From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:12:54 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#2956 <2956@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#2956 <2956@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 23.0.92; anything.el causes BSOD on vista64 dual-processor Reply-To: bug#2956 <2956@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2025 14:12:54 +0000 retitle 2956 23.0.92; anything.el causes BSOD on vista64 dual-processor reassign 2956 emacs,w32 submitter 2956 Erik Charlebois severity 2956 normal thanks From erikcharlebois@gmail.com Fri Apr 10 17:09:26 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 11 Apr 2009 00:09:26 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.1 required=4.0 tests=FOURLA,GMAIL,MULTALT autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n3B09MZU004105 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:09:23 -0700 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:33361) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LsQmf-0005Kz-N9 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 20:09:21 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LsQme-0004PY-JE for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 20:09:21 -0400 Received: from mail-gx0-f208.google.com ([209.85.217.208]:60324) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LsQme-0004PQ-5x for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 20:09:20 -0400 Received: by gxk4 with SMTP id 4so3042120gxk.18 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:09:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=4vEeMLZe7qMylg8DknU0smcCDq9O+hyx5nTBD/SZ2wE=; b=ShA+QwSB3jGqv6gzX1EUXZ7c7/QhpcS5sejTqqBamKSR85uXJhcvCPemjTh5Dt7vJr p4FoXzyk4On4enKVCdFBWhISneLfMWM3w5AuKkrq8dva3d6iQnCtkWao0j39N6g7tFGV YrURyF6bPnBiQx9dOnUZyLdGg8M2ElRMWul1g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=OhBbDPpPlg4Rxoc1wcvYrAqeadwEwU7Gg8NYcWlCxr4f4DMbxb4oLdhOwr0WOJiMgp 5FiYfoKR9fpvUVZIt+X2y6FZ1kGmZxuItCkbvJQiqyzFvxrgAiusqrchSfJjwjRSqjbe +MrepiJecsfz8O4bz/VUibOwCVkZlFbgKdl2g= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.44.15 with SMTP id w15mr7649904ybj.155.1239408559214; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:09:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:09:19 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: 23.0.92; anything.el causes BSOD on vista64 dual-processor From: Erik Charlebois To: "emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151750dbe2e74f8804673c4a24 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) --00151750dbe2e74f8804673c4a24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Running "M-x anything" with anything.el, then pressing tab and enter causes Vista 64 to BSOD with a "Second processor failed to respond to clock interrupt in time" error. I am running on a dual quad-core system. I have hit this problem in ERC as well, so I know it is not related entirely to anything.el. It is simply easier to reproduce consistently on anything.el. This problem does not occur with 22.3. (As a software developer myself, I understand how ridiculously esoteric this bug is and that the OS shouldn't panic from a user-land process. I understand if this doesn't get fixed. I thought I'd report it anyway. If I can help provide more information (maybe there is some triage of version 23 features I could do, given the option names), feel free to ask (erikcharlebois@gmail.com).) In GNU Emacs 23.0.92.1 (i386-mingw-nt6.0.6001) of 2009-03-30 on SOFT-MJASON Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.0.6001 configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4)' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: ENU value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: cp1252 default-enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Lisp Interaction Minor modes in effect: yas/minor-mode: t desktop-save-mode: t savehist-mode: t show-paren-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t global-auto-composition-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: M-x g C-g M-x e m a c s - r e p o r t - e m Recent messages: Building completion list of all manual topics... Loading c:/Users/Erik Charlebois/.emacs.d/kuler-colors.el (source)...done Loading c:/Users/Erik Charlebois/.emacs.d/cedet-1.0pre6/common/cedet.el (source)... Outdated speedbar 1.0 shadowed to meet minimum version 1.0.2 Setting up CEDET packages... Loading `dframe': old-style backquotes detected! Setting up CEDET packages...done Loading c:/Users/Erik Charlebois/.emacs.d/cedet-1.0pre6/common/cedet.el (source)...done No desktop file. For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. Quit -- Erik Charlebois --00151750dbe2e74f8804673c4a24 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Running "M-x anything" with = anything.el, then=20 pressing tab and enter
causes Vista 64 to BSOD with a "Second proce= ssor=20 failed to respond to
clock interrupt in time" error. I am running o= n a dual=20 quad-core system.
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I have hit this problem in ERC as well= , so I know=20 it is not related
entirely to anything.el. It is simply easier to reprod= uce=20 consistently
on anything.el. This problem does not occur with=20 22.3.
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(As a software developer myself, I und= erstand how=20 ridiculously esoteric
this bug is and that the OS shouldn't panic fr= om a=20 user-land process. I
understand if this doesn't get fixed. I thought= I'd=20 report it anyway.
If I can help provide more information (maybe there is= some=20 triage of
version 23 features I could do, given the option names), feel = free=20 to
ask (erikcharlebois@gmail= .com).)
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In GNU Emacs 23.0.92.1 (i386-mingw-nt6.0.6001)
=A0of 2009-03-30= on=20 SOFT-MJASON
Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version= =20 6.0.6001
configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4)'
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=A0 value of $LC_CTYPE: nil
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<backspace> <backspace>= =20 <backspace> r e p o r t - e
m <tab> <return>
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Loading c:/Users/Erik Charlebois/.emacs.d/kuler-colors.el=20 (source)...done
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Outdated= =20 speedbar 1.0 shadowed to meet minimum version 1.0.2
Setting up CEDET=20 packages...
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Erik Charlebois
--00151750dbe2e74f8804673c4a24-- From rgm@gnu.org Fri Apr 10 19:01:43 2009 Received: (at control) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 11 Apr 2009 02:01:43 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=4.0 tests=FOURLA,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, XIRONPORT autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com (ironport2-out.pppoe.ca [206.248.154.182]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n3BCtce9022828 for <2956@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 05:55:39 -0700 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvcFAHow4ElLd+7D/2dsb2JhbACBUsgWg3wGhRU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,171,1238990400"; d="scan'208";a="36896504" Received: from 75-119-238-195.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([75.119.238.195]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 11 Apr 2009 08:55:33 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 02CFE83B6; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 08:55:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Erik Charlebois Cc: 2956@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#2956: 23.0.92; anything.el causes BSOD on vista64 dual-processor Message-ID: References: Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 08:55:32 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Erik Charlebois's message of "Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:09:19 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Running "M-x anything" with anything.el, then pressing tab and enter > causes Vista 64 to BSOD with a "Second processor failed to respond to > clock interrupt in time" error. I am running on a dual quad-core system. That's clearly a bug in Vista rather than in Emacs, so there's nothing for us to fix. A good fix for you would be to upgrade to a Free operating system. Stefan From eliz@gnu.org Sat Apr 11 07:00:58 2009 Received: (at 2956) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 11 Apr 2009 14:00:58 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=4.0 tests=FOURLA,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mtaout5.012.net.il (mtaout5.012.net.il [84.95.2.13]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n3BE0sXh007360 for <2956@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 07:00:56 -0700 Received: from conversion-daemon.i_mtaout5.012.net.il by i_mtaout5.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) id <0KHX00B00W6PKW00@i_mtaout5.012.net.il> for 2956@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 17:00:47 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.229.240.185]) by i_mtaout5.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) with ESMTPA id <0KHX00HLLW9A6Z70@i_mtaout5.012.net.il>; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 17:00:47 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 17:00:49 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#2956: 23.0.92; anything.el causes BSOD on vista64 dual-processor In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Stefan Monnier , 2956@debbugs.gnu.org Cc: erikcharlebois@gmail.com Reply-to: Eli Zaretskii Message-id: <83fxgfmgry.fsf@gnu.org> References: > From: Stefan Monnier > Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 08:55:32 -0400 > Cc: 2956@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com > > > Running "M-x anything" with anything.el, then pressing tab and enter > > causes Vista 64 to BSOD with a "Second processor failed to respond to > > clock interrupt in time" error. I am running on a dual quad-core system. > > That's clearly a bug in Vista rather than in Emacs, so there's nothing > for us to fix. The fact (if it is a fact) that a problem manifests itself only on Vista does not necessarily mean there's no bug in Emacs, especially since the variety of different systems on which Emacs is routinely tested is so small. Some positive evidence is required to deduce that the bug is in the underlying OS. Do you have such an evidence? From whitebox@nefkom.net Sat Apr 11 07:39:11 2009 Received: (at 2956) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 11 Apr 2009 14:39:11 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=4.0 tests=FOURLA,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net (mail-out.m-online.net [212.18.0.9]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n3BEd7JM016698 for <2956@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 07:39:09 -0700 Received: from mail01.m-online.net (mail.m-online.net [192.168.3.149]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E25CE1C152D1; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:42:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (dynscan2.mnet-online.de [192.168.1.215]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE69D9037C; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:39:01 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.3.149]) by localhost (dynscan2.mnet-online.de [192.168.1.215]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8NDEidKu6SFx; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:39:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from igel.home (DSL01.83.171.177.142.ip-pool.NEFkom.net [83.171.177.142]) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTP; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:39:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 501) id 6E6EA10D76D; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:39:00 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 2956@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier , erikcharlebois@gmail.com Subject: Re: bug#2956: 23.0.92; anything.el causes BSOD on vista64 dual-processor References: <83fxgfmgry.fsf@gnu.org> X-Yow: I am deeply CONCERNED and I want something GOOD for BREAKFAST! Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:39:00 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83fxgfmgry.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 11 Apr 2009 17:00:49 +0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Eli Zaretskii writes: > The fact (if it is a fact) that a problem manifests itself only on > Vista does not necessarily mean there's no bug in Emacs, especially > since the variety of different systems on which Emacs is routinely > tested is so small. Some positive evidence is required to deduce that > the bug is in the underlying OS. Do you have such an evidence? An unprivileged process able to crash the OS is always a bug in the OS. This is independent of whether there is a workaround. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From eliz@gnu.org Sat Apr 11 08:49:21 2009 Received: (at 2956) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 11 Apr 2009 15:49:21 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=4.0 tests=FOURLA,GMAIL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mtaout2.012.net.il (mtaout2.012.net.il [84.95.2.4]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n3BFnGdQ002244 for <2956@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 08:49:18 -0700 Received: from conversion-daemon.i_mtaout2.012.net.il by i_mtaout2.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) id <0KHY00D001484L00@i_mtaout2.012.net.il> for 2956@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:49:10 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.229.240.185]) by i_mtaout2.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) with ESMTPA id <0KHY008EV19XZZ10@i_mtaout2.012.net.il>; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:49:10 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:49:12 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#2956: 23.0.92; anything.el causes BSOD on vista64 dual-processor In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Andreas Schwab Cc: 2956@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, erikcharlebois@gmail.com Reply-to: Eli Zaretskii Message-id: <83ab6np4w7.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83fxgfmgry.fsf@gnu.org> > From: Andreas Schwab > Cc: 2956@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com, Stefan Monnier , erikcharlebois@gmail.com > Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:39:00 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > The fact (if it is a fact) that a problem manifests itself only on > > Vista does not necessarily mean there's no bug in Emacs, especially > > since the variety of different systems on which Emacs is routinely > > tested is so small. Some positive evidence is required to deduce that > > the bug is in the underlying OS. Do you have such an evidence? > > An unprivileged process able to crash the OS is always a bug in the OS. Please re-read what I wrote: I also said that this doesn't necessarily mean there's no bug in Emacs. And when I wrote about some positive evidence that the bug is in the OS, I really meant to say ``the bug is ONLY in the OS''. We don't care about Vista bugs here, but I think we do care about Emacs. From whitebox@nefkom.net Sat Apr 11 09:28:40 2009 Received: (at 2956) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 11 Apr 2009 16:28:40 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=4.0 tests=FOURLA,GMAIL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net (mail-out.m-online.net [212.18.0.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n3BGSabh012782 for <2956@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:28:38 -0700 Received: from mail01.m-online.net (mail.m-online.net [192.168.3.149]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 953B11C0010E; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:28:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (dynscan2.mnet-online.de [192.168.1.215]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91322903B4; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:28:35 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.3.149]) by localhost (dynscan2.mnet-online.de [192.168.1.215]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ChG2X5eoEyCr; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:28:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from igel.home (DSL01.83.171.177.142.ip-pool.NEFkom.net [83.171.177.142]) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTP; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:28:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 501) id 3482310D900; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:28:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 2956@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, erikcharlebois@gmail.com Subject: Re: bug#2956: 23.0.92; anything.el causes BSOD on vista64 dual-processor References: <83fxgfmgry.fsf@gnu.org> <83ab6np4w7.fsf@gnu.org> X-Yow: I'm gliding over a NUCLEAR WASTE DUMP near ATLANTA, Georgia!! Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:28:32 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83ab6np4w7.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:49:12 +0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Andreas Schwab >> Cc: 2956@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com, Stefan Monnier , erikcharlebois@gmail.com >> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:39:00 +0200 >> >> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> >> > The fact (if it is a fact) that a problem manifests itself only on >> > Vista does not necessarily mean there's no bug in Emacs, especially >> > since the variety of different systems on which Emacs is routinely >> > tested is so small. Some positive evidence is required to deduce that >> > the bug is in the underlying OS. Do you have such an evidence? >> >> An unprivileged process able to crash the OS is always a bug in the OS. > > Please re-read what I wrote: I also said that this doesn't necessarily > mean there's no bug in Emacs. Please re-read what I wrote: I also said that this is independent of whether there is a workaround. An unprivileged process must _never_ be able to crash the OS. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From lennart.borgman@gmail.com Sat Apr 11 09:58:46 2009 Received: (at 2956) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 11 Apr 2009 16:58:47 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=4.0 tests=FOURLA,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mail-bw0-f157.google.com (mail-bw0-f157.google.com [209.85.218.157]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n3BGwhVl020110 for <2956@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:58:44 -0700 Received: by bwz1 with SMTP id 1so2123501bwz.1 for <2956@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:58:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=4iH3n6drrwOi4ksxyehUNbjoOCYAl8fZITRIlSrd3WA=; b=ujt9CitLIGnWylgXfep880cS8IHVnPQqEBgzT++qCyEF6x6yPApEL4cZiTpEyZTWtJ NJ72o/eUNOlCbqW76F7Tq7UHmOGVvADU0yG4YojEXkZVRJ8LePLr4pY750exT21zxMKj /CgC+h237N3C5VV1G2XeVAfO9SobYCvwqf3uc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=YSVGNz4pQRl/kis4PKe8tRuNic2SESVZ9wzXBEJqbixFG+j4fjTQVAOP1EEJrA+wva QYYat0opKbQLxfwIt7V71ISwAV6iumbqDPXGqb/M6cc+VtNshyQjaE+ukXhUNKPKWK0Z z8jmbg/5o/J6kCDG//zMgm3nX3ZWZqt/WlS/E= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.107.68 with SMTP id a4mr1332742fap.44.1239469117333; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:58:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <83fxgfmgry.fsf@gnu.org> <83ab6np4w7.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:58:37 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#2956: 23.0.92; anything.el causes BSOD on vista64 dual-processor From: Lennart Borgman To: Andreas Schwab , 2956@debbugs.gnu.org Cc: Eli Zaretskii , erikcharlebois@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 6:28 PM, Andreas Schwab wro= te: > Please re-read what I wrote: I also said that this is independent of > whether there is a workaround. =C2=A0An unprivileged process must _never_= be > able to crash the OS. Excuse me, I did not follow, but was the Emacs process unprivileged? From eliz@gnu.org Sat Apr 11 11:11:16 2009 Received: (at 2956) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 11 Apr 2009 18:11:16 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=4.0 tests=FOURLA,GMAIL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mtaout3.012.net.il (mtaout3.012.net.il [84.95.2.7]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n3BIBCUK007845 for <2956@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 11:11:13 -0700 Received: from conversion-daemon.i_mtaout3.012.net.il by i_mtaout3.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) id <0KHY00K007O8TX00@i_mtaout3.012.net.il> for 2956@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 21:11:06 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.229.240.185]) by i_mtaout3.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) with ESMTPA id <0KHY001D97UG4OA0@i_mtaout3.012.net.il>; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 21:11:06 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 21:11:08 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#2956: 23.0.92; anything.el causes BSOD on vista64 dual-processor In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Andreas Schwab Cc: 2956@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, erikcharlebois@gmail.com Reply-to: Eli Zaretskii Message-id: <831vrzoybn.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83fxgfmgry.fsf@gnu.org> <83ab6np4w7.fsf@gnu.org> > From: Andreas Schwab > Cc: 2956@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, erikcharlebois@gmail.com > Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:28:32 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > An unprivileged process must _never_ be able to crash the OS. Right, but that's irrelevant to the Emacs bug tracker. From monnier@iro.umontreal.ca Sat Apr 11 11:31:35 2009 Received: (at 2956-done) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 11 Apr 2009 18:31:35 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=4.0 tests=FOURLA,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, XIRONPORT autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com (ironport2-out.teksavvy.com [206.248.154.182]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n3BIVWHF012815 for <2956-done@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 11:31:33 -0700 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArEEAP5+4ElLd+7D/2dsb2JhbACBUcd4g3wGhRY X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,172,1238990400"; d="scan'208";a="36905783" Received: from 75-119-238-195.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([75.119.238.195]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 11 Apr 2009 14:31:26 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 42F4582F5; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 14:31:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 2956-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#2956: 23.0.92; anything.el causes BSOD on vista64 dual-processor Message-ID: References: <83fxgfmgry.fsf@gnu.org> <83ab6np4w7.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 14:31:26 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83ab6np4w7.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:49:12 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> > The fact (if it is a fact) that a problem manifests itself only on >> > Vista does not necessarily mean there's no bug in Emacs, especially >> > since the variety of different systems on which Emacs is routinely >> > tested is so small. Some positive evidence is required to deduce that >> > the bug is in the underlying OS. Do you have such an evidence? >> An unprivileged process able to crash the OS is always a bug in the OS. > Please re-read what I wrote: I also said that this doesn't necessarily > mean there's no bug in Emacs. We know for a fact that there are many bugs in Emacs, so there's no risk of me thinking that "there's no bug in Emacs" ;-) > We don't care about Vista bugs here, but I think we do care about Emacs. Indeed. But he described a bug in Vista, which happens to appear to be triggered by something in Emacs. Since we don't know what is that thing in Emacs that triggers the bug, we can't even decide if it's itself a bug or not. We have plenty of real confirmed bugs not to worry about this one until Vista gets fixed. And I already mentioned a good "fix". Stefan From eliz@gnu.org Sat Apr 11 12:11:35 2009 Received: (at 2956) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 11 Apr 2009 19:11:35 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=4.0 tests=FOURLA,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mtaout1.012.net.il (mtaout1.012.net.il [84.95.2.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n3BJBVdh023415 for <2956@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 12:11:32 -0700 Received: from conversion-daemon.i-mtaout1.012.net.il by i-mtaout1.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0KHY00700ADWKW00@i-mtaout1.012.net.il> for 2956@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 22:09:53 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.229.240.185]) by i-mtaout1.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0KHY008FCAKGBF00@i-mtaout1.012.net.il>; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 22:09:53 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 22:09:56 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#2956: 23.0.92; anything.el causes BSOD on vista64 dual-processor In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Stefan Monnier Cc: 2956@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-to: Eli Zaretskii Message-id: <83y6u7nh17.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83fxgfmgry.fsf@gnu.org> <83ab6np4w7.fsf@gnu.org> > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: 2956-done@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com > Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 14:31:26 -0400 > > > We don't care about Vista bugs here, but I think we do care about Emacs. > > Indeed. But he described a bug in Vista, which happens to appear to be > triggered by something in Emacs. That something could very well be a bug. So I think marking this bug "done" is waaaay too far-fetched. From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:12:54 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: $requester Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 14:24:15 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # A New Hope # A log time ago, in a galaxy far, far away # something happened. # # Magically this resulted in the following # action being taken, but this fake control # message doesn't tell you why it happened # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator