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Message-ID: <20180102131851.6dde5704@mykolab.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/4jFWpLqNaMBGIp3GV=.Z1aH"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) --Sig_/4jFWpLqNaMBGIp3GV=.Z1aH Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="MP_/jC4f9oO35aOEVa9i+PC_2ZS" --MP_/jC4f9oO35aOEVa9i+PC_2ZS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline This patch adds a small paragraph to the documentation about the current status of Wayland in Guix. --MP_/jC4f9oO35aOEVa9i+PC_2ZS Content-Type: text/x-patch Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=0001-doc-Describe-Wayland-status.patch =46rom a790d403524df182cdd8aa35931b989234d874cd Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Rutger Helling Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 13:14:09 +0100 Subject: [PATCH] doc: Describe Wayland status. * doc/guix.texi (Desktop Services): Add a paragraph about the current statu= s of Wayland in Guix. --- doc/guix.texi | 8 ++++++++ 1 file changed, 8 insertions(+) diff --git a/doc/guix.texi b/doc/guix.texi index 1d1f30f00..336e94764 100644 --- a/doc/guix.texi +++ b/doc/guix.texi @@ -45,6 +45,7 @@ Copyright @copyright{} 2017 George Clemmer@* Copyright @copyright{} 2017 Andy Wingo@* Copyright @copyright{} 2017 Arun Isaac@* Copyright @copyright{} 2017 nee +Copyright @copyright{} 2018 Rutger Helling@* =20 Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.3 or @@ -12151,6 +12152,13 @@ limited number of special-purpose system interface= s. Additionally, adding a service made by @code{mate-desktop-service} adds the MATE metapackage to the system profile. =20 +The desktop environments in Guix use X11 by default. If you'd like to +use the more modern display server protocol called Wayland, you need +to use the @code{sddm-service} instead of the @code{slim-service} for +the graphical login manager. You should then select the ``GNOME +(Wayland)'' session in SDDM. Currently only GNOME has support for +Wayland. + @deffn {Scheme Procedure} gnome-desktop-service Return a service that adds the @code{gnome} package to the system profile, and extends polkit with the actions from --=20 2.15.1 --MP_/jC4f9oO35aOEVa9i+PC_2ZS-- --Sig_/4jFWpLqNaMBGIp3GV=.Z1aH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEAVThuRzJ2e93ZI3n86cn20T8yjYFAlpLeKsACgkQ86cn20T8 yjYmMgf/cc8nzh2R3f6QiN0Z+Y1DEmUdf81KNEO6vXgScz7vMuhEsvD8P7QEp+nQ hUSk7sP2E35RWTFsdHELOgXgky/JUFUtzbdTEH7kH5FAcyK75kysWleZswG/bmRj LaK+u4wNgrjDPiF5b5JweuYA1welLE9J/p3SWjhhDBnr/cCwIy3RZuEWbxVG4YBS qLIcNUyhgM2SRKPLnJxS4HfqNO2pA4GER/2s9L3gxtsAYkHoxLHdjtU8I3fojoXO lYW8ZZdBjUr/ARVR59n7A/FVTlN8WaCCaKIHePgnL1TzSy/6hNguDhuzGaXfbzcW jxkMXHQ0ofQ/b+A1NLVhfv2VyawQag== =F8pj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/4jFWpLqNaMBGIp3GV=.Z1aH-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 06 09:16:50 2018 Received: (at 29943) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jan 2018 14:16:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37645 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eXpHG-0001yp-NA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 09:16:50 -0500 Received: from hera.aquilenet.fr ([185.233.100.1]:58410) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eXpHE-0001yh-T9 for 29943@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 09:16:49 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hera.aquilenet.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70E7EF89E; Sat, 6 Jan 2018 15:16:48 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at aquilenet.fr Received: from hera.aquilenet.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (hera.aquilenet.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xTivg2T6Cy_d; Sat, 6 Jan 2018 15:16:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from ribbon (unknown [IPv6:2a01:e0a:1d:7270:af76:b9b:ca24:c465]) by hera.aquilenet.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 75964F7E2; Sat, 6 Jan 2018 15:16:47 +0100 (CET) From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?=) To: Rutger Helling Subject: Re: [bug#29943] [PATCH] doc: Describe Wayland status. References: <20180102131851.6dde5704@mykolab.com> Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 15:16:46 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20180102131851.6dde5704@mykolab.com> (Rutger Helling's message of "Tue, 2 Jan 2018 13:18:51 +0100") Message-ID: <87608ft6lt.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29943 Cc: 29943@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) Hello! Rutger Helling skribis: > From a790d403524df182cdd8aa35931b989234d874cd Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 > From: Rutger Helling > Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 13:14:09 +0100 > Subject: [PATCH] doc: Describe Wayland status. > > * doc/guix.texi (Desktop Services): Add a paragraph about the current sta= tus of > Wayland in Guix. Good idea! > +++ b/doc/guix.texi > @@ -45,6 +45,7 @@ Copyright @copyright{} 2017 George Clemmer@* > Copyright @copyright{} 2017 Andy Wingo@* > Copyright @copyright{} 2017 Arun Isaac@* > Copyright @copyright{} 2017 nee > +Copyright @copyright{} 2018 Rutger Helling@* You need @* on the line before yours, but not on yours (it introduces a linebreak). > +The desktop environments in Guix use X11 by default. If you'd like to s/X11/the Xorg display server/ (in an attempt not to assume a too technical audience.) Also, please always put two spaces after an end-of-sentence period, to ensure proper rendering. > +use the more modern display server protocol called Wayland, you need s/more modern/newer/ :-) > +to use the @code{sddm-service} instead of the @code{slim-service} for > +the graphical login manager. You should then select the ``GNOME > +(Wayland)'' session in SDDM. Currently only GNOME has support for > +Wayland. Otherwise LGTM, thanks! Ludo=E2=80=99. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 06 09:43:17 2018 Received: (at 29943) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jan 2018 14:43:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37662 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eXpgq-0002ZP-QW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 09:43:17 -0500 Received: from aibo.runbox.com ([91.220.196.211]:33374) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eXpgp-0002ZG-6I for 29943@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 09:43:15 -0500 Received: from [10.9.9.212] (helo=mailfront12.runbox.com) by mailtransmit03.runbox with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eXpgm-0000wp-4v; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 15:43:12 +0100 Received: from dslb-092-073-184-235.092.073.pools.vodafone-ip.de ([92.73.184.235] helo=localhost) by mailfront12.runbox.com with esmtpsa (uid:892961 ) (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) id 1eXpgj-0008Uy-Pm; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 15:43:09 +0100 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 14:43:08 +0000 From: ng0 To: Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= Subject: Re: [bug#29943] [PATCH] doc: Describe Wayland status. Message-ID: <20180106144308.bvkqqsp6vhj3d377@abyayala> References: <20180102131851.6dde5704@mykolab.com> <87608ft6lt.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="bkkoesc5rkxmmxzj" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87608ft6lt.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29943 Cc: 29943@debbugs.gnu.org, Rutger Helling X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --bkkoesc5rkxmmxzj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ludovic Court=C3=A8s transcribed 1.3K bytes: > Hello! >=20 > Rutger Helling skribis: >=20 > > From a790d403524df182cdd8aa35931b989234d874cd Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 > > From: Rutger Helling > > Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 13:14:09 +0100 > > Subject: [PATCH] doc: Describe Wayland status. > > > > * doc/guix.texi (Desktop Services): Add a paragraph about the current s= tatus of > > Wayland in Guix. >=20 > Good idea! >=20 > > +++ b/doc/guix.texi > > @@ -45,6 +45,7 @@ Copyright @copyright{} 2017 George Clemmer@* > > Copyright @copyright{} 2017 Andy Wingo@* > > Copyright @copyright{} 2017 Arun Isaac@* > > Copyright @copyright{} 2017 nee > > +Copyright @copyright{} 2018 Rutger Helling@* >=20 > You need @* on the line before yours, but not on yours (it introduces a > linebreak). >=20 > > +The desktop environments in Guix use X11 by default. If you'd like to >=20 > s/X11/the Xorg display server/ (in an attempt not to assume a too > technical audience.) >=20 > Also, please always put two spaces after an end-of-sentence period, to > ensure proper rendering. Under which conditions does this result in non-proper rendering? It's certainly not a Tex issue from what I can tell. So far I assumed it's = just a convention because in some countries this is the default and in some not. I think we have a very short explanation in the Manual, but this never real= ly explained why or what could go wrong. Maybe we could extend that. > > +use the more modern display server protocol called Wayland, you need >=20 > s/more modern/newer/ :-) >=20 > > +to use the @code{sddm-service} instead of the @code{slim-service} for > > +the graphical login manager. You should then select the ``GNOME > > +(Wayland)'' session in SDDM. 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Message-ID: <20180106182041.2ecd4b3d@mykolab.com> In-Reply-To: <87608ft6lt.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20180102131851.6dde5704@mykolab.com> <87608ft6lt.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/9Zw2C.45Fvlm53AYbJMf15e"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29943-done Cc: 29943-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) --Sig_/9Zw2C.45Fvlm53AYbJMf15e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the review! I updated the patch according to your feedback and pushed it. On Sat, 06 Jan 2018 15:16:46 +0100 ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Court=C3=A8s) wrote: > Hello! >=20 > Rutger Helling skribis: >=20 > > From a790d403524df182cdd8aa35931b989234d874cd Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 > > 2001 From: Rutger Helling > > Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 13:14:09 +0100 > > Subject: [PATCH] doc: Describe Wayland status. > > > > * doc/guix.texi (Desktop Services): Add a paragraph about the > > current status of Wayland in Guix. =20 >=20 > Good idea! >=20 > > +++ b/doc/guix.texi > > @@ -45,6 +45,7 @@ Copyright @copyright{} 2017 George Clemmer@* > > Copyright @copyright{} 2017 Andy Wingo@* > > Copyright @copyright{} 2017 Arun Isaac@* > > Copyright @copyright{} 2017 nee > > +Copyright @copyright{} 2018 Rutger Helling@* =20 >=20 > You need @* on the line before yours, but not on yours (it introduces > a linebreak). >=20 > > +The desktop environments in Guix use X11 by default. If you'd like > > to =20 >=20 > s/X11/the Xorg display server/ (in an attempt not to assume a too > technical audience.) >=20 > Also, please always put two spaces after an end-of-sentence period, to > ensure proper rendering. >=20 > > +use the more modern display server protocol called Wayland, you > > need =20 >=20 > s/more modern/newer/ :-) >=20 > > +to use the @code{sddm-service} instead of the @code{slim-service} > > for +the graphical login manager. You should then select the ``GNOME > > +(Wayland)'' session in SDDM. Currently only GNOME has support for > > +Wayland. =20 >=20 > Otherwise LGTM, thanks! >=20 > Ludo=E2=80=99. --Sig_/9Zw2C.45Fvlm53AYbJMf15e Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEAVThuRzJ2e93ZI3n86cn20T8yjYFAlpRBWkACgkQ86cn20T8 yjYC+Qf8CRK4n9esgx6isDqXRQAEAsZ6aQzY/3i4XFt/c7Ecb5zIjSF90NNnt6it Lrmo8l0YmlYXKP2LK/JLDSgCTy7GwC0W4KtXXvz/RWxIqi+1bhRPY8yAjpgeczw3 +ByMYI7KEIYy+GmTWKmoq9NlhZzohNDXOCr9l3RfrDCaz2T5eY0Uby3JFU211DEE L1Nlg3J85zSJkaji7WvpePFgsD2c+Q+UxvV0D4/EItRpR+cC5uDMs0tE3d1/CaSW repeh2AHy4RVcVuczPxxhsnXNqGMj45E1u1fNztadmKY3vRllKwt2IIsBMgxtDSa F+mQdP8rjZfbuXjyHYoO33Za5ca5YQ== =qCkW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/9Zw2C.45Fvlm53AYbJMf15e-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 06 15:40:28 2018 Received: (at 29943) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jan 2018 20:40:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38474 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eXvGW-0006aG-Ku for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 15:40:28 -0500 Received: from hera.aquilenet.fr ([185.233.100.1]:48910) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eXvGU-0006a7-RN for 29943@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 15:40:27 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hera.aquilenet.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90AD4FB6B; Sat, 6 Jan 2018 21:40:25 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at aquilenet.fr Received: from hera.aquilenet.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (hera.aquilenet.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0Byin77UugpK; Sat, 6 Jan 2018 21:40:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from ribbon (unknown [IPv6:2a01:e0a:1d:7270:af76:b9b:ca24:c465]) by hera.aquilenet.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 282DAF7E2; Sat, 6 Jan 2018 21:40:24 +0100 (CET) From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?=) To: ng0 Subject: Re: [bug#29943] [PATCH] doc: Describe Wayland status. References: <20180102131851.6dde5704@mykolab.com> <87608ft6lt.fsf@gnu.org> <20180106144308.bvkqqsp6vhj3d377@abyayala> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 17 =?utf-8?Q?Niv=C3=B4se?= an 226 de la =?utf-8?Q?R?= =?utf-8?Q?=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 21:40:22 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20180106144308.bvkqqsp6vhj3d377@abyayala> (ng0@n0.is's message of "Sat, 6 Jan 2018 14:43:08 +0000") Message-ID: <87h8rysouh.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29943 Cc: 29943@debbugs.gnu.org, Rutger Helling X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) ng0 skribis: > Ludovic Court=C3=A8s transcribed 1.3K bytes: [...] >> s/X11/the Xorg display server/ (in an attempt not to assume a too >> technical audience.) >>=20 >> Also, please always put two spaces after an end-of-sentence period, to >> ensure proper rendering. > > Under which conditions does this result in non-proper rendering? > It's certainly not a Tex issue from what I can tell. So far I assumed it'= s just a convention > because in some countries this is the default and in some not. > I think we have a very short explanation in the Manual, but this never re= ally > explained why or what could go wrong. Maybe we could extend that. It=E2=80=99s a convention notably followed by Emacs=E2=80=99s =E2=80=98forw= ard-sentence=E2=80=99 function, and also a Texinfo thing (info "(texinfo) Not Ending a Sentence"). Hmm actually the Texinfo manual now suggests the opposite (i.e., that it needs help only for non-end-of-sentence spacing), but I wonder if it=E2=80= =99s accurate. Ludo=E2=80=99. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 06 16:37:57 2018 Received: (at 29943) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jan 2018 21:37:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38494 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eXwA9-0007q7-GV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 16:37:57 -0500 Received: from mail-io0-f175.google.com ([209.85.223.175]:33429) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eXwA8-0007pv-Bh for 29943@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 16:37:56 -0500 Received: by mail-io0-f175.google.com with SMTP id t63so9290553iod.0 for <29943@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 13:37:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3U2BR53xR+Cepd/NvQ+ng2xvImv/PPx0Ofa58sQYVyU=; b=L5c01HoUeztcO3zN3POJMEpGjBoaTX9BJwJGaMlpHOd2LsIp5E0BVPH4d0V0705+oE 8GGgLvv+x/rPor88xSey5NlHQUhxC5mAjL4WVpGYaS+8ZBBjiVkgVZb6vp5z0DX4mbiU HQJj0Whyam0VpN/HGzRHIAqB2w5EApFx4sdsCB1BvbjRlfHDHvqlVZ3uZg4aWqI7ziX+ lxAnnsh19cmA44V2z03ISx+hBY4wSSyyKMKmVlcrnNpiKM2ytU/AW8h4fvxTYLo1EKc5 E+/bzTa9ZX9O0aG7JvVtXPKNeWgvSy96Ufm+NNGGaOiU8k3yf9/D6gKGzX7hcunt5nHV U8eQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3U2BR53xR+Cepd/NvQ+ng2xvImv/PPx0Ofa58sQYVyU=; b=L4jyftFZRJEXEPoxW6r6QQ3D3iS9dPsRgn+NnQpMIUzYm1Uq6Juya/2I9aVjvje/dP YyiZKDklelG20Pbgrv1fao9iK3cTk91SideBMZ/grY7XVzFAc4uD0NlTEpm0sPeNWhJJ f6mrCKi/8WsTnNP4/wd9D2avx2Tta2pHqyon7yPkuKiaoYo8JQJbnnv+Kwc6P4qbeSiz d8qpRwFcvGK8//5bQjVvgvFd/gaWAYIGNMOZDaAElr0ZT0wwvHMn/qw+zp0p6tIdWWlS 7V4U0C+tKtDYXkVb9qMhWcbUKAv8yKHBA8trxrR7Mo0O0yjYRSCadT9hQtmZS3cjgi36 SadA== X-Gm-Message-State: AKwxytfxpU7VMMRVUgEu1iR+GWIUs4qBVQTphZrW3GqD276Og411q9cZ hLERs8AP/GOK5yrN9WayoHM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBos43wEglUYVf6/6j9SEhpUtiusnKjyrDSPq1nz5p3Wa8cI/fWCFOMHPvzmAVVeDXCt3EBk/dg== X-Received: by 10.107.222.4 with SMTP id v4mr7374006iog.203.1515274670707; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 13:37:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from apteryx ([45.72.203.157]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v65sm5148574itb.30.2018.01.06.13.37.49 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sat, 06 Jan 2018 13:37:50 -0800 (PST) From: Maxim Cournoyer To: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?=) Subject: Re: [bug#29943] [PATCH] doc: Describe Wayland status. References: <20180102131851.6dde5704@mykolab.com> <87608ft6lt.fsf@gnu.org> <20180106144308.bvkqqsp6vhj3d377@abyayala> <87h8rysouh.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 16:37:48 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87h8rysouh.fsf@gnu.org> ("Ludovic \=\?utf-8\?Q\?Court\=C3\=A8s\=22'\?\= \=\?utf-8\?Q\?s\?\= message of "Sat, 06 Jan 2018 21:40:22 +0100") Message-ID: <87r2r2ekib.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29943 Cc: 29943@debbugs.gnu.org, Rutger Helling , ng0 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Hello, ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Court=C3=A8s) writes: > ng0 skribis: > >> Ludovic Court=C3=A8s transcribed 1.3K bytes: > > [...] > >>> s/X11/the Xorg display server/ (in an attempt not to assume a too >>> technical audience.) >>>=20 >>> Also, please always put two spaces after an end-of-sentence period, to >>> ensure proper rendering. >> >> Under which conditions does this result in non-proper rendering? >> It's certainly not a Tex issue from what I can tell. So far I assumed it= 's just a convention >> because in some countries this is the default and in some not. >> I think we have a very short explanation in the Manual, but this never r= eally >> explained why or what could go wrong. Maybe we could extend that. > > It=E2=80=99s a convention notably followed by Emacs=E2=80=99s =E2=80=98fo= rward-sentence=E2=80=99 > function, and also a Texinfo thing (info "(texinfo) Not Ending a > Sentence"). > > Hmm actually the Texinfo manual now suggests the opposite (i.e., that it > needs help only for non-end-of-sentence spacing), but I wonder if it=E2= =80=99s > accurate. > > Ludo=E2=80=99. The old texinfo section that touched that subject was the "Multiple Spaces" node[0]: Ordinarily, TeX collapses multiple whitespace characters (space, tab, and newline) into a single space. (Info output, on the other hand, preserves whitespace as you type it, except for changing a newline into a space; this is why it is important to put two spaces at the end of sentences in Texinfo documents.) The current version of the Texinfo manual indeed drops this advice and includes a new section "12.3.4 '@frenchspacing' VAL: Control Sentence Spacing" where we can learn about a setting that controls the appearance of the end of sentence spacing in the *output* of Info. It seems that at this point the only reason to keep this convention is to accommodate Emacs, where the variable `sentence-end-double-space' is true by default and means that[1]: [...] a period followed by just one space does not count as the end of a sentence, and the filling functions avoid breaking the line at such a place. A justification for this is written in the Emacs manual[2]: If you want to use just one space between sentences, you can set the variable =E2=80=98sentence-end-double-space=E2=80=99 to =E2=80=98nil=E2= =80=99 to make the sentence commands stop for single spaces. However, this has a drawback: there is no way to distinguish between periods that end sentences and those that indicate abbreviations. For convenient and reliable editing, we therefore recommend you follow the two-space convention. The variable =E2=80=98sentence-end-double-space=E2=80=99 also affects f= illing (*note Fill Commands::). [0] https://docs.freebsd.org/info/texinfo/texinfo.info.Multiple_Spaces.html [1] (elisp)Standard Regexps [2] (emacs)Sentences I hope that clears up this up whys of this somewhat convention. Maxim From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 06 16:47:49 2018 Received: (at 29943) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jan 2018 21:47:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38516 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eXwJh-00084Y-6P for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 16:47:49 -0500 Received: from hera.aquilenet.fr ([185.233.100.1]:49232) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eXwJf-00084P-EI for 29943@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 16:47:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hera.aquilenet.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C61F10801; Sat, 6 Jan 2018 22:47:46 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at aquilenet.fr Received: from hera.aquilenet.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (hera.aquilenet.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vukVlqLzEL-j; Sat, 6 Jan 2018 22:47:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from ribbon (unknown [IPv6:2a01:e0a:1d:7270:af76:b9b:ca24:c465]) by hera.aquilenet.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BA63F107FD; Sat, 6 Jan 2018 22:47:43 +0100 (CET) From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?=) To: Maxim Cournoyer Subject: Re: [bug#29943] [PATCH] doc: Describe Wayland status. References: <20180102131851.6dde5704@mykolab.com> <87608ft6lt.fsf@gnu.org> <20180106144308.bvkqqsp6vhj3d377@abyayala> <87h8rysouh.fsf@gnu.org> <87r2r2ekib.fsf@gmail.com> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 17 =?utf-8?Q?Niv=C3=B4se?= an 226 de la =?utf-8?Q?R?= =?utf-8?Q?=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 22:47:42 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87r2r2ekib.fsf@gmail.com> (Maxim Cournoyer's message of "Sat, 06 Jan 2018 16:37:48 -0500") Message-ID: <87608eslq9.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29943 Cc: 29943@debbugs.gnu.org, Rutger Helling , ng0 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) Hi Maxim, Maxim Cournoyer skribis: > ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Court=C3=A8s) writes: [...] >>> Under which conditions does this result in non-proper rendering? >>> It's certainly not a Tex issue from what I can tell. So far I assumed i= t's just a convention >>> because in some countries this is the default and in some not. >>> I think we have a very short explanation in the Manual, but this never = really >>> explained why or what could go wrong. Maybe we could extend that. >> >> It=E2=80=99s a convention notably followed by Emacs=E2=80=99s =E2=80=98f= orward-sentence=E2=80=99 >> function, and also a Texinfo thing (info "(texinfo) Not Ending a >> Sentence"). >> >> Hmm actually the Texinfo manual now suggests the opposite (i.e., that it >> needs help only for non-end-of-sentence spacing), but I wonder if it=E2= =80=99s >> accurate. >> >> Ludo=E2=80=99. > > The old texinfo section that touched that subject was the "Multiple > Spaces" node[0]: > > Ordinarily, TeX collapses multiple whitespace characters (space, > tab, and newline) into a single space. (Info output, on the other > hand, preserves whitespace as you type it, except for changing a > newline into a space; this is why it is important to put two > spaces at the end of sentences in Texinfo documents.) > > The current version of the Texinfo manual indeed drops this advice and > includes a new section "12.3.4 '@frenchspacing' VAL: Control Sentence > Spacing" where we can learn about a setting that controls the appearance = of > the end of sentence spacing in the *output* of Info. > > It seems that at this point the only reason to keep this convention is > to accommodate Emacs, where the variable `sentence-end-double-space' is > true by default and means that[1]: > > [...] a period followed by just one space does not count as the end o= f a > sentence, and the filling functions avoid breaking the line at such > a place. > > A justification for this is written in the Emacs manual[2]: > > If you want to use just one space between sentences, you can set the > variable =E2=80=98sentence-end-double-space=E2=80=99 to =E2=80=98nil= =E2=80=99 to make the sentence > commands stop for single spaces. However, this has a drawback: > there is no way to distinguish between periods that end sentences > and those that indicate abbreviations. For convenient and reliable > editing, we therefore recommend you follow the two-space convention. > The variable =E2=80=98sentence-end-double-space=E2=80=99 also affects= filling (*note > Fill Commands::). > > [0] https://docs.freebsd.org/info/texinfo/texinfo.info.Multiple_Spaces.h= tml > [1] (elisp)Standard Regexps > [2] (emacs)Sentences Excellent, thanks for explaining! I pretty much agree with the Emacs explanation for that convention, but I admit this is often surprising to newcomers. Ludo=E2=80=99. From unknown Fri Jun 20 19:47:29 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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