From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:57:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#29598: 26.0; doc of `load-history' Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 05:56:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 29598 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 29598@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.15126261399012 (code B ref -1); Thu, 07 Dec 2017 05:56:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Dec 2017 05:55:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49754 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eMp9n-0002LI-1U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Dec 2017 00:55:39 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:36832) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eMp9l-0002L4-J3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Dec 2017 00:55:38 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eMp9f-0004Jy-Cn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Dec 2017 00:55:32 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,T_DKIM_INVALID, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:43408) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eMp9f-0004JU-96 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Dec 2017 00:55:31 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56029) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eMp9e-0001aH-31 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Dec 2017 00:55:30 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eMp9a-0004EI-NG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Dec 2017 00:55:30 -0500 Received: from userp2130.oracle.com ([156.151.31.86]:46742) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eMp9a-0004Dx-Dx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Dec 2017 00:55:26 -0500 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.21/8.16.0.21) with SMTP id vB75prbR148086 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 05:55:24 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : subject : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2017-10-26; bh=IANVec3ygl7DaaMW5GPsORlKYZrxsIRK577lIodDKi4=; b=mqcrcL8Fsa4dvndb741DKM+3rS5h86196t2JPjzIkVlA7k9+omN8jVxtwbRNqX361nkH lo5vwvDaw2MrDmtBC4Af4dB4n8OjHmEL8ud+RKfut2jHKUm35dEljK6tZxMXHcaJhoMH K3rs3nJWDpzKoDPVWK+6L54QOxAaPIKSJNKN6xyQWLivrN9YiVE02rGbC3FisyBLk8Ux 805thnNHHZOv3gAdX4cW5iyJ+W7qmKND1rAv/edo7RW2Y/gv6Oa4EzyLdgOBrE17bTYM A/n7+t4KAoh/zEJ0CfwsInsfn7rqujGlMs6isoSoLcBPqqGIQQBmcLe7d+hKkkxwe5cu JA== Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by userp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2epct9dpd0-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 07 Dec 2017 05:55:24 +0000 Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id vB75tOiw008459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 05:55:24 GMT Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id vB75tNBD010825 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 05:55:24 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 21:55:22 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4615.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8737 signatures=668643 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1709140000 definitions=main-1712070091 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Shouldn't the doc say something about the order of the elements of the alist? It's a history, but neither the Elisp manual nor the doc string mentions whether the beginning or the end of the list is the oldest part of the history of loads. In GNU Emacs 26.0.90 (build 3, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2017-10-13 Repository revision: 906224eba147bdfc0514090064e8e8f53160f1d4 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --without-dbus --host=3Dx86_64-w64-mingw32 --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static -g3'' From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:57:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#29598: 26.0; doc of `load-history' Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 10:49:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 29598 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 29598@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 29598-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B29598.15128165399593 (code B ref 29598); Sat, 09 Dec 2017 10:49:02 +0000 Received: (at 29598) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Dec 2017 10:48:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53152 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eNcgl-0002Uf-LX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 05:48:59 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50453) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eNcgk-0002UU-KT for 29598@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 05:48:58 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eNcga-0003yh-Gc for 29598@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 05:48:53 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59404) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eNcga-0003yX-Cl; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 05:48:48 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4303 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eNcgZ-0006hs-UA; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 05:48:48 -0500 Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 12:48:30 +0200 Message-Id: <837etwuqgx.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: (message from Drew Adams on Wed, 6 Dec 2017 21:55:22 -0800 (PST)) References: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 21:55:22 -0800 (PST) > From: Drew Adams > > Shouldn't the doc say something about the order of the elements of the > alist? It's a history, but neither the Elisp manual nor the doc string > mentions whether the beginning or the end of the list is the oldest part > of the history of loads. Since it's an alist, and every element should be there only once, why does the order matter? From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:57:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#29598: 26.0; doc of `load-history' Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 16:29:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 29598 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Cc: 29598@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 29598-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B29598.151283688515052 (code B ref 29598); Sat, 09 Dec 2017 16:29:02 +0000 Received: (at 29598) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Dec 2017 16:28:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54038 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eNhyv-0003ui-Gi for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 11:28:05 -0500 Received: from userp2130.oracle.com ([156.151.31.86]:36787) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eNhyt-0003uF-VA for 29598@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 11:28:04 -0500 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.21/8.16.0.21) with SMTP id vB9GMavp106470; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 16:27:57 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2017-10-26; bh=VKOeg6tGbAr6poI32Sw/GgD7aEKksXQ3aTt+iqeRqJM=; b=Mw77Ckq0vjIbdAYz2cbMMKwZ8mVORCsGAVmWleq5mjv6H/GUgdwyl/jah3YBz0a7y58r VSjEsdrLA/goDIGbgYyL7bTHDp+SmCEbPNsd5Ym5Bgg7WI1w9urZVwMp2lGOr57MgV3t mPIY3bSqRHJNAAkugVhywuyrB8d72nPyUzcFcYcSEHZalqRyNEdz7WLLSVOeRZgybvpA 0MxU7T+6uel6dj1WT1uZp2p71SepvJVILqD+XSvBLZ82YJvQAoFr47tKsUB1M5ACLbjJ W2jcfY8mTxr9uHLoUIsbt0E6wuZMJ9sqp5P0OVHFvf/G+dRjGU1UzjaV1/rVOOp9WVLz uA== Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by userp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2erk6nr0dy-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 09 Dec 2017 16:27:57 +0000 Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id vB9GRufZ010401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Dec 2017 16:27:56 GMT Received: from abhmp0002.oracle.com (abhmp0002.oracle.com [141.146.116.8]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id vB9GRtEk014204; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 16:27:56 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <664c0075-fab4-4127-800e-eaaeec42002f@default> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 08:27:54 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams References: <> <<837etwuqgx.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<837etwuqgx.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4627.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8739 signatures=668644 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=700 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1711220000 definitions=main-1712090236 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) > > Shouldn't the doc say something about the order of the elements of the > > alist? It's a history, but neither the Elisp manual nor the doc string > > mentions whether the beginning or the end of the list is the oldest > > part of the history of loads. >=20 > Since it's an alist, and every element should be there only once, why > does the order matter? Because it's a history? We already tell users, by using that name, that it is chronological. What we don't tell them is which chronological order is used. If someone is looking for something, it helps to know whether the list order is old-to-new or new-to-old. And if someone locates something of interest in the list it helps to know whether it is the stuff that comes before or after it that was loaded when it got loaded. Is there some reason not to mention the order? We do, after all, bother to call it `*-history'. From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:57:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#29598: 26.0; doc of `load-history' Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 12:54:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 29598 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Kangas , 29598@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 29598-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B29598.15978416401278 (code B ref 29598); Wed, 19 Aug 2020 12:54:02 +0000 Received: (at 29598) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Aug 2020 12:54:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38525 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k8NbL-0000KX-S5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 08:54:00 -0400 Received: from aserp2120.oracle.com ([141.146.126.78]:38798) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k8NbK-0000KE-1W for 29598@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 08:53:58 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 07JCpSHp079852; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 12:53:51 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=TvQdQ2pMxGAH2+99YRFD9BQDfCtzr0RSnOLkGzbPHYQ=; b=ig6kOe1DR9hhu2xPBY6Hfo1j/pgzoE4DgA4z7MQpVtyfqw8wgz6v+d3Wdkx1yDfwKXSm yiOujCkt32wPXNzbaZASuVhwq7+3DvbPlTrQPEUlidFgiWM2XmXFT7+Uent5hHdmmQhW YFtnrUTubParFsw5Ic94zlYHPsPHmfGFazKRyq8c9apuS+mT2asvNXBqOOr8hpzqnhWm KgchwnMhWcoF+nI1Rsnv+4vfCaxdZn2XtbjXHcGK+fW2ATQY7Vi09pzxdSZ/MQHLqLUV W50gsp8gQHTM5+PAZAg6LVQM3IiD+KF8XNNA7xLlzl1LomfdKmGKeArCsVSqxirbw2z9 0Q== Received: from userp3020.oracle.com (userp3020.oracle.com [156.151.31.79]) by aserp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 32x7nmje9d-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Aug 2020 12:53:51 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (userp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 07JCmHIV063508; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 12:53:51 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by userp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 32xsfta23p-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Aug 2020 12:53:50 +0000 Received: from abhmp0003.oracle.com (abhmp0003.oracle.com [141.146.116.9]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 07JCrnec022457; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 12:53:50 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 05:53:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: > <837etwuqgx.fsf@gnu.org>> <664c0075-fab4-4127-800e-eaaeec42002f@default> In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.5017.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9717 signatures=668679 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=999 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 mlxscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2008190112 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9717 signatures=668679 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 spamscore=0 impostorscore=0 priorityscore=1501 adultscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 lowpriorityscore=0 bulkscore=0 phishscore=0 malwarescore=0 clxscore=1011 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2008190113 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > >> > Shouldn't the doc say something about the order of the elements of t= he > >> > alist? It's a history, but neither the Elisp manual nor the doc str= ing > >> > mentions whether the beginning or the end of the list is the oldest > >> > part of the history of loads. > >> > >> Since it's an alist, and every element should be there only once, why > >> does the order matter? > > > > Because it's a history? We already tell users, by using > > that name, that it is chronological. What we don't tell > > them is which chronological order is used. > > > > If someone is looking for something, it helps to know whether > > the list order is old-to-new or new-to-old. And if someone > > locates something of interest in the list it helps to know > > whether it is the stuff that comes before or after it that > > was loaded when it got loaded. > > > > Is there some reason not to mention the order? We do, after > > all, bother to call it `*-history'. >=20 > Do you have a use-case in mind here? If we mention the order, we would > need to follow that in the future, whereas if we don't we could > potentially change it. So unless there is a concrete need to document > it, isn't it better to just avoid it? I really don't understand this hesitation. The use case is described above. Users have a chronological list. Why would we _not_ want to tell them which direction the list goes? That's not obvious. If at some future point Emacs changes the behavior (it never has), then we would, hopefully, document the new order. This is a very minor doc request, asking for a word or two. From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:57:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#29598: 26.0; doc of `load-history' Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 02:32:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 29598 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 29598@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 29598-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B29598.16037659135980 (code B ref 29598); Tue, 27 Oct 2020 02:32:02 +0000 Received: (at 29598) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Oct 2020 02:31:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42262 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kXEm8-0001YC-O9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 22:31:53 -0400 Received: from mail-ed1-f45.google.com ([209.85.208.45]:33591) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kXEm6-0001TJ-E3 for 29598@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 22:31:50 -0400 Received: by mail-ed1-f45.google.com with SMTP id w23so12136754edl.0 for <29598@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 19:31:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=SI6IFyO0CnGVTL2kOrEIXfbaNGq36xNuLzm7FIyta2U=; b=e4VOihTx/MDuOE24Jl0QHcHchX0cQVfx742Mz/YcMtKhiqD8R14r3XFW+/CKw7isp6 XqgKGsREQyckW7oUpZpce/7xyFc+3r35VAlchfxqGPp0kyZwJs7aD3PfDjAOBsEQcb3V Fd8Q2nFhB+utwkXZeTWALs2vrh45OMDDbYyLUXa/WeGPMWjfWhV5RsRR67tNeqtz75yu /3StR/KfRWbncUeC/Mh0NmsP4Ut6d8bRbf3/G/3nai3RHC9QT3UIKd4PyxCAZ9/xQL5O Rr2G+8MN+A+WzIRRliWmcW01WTFL9nwR79e+/9QjpIDuyScvRSe08bYOp7KREOgMQ2Rd HOGQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532tg+S0hkIPEV5gFAVf7BIlWNtOaeVvdnN0hPfl71Zw0mpB5PUJ +wpc+qKVSWTTyH0GabOQyqkM5xFq2pxkZOQKc3U= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwLASOjIpyhOVW2JaJY6FajteN2D44T5CrmOEShfG/ocA7M57r61QrbL9RoKXGwra+w7cQgfM7pOKSeAi5wUOE= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:3133:: with SMTP id dd19mr42834edb.100.1603765904738; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 19:31:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 19:31:44 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <664c0075-fab4-4127-800e-eaaeec42002f@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 9 Dec 2017 08:27:54 -0800 (PST)") References: > <837etwuqgx.fsf@gnu.org>> <664c0075-fab4-4127-800e-eaaeec42002f@default> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 19:31:44 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Drew Adams writes: >> > Shouldn't the doc say something about the order of the elements of the >> > alist? It's a history, but neither the Elisp manual nor the doc string >> > mentions whether the beginning or the end of the list is the oldest >> > part of the history of loads. >> >> Since it's an alist, and every element should be there only once, why >> does the order matter? > > Because it's a history? We already tell users, by using > that name, that it is chronological. What we don't tell > them is which chronological order is used. > > If someone is looking for something, it helps to know whether > the list order is old-to-new or new-to-old. And if someone > locates something of interest in the list it helps to know > whether it is the stuff that comes before or after it that > was loaded when it got loaded. > > Is there some reason not to mention the order? We do, after > all, bother to call it `*-history'. I agree that this doesn't sound useful to document the order, in general. It's as likely to confuse as to help, especially if there is we can't even think of a concrete use case for this. Also, if we document it, we sort of make a promise to our users that it won't change. And there doesn't seem to exist any good reason to do that. So I think this should better be closed as wontfix. 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