From unknown Mon Aug 11 19:03:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30080: 24.5; write-region can reset idle time Resent-From: Cecil Westerhof Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 21:02:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 30080 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 30080@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.151570448132350 (code B ref -1); Thu, 11 Jan 2018 21:02:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jan 2018 21:01:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52528 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eZjyS-0008Pi-Mb for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 16:01:20 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:41728) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eZjyO-0008PU-Nn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 16:01:19 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eZjyD-0005QO-Sv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 16:01:11 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:40091) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eZjyD-0005QG-QM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 16:01:05 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60889) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eZjy9-0001AT-Fv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 16:01:05 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eZjy4-0005KI-Ll for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 16:01:01 -0500 Received: from relay01.kovoks.nl ([176.9.21.13]:59670) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eZjy4-0005Hp-Fh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 16:00:56 -0500 Received: from cloud01.kovoks.nl ([91.230.245.58]) by relay01.kovoks.nl with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1eZjy0-0005VF-Op for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 22:00:53 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cloud01.kovoks.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 883F1132002 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 22:00:52 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at cloud01.kovoks.nl Received: from cloud01.kovoks.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (cloud01.kovoks.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 7tQmN8x3Z6dJ for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 22:00:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from MailServer.decebal.nl (203-114-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl [83.128.114.203]) (Authenticated sender: send@decebal.nl) by cloud01.kovoks.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 406FE132001 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 22:00:52 +0100 (CET) Received: by MailServer.decebal.nl (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E88E28CA1C; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 22:00:51 +0100 (CET) From: Cecil Westerhof Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 22:00:51 +0100 Message-ID: <87fu7cnm9o.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) It is possible that write-region resets idle time. As soon as I use one or both of the following in my .emacs: (desktop-save-mode 1) (global-auto-revert-mode 1) The idle time is reset when calling write-region. To reproduce put one or both into .emacs. Define the following function: (defun write-region-problem () (message (format "Before: %s %s" (current-time) (current-idle-time))) (write-region "Just a test\n" nil "~/problem.log" t 0) (message (format "After: %s %s" (current-time) (current-idle-time))) ) And execute: (setq timer-object (run-with-timer 30 30 'write-region-problem)) You then get output like the following: Before: (23127 39977 941713 503000) (0 29 994274 462000) After: (23127 39977 982179 647000) (0 30 34741 483000) Before: (23127 40007 940217 421000) (0 29 946739 305000) After: (23127 40007 981669 405000) (0 29 988192 219000) Before: (23127 40037 941670 105000) (0 29 944688 557000) After: (23127 40037 991646 30000) (0 29 994665 603000) Before: (23127 40067 941685 17000) (0 29 938036 13000) After: (23127 40067 992876 336000) (0 29 989228 329000) Before: (23127 40097 939595 311000) (0 29 936576 788000) After: (23127 40097 977542 689000) (0 29 974525 333000) If both are not defined, you get output like: Before: (23127 47206 936031 250000) (0 24 841129 146000) After: (23127 47206 937987 23000) (0 24 843085 910000) Before: (23127 47236 936555 313000) (0 54 841653 459000) After: (23127 47236 938648 51000) (0 54 843747 333000) Before: (23127 47266 935235 63000) (0 84 840333 256000) After: (23127 47266 937094 166000) (0 84 842192 826000) Before: (23127 47296 936545 234000) (0 114 841643 122000) After: (23127 47296 938517 313000) (0 114 843616 494000) Before 19 December I did not have this problem. So it is recently introduced. My version of Emacs: GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.22.11) of 2017-09-12 on hullmann, modified by Debian -- Cecil Westerhof Senior Software Engineer M Cecil@Decebal.nl LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/cecilwesterhof From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 11 16:30:33 2018 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jan 2018 21:30:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52548 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eZkQi-0001Al-Px for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 16:30:32 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56376) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eZkQg-00011s-1Y for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 16:30:30 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eZkQZ-0006GT-2s for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 16:30:24 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:56326) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eZkQY-0006GE-R4 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 16:30:23 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eZkQY-0000xO-Ld for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 16:30:22 -0500 Subject: control message for bug 30080 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.99.98) Message-Id: From: Glenn Morris Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 16:30:22 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) forwarded 30080 http://lists.gnu.org/r/help-gnu-emacs/2018-01/msg00143.html From unknown Mon Aug 11 19:03:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30080: 24.5; write-region can reset idle time Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 23:50:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30080 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Cecil Westerhof Cc: 30080@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 30080-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30080.15157145574501 (code B ref 30080); Thu, 11 Jan 2018 23:50:01 +0000 Received: (at 30080) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jan 2018 23:49:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52695 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eZmay-0001AW-Qf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 18:49:16 -0500 Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]:58471) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eZmaw-0001AO-Gp for 30080@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 18:49:15 -0500 Received: from pastel.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.7/8.14.1) with ESMTP id w0BNnC5u030623; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 18:49:13 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id B77376080A; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 18:49:12 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: <87fu7cnm9o.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 18:49:12 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87fu7cnm9o.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> (Cecil Westerhof's message of "Thu, 11 Jan 2018 22:00:51 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 2 Rules triggered EDT_SA_DN_PASS=0, RV6198=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9418 : core <6198> : inlines <6307> : streams <1775791> : uri <2568356> X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) > (global-auto-revert-mode 1) Ha, I think you have your culprit right there: my crystal ball says that if you have auto-revert active on the file you modify with `write-region` (or maybe even just a file in the same directory) any modification to the file (e.g. via `write-region`) will send a pseudo-event, which Emacs's command-loop will confuse for an actual user event! Stefan From unknown Mon Aug 11 19:03:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30080: 24.5; write-region can reset idle time Resent-From: Cecil Westerhof Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 01:38:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30080 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Monnier Cc: 30080@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 30080-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30080.151572102313921 (code B ref 30080); Fri, 12 Jan 2018 01:38:02 +0000 Received: (at 30080) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jan 2018 01:37:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52737 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eZoHG-0003cT-Kk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 20:37:02 -0500 Received: from relay01.kovoks.nl ([176.9.21.13]:36938) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eZoHF-0003bz-Hf for 30080@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 20:37:02 -0500 Received: from cloud01.kovoks.nl ([91.230.245.58]) by relay01.kovoks.nl with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1eZoH8-00068b-HU; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 02:36:54 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cloud01.kovoks.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 475C2132001; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 02:36:54 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at cloud01.kovoks.nl Received: from cloud01.kovoks.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (cloud01.kovoks.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id vhNBsQ-ONmO7; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 02:36:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from MailServer.decebal.nl (203-114-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl [83.128.114.203]) (Authenticated sender: send@decebal.nl) by cloud01.kovoks.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 59D7D16858; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 02:36:53 +0100 (CET) Received: by MailServer.decebal.nl (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0D94E8C9AC; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 02:36:53 +0100 (CET) From: Cecil Westerhof Organization: Decebal Computing References: <87fu7cnm9o.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 02:36:52 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Thu, 11 Jan 2018 18:49:12 -0500") Message-ID: <87efmv97t7.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Stefan Monnier writes: >> (global-auto-revert-mode 1) > > Ha, I think you have your culprit right there: my crystal ball says that > if you have auto-revert active on the file you modify with > `write-region` (or maybe even just a file in the same directory) any > modification to the file (e.g. via `write-region`) will send > a pseudo-event, which Emacs's command-loop will confuse for an actual > user event! The problem being that until the 19th of December it worked without a problem. I did not change my .emacs. Also (desktop-save-mode 1) has the same effect. When I do not have (global-auto-revert-mode 1), but I do have (desktop-save-mode 1), then also write-region will reset idle time. It is even more funny: when I play a video with mpv, idle time is also reset. And this I find really odd. -- Cecil Westerhof Senior Software Engineer M Cecil@Decebal.nl LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/cecilwesterhof From unknown Mon Aug 11 19:03:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30080: 24.5; write-region can reset idle time Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 09:12:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30080 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Cecil Westerhof Cc: 30080@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 30080-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30080.151574830622024 (code B ref 30080); Fri, 12 Jan 2018 09:12:02 +0000 Received: (at 30080) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jan 2018 09:11:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52853 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eZvNK-0005jA-9R for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 04:11:46 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:57137) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eZvNI-0005ix-Hu for 30080@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 04:11:44 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eZvN9-00034z-BL for 30080@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 04:11:39 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:37271) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eZvN9-00034l-83; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 04:11:35 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3666 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eZvN8-0007WL-Mn; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 04:11:35 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 11:11:13 +0200 Message-Id: <83r2qv30i6.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <87efmv97t7.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> (message from Cecil Westerhof on Fri, 12 Jan 2018 02:36:52 +0100) References: <87fu7cnm9o.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> <87efmv97t7.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Cecil Westerhof > Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 02:36:52 +0100 > Cc: 30080@debbugs.gnu.org > > Also (desktop-save-mode 1) has the same effect. When I do not have > (global-auto-revert-mode 1), but I do have (desktop-save-mode 1), then > also write-region will reset idle time. desktop-save-mode writes the desktop file from time to time, and it uses an idle timer, so I think this explains that. From unknown Mon Aug 11 19:03:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30080: 24.5; write-region can reset idle time Resent-From: Cecil Westerhof Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 10:37:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30080 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 30080@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA Received: via spool by 30080-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30080.151575338629640 (code B ref 30080); Fri, 12 Jan 2018 10:37:02 +0000 Received: (at 30080) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jan 2018 10:36:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52914 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eZwhG-0007i0-JJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 05:36:26 -0500 Received: from relay01.kovoks.nl ([176.9.21.13]:41655) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eZwhE-0007hm-Sm for 30080@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 05:36:25 -0500 Received: from cloud01.kovoks.nl ([91.230.245.58]) by relay01.kovoks.nl with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1eZwh7-0008HQ-G7; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 11:36:17 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cloud01.kovoks.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43C62132002; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 11:36:17 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at cloud01.kovoks.nl Received: from cloud01.kovoks.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (cloud01.kovoks.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id FuYJxxD5Jlbj; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 11:36:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from MailServer.decebal.nl (203-114-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl [83.128.114.203]) (Authenticated sender: send@decebal.nl) by cloud01.kovoks.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5330B132001; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 11:36:16 +0100 (CET) Received: by MailServer.decebal.nl (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BD61582821; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 11:36:15 +0100 (CET) From: Cecil Westerhof Organization: Decebal Computing References: <87fu7cnm9o.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> <87efmv97t7.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> <83r2qv30i6.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 11:36:15 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83r2qv30i6.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 12 Jan 2018 11:11:13 +0200") Message-ID: <874lnr8iu8.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Cecil Westerhof >> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 02:36:52 +0100 >> Cc: 30080@debbugs.gnu.org >> >> Also (desktop-save-mode 1) has the same effect. When I do not have >> (global-auto-revert-mode 1), but I do have (desktop-save-mode 1), then >> also write-region will reset idle time. > > desktop-save-mode writes the desktop file from time to time, and it > uses an idle timer, so I think this explains that. I have two problems with that: - I do not think that it is done every minute, or less. And the reset is done on the moment of the write-region of my command. So does not directly relate to the writing of the desktop file. - Before 19 December I did not have this behaviour. So it started after an update. It did not work like this for more as five years, but started the 19th of December 2017. -- Cecil Westerhof Senior Software Engineer M Cecil@Decebal.nl LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/cecilwesterhof From unknown Mon Aug 11 19:03:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30080: 24.5; write-region can reset idle time Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 13:55:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30080 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Cecil Westerhof Cc: 30080@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 30080-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30080.151576526225906 (code B ref 30080); Fri, 12 Jan 2018 13:55:01 +0000 Received: (at 30080) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jan 2018 13:54:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53017 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eZzmo-0006jm-HJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 08:54:22 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56563) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eZzmm-0006jW-1f for 30080@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 08:54:21 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eZzmd-000116-PF for 30080@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 08:54:15 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:52546) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eZzmd-00010w-LX; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 08:54:11 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3797 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eZzmc-0002o1-S2; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 08:54:11 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 15:53:47 +0200 Message-Id: <83d12f2nf8.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <874lnr8iu8.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> (message from Cecil Westerhof on Fri, 12 Jan 2018 11:36:15 +0100) References: <87fu7cnm9o.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> <87efmv97t7.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> <83r2qv30i6.fsf@gnu.org> <874lnr8iu8.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Cecil Westerhof > Cc: monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA, 30080@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 11:36:15 +0100 > > > desktop-save-mode writes the desktop file from time to time, and it > > uses an idle timer, so I think this explains that. > > I have two problems with that: > - I do not think that it is done every minute, or less. And the reset > is done on the moment of the write-region of my command. So does not > directly relate to the writing of the desktop file. desktop.el auto-saves when something in the window/buffer configuration changes, no matter how frequently that happens. The idle timer run by desktop.el uses the same timeout value as auto-save, which is 30 sec by default. Maybe these facts will allow you to find out why desktop-save-mode has that effect. > - Before 19 December I did not have this behaviour. So it started > after an update. It did not work like this for more as five years, > but started the 19th of December 2017. I guess you will have to find out what changed with that update. No one else except yourself can do that. Maybe it's some change in the kernel, or in glibc, or in inotify. FWIW, I cannot reproduce your problem, neither in "emacs -Q" nor if I turn on global-auto-revert-mode or desktop-save-mode, neither on GNU/Linux nor on MS-Windows. So this is most probably something specific to your system. What is the value of system-configuration-features in that build, btw? Maybe some of the features is responsible for that, and my builds are without it. From unknown Mon Aug 11 19:03:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30080: 24.5; write-region can reset idle time Resent-From: Cecil Westerhof Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 14:39:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30080 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 30080@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA Received: via spool by 30080-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30080.151576788429969 (code B ref 30080); Fri, 12 Jan 2018 14:39:01 +0000 Received: (at 30080) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jan 2018 14:38:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53039 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ea0T5-0007nH-IT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 09:38:03 -0500 Received: from relay01.kovoks.nl ([176.9.21.13]:44063) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ea0T4-0007mo-06 for 30080@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 09:38:02 -0500 Received: from cloud01.kovoks.nl ([91.230.245.58]) by relay01.kovoks.nl with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1ea0Su-00017H-NK; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 15:37:52 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cloud01.kovoks.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7862916837; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 15:37:52 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at cloud01.kovoks.nl Received: from cloud01.kovoks.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (cloud01.kovoks.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id xi+FkXuIO6Mj; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 15:37:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from MailServer.decebal.nl (203-114-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl [83.128.114.203]) (Authenticated sender: send@decebal.nl) by cloud01.kovoks.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B697516858; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 15:37:51 +0100 (CET) Received: by MailServer.decebal.nl (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CD3F25C88F; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 15:37:49 +0100 (CET) From: Cecil Westerhof Organization: Decebal Computing References: <87fu7cnm9o.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> <87efmv97t7.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> <83r2qv30i6.fsf@gnu.org> <874lnr8iu8.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> <83d12f2nf8.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 15:37:49 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83d12f2nf8.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 12 Jan 2018 15:53:47 +0200") Message-ID: <87wp0n6t36.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Cecil Westerhof >> Cc: monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA, 30080@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 11:36:15 +0100 >> >> > desktop-save-mode writes the desktop file from time to time, and it >> > uses an idle timer, so I think this explains that. >> >> I have two problems with that: >> - I do not think that it is done every minute, or less. And the reset >> is done on the moment of the write-region of my command. So does not >> directly relate to the writing of the desktop file. > > desktop.el auto-saves when something in the window/buffer > configuration changes, no matter how frequently that happens. The > idle timer run by desktop.el uses the same timeout value as auto-save, > which is 30 sec by default. Maybe these facts will allow you to find > out why desktop-save-mode has that effect. But it is not desktop-save-mode that does it. As long as I do no write-region the idle-time is not reset. So desktop-save-mode does not reset idle time, but desktop-save-mode makes write region reset idle time. >> - Before 19 December I did not have this behaviour. So it started >> after an update. It did not work like this for more as five years, >> but started the 19th of December 2017. > > I guess you will have to find out what changed with that update. No > one else except yourself can do that. Maybe it's some change in the > kernel, or in glibc, or in inotify. Well, I have to ask on the Debian mailing list then. > FWIW, I cannot reproduce your problem, neither in "emacs -Q" nor if I > turn on global-auto-revert-mode or desktop-save-mode, neither on > GNU/Linux nor on MS-Windows. So this is most probably something > specific to your system. I just tried it on an Ubuntu system and I get the same results. > What is the value of system-configuration-features in that build, btw? > Maybe some of the features is responsible for that, and my builds are > without it. How do I get that? -- Cecil Westerhof Senior Software Engineer M Cecil@Decebal.nl LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/cecilwesterhof From unknown Mon Aug 11 19:03:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30080: 24.5; write-region can reset idle time Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 14:54:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30080 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Cecil Westerhof Cc: 30080@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 30080-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30080.151576878731302 (code B ref 30080); Fri, 12 Jan 2018 14:54:01 +0000 Received: (at 30080) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jan 2018 14:53:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53053 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ea0hf-00088n-HW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 09:53:07 -0500 Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.22]:60384) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ea0he-00088g-8M for 30080@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 09:53:06 -0500 Received: from lechazo.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.7/8.14.1) with ESMTP id w0CEr5Yd014478; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 09:53:05 -0500 Received: by lechazo.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id EAC156062F; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 09:56:48 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: <87fu7cnm9o.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> <87efmv97t7.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 09:56:48 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87efmv97t7.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> (Cecil Westerhof's message of "Fri, 12 Jan 2018 02:36:52 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 2 Rules triggered EDT_SA_DN_PASS=0, RV6199=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9418 : core <6199> : inlines <6309> : streams <1775849> : uri <2568894> X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) >>> (global-auto-revert-mode 1) >> Ha, I think you have your culprit right there: my crystal ball says that >> if you have auto-revert active on the file you modify with >> `write-region` (or maybe even just a file in the same directory) any >> modification to the file (e.g. via `write-region`) will send >> a pseudo-event, which Emacs's command-loop will confuse for an actual >> user event! > The problem being that until the 19th of December it worked without a > problem. I did not change my .emacs. And I see also that keyboard.c does seem to do it right: if (CONSP (c) && (EQ (XCAR (c), Qselect_window) #ifdef HAVE_DBUS || EQ (XCAR (c), Qdbus_event) #endif #ifdef USE_FILE_NOTIFY || EQ (XCAR (c), Qfile_notify) #endif || EQ (XCAR (c), Qconfig_changed_event)) && !end_time) /* We stopped being idle for this event; undo that. This prevents automatic window selection (under mouse-autoselect-window) from acting as a real input event, for example banishing the mouse under mouse-avoidance-mode. */ timer_resume_idle (); Hmm... > It is even more funny: when I play a video with mpv, idle time is also > reset. And this I find really odd. Can you try to run Emacs under GDB? Then start Emacs to try and reproduce the problem with mpv. Once ready to start mpv, hit `C-c C-z` in GDB, then type break timer_stop_idle continue then launch mpv and try to see the backtrace (with command `bt`) when the timer_stop_idle breakpoint is triggered. [ Then again, maybe this will trigger all the time, but is a false alarm because it would be undone right after by the above code. ] Stefan From unknown Mon Aug 11 19:03:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30080: 24.5; write-region can reset idle time Resent-From: Cecil Westerhof Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 15:13:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30080 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Monnier Cc: 30080@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 30080-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30080.15157699281453 (code B ref 30080); Fri, 12 Jan 2018 15:13:02 +0000 Received: (at 30080) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jan 2018 15:12:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53961 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ea103-0000NM-OP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 10:12:07 -0500 Received: from relay01.kovoks.nl ([176.9.21.13]:44423) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ea101-0000Mr-9A for 30080@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 10:12:05 -0500 Received: from cloud01.kovoks.nl ([91.230.245.58]) by relay01.kovoks.nl with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1ea0zt-0001Ig-VE; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 16:11:58 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cloud01.kovoks.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B38A016858; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 16:11:57 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at cloud01.kovoks.nl Received: from cloud01.kovoks.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (cloud01.kovoks.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id bzs2UYaGWi6l; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 16:11:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from MailServer.decebal.nl (203-114-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl [83.128.114.203]) (Authenticated sender: send@decebal.nl) by cloud01.kovoks.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3DE2716837; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 16:11:57 +0100 (CET) Received: by MailServer.decebal.nl (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9E1F98CA41; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 16:11:56 +0100 (CET) From: Cecil Westerhof Organization: Decebal Computing References: <87fu7cnm9o.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> <87efmv97t7.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 16:11:56 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Fri, 12 Jan 2018 09:56:48 -0500") Message-ID: <87shbb6rib.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Stefan Monnier writes: >> It is even more funny: when I play a video with mpv, idle time is also >> reset. And this I find really odd. > > Can you try to run Emacs under GDB? > Then start Emacs to try and reproduce the problem with mpv. > Once ready to start mpv, hit `C-c C-z` in GDB, then type > > break timer_stop_idle > continue > > then launch mpv and try to see the backtrace (with command `bt`) when > the timer_stop_idle breakpoint is triggered. > [ Then again, maybe this will trigger all the time, but is a false > alarm because it would be undone right after by the above code. ] And it is funnier still: I found out that this only happens when mpv is started when clicking on a file in KTorrent. If I click om a file in Thunar, or start mpv from the command line it does not happen. I will try to do what you asked this weekend. -- Cecil Westerhof Senior Software Engineer M Cecil@Decebal.nl LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/cecilwesterhof From unknown Mon Aug 11 19:03:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30080: 24.5; write-region can reset idle time Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 16:52:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30080 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Cecil Westerhof Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 30080@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA Received: via spool by 30080-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30080.151577587310755 (code B ref 30080); Fri, 12 Jan 2018 16:52:01 +0000 Received: (at 30080) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jan 2018 16:51:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54043 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ea2Xx-0002nP-3q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 11:51:13 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:34910) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ea2Xv-0002nD-RP for 30080@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 11:51:12 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ea2Xp-0003C6-P2 for 30080@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 11:51:06 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:55641) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ea2Xm-0003A4-VZ; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 11:51:02 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ea2Xk-0001zu-98; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 11:51:00 -0500 From: Glenn Morris References: <87fu7cnm9o.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> <87efmv97t7.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> <83r2qv30i6.fsf@gnu.org> <874lnr8iu8.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> <83d12f2nf8.fsf@gnu.org> <87wp0n6t36.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> X-Spook: Yemen DDOS Plague global Firefly Al Qaeda in the Islamic X-Ran: }@y[qBuOMZPv!^Xvt*LnyQ/.=y9mdQ,&A}oEKXEW\p~"]v>9wu8x_CM7eEI@J/5Tv$Qygz X-Hue: brightcyan X-Attribution: GM Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 11:51:00 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87wp0n6t36.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> (Cecil Westerhof's message of "Fri, 12 Jan 2018 15:37:49 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Cecil Westerhof wrote: >> What is the value of system-configuration-features in that build, btw? >> Maybe some of the features is responsible for that, and my builds are >> without it. > > How do I get that? Upgrade to at least Emacs 25.1. Preferably 25.3. (Is it just me who thinks investigating an Emacs 24.5 problem isn't productive?) From unknown Mon Aug 11 19:03:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30080: 24.5; write-region can reset idle time Resent-From: Cecil Westerhof Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 17:11:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30080 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 30080@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA Received: via spool by 30080-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30080.151577702612674 (code B ref 30080); Fri, 12 Jan 2018 17:11:02 +0000 Received: (at 30080) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jan 2018 17:10:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54051 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ea2qX-0003IM-Ue for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 12:10:26 -0500 Received: from relay01.kovoks.nl ([176.9.21.13]:45550) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ea2qV-0003I5-QH for 30080@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 12:10:24 -0500 Received: from cloud01.kovoks.nl ([91.230.245.58]) by relay01.kovoks.nl with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1ea2qO-0001ra-JN; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 18:10:16 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cloud01.kovoks.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6100416860; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 18:10:16 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at cloud01.kovoks.nl Received: from cloud01.kovoks.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (cloud01.kovoks.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id ZzOFVkEssRoa; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 18:10:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from MailServer.decebal.nl (203-114-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl [83.128.114.203]) (Authenticated sender: send@decebal.nl) by cloud01.kovoks.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5A50B16858; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 18:10:15 +0100 (CET) Received: by MailServer.decebal.nl (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 19D285C88F; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 18:10:15 +0100 (CET) From: Cecil Westerhof Organization: Decebal Computing References: <87fu7cnm9o.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> <87efmv97t7.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> <83r2qv30i6.fsf@gnu.org> <874lnr8iu8.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> <83d12f2nf8.fsf@gnu.org> <87wp0n6t36.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 18:10:15 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Fri, 12 Jan 2018 11:51:00 -0500") Message-ID: <87a7xjf1fs.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Glenn Morris writes: > Cecil Westerhof wrote: > >>> What is the value of system-configuration-features in that build, btw? >>> Maybe some of the features is responsible for that, and my builds are >>> without it. >> >> How do I get that? > > Upgrade to at least Emacs 25.1. Preferably 25.3. > (Is it just me who thinks investigating an Emacs 24.5 problem isn't > productive?) Debian is always a bit behind, but I could look into upgrading manually. -- Cecil Westerhof Senior Software Engineer M Cecil@Decebal.nl LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/cecilwesterhof From unknown Mon Aug 11 19:03:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30080: 24.5; write-region can reset idle time Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 18:19:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30080 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Cecil Westerhof Cc: Glenn Morris , Eli Zaretskii , 30080@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 30080-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30080.151578113226432 (code B ref 30080); Fri, 12 Jan 2018 18:19:01 +0000 Received: (at 30080) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jan 2018 18:18:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54103 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ea3um-0006sG-4o for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 13:18:52 -0500 Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.22]:44621) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ea3uj-0006s6-TJ for 30080@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 13:18:51 -0500 Received: from lechazo.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.7/8.14.1) with ESMTP id w0CIIl6v017010; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 13:18:48 -0500 Received: by lechazo.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 271686030E; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 13:22:31 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: <87fu7cnm9o.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> <87efmv97t7.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> <83r2qv30i6.fsf@gnu.org> <874lnr8iu8.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> <83d12f2nf8.fsf@gnu.org> <87wp0n6t36.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> <87a7xjf1fs.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 13:22:31 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87a7xjf1fs.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> (Cecil Westerhof's message of "Fri, 12 Jan 2018 18:10:15 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 2 Rules triggered EDT_SA_DN_PASS=0, RV6199=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9418 : core <6199> : inlines <6310> : streams <1775863> : uri <2569012> X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) >> (Is it just me who thinks investigating an Emacs 24.5 problem isn't >> productive?) Oh, my, I didn't even notice. > Debian is always a bit behind, but I could look into upgrading > manually. Debian testing has 25.2, please try at least that version. Stefan From unknown Mon Aug 11 19:03:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30080: 24.5; write-region can reset idle time Resent-From: Cecil Westerhof Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 23:00:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30080 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Monnier Cc: Glenn Morris , Eli Zaretskii , 30080@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 30080-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30080.151579797726146 (code B ref 30080); Fri, 12 Jan 2018 23:00:02 +0000 Received: (at 30080) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jan 2018 22:59:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54282 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ea8IT-0006ne-Ku for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 17:59:37 -0500 Received: from relay01.kovoks.nl ([176.9.21.13]:48302) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ea8IR-0006nR-Uh for 30080@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 17:59:36 -0500 Received: from cloud01.kovoks.nl ([91.230.245.58]) by relay01.kovoks.nl with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1ea8IK-0002oE-Kf; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 23:59:28 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cloud01.kovoks.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6481116860; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 23:59:28 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at cloud01.kovoks.nl Received: from cloud01.kovoks.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (cloud01.kovoks.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id czHhukAgcpkp; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 23:59:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from MailServer.decebal.nl (203-114-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl [83.128.114.203]) (Authenticated sender: send@decebal.nl) by cloud01.kovoks.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D044E16858; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 23:59:27 +0100 (CET) Received: by MailServer.decebal.nl (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9AEBE8CA41; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 23:59:27 +0100 (CET) From: Cecil Westerhof Organization: Decebal Computing References: <87fu7cnm9o.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> <87efmv97t7.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> <83r2qv30i6.fsf@gnu.org> <874lnr8iu8.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> <83d12f2nf8.fsf@gnu.org> <87wp0n6t36.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> <87a7xjf1fs.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 23:59:27 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Fri, 12 Jan 2018 13:22:31 -0500") Message-ID: <87inc6d6pc.fsf@munus.decebal.nl> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Stefan Monnier writes: >>> (Is it just me who thinks investigating an Emacs 24.5 problem isn't >>> productive?) > > Oh, my, I didn't even notice. > >> Debian is always a bit behind, but I could look into upgrading >> manually. > > Debian testing has 25.2, please try at least that version. Stable has also 25.1.1. I had to install emacs25 instead of emacs. Done that and both problems disappeared. In a way this keeps me wondering how it could appear and disappear, but I think I let it go. ;-) Is there a reason to go to 25.2 instead of 25.1.1, or is this good enough? -- Cecil Westerhof Senior Software Engineer M Cecil@Decebal.nl LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/cecilwesterhof From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 15 16:13:22 2018 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jan 2018 21:13:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57813 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ebC4I-0000Kr-3g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jan 2018 16:13:22 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51722) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ebC4G-0000Ke-34 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jan 2018 16:13:20 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ebC4A-0007YD-Eh for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jan 2018 16:13:15 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:56791) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ebC4A-0007Y7-Aq for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jan 2018 16:13:14 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ebC4A-0003AF-1q for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jan 2018 16:13:14 -0500 Subject: control message for bug 30080 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.99.98) Message-Id: From: Glenn Morris Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 16:13:14 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) close 30080 25.1