From unknown Sun Jun 22 07:48:23 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#29671: FSF Emacs Printed Manual Resent-From: Andrew Epstein Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 03:45:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 29671 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 29671@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.151305026515521 (code B ref -1); Tue, 12 Dec 2017 03:45:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Dec 2017 03:44:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57557 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eObUX-00042G-1I for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 22:44:25 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47859) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eOZv9-0007qF-EU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 21:03:47 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eOZv3-0005h4-9T for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 21:03:42 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, HTML_MESSAGE,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:45852) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eOZv3-0005gq-6d for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 21:03:41 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38826) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eOZv2-0002JJ-21 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 21:03:40 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eOZv1-0005g2-8M for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 21:03:40 -0500 Received: from mail-qt0-x22f.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::22f]:46921) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eOZv1-0005fq-3Z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 21:03:39 -0500 Received: by mail-qt0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id r39so43693636qtr.13 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 18:03:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=IL3BanrEK9aLUL10M+XefoFXvtHaGFlfejCGBh+4s7U=; b=aTGmijITe+y9VdaGusBRUKjFaVe5JDxqnu23NL+U/xX9ApR35C2HIxPzNdtoAL79B4 zKO9JCYOkTKyKZ7EJlRzN47VGrPyxwGlIRJaMI+6klResNV84pe2NP96hzfs4jnOuAfI IubRuX5qTey6lYMkxv/oAcZjnYuSFfTHyVbd6epoyGcf8tfx7oOKBBEbnbHRJBGGJMmI lV1PamWGJs9QiOxiigZ/b+bQll/qb82/DtecD0j3lmi68oix2xSf2oIIbVhF6mpCnCQN KZphkFprubSVleh2Dm3Ot7PHYFz2kbO6NY82aNQcEwo0/aXg9n0Pqg6ZkPgE1IB5EyKB 89cw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=IL3BanrEK9aLUL10M+XefoFXvtHaGFlfejCGBh+4s7U=; b=eoCNvXC9bMipiXxO16H6ZG4eXU7ruweCG7NqfMTdnadK9ngPm+spmJ+fw1onkn7w+P sbb328BRlOhZeeWNtHR47pcZWpUGEUuigiw2nOA1mvM/A/dgs9Ltjpp9mpys7Td6XRaE h3/unjGKXLzC1ei+yJy4PqdvKXQHpFQ7ZkjVArLFFA27nybbqWpLR+WofxgmQYMjqPHg qWi9JsBxayNiLI0zylABuQTlrmSyqHn4wHAJg/6OjZtZl0Gk/T3GVaEGVvdOCniDRIPw ZsRY+KEu+Rb780wcp/ZmMdHycJMBzs72w4lT4WmQz3Ru6iZX/BtifGOKEKPDRZvTC1mR kJtA== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mIKUHlyCBqgOgrECsgzdpKfHag/0Adw557V816eO2VIEI4UBs48 phjxrqLeEcK6NNgLjUY50/FDe2ow6Nh3IdgQ1E/j2w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBotZaSk4OxFKp0hSInvecwGP84M07WDhSR7iegnOR9plWEwpLVu0hosen7oEfdEaJ1uNab8S3qSiNdVx1rcFXUc= X-Received: by 10.200.56.16 with SMTP id q16mr3455715qtb.223.1513044217968; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 18:03:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.200.35.216 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 18:03:37 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Epstein Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 21:03:37 -0500 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1139fcb2243df305601b0f38" X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 22:44:22 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) --001a1139fcb2243df305601b0f38 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hello, I was hoping to purchase GNU Emacs Manual printed version. I followed the link from this page: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/emacs.html to this page: http://shop.fsf.org/product/emacs-manual/ which then becomes this page: https://shop.fsf.org/books/gnu-emacs-manual-17th-edition-v-245 This is an error 403 / Access Denied link. I am unable to purchase the printed version and am reporting the broken link. 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Hello,

I was hoping to purchase GNU Emacs Manual printed version.

I followed the= link from this page:
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to this page:
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which then becomes this page:
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This is an error 403 = / Access Denied link.

I am unable= to purchase the printed version and am reporting the broken link.

Kind regar= ds,

Drew Epstein
--001a1139fcb2243df305601b0f38-- From unknown Sun Jun 22 07:48:23 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#29671: FSF Emacs Printed Manual Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 17:35:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 29671 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: sales@fsf.org Cc: Andrew Epstein , 29671@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 29671-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B29671.151310005221902 (code B ref 29671); Tue, 12 Dec 2017 17:35:02 +0000 Received: (at 29671) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Dec 2017 17:34:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58831 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eOoRY-0005hC-Kd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:34:12 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:37122) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eOoRW-0005h0-Vr for 29671@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:34:11 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eOoRQ-0003n7-NA for 29671@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:34:05 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:51695) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eOoRQ-0003n2-K3; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:34:04 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eOoRQ-00055G-53; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:34:04 -0500 From: Glenn Morris References: Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:34:04 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Andrew Epstein's message of "Mon, 11 Dec 2017 21:03:37 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Thanks for the report (included below). Nobody here at bug-gnu-emacs at gnu.org can do anything about shop.fsf.org. The best I can do is forward your report to sales at fsf.org. For context, the link: https://shop.fsf.org/product/emacs-manual appears in Emacs documentation and release announcements. If the manual is out of print (?), it would be good for this page to redirect to a page that says so, rather than a 403 forbidden error like it does now. Thanks. Andrew Epstein wrote: > Hello, > > I was hoping to purchase GNU Emacs Manual printed version. > > I followed the link from this page: > https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/emacs.html > > to this page: > http://shop.fsf.org/product/emacs-manual/ > > which then becomes this page: > https://shop.fsf.org/books/gnu-emacs-manual-17th-edition-v-245 > > This is an error 403 / Access Denied link. > > I am unable to purchase the printed version and am reporting the broken > link. > > Kind regards, > > Drew Epstein From unknown Sun Jun 22 07:48:23 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#29671: [gnu.org #1258934] Re: bug#29671: FSF Emacs Printed Manual Resent-From: "Matt Lavallee via RT" <> Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 16:34:05 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 29671 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Cc: trimix@gmail.com, 29671@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 29671-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B29671.151326923032432 (code B ref 29671); Thu, 14 Dec 2017 16:34:05 +0000 Received: (at 29671) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Dec 2017 16:33:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33954 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ePWSE-0008R2-70 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 11:33:50 -0500 Received: from rt2p.gnu.org ([74.94.156.212]:60288 helo=rt.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ePW6E-0007ru-E8 for 29671@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 11:11:06 -0500 Received: from www-data by rt.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ePW68-0002qo-P4; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 11:11:00 -0500 From: "Matt Lavallee via RT" <> In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: X-RT-Loop-Prevention: gnu.org X-RT-Ticket: gnu.org #1258934 X-Managed-BY: RT 4.2.13-5-gc649048 (http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/) X-RT-Originator: mattlav@fsf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-RT-Original-Encoding: utf-8 Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 11:11:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 3.8 (+++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello everyone - It's true that the GNU Emacs manual is presently out of print - the next edition is presently undergoing volunteer proofreading. Since I don't have any copies, I un-published the shop.fsf.org page for the book. Obviously this didn't do any good for the various links to that page, so I've since re-published the shop page (https://shop.fsf.org/books/gnu-emacs-manual-17th-edition-v-245) with a note about the progress of the next edition. 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Content preview: Hello everyone - It's true that the GNU Emacs manual is presently out of print - the next edition is presently undergoing volunteer proofreading. Since I don't have any copies, I un-published the shop.fsf.org page for the book. Obviously this didn't do any good for the various links to that page, so I've since re-published the shop page (https://shop.fsf.org/books/gnu-emacs-manual-17th-edition-v-245) with a note about the progress of the next edition. [...] Content analysis details: (3.8 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 2.6 FROM_NO_USER From: has no local-part before @ sign -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.2 MISSING_HEADERS Missing To: header Hello everyone - It's true that the GNU Emacs manual is presently out of print - the next edition is presently undergoing volunteer proofreading. Since I don't have any copies, I un-published the shop.fsf.org page for the book. Obviously this didn't do any good for the various links to that page, so I've since re-published the shop page (https://shop.fsf.org/books/gnu-emacs-manual-17th-edition-v-245) with a note about the progress of the next edition. Thanks for emailing and thank you for supporting the FSF - -- Matt Lavallee Operations assistant Free Software Foundation Join the FSF and help us defend software freedom: https://my.fsf.org/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 14 11:58:14 2017 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Dec 2017 16:58:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33967 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ePWpq-0000ZY-MD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 11:58:14 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:55998) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ePWpo-0000ZM-Qz for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 11:58:13 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ePWpi-0003Br-VP for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 11:58:07 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:34667) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ePWpi-0003Be-RM for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 11:58:06 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ePWpi-0000nC-Jl for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 11:58:06 -0500 Subject: control message for bug 29671 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.99.98) Message-Id: From: Glenn Morris Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 11:58:06 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) close 29671