From unknown Tue Sep 09 00:07:21 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#29473 <29473@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#29473 <29473@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 25.3; 'background-mode is 'light on console with black background Reply-To: bug#29473 <29473@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2025 07:07:21 +0000 retitle 29473 25.3; 'background-mode is 'light on console with black backgr= ound reassign 29473 emacs submitter 29473 Tim Landscheidt severity 29473 minor tag 29473 moreinfo thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 27 09:54:02 2017 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Nov 2017 14:54:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60247 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eJKnJ-0003pc-PR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Nov 2017 09:54:01 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42354) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eJKnG-0003pN-T8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Nov 2017 09:53:59 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eJKnA-00022u-QM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Nov 2017 09:53:53 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:40826) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eJKnA-00022i-N3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Nov 2017 09:53:52 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33304) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eJKn8-0007qQ-CL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Nov 2017 09:53:52 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eJKn3-0001yf-DK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Nov 2017 09:53:50 -0500 Received: from mezzogiorno.tim-landscheidt.de ([78.47.87.37]:39904) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eJKn3-0001tK-6R for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Nov 2017 09:53:45 -0500 Received: from x4e363e84.dyn.telefonica.de ([78.54.62.132]:57754 helo=passepartout.tim-landscheidt.de) by mezzogiorno.tim-landscheidt.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eJKmt-00036b-LU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Nov 2017 14:53:35 +0000 From: Tim Landscheidt To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 25.3; 'background-mode is 'light on console with black background Organization: http://www.tim-landscheidt.de/ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 14:53:30 +0000 Message-ID: <87efoj3h91.fsf@passepartout.tim-landscheidt.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) In newsticker tree view on a Linux console with black back- ground (both KDE's konsole application and "native" console (Alt-Ctrl-F2), all under Fedora), titles of folders with no items are displayed black on black, i. e. they are still copyable, but not visible. Changing the selected title with RET highlights that one correctly and hides the previous one if it has 0 items, suggesting that the face newsticker-treeview-face is at fault. Changing (:foreground "black") to (:foreground "yellow") in newsticker-treeview-face's (background light) case makes the titles visible and indeed (frame-parameter nil 'background-mode) returns 'light. This also happens with Emacs' current master branch. After glancing at the manual, I'm unclear whether: 1. Emacs should set 'background-mode correctly by itself (and thus there is an error in the detection mechanism), 2. it is my duty to explicitly set background-mode (via initial-frame-alist?) when using Emacs on a console, or 3. newsticker should use a different technique (I've used Emacs on consoles many times and do not remember running into similar problems with other parts of Emacs). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 02 10:26:00 2017 Received: (at 29473) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Dec 2017 15:26:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42132 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eL9g0-00040F-8R for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Dec 2017 10:26:00 -0500 Received: from mail-it0-f43.google.com ([209.85.214.43]:33110) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eL9fw-0003zz-BA for 29473@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Dec 2017 10:25:56 -0500 Received: by mail-it0-f43.google.com with SMTP id o130so6841937itg.0 for <29473@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 02 Dec 2017 07:25:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=AIwbn0xgNEnPckWNE2CZ7XT2Q9z3iRGkrkZ3GhTT8Hw=; b=Zv/zKUvah7e/m5mIZKKBiHuVlJRCYaP7gWONZbvUW3IQNP8gO9rBvLzTdH85kM1uAX g0i9YQfZf3BLNPQ7mcmZeKQnPeS7zqeym5hKC+ru2U4QmcTdEo0G0Cttrjj/S6YrhH2B uhTpZpo/UhvjeUzgpFOV9ifftF6ptXcP11T3k2jqhmvUgjvWFlrMjbOSR8YqZyoqCuCU 5sUx09DiLZGXJr8gSfyx98V/gOaUc6moyrr5iVd++olpASKdBTmRFGJ4eDXRfQ4MIq/Q aMgqDoKihOm6cU8nelbSAFStUm9rI1U/iRiJJcaIH5/kp6pDOCkfuUYkdGjyEvtwEXSJ iDHg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date :in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=AIwbn0xgNEnPckWNE2CZ7XT2Q9z3iRGkrkZ3GhTT8Hw=; b=JJefYnECJfXuhr16oKA6fxgaMljVcVeVUGMgRCmqyFiI20BRSt/CF82M//maoBha0k Gjg2Nv9ZjTZteqMCEKrN6AaJjuPnB8JOdl381MamtifVdPx3fCm6rKUVWnOQk5J47ee1 RRNVLguP7HpXvjjKP2o2N2bwF1frTGW5C7DjUPQO5RqaKKG2AsHhMPJ/i/2VM+778LfE wrejLOwZlpHEbMlxXyyGYiotuC7xOYHPPpFyyR+IIFPJNzL1HPneqphIZEeUZ6fqH+Ln 3Fg9Es6G0em4/6FcxfPl4UQRptQh/Nj+9kA2M7EocfHZ0su3LAHfkSgMfZQeRW8G9b7J UMxg== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mLaKFfbX8if1l0KtRaVQYiypZEufCIA18iZfDXg//r94eyY0nBr I+GmxiDQWSmOuo+2r+BsY+Oefg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMbei/oE2tPAjUMjdZfno5RsMiOHd76pCf2j/AMYHrsJxChh6kHr+xVvvxpBTvEEdyJgO08A8Q== X-Received: by 10.36.254.71 with SMTP id w68mr6395037ith.24.1512228350426; Sat, 02 Dec 2017 07:25:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from zebian ([45.2.119.34]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id x124sm4178777iod.86.2017.12.02.07.25.48 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sat, 02 Dec 2017 07:25:49 -0800 (PST) From: Noam Postavsky To: Tim Landscheidt Subject: Re: bug#29473: 25.3; 'background-mode is 'light on console with black background References: <87efoj3h91.fsf@passepartout.tim-landscheidt.de> Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2017 10:25:47 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87efoj3h91.fsf@passepartout.tim-landscheidt.de> (Tim Landscheidt's message of "Mon, 27 Nov 2017 14:53:30 +0000") Message-ID: <87a7z1jgn8.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.90 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29473 Cc: 29473@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) Tim Landscheidt writes: > In newsticker tree view on a Linux console with black back- > ground (both KDE's konsole application and "native" console > (Alt-Ctrl-F2), all under Fedora), > (frame-parameter nil 'background-mode) returns 'light. This > also happens with Emacs' current master branch. > > After glancing at the manual, I'm unclear whether: > > 1. Emacs should set 'background-mode correctly by itself > (and thus there is an error in the detection mechanism), > > 2. it is my duty to explicitly set background-mode (via > initial-frame-alist?) when using Emacs on a console, or I'm pretty sure it's #1, the manual explains that background-mode nil should use automatic detection, and it sounds like that detection is going wrong. I don't see anything in lisp/term/linux.el that sets the background mode at all. What does running 'echo $TERM' in a shell give you? Looking at lisp/term/konsole.el, it looks like it uses the xterm functions for everything. Could you try stepping through/adding 'message' calls in terminal-init-xterm and see if/where it goes wrong? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 09 00:35:40 2017 Received: (at 29473) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Dec 2017 05:35:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53064 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eNXnY-0001gl-6C for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 00:35:40 -0500 Received: from mezzogiorno.tim-landscheidt.de ([78.47.87.37]:59357) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eNXnW-0001gc-EQ for 29473@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 00:35:39 -0500 Received: from x4e369f73.dyn.telefonica.de ([78.54.159.115]:43604 helo=passepartout.tim-landscheidt.de) by mezzogiorno.tim-landscheidt.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eNXnU-0003bI-74; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 05:35:36 +0000 From: Tim Landscheidt To: Noam Postavsky Subject: Re: bug#29473: 25.3; 'background-mode is 'light on console with black background Organization: http://www.tim-landscheidt.de/ References: <87efoj3h91.fsf@passepartout.tim-landscheidt.de> <87a7z1jgn8.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 05:35:30 +0000 In-Reply-To: <87a7z1jgn8.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> (Noam Postavsky's message of "Sat, 02 Dec 2017 10:25:47 -0500") Message-ID: <87efo4ihul.fsf@passepartout.tim-landscheidt.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29473 Cc: 29473@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) Noam Postavsky wrote: >> In newsticker tree view on a Linux console with black back- >> ground (both KDE's konsole application and "native" console >> (Alt-Ctrl-F2), all under Fedora), >> (frame-parameter nil 'background-mode) returns 'light. This >> also happens with Emacs' current master branch. >> After glancing at the manual, I'm unclear whether: >> 1. Emacs should set 'background-mode correctly by itself >> (and thus there is an error in the detection mechanism), >> 2. it is my duty to explicitly set background-mode (via >> initial-frame-alist?) when using Emacs on a console, or > I'm pretty sure it's #1, the manual explains that background-mode nil > should use automatic detection, and it sounds like that detection is > going wrong. > I don't see anything in lisp/term/linux.el that sets the background mode > at all. What does running 'echo $TERM' in a shell give you? > Looking at lisp/term/konsole.el, it looks like it uses the xterm > functions for everything. Could you try stepping through/adding > 'message' calls in terminal-init-xterm and see if/where it goes wrong? (For the moment, I retract my claim that this also happens on a "native" (Alt-Ctrl-F2) console because I can no longer reproduce it and cannot remember my test setup, so the fol- lowing is limited to konsole in Fedora 25.) In konsole, $TERM is set to "xterm-256color": | [tim@passepartout ~/src/emacs]$ echo $TERM | xterm-256color | [tim@passepartout ~/src/emacs]$ With interspersed message calls, I could find out that kon- sole's response to the "Secondary Device Attributes (DA)" query in terminal-init-xterm ("\e[>0c") is "^[[>0;115;0c": | [tim@passepartout ~/src/emacs]$ perl -we 'print "\e[>0c";'; sleep 1; echo | ^[[>0;115;0c | [tim@passepartout ~/src/emacs]$ This version number (115) falls short of the test "(>= version 242)" which would cause the background colour to be queried, and rightly so, because konsole does not re- spond to the query "\e]11;?\e\\": | [tim@passepartout ~/src/emacs]$ perl -we 'print "\e]11;?\e\\";'; sleep 1; echo | [tim@passepartout ~/src/emacs]$ (Sidenote: gnome-terminal reports back "^[[>1;4603;0c" and "^[]11;rgb:2323/2727/2929^[\" but the latter is never que- ried due to NUMBER1 being 1 and NUMBER2 being greater than 2000, so background-mode stills end up as 'light with gnome- terminal.) So then I tried to track down where background-mode's 'light is actually coming from, and it seems to originate in frame-set-background-mode's: | (default-bg-mode | (if (or (window-system frame) | (and tty-type | (string-match "^\\(xterm\\|\\rxvt\\|dtterm\\|eterm\\)" | tty-type))) | 'light | 'dark)) with tty-type being "xterm-256color". This logic was first introduced in: | commit 5ebc02b3656890d1d110c671129c64547bdbcdd6 | Author: Eli Zaretskii | Date: Sat Oct 28 18:48:08 2000 +0000 | (normal-top-level): If the value of $TERM indicates that | we are running from xterm or one of its work-alikes, default to a | light background mode. Curious, I installed xterm and indeed it has black fore- ground on white background which I had not only forgotten about, but also for example Wikipedia uses a black back- ground xterm to illustrate its article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xterm). D'oh. My assumption now is that Emacs's detection mechanism cannot be "fixed" for konsole in Fedora 25 and I should manually set frame-background-mode to 'dark. But: In Fedora 26, konsole 17.04.1 (in contrast to Fedora 25's konsole 16.12.3) still returns "^[[>0;115;0c" as version number, /but/ "\^[]11;rgb:0000/0000/0000^G" for the background colour. So one possible improvement could be to query the background colour either unconditionally or also on "(= version 115)". This would increase the start-up time by (at most) two se- conds (xterm-query-timeout) for terminals that do not sup- port this query AFAIUI. (So that I don't forget: I used: | [tim@passepartout ~/src/emacs]$ make && ./src/emacs -Q -L $PWD -nw --eval '(switch-to-buffer "*Messages*")' for testing.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 09 09:05:16 2017 Received: (at 29473) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Dec 2017 14:05:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53234 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eNfkh-0000WL-IP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 09:05:16 -0500 Received: from mail-it0-f44.google.com ([209.85.214.44]:45578) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eNfkf-0000W8-KE for 29473@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 09:05:14 -0500 Received: by mail-it0-f44.google.com with SMTP id z6so8778144iti.4 for <29473@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 06:05:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=8iqlY1Ks17wpGDtxLMaxkd4mf1cdI/GsYm6m1YF/xq8=; b=IdgZs4CADpr7D4LmTb7kKnHV3VzXIfGtPuAqGBVkf63ecpmv6TgEdwh4SMcCXE1pqD 2sfCcscZQbALwh/1l++ZI97nb/Y9pbnpYdM3e4QWCrDr6mC2xcMCuvC6YsZdqjF9wMPr 1Ut5H/26yLdjGXR0DiD7ITw3862At8vmwDBD5ay3xC5py81fdoEDrMxP1qByTKM+MbfF EFjDNNYKyrpVtanxYrWOTYV9HbvJFLeeMUnNLN22fhsYhZnaoCcBy0Txqg7pfYYyi7mk qBxlfgmKHxG+a0HhmDX4nz1YGNLg3ahYO4c6/3GKXbYTwD4GSMtd7u0EVrKUjlHJZ/3d uCgA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date :in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=8iqlY1Ks17wpGDtxLMaxkd4mf1cdI/GsYm6m1YF/xq8=; b=mhEW9WlCVMmsdtgXDD7/hsG8hTUSsret9X/rUwq9aSuSPOnb4aA18EyQasT8Fw63gK 1SF7u488ELtkuDTgu6qKAtxAKiUD4sZ8SnYrVD74hTulQZ3wmXfwvawefU7j/Dz5Xq/o p2+r9u5ABZ5RJ2yn2hTYd7fU6qg6+rg701a2AQIEnj2rtYMxh9EzJf6KYZXpWQ5SpJyO KEaDgDBJEDnHpokKTV9Iz3Skqgw2YNVyD7TQkDEF9KJkJCAq8IzvVVhUxLLWfCwyrUZz GL3JeO2o/vOAz2c9w3R9A2E3FnAWl6NVw4ZbpEUs2FuA+5WsxHevJgrZclhVFJfEWejq OWIA== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mJ8WslrTRsX8/+Sr0dIHTZ1hrxsmyPOfINTXNfkBCl/9acVUos1 lBMxmq054Wm1uCn4xkUS+SPJDw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBosAAsZx5ZoNehqGo3YqkWN9fqk2shlrLh017PR1wYCPvTs9f3/yKhxImOy0dTf8X+Cjwid8tQ== X-Received: by 10.36.131.200 with SMTP id d191mr2001388ite.97.1512828307728; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 06:05:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from zebian ([45.2.119.34]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id z27sm1867586ita.13.2017.12.09.06.05.06 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sat, 09 Dec 2017 06:05:06 -0800 (PST) From: Noam Postavsky To: Tim Landscheidt Subject: Re: bug#29473: 25.3; 'background-mode is 'light on console with black background References: <87efoj3h91.fsf@passepartout.tim-landscheidt.de> <87a7z1jgn8.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <87efo4ihul.fsf@passepartout.tim-landscheidt.de> Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 09:05:05 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87efo4ihul.fsf@passepartout.tim-landscheidt.de> (Tim Landscheidt's message of "Sat, 09 Dec 2017 05:35:30 +0000") Message-ID: <87y3mcdmjy.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.90 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29473 Cc: 29473@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) Tim Landscheidt writes: > With interspersed message calls, I could find out that kon- > sole's response to the "Secondary Device Attributes (DA)" > query in terminal-init-xterm ("\e[>0c") is "^[[>0;115;0c": > > | [tim@passepartout ~/src/emacs]$ perl -we 'print "\e[>0c";'; sleep 1; echo > | ^[[>0;115;0c > | [tim@passepartout ~/src/emacs]$ > > This version number (115) falls short of the test > "(>= version 242)" which would cause the background colour > to be queried, and rightly so, because konsole does not re- > spond to the query "\e]11;?\e\\": > > | [tim@passepartout ~/src/emacs]$ perl -we 'print "\e]11;?\e\\";'; sleep 1; echo > > | [tim@passepartout ~/src/emacs]$ > (Sidenote: gnome-terminal reports back "^[[>1;4603;0c" and > "^[]11;rgb:2323/2727/2929^[\" but the latter is never que- > ried due to NUMBER1 being 1 and NUMBER2 being greater than > 2000, so background-mode stills end up as 'light with gnome- > terminal.) Ah, interesting. It seems the versions of gnome-terminal are rather non-standard. Which version of gnome-terminal is this, and does it support the other xterm calls? ;; If version is 216 (the version when modifyOtherKeys was ;; introduced) or higher, initialize the ;; modifyOtherKeys support. (when (>= version 216) (xterm--init-modify-other-keys)) ;; In version 203 support for accessing the X selection was ;; added. Hterm reports itself as version 256 and supports it ;; as well. gnome-terminal doesn't and is excluded by this ;; test. (when (>= version 203) ;; Most xterms seem to have it disabled by default, and if it's ;; disabled, C-y will incur a timeout, so we only use it if the user ;; explicitly requests it. ;;(xterm--init-activate-get-selection) (xterm--init-activate-set-selection)))))) > So then I tried to track down where background-mode's 'light > is actually coming from, and it seems to originate in > frame-set-background-mode's: > > | (default-bg-mode > | (if (or (window-system frame) > | (and tty-type > | (string-match "^\\(xterm\\|\\rxvt\\|dtterm\\|eterm\\)" ^^ Hmm, those backslashes are a bug, I think. > | tty-type))) > | 'light > | 'dark)) > > with tty-type being "xterm-256color". > My assumption now is that Emacs's detection mechanism cannot > be "fixed" for konsole in Fedora 25 and I should manually > set frame-background-mode to 'dark. Yes, looks like there is no way for Emacs to detect it. > But: In Fedora 26, konsole 17.04.1 (in contrast to Fedora > 25's konsole 16.12.3) still returns "^[[>0;115;0c" as > version number, /but/ "\^[]11;rgb:0000/0000/0000^G" for the > background colour. Thanks for tracking all these details down! > So one possible improvement could be to query the background > colour either unconditionally or also on "(= version 115)". > This would increase the start-up time by (at most) two se- > conds (xterm-query-timeout) for terminals that do not sup- > port this query AFAIUI. Hmm, I think 2 seconds is too much. Is there no way to distinguish between konsole versions? Perhaps file a bug against konsole to ask them to bump the reported version? 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On xterm or ttys it works fine. > > The only way I found to fix this is by forcing a dark mode, as for > example: > > (setq frame-background-mode 'dark) > (set-background-color "black") > (set-foreground-color "white") What do you get from running printf '\e[>0c' and printf '\e]11;?\e\' in the shell from gnome-terminal? See also https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?users=emacs;bug=29473#11 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Sep 03 02:44:25 2021 Received: (at 29473) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Sep 2021 06:44:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42631 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mM2w4-0000si-TR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 03 Sep 2021 02:44:25 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:53728) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mM2w3-0000sI-0b for 29473@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 03 Sep 2021 02:44:23 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=7AAa2OwNw4j0X1PVQXU2flRQ+qu4cE/iUByG8aQs96M=; b=KcR5R8zT+6NF5gXKRZqOOwhjqN MXdfLGwDvgrvXJEXfNad5K5V+ciyUkFfBYoOHdXynJGCWQxOLv8LEIbE7KICETntF/6qBfUxOnFQi R+i8ZwmVCpw1WM55gTJrJZAaW4OPrxFT+nue2M3Zj3RY21kRIeA5Nu7l6VfBnZilQdkc=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mM2vt-00062T-Rh; Fri, 03 Sep 2021 08:44:16 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Noam Postavsky Subject: Re: bug#29473: 25.3; 'background-mode is 'light on console with black background References: <87efoj3h91.fsf@passepartout.tim-landscheidt.de> <87a7z1jgn8.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <87efo4ihul.fsf@passepartout.tim-landscheidt.de> <87y3mcdmjy.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2021 08:44:13 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87y3mcdmjy.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> (Noam Postavsky's message of "Sat, 09 Dec 2017 09:05:05 -0500") Message-ID: <87eea640qq.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Noam Postavsky writes: > Ah, interesting. It seems the versions of gnome-terminal are rather > non-standard. Which version of gnome-terminal is this, and does it > support the other xterm calls? Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29473 Cc: 29473@debbugs.gnu.org, Tim Landscheidt X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Noam Postavsky writes: > Ah, interesting. It seems the versions of gnome-terminal are rather > non-standard. Which version of gnome-terminal is this, and does it > support the other xterm calls? (I'm going through old bug reports that unfortunately weren't resolved at the time.) I can reproduce the problem on Emacs 27.1 (and older), but not in Emacs 28, so I think this problem (wrong background colour detection in Gnome Terminal) is probably fixed now. 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More information was requested, but no response was given within a month, so I'm closing this bug report. 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