000 Received: (at 30347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Sep 2020 20:49:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51039 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFO53-0007gT-Uv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 16:49:38 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:33382) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFO52-0007gE-By for 30347@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 16:49:36 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=o6h2pzrlMCott3AtKUce9Iy8R9px5h7QUTk6ojsj5Qg=; b=gAcmkuVpRCr+RStwN2N8g/kXmd 5NxP00p5Pu6kHF//6XHsEePrIGYJ2DUW/ciyeobCp8Urd2JZuelW/PiBe6/QG9dyRiXS8WzdPUth8 YN+/k+Z73P4JLdPbTCDYlp72D/ahgR0+hA16wnMWz6PgioRH+qVuJYDAZbaMTZIQQicg=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kFO4s-0003Tr-7X; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 22:49:29 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <878t9o9ych.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87efjfkxkx.fsf@gmail.com> <8736zvyopn.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87r2nejf62.fsf@gmail.com> <87fu3urog5.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87muy13j50.fsf@gmail.com> X-Now-Playing: Drew McDowall's _The Third Helix_: "Nothing Is Hidden" Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2020 22:49:24 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87muy13j50.fsf@gmail.com> (Robert Pluim's message of "Tue, 17 Apr 2018 18:14:19 +0200") Message-ID: <87k0x59usr.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Robert Pluim writes: >> Because Emacs doesn't know that the user has a password entry in >> ~/.authinfo.gpg until the user has type the password. (If the user is >> using password-protected ~/.authinfo files without a pas [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Robert Pluim writes: >> Because Emacs doesn't know that the user has a password entry in >> ~/.authinfo.gpg until the user has type the password. (If the user is >> using password-protected ~/.authinfo files without a password agent, >> that is.) > > Ah, people who like typing passwords all the time. I see your point, though. So I think this isn't something we should try to automate -- the user will just have to specify that the SMTP connection uses a password. (I think that's pretty common for mail user agents.) So I'm closing this bug report as a "wontfix". -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 07 16:49:43 2020 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Sep 2020 20:49:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51042 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFO59-0007gl-6f for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 16:49:43 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:33394) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFO57-0007gL-LT for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 16:49:41 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Subject:From:To:Message-Id:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=5dVgZ5owu5ZwYp82hAfYyDSuLvY0sV9I4J/R+1BHXeQ=; b=KPWP98Tq1xF/V5o/EnL5A5sY/f i5QZxH2FLRHcMIdl8VH9B3YRr0UnCB3UFoTij6Jj8Tsoz1Kzp2JE4eoMpFsUn4CZ6m12XbEZSPkz/ 7G+6l57t95MKyxdEb4MyJqRdFExgmSYJgQcAy8h2Gq2j6jP5kUhHJvDVGTdlep/okCvI=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kFO4z-0003U0-TH for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 22:49:36 +0200 Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2020 22:49:32 +0200 Message-Id: <87imcp9usj.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #30347 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: tags 30347 wontfix close 30347 quit Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) tags 30347 wontfix close 30347 quit From unknown Mon Jun 23 02:23:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30347: smtpmail.el doesn't retry with authentication when greylisting is used Resent-From: Robert Pluim Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 10:00:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30347 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 30347@debbugs.gnu.org, Rainer Orth Received: via spool by 30347-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30347.159955917225028 (code B ref 30347); Tue, 08 Sep 2020 10:00:02 +0000 Received: (at 30347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Sep 2020 09:59:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52007 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFaPT-0006Vc-Uj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 05:59:32 -0400 Received: from mail-wr1-f48.google.com ([209.85.221.48]:41074) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFaPS-0006VP-1i for 30347@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 05:59:30 -0400 Received: by mail-wr1-f48.google.com with SMTP id w5so18427742wrp.8 for <30347@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 02:59:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zHKO3yu7muH+ulHYowgK8Sp/Q5zF2uqe7UOa/tKbNOo=; b=Nd/JcbXGHHu2QHMdz8IXTS3uQOdaR1GiykyF6Favc6CsopnRFrxJG1tsYLMtxFay8I VuS4n5tenr8Ch3JBklRAuw4+LrJk4P6HyH6hhMW+xuWGfCIVav8SqtlQtS/EOJQrGak4 SFFbuz3WmAYtuBh9yWK/S8uxjE1FUbYAtySIdqx4UplrskHHF8/vBVsvKhbn0GmPkU+u uZddGWoMQZBJhNpZk5w5ReeEGagEap+uDTt15dFA4O2XhY5fyRsS2KapQMdQMpbm92Go NdMoBnjRqrObPvf14PkQcI77jrc1cJk916H4HSOM2O5ehgGSdbyn4CHdkuSY7hxz5R33 Q2gA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zHKO3yu7muH+ulHYowgK8Sp/Q5zF2uqe7UOa/tKbNOo=; b=XiNwryEOKjnj02EAwzZbCTk9NP60+Jj4glGuA59hcpPzj6ppQkDlgzeZ1weEkv7W1q whzjbdmrhvgzQFSOA4gEB1nP2uYSrkdZ1yItjttERY0jKW8T4H6jmxBJWwprFyn3O8w/ 3bJmqoctSSTajz7hb0DoANdxSi/mMH2GgkE/vYvH+88IFkkbgd1YgmeZ7/x1cbKAUJZJ pTyC4xbeHSNmEc33EOtwu/kNMPI87xSLFEjcuTVn3nLCmoskKPXlvumJR3j6fn+82AEA XE9nBaxW//s4QIHQGY6AgR43hsCQtoPiaG+M2eIWEiT54JsUKurzLKaDp1crNLcWflpP itfg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530skR7vPJm2KxHZ6rGSHMhoF8YfBsm//lcEmYfhJHxkj5udxhXE bTfyEikyzkbTkB/FAq5LKl0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwhy8R5snC33sbquL+ijbKEgbMxWCUMOPmeEaV4/dm1uR4klp/Gc3d2niOSHVVC4LkVH1Q5HA== X-Received: by 2002:adf:fd90:: with SMTP id d16mr25767347wrr.52.1599559163973; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 02:59:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rpluim-mac ([2a01:e34:ecfc:a860:d0f7:b506:b95d:6344]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i26sm33247960wmb.17.2020.09.08.02.59.22 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 08 Sep 2020 02:59:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Pluim References: <878t9o9ych.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87efjfkxkx.fsf@gmail.com> <8736zvyopn.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87r2nejf62.fsf@gmail.com> <87fu3urog5.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87muy13j50.fsf@gmail.com> <87k0x59usr.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 11:59:21 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87k0x59usr.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 07 Sep 2020 22:49:24 +0200") Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> On Mon, 07 Sep 2020 22:49:24 +0200, Lars Ingebrigtsen said: Lars> Robert Pluim writes: >>> Because Emacs doesn't know that the user has a password entry in >>> ~/.authinfo.gpg until the user has type the password. (If the user= is >>> using password-protected ~/.authinfo files without a password agent, >>> that is.) >>=20 >> Ah, people who like typing passwords all the time. I see your point,= though. Lars> So I think this isn't something we should try to automate -- the = user Lars> will just have to specify that the SMTP connection uses a passwor= d. (I Lars> think that's pretty common for mail user agents.) So I'm closing= this Lars> bug report as a "wontfix". Didn=CA=BCt some bloke add smtpmail-servers-requiring-authorization just for this kind of use-case? Robert From unknown Mon Jun 23 02:23:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30347: smtpmail.el doesn't retry with authentication when greylisting is used Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 10:03:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30347 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: Robert Pluim Cc: 30347@debbugs.gnu.org, Rainer Orth Received: via spool by 30347-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30347.1599559355887 (code B ref 30347); Tue, 08 Sep 2020 10:03:02 +0000 Received: (at 30347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Sep 2020 10:02:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52031 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFaSR-0000Dv-0b for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 06:02:35 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:39580) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFaSP-00008R-FF for 30347@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 06:02:34 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID :In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Vj20lQVBm7kmxP48RhrYD4k0aKgP7brLzRvAryww52Y=; b=lEncq4ZvBOKFg6tVyNXO/+IY75 cPGUQN0yy/a/+4jt8jr7aCwCjqGFNa3XOqglK4BUc2j9ALA1OltmwIK8CR63jilSJNOYPV6hAUu4T vO5ios6P1Lr5X+ifvajWYe7gKFsTM34hAMVwBCAin6U3J9j5V4NTKd+6az57pUN7FaZc=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kFaSF-0001sd-U0; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 12:02:27 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <878t9o9ych.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87efjfkxkx.fsf@gmail.com> <8736zvyopn.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87r2nejf62.fsf@gmail.com> <87fu3urog5.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87muy13j50.fsf@gmail.com> <87k0x59usr.fsf@gnus.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAElBMVEX3sTnAYxLp2KFd PBv69+D///9kZhvsAAAAAWJLR0QF+G/pxwAAAAd0SU1FB+QJCAoAOds3tHQAAAG6SURBVDjLdZTr keQwCIQlrQMQ5wQ0DAl4nMCWlvxj2m4kax53px+uMp9pQcNMSlXjpMJnK/PtK+GoedcEkl7PeVR+ PN+y1AVIUptvIvIEQbK8g0JwHiL7GSIfIA5D+V1qnIMxOf8D8r8y9mOGSnsDQCNS9G+gEeczv4HN EdMJoodZsLk3ZkBKUk2LSJh5AdqEtgiqey50O0B8UCNJLuMDsLSKxqYp18EdIhX1D7CGgaqgv3UA +QKQXEN+gOIoP0sDOHJaI66IBzAYiJFVdVaVE5oiSGJNaOPmPspdYGt5h66qcWVWRkYJY7DlBXQk S+mN9daivXA3CKyzTf9OzFDtHPGQYiPVGajFeDnKmAAraE5cOoTzuTLQAkxP6Jxz2ifQhrUBAKn0 A8ZBqrsqF43AEz3JSJAoIoCgZ2/Q4myEAPYs4OgFzoxN3aXwtQagO20uvwwwMi4Yd8EFahV/JeP4 B1jE2gX6IsGsB4BN2q0bcWwXjLsBdNX7Qx8/N/y+PYWc+XeAO3q73c8/SsApBdi6YREghkwDcFNK HVcfnX8UATim9mxQz8fjPgF8ewJTKC4gHw3iclsg6Sv4BcIggr7UaWxqAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOmNy ZWF0ZQAyMDIwLTA5LTA4VDEwOjAwOjU3KzAwOjAwsYS1/AAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2RpZnkAMjAy MC0wOS0wOFQxMDowMDo1NyswMDowMMDZDUAAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Sleaford Mods's _Eton Alive_: "Into the Payzone" Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 12:02:22 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Robert Pluim's message of "Tue, 08 Sep 2020 11:59:21 +0200") Message-ID: <87tuw860y9.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: Robert Pluim writes: > =?UTF-8?Q?Didn=CA=BCt?= some bloke add smtpmail-servers-requiring-authorization just > for this kind of use-case? http://www.quickmeme.com/img/0d/0d00166e7e67eeeb51eab67da8be3a0a0fdad3579811b4b8b0430c13b045d440.jpg Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Robert Pluim writes: > Didn=CA=BCt some bloke add smtpmail-servers-requiring-authorization just > for this kind of use-case? http://www.quickmeme.com/img/0d/0d00166e7e67eeeb51eab67da8be3a0a0fdad357981= 1b4b8b0430c13b045d440.jpg --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no