From unknown Tue Aug 19 05:11:09 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#2949 <2949@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#2949 <2949@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 23.0.92; font-info incompatible across Emacs versions Reply-To: bug#2949 <2949@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2025 12:11:09 +0000 retitle 2949 23.0.92; font-info incompatible across Emacs versions reassign 2949 emacs submitter 2949 "Drew Adams" severity 2949 normal thanks From drew.adams@oracle.com Fri Apr 10 08:45:00 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 10 Apr 2009 15:45:01 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=4.0 tests=FOURLA autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n3AFiwxL016111 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 08:44:59 -0700 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:57475 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LsIuX-00066q-Dt for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:44:57 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LsIuW-0001D0-1H for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:44:57 -0400 Received: from rcsinet13.oracle.com ([148.87.113.125]:56774 helo=rgminet13.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LsIuV-0001Cc-Ks for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:44:55 -0400 Received: from rgminet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by rgminet13.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n3AFiuSU023306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:44:57 GMT Received: from acsmt704.oracle.com (acsmt704.oracle.com [141.146.40.82]) by rgminet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n3AFiu0Y009180 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:44:57 GMT Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.72.122) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 08:44:48 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 23.0.92; font-info incompatible across Emacs versions Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 08:44:50 -0700 Message-ID: <005201c9b9f3$4925df20$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: Acm580hkduaIReuWRTuvfPAx3hrmFg== X-Source-IP: acsmt704.oracle.com [141.146.40.82] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A010202.49DF6972.0198:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) Function `font-info', on which several other functions are based, changed its return value sometime after Emacs 20. The CHARSET entry was removed. In Emacs 20, `font-info' returns an array like this: ["-*-Lucida Console-normal-r-*-*-14-112-96-96-c-*-iso8859-1" "-*-Lucida Console-normal-r-*-*-14-105-96-96-c-*-iso8859-1" ascii 8 14 0 0 0] In Emacs 22 and later, it returns an array like this: ["-*-Lucida Console-normal-r-*-*-14-112-96-96-c-*-iso8859-1" "-*-Lucida Console-normal-r-*-*-14-105-96-96-c-*-iso8859-1" 8 14 0 0 0] This breaks any code that tries to use the result with different Emacs versions. In GNU Emacs 23.0.92.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2009-03-30 on SOFT-MJASON Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4)' From miles@gnu.org Sat Apr 11 10:26:11 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 11 Apr 2009 17:26:12 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=4.0 tests=HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=unavailable version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n3BHQ8Ij028203 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:26:10 -0700 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:39596 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Lsgy0-0002Nn-2w for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:26:08 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Lsgxy-0005xP-N3 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:26:07 -0400 Received: from smtp11.dentaku.gol.com ([203.216.5.73]:48150) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Lsgxx-0005wN-R2; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:26:06 -0400 Received: from 218.231.175.90.eo.eaccess.ne.jp ([218.231.175.90] helo=catnip.gol.com) by smtp11.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) id 1Lsgxu-0003Oy-6F; Sun, 12 Apr 2009 02:26:02 +0900 Received: by catnip.gol.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 56AACDFA6; Sun, 12 Apr 2009 02:26:01 +0900 (JST) From: Miles Bader To: Drew Adams Cc: 2949@debbugs.gnu.org, Subject: Re: bug#2949: 23.0.92; font-info incompatible across Emacs versions References: Reply-To: Miles Bader System-Type: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 02:26:01 +0900 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 10 Apr 2009 08:44:50 -0700") Message-ID: <87ws9rqeza.fsf@catnip.gol.com> Lines: 19 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-CrossAssassin-Score: 2 "Drew Adams" writes: > In Emacs 20, `font-info' returns an array like this: ... > In Emacs 22 and later, it returns an array like this: ... > This breaks any code that tries to use the result with different Emacs versions. So.... what exactly do you want to happen? The two formats look easy enough to distinguish. Since the change occurred in 22, it's been widely released, so obviously 3rd-party code simply has to be prepared to deal with it (if they care about 21 and older versions), and there's little point in changing it back now. -Miles -- Education, n. That which discloses to the wise and disguises from the foolish their lack of understanding. From drew.adams@oracle.com Sat Apr 11 10:44:11 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 11 Apr 2009 17:44:11 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=4.0 tests=FOURLA,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=unavailable version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n3BHi8v6032024 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:44:09 -0700 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:40862) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LshFP-0002wB-Dq for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:44:07 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LshFN-0001vX-Ju for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:44:06 -0400 Received: from acsinet11.oracle.com ([141.146.126.233]:43597) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LshFM-0001sh-MD; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:44:05 -0400 Received: from acsinet13.oracle.com (acsinet13.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by acsinet11.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n3BHiwnb008439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Apr 2009 17:45:00 GMT Received: from acsmt701.oracle.com (acsmt701.oracle.com [141.146.40.71]) by acsinet13.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n3BHi7IS010269; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 17:44:09 GMT Received: from dradamslap1 (/98.210.250.59) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:43:39 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Miles Bader'" Cc: <2949@debbugs.gnu.org>, References: <87ws9rqeza.fsf@catnip.gol.com> Subject: RE: bug#2949: 23.0.92; font-info incompatible across Emacs versions Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:43:52 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c9bacd$14ef5120$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87ws9rqeza.fsf@catnip.gol.com> Thread-Index: Acm6ysPsJE7UDgcIQPSaElLPN7GgVgAAXQzg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Source-IP: acsmt701.oracle.com [141.146.40.71] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090202.49E0D6CE.0029:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) > > In Emacs 20, `font-info' returns an array like this: ... > > In Emacs 22 and later, it returns an array like this: ... > > This breaks any code that tries to use the result with > > different Emacs versions. > > So.... what exactly do you want to happen? > > The two formats look easy enough to distinguish. Since the change > occurred in 22, it's been widely released, so obviously 3rd-party code > simply has to be prepared to deal with it (if they care about 21 and > older versions), and there's little point in changing it back now. I guess nothing can be done. But I do wonder why CHARSET was dropped from both `font-info' and `describe-font'. There seems to be nothing about this in NEWS (e.g. for Emacs 22). Is the character set no longer meaningful? useful? appropriate? discoverable? From jasonrumney@gmail.com Sat Apr 11 19:37:45 2009 Received: (at 2949) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 12 Apr 2009 02:37:45 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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([118.101.105.208]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y3sm7263309tia.3.2009.04.11.19.37.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 11 Apr 2009 19:37:40 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Jason Rumney Message-ID: <49E153DA.7070502@gnu.org> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 10:37:14 +0800 From: Jason Rumney User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Miles Bader , 2949@debbugs.gnu.org CC: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#2949: 23.0.92; font-info incompatible across Emacs versions References: <87ws9rqeza.fsf@catnip.gol.com> In-Reply-To: <87ws9rqeza.fsf@catnip.gol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Miles Bader wrote: > So.... what exactly do you want to happen? > At least the doc string for font-info should be updated. It still claims that the third entry in the returned vector is CHARSET. From handa@m17n.org Tue Apr 14 05:41:17 2009 Received: (at 2949) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 14 Apr 2009 12:41:18 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=4.0 tests=FOURLA,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, IMPRONONCABLE_2,MONEY,STOCKLIKE autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mx1.aist.go.jp (mx1.aist.go.jp [150.29.246.133]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n3ECfEOK017086 for <2949@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 05:41:15 -0700 Received: from rqsmtp2.aist.go.jp (rqsmtp2.aist.go.jp [150.29.254.123]) by mx1.aist.go.jp with ESMTP id n3ECfCjV013961; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:41:12 +0900 (JST) env-from (handa@m17n.org) Received: from smtp2.aist.go.jp by rqsmtp2.aist.go.jp with ESMTP id n3ECfCE4007411; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:41:12 +0900 (JST) env-from (handa@m17n.org) Received: by smtp2.aist.go.jp with ESMTP id n3ECfC1t004703; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:41:12 +0900 (JST) env-from (handa@m17n.org) Received: from handa by etlken with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lthx4-0006EB-Jm; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:41:22 +0900 From: Kenichi Handa To: Drew Adams , 2949@debbugs.gnu.org CC: miles@gnu.org, jasonr@gnu.org In-reply-to: <000601c9bacd$14ef5120$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> (drew.adams@oracle.com) Subject: Re: bug#2949: 23.0.92; font-info incompatible across Emacs versions References: <87ws9rqeza.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <000601c9bacd$14ef5120$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> Message-Id: Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:41:22 +0900 In article <000601c9bacd$14ef5120$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com>, "Drew Adams" writes: > > > In Emacs 20, `font-info' returns an array like this: ... > > > In Emacs 22 and later, it returns an array like this: ... > > > This breaks any code that tries to use the result with > > > different Emacs versions. > > > > So.... what exactly do you want to happen? > > > > The two formats look easy enough to distinguish. Since the change > > occurred in 22, it's been widely released, so obviously 3rd-party code > > simply has to be prepared to deal with it (if they care about 21 and > > older versions), and there's little point in changing it back now. Actually the change occurred in Emacs 21. > I guess nothing can be done. > But I do wonder why CHARSET was dropped from both `font-info' and > `describe-font'. There seems to be nothing about this in NEWS (e.g. for Emacs > 22). Is the character set no longer meaningful? useful? appropriate? > discoverable? I vaguely remember that the change was within a big change of fontset implementation to match with Gerd's new display engine for the release of 21. Before that, fonts are specified for each charset, but after that, fonts are specified for each character using a char table. As a result, the concept for charset for a font lost the meaning. Because the changes are quite lot at that time, perhaps I forgot to record this specific change in NEWS and ChangeLog. 2000-03-21 Kenichi HANDA The following changes are to make font selection based on characters, not charset. In addition, they recover fontset facilities while utilizing the new font selection mechanism. [...] In article <49E153DA.7070502@gnu.org>, Jason Rumney writes: > Miles Bader wrote: > > So.... what exactly do you want to happen? > > > At least the doc string for font-info should be updated. It still claims > that the third entry in the returned vector is CHARSET. I fixed the docstring. --- Kenichi Handa handa@m17n.org From drew.adams@oracle.com Tue Apr 14 07:32:16 2009 Received: (at 2949) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 14 Apr 2009 14:32:16 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=4.0 tests=HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from rgminet11.oracle.com (rcsinet11.oracle.com [148.87.113.123]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n3EEWDdh017263 for <2949@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 07:32:14 -0700 Received: from rgminet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by rgminet11.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n3EEZWFZ001177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:35:33 GMT Received: from acsmt702.oracle.com (acsmt702.oracle.com [141.146.40.80]) by rgminet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n3EEW9fO016439; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:32:11 GMT Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.161.223) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 07:31:57 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Kenichi Handa'" , <2949@debbugs.gnu.org> Cc: , References: <87ws9rqeza.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <000601c9bacd$14ef5120$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> Subject: RE: bug#2949: 23.0.92; font-info incompatible across Emacs versions Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 07:32:27 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c9bd0d$d859ad30$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acm8/l+yT5XSIjdtQhGgfY6Bw9vYDQADv0Bw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: X-Source-IP: acsmt702.oracle.com [141.146.40.80] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090209.49E49E64.0201:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 > new display engine for the release of 21. > Before that, fonts are specified for each charset, > but after that, fonts are specified for each character > using a char table. As a result, the concept for charset > for a font lost the meaning. Thanks for the explanation. > I fixed the docstring. Thanks. From cyd@stupidchicken.com Wed Apr 15 14:47:15 2009 Received: (at control) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 15 Apr 2009 21:47:15 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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