From unknown Sun Sep 07 16:50:11 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30001: 27.0.50; Outdated info on save-excursion in (info "(cl) Modify Macros") Resent-From: Xu Chunyang Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 05:31:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 30001 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 30001@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.151521661318768 (code B ref -1); Sat, 06 Jan 2018 05:31:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jan 2018 05:30:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37509 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eXh3d-0004se-0n for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 00:30:13 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:49763) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eXh3b-0004sR-LM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 00:30:12 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eXh3V-0005du-Nw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 00:30:06 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,T_DKIM_INVALID, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:58302) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eXh3V-0005dm-I0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 00:30:05 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40720) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eXh3U-0001lE-Lf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 00:30:05 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eXh3T-0005d4-Sr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 00:30:04 -0500 Received: from forward101o.mail.yandex.net ([2a02:6b8:0:1a2d::601]:39854) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eXh3T-0005bk-L6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 00:30:03 -0500 Received: from mxback5g.mail.yandex.net (mxback5g.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1472:2741:0:8b7:166]) by forward101o.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 6AC6F1342D99 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2018 08:30:01 +0300 (MSK) Received: from smtp4o.mail.yandex.net (smtp4o.mail.yandex.net [2a02:6b8:0:1a2d::28]) by mxback5g.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id VVYnEkyjAV-U1MqgQ94; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 08:30:01 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=xuchunyang.me; s=mail; t=1515216601; bh=y5+7d8bsK0CItbZErrdEgy3mcXIAi/7Z6cwNnCkpHmg=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID; b=+SaNM7PNRcJxJYxkNz2ti+73GZi3m8s86v2r7NKC/12nomElskYLhapiWOQ8KW472 2jezIbqs5zTVUpVNjMYKCntr8qkw1P0KLO52eLfbiieXNG5ebUrjYGD0rXrzMA7Rkg Uv93hMYMkStQMXEgTk0OeF/BIq5eC6i86kqNCLWw= Received: by smtp4o.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id MHAv22gZnJ-TxLGUnZG; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 08:30:00 +0300 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client certificate not present) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=xuchunyang.me; s=mail; t=1515216600; bh=y5+7d8bsK0CItbZErrdEgy3mcXIAi/7Z6cwNnCkpHmg=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID; b=JI5KYnjVAys0NrcRM7UoLNd7sPQ49QFo54giM+coUAxEWVobBmzxilcbsL3gmXzvv 4dSx4juSpQgScg5/U0O188stLV9vugFzcU1bevJ0xyl8L2dzD8ZnYq7H7eft3absMr t/cPRCUOMa7+or8vJZlih0QnM6nh8WQVFPu5n7C0= Authentication-Results: smtp4o.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@xuchunyang.me From: Xu Chunyang Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 13:29:57 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) 'C-h S cl-letf' or (info "(cl) Modify Macros") has the following: Note that `cl-letf' on `(point)' is not quite like a `save-excursion', as the latter effectively saves a marker which tracks insertions and deletions in the buffer. but 'save-excursion' is no longer saving marker since Emacs 25.1 according to 'C-h f save-excursion'. From unknown Sun Sep 07 16:50:11 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30001: 27.0.50; Outdated info on save-excursion in (info "(cl) Modify Macros") Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 09:11:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30001 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Xu Chunyang Cc: 30001@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 30001-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30001.15152298316121 (code B ref 30001); Sat, 06 Jan 2018 09:11:01 +0000 Received: (at 30001) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jan 2018 09:10:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37554 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eXkUo-0001ad-HT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 04:10:31 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:43568) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eXkUn-0001aN-2R for 30001@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 04:10:29 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eXkUd-0006aA-FM for 30001@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 04:10:23 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:49567) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eXkUd-0006a1-8G; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 04:10:19 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2018 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eXkUc-00036O-BW; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 04:10:18 -0500 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 11:10:00 +0200 Message-Id: <83efn39wuv.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: (message from Xu Chunyang on Sat, 06 Jan 2018 13:29:57 +0800) References: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Xu Chunyang > Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 13:29:57 +0800 > > 'C-h S cl-letf' or (info "(cl) Modify Macros") has the following: > > Note that `cl-letf' on `(point)' is not quite like a > `save-excursion', as the latter effectively saves a marker which > tracks insertions and deletions in the buffer. > > but 'save-excursion' is no longer saving marker since Emacs 25.1 > according to 'C-h f save-excursion'. save-excursion doesn't save the _mark_, but it still saves a _marker_ that tracks point, as opposed to just the value of point at the moment of the call. Do you have a practical use case where the documentation is incorrect? Thanks. From unknown Sun Sep 07 16:50:11 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30001: 27.0.50; Outdated info on save-excursion in (info "(cl) Modify Macros") Resent-From: Stephen Berman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 12:13:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30001 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: Xu Chunyang , 30001@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 30001-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30001.151524077722253 (code B ref 30001); Sat, 06 Jan 2018 12:13:01 +0000 Received: (at 30001) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jan 2018 12:12:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37604 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eXnLL-0005mo-HN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 07:12:57 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]:51237) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eXnLJ-0005mb-CR for 30001@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 07:12:53 -0500 Received: from rosalinde ([83.135.27.230]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MbPPQ-1eHMPr0BXQ-00Ijiy; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 13:12:39 +0100 From: Stephen Berman References: <83efn39wuv.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 13:12:37 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83efn39wuv.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 06 Jan 2018 11:10:00 +0200") Message-ID: <87r2r3rxsa.fsf@gmx.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:E7QhGYR5ytoBxl0H4JcpF5Y9Iczd1G7CM1F93gRCMiNowDj58Yi ClEoGXl/f3voWwMvUlzWITxSqudtkjjAUEim0o7LYXKiW5CPVqLnsAklqpemG6bPwtbu9vT E5/y/g+swllhDA96/I/SV+Uufdm885BtaJ45dSzqVoACbTyGovclCx1m3LRe3/NuoziEtrU ZgD0X0F9YtfaKsRz7wYyA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:5npcRrsx8TQ=:mP+WhIUdaYPMikAHKre4fl rVgEJzPfy2z3kXPNqsglkJ8vtaF8xCi8aM6vi0QONRAhTwO/lBuFxs7SkMAqzHRxFIFO9KoC0 0eFIX31G+KcZWXnXPj+HaGe8YJzqv7H1jBxXY/z9oE+g0BOBJevDTwl4BzqbOF2r6kj8lqPh2 3FYCYTzugUQKR120Iwfa72joSRvdRi00h6aeLPvFlgFQqFK44serTWmF90jhYrGANNlFObNZW VXB4SJ+lpXODiac0t7Jy0fjphwl0hLMNKfmMuCNjYOHvKlPyN+0G4dOn6+yDP9VsFC5Y1J/Ml FhxnLwg8ppJtXk/2Fvjlj4P4vnzlA8iDeHwXiAICPaZ4rPIx9NDEi+m+0EMt+MyUZdzKBQ7cp SeaW6zTOZtzU1jdNWoDB9vsoyKW6UKlJyNLmYIBfyXFyigSw4H51icCfnJeaqx8/bieXmDqui 5kc2e4XWi1Bsy+wXQ0kC1HO3CDotj7xm5tpk6yHFEgws8oD7hEefQaZvtYMl/gwM5Oi6gUVhE so2vtwfyGxbAvY39dE9ynkIcUmW25huuQwzSZFuHIPE84Tv7XsCXa5gYRd9nc6SmwoeIztZjo Wp5nO2LsbL8s9qP44/x1BbAC213MibxW2G4E/dVElOqC56AIN9tuIGkmAFDTUL9GF/eyDqQRR eM9oq0P5AzRvT3/M84FjHm9Xl33LL7Onlq7ALQOaPuRpgc5zXDVLJzvGwTNjfXOepAIvD9/CH Fri+1P4pSFNce8/dpulocgpO2wZ73ode3U75xdscrWe2SQtuJtZ+0dLadjm9Ey0cA04CUqNmL RL0F4NO0gL+q6YjcgSO8Yr8qE2pGG5JLnAC3b5Etk4CN9/6iAg= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Sat, 06 Jan 2018 11:10:00 +0200 Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Xu Chunyang >> Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 13:29:57 +0800 >>=20 >> 'C-h S cl-letf' or (info "(cl) Modify Macros") has the following: >>=20 >> Note that `cl-letf' on `(point)' is not quite like a >> `save-excursion', as the latter effectively saves a marker which >> tracks insertions and deletions in the buffer. >>=20 >> but 'save-excursion' is no longer saving marker since Emacs 25.1 >> according to 'C-h f save-excursion'. > > save-excursion doesn't save the _mark_, but it still saves a _marker_ > that tracks point, as opposed to just the value of point at the moment > of the call. It looks like the doc string of save-excursion contains a few typos: Before Emacs 25.1, =E2=80=98save-excursion=E2=80=99 used to save the mark= state. To save the marker state as well as the point and buffer, use ^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^ =E2=80=98save-mark-and-excursion=E2=80=99. Shouldn't that be: "To save the mark state as well as point and the buffer"? Steve Berman From unknown Sun Sep 07 16:50:11 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#30001: 27.0.50; Outdated info on save-excursion in (info "(cl) Modify Macros") Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 15:17:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30001 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stephen Berman Cc: mail@xuchunyang.me, 30001@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 30001-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30001.151525176520612 (code B ref 30001); Sat, 06 Jan 2018 15:17:01 +0000 Received: (at 30001) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jan 2018 15:16:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38269 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eXqCb-0005MN-Do for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 10:16:05 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42324) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eXqCa-0005Lf-Aq for 30001@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 10:16:04 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eXqCQ-0002Jd-7f for 30001@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 10:15:59 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:53411) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eXqCQ-0002JZ-3h; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 10:15:54 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2616 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eXqCP-00036e-In; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 10:15:53 -0500 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 17:15:36 +0200 Message-Id: <83a7xr9fxj.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <87r2r3rxsa.fsf@gmx.net> (message from Stephen Berman on Sat, 06 Jan 2018 13:12:37 +0100) References: <83efn39wuv.fsf@gnu.org> <87r2r3rxsa.fsf@gmx.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Stephen Berman > Cc: Xu Chunyang , 30001@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 13:12:37 +0100 > > Before Emacs 25.1, ‘save-excursion’ used to save the mark state. > To save the marker state as well as the point and buffer, use > ^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^ > ‘save-mark-and-excursion’. > > Shouldn't that be: "To save the mark state as well as point and the > buffer"? Of course. Thanks, fixed. From unknown Sun Sep 07 16:50:11 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Xu Chunyang Subject: bug#30001: closed (Re: bug#30001: 27.0.50; Outdated info on save-excursion in (info "(cl) Modify Macros")) Message-ID: References: <838tdb9fvu.fsf@gnu.org> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 30001 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 30001@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 15:18:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1515251882-20777-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1515251882-20777-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #30001: 27.0.50; Outdated info on save-excursion in (info "(cl) Modify Macr= os") which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 30001@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 30001: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D30001 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1515251882-20777-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 30001-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jan 2018 15:17:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38273 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eXqDa-0005Ny-PT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 10:17:06 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42754) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eXqDY-0005NL-TQ for 30001-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 10:17:05 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eXqDO-0003Ro-RD for 30001-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 10:16:59 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:53422) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eXqDO-0003Ri-Nm; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 10:16:54 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2619 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eXqDO-0003AW-5a; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 10:16:54 -0500 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 17:16:37 +0200 Message-Id: <838tdb9fvu.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Xu Chunyang In-reply-to: (message from Xu Chunyang on Sat, 06 Jan 2018 20:31:12 +0800) Subject: Re: bug#30001: 27.0.50; Outdated info on save-excursion in (info "(cl) Modify Macros") References: <83efn39wuv.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30001-done Cc: 30001-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Xu Chunyang > Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 20:31:12 +0800 > > > save-excursion doesn't save the _mark_, but it still saves a _marker_ > > that tracks point, as opposed to just the value of point at the moment > > of the call. > > I see. Please close the bug report since it is simply my > misunderstanding. Thanks. Done. ------------=_1515251882-20777-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jan 2018 05:30:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37509 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eXh3d-0004se-0n for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 00:30:13 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:49763) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eXh3b-0004sR-LM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 00:30:12 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eXh3V-0005du-Nw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 00:30:06 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,T_DKIM_INVALID, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:58302) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eXh3V-0005dm-I0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 00:30:05 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40720) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eXh3U-0001lE-Lf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 00:30:05 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eXh3T-0005d4-Sr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 00:30:04 -0500 Received: from forward101o.mail.yandex.net ([2a02:6b8:0:1a2d::601]:39854) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eXh3T-0005bk-L6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 00:30:03 -0500 Received: from mxback5g.mail.yandex.net (mxback5g.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1472:2741:0:8b7:166]) by forward101o.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 6AC6F1342D99 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2018 08:30:01 +0300 (MSK) Received: from smtp4o.mail.yandex.net (smtp4o.mail.yandex.net [2a02:6b8:0:1a2d::28]) by mxback5g.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id VVYnEkyjAV-U1MqgQ94; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 08:30:01 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=xuchunyang.me; s=mail; t=1515216601; bh=y5+7d8bsK0CItbZErrdEgy3mcXIAi/7Z6cwNnCkpHmg=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID; b=+SaNM7PNRcJxJYxkNz2ti+73GZi3m8s86v2r7NKC/12nomElskYLhapiWOQ8KW472 2jezIbqs5zTVUpVNjMYKCntr8qkw1P0KLO52eLfbiieXNG5ebUrjYGD0rXrzMA7Rkg Uv93hMYMkStQMXEgTk0OeF/BIq5eC6i86kqNCLWw= Received: by smtp4o.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id MHAv22gZnJ-TxLGUnZG; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 08:30:00 +0300 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client certificate not present) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=xuchunyang.me; s=mail; t=1515216600; bh=y5+7d8bsK0CItbZErrdEgy3mcXIAi/7Z6cwNnCkpHmg=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID; b=JI5KYnjVAys0NrcRM7UoLNd7sPQ49QFo54giM+coUAxEWVobBmzxilcbsL3gmXzvv 4dSx4juSpQgScg5/U0O188stLV9vugFzcU1bevJ0xyl8L2dzD8ZnYq7H7eft3absMr t/cPRCUOMa7+or8vJZlih0QnM6nh8WQVFPu5n7C0= Authentication-Results: smtp4o.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@xuchunyang.me From: Xu Chunyang To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 27.0.50; Outdated info on save-excursion in (info "(cl) Modify Macros") Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 13:29:57 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) 'C-h S cl-letf' or (info "(cl) Modify Macros") has the following: Note that `cl-letf' on `(point)' is not quite like a `save-excursion', as the latter effectively saves a marker which tracks insertions and deletions in the buffer. but 'save-excursion' is no longer saving marker since Emacs 25.1 according to 'C-h f save-excursion'. ------------=_1515251882-20777-1--