From unknown Mon Jun 23 04:09:27 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#29430 <29430@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#29430 <29430@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 26.0.90; C-M-backspace is undefined Reply-To: bug#29430 <29430@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2025 11:09:27 +0000 retitle 29430 26.0.90; C-M-backspace is undefined reassign 29430 emacs submitter 29430 Devon Sean McCullough severity 29430 wishlist thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 24 14:12:41 2017 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Nov 2017 19:12:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56355 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eIJOz-0002su-3H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 14:12:41 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:40279) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eIJOx-0002si-Ft for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 14:12:40 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eIJOq-0002CZ-Vf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 14:12:34 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:38065) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eIJOq-0002CV-SP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 14:12:32 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59483) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eIJOp-0005Fv-JL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 14:12:32 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eIJOm-0002Bu-Cv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 14:12:31 -0500 Received: from gateway34.websitewelcome.com ([192.185.148.119]:28009) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eIJOm-00027J-5p for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 14:12:28 -0500 Received: from cm17.websitewelcome.com (cm17.websitewelcome.com [100.42.49.20]) by gateway34.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A56226602 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 13:12:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from leaf.websitewelcome.com ([192.185.82.99]) by cmsmtp with SMTP id IJOWeRd0Wc72gIJOWeLyF6; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 13:12:13 -0600 Received: from pool-74-96-160-131.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([74.96.160.131]:64631 helo=devons-air.fios-router.home) by leaf.websitewelcome.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eIJOW-001OBQ-HO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 13:12:12 -0600 From: Devon Sean McCullough Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: 26.0.90; C-M-backspace is undefined Message-Id: Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 14:12:11 -0500 To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - leaf.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jovi.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 74.96.160.131 X-Source-L: No X-Exim-ID: 1eIJOW-001OBQ-HO X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-74-96-160-131.washdc.fios.verizon.net (devons-air.fios-router.home) [74.96.160.131]:64631 X-Source-Auth: devon2011@jovi.net X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: am92aW5ldDtkZXZvbjtsZWFmLndlYnNpdGV3ZWxjb21lLmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) C-M-DEL and ESC C-DEL should both run the same command. is undefined ESC (translated from ) runs the command backward-kill-sexp (found in global-map), which is an interactive compiled Lisp function in =E2=80=98lisp.el=E2=80=99. It is bound to ESC , ESC . Peace --Devon P.S. Perhaps a missing translation? M-DEL (translated from ) runs the command backward-kill-word (found in global-map), which is an interactive compiled Lisp function in =E2=80=98simple.el=E2=80=99. It is bound to , M-DEL. In GNU Emacs 26.0.90 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin13.4.0, NS = appkit-1265.21 Version 10.9.5 (Build 13F1911)) of 2017-10-11 built on builder10-9.local Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.1404 Recent messages: For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. Making completion list... [2 times] backward-kill-sexp is on ESC , ESC Mark set is undefined kill-region: Buffer is read-only: # [3 times] Configured using: 'configure --with-ns '--enable-locallisppath=3D/Library/Application Support/Emacs/${version}/site-lisp:/Library/Application Support/Emacs/site-lisp' --with-modules' Configured features: NOTIFY ACL GNUTLS LIBXML2 ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS NS MODULES Important settings: value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Fundamental Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t buffer-read-only: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Load-path shadows: None found. 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Perhaps a missing translation? Seems to be on purpose, bindings.el:1236: ;;; These are dangerous in various situations, ;;; so let's not encourage anyone to use them. ;;;(define-key global-map [C-M-delete] 'backward-kill-sexp) ;;;(define-key global-map [C-M-backspace] 'backward-kill-sexp) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 24 15:36:00 2017 Received: (at 29430) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Nov 2017 20:36:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56415 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eIKhc-0004t7-8S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 15:36:00 -0500 Received: from gateway31.websitewelcome.com ([192.185.143.5]:26382) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eIKhZ-0004sz-Rm for 29430@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 15:35:58 -0500 Received: from cm16.websitewelcome.com (cm16.websitewelcome.com [100.42.49.19]) by gateway31.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E568124420 for <29430@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 14:35:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from leaf.websitewelcome.com ([192.185.82.99]) by cmsmtp with SMTP id IKhYeGvqpRtUXIKhYeOzxK; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 14:35:56 -0600 Received: from pool-74-96-160-131.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([74.96.160.131]:64827 helo=devons-air.fios-router.home) by leaf.websitewelcome.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eIKhX-0025PC-SL; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 14:35:55 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Subject: Re: bug#29430: 26.0.90; C-M-backspace is undefined From: Devon Sean McCullough In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 15:35:55 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Noam Postavsky X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - leaf.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jovi.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 74.96.160.131 X-Source-L: No X-Exim-ID: 1eIKhX-0025PC-SL X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-74-96-160-131.washdc.fios.verizon.net (devons-air.fios-router.home) [74.96.160.131]:64827 X-Source-Auth: devon2011@jovi.net X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: am92aW5ldDtkZXZvbjtsZWFmLndlYnNpdGV3ZWxjb21lLmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29430 Cc: 29430@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) > On Nov 24, 2017, at 2:28 PM, Noam Postavsky = wrote: > Seems to be on purpose, bindings.el:1236: > ;;; These are dangerous in various situations, > ;;; so let's not encourage anyone to use them. > ;;;(define-key global-map [C-M-delete] 'backward-kill-sexp) > ;;;(define-key global-map [C-M-backspace] 'backward-kill-seep) I doubt those historical reasons still hold but let's be ultra-cautious =E2=80=94 here's a minimal fix: (unless (eq 'ns (window-system)) ;; These were once dangerous in various situations, ;; so let's not encourage just anyone to use them. (define-key global-map [C-M-delete] 'backward-kill-sexp) (define-key global-map [C-M-backspace] 'backward-kill-sexp)) Peace --Devon P.S. Microsoft apparently considered Ctrl+Alt+Del a security feature, laughably assuming it would be difficult for malware to intercept it and steal passwords with a fake login screen. P.P.S. X11 had a misfeature where Ctrl+Alt+Del nuked all your work which has been disabled by default for years now in most situations, e.g., = https://access.RedHat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/7/h= tml/desktop_migration_and_administration_guide/enable-ctrl-alt-backspace = https://AskUbuntu.com/questions/367983/how-do-i-enable-ctrl-alt-backspace-= to-kill-the-x-server P.P.P.S. As much as I condemn the imperious cyber-satan at One Infinite = Loop, they set mostly legal and licensing booby traps, seldom technical ones.= From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Nov 25 18:14:46 2017 Received: (at 29430) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Nov 2017 23:14:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58317 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eIjen-0006Lx-SK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Nov 2017 18:14:46 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:43333) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eIjel-0006Lk-QU for 29430@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Nov 2017 18:14:44 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eIjef-0004h6-OT for 29430@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Nov 2017 18:14:38 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:34473) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eIjeD-0004Vj-93; Sat, 25 Nov 2017 18:14:09 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eIjeC-0007JT-Pz; Sat, 25 Nov 2017 18:14:08 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Devon Sean McCullough In-reply-to: (message from Devon Sean McCullough on Fri, 24 Nov 2017 15:35:55 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#29430: 26.0.90; C-M-backspace is undefined References: Message-Id: Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2017 18:14:08 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29430 Cc: 29430@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@users.sourceforge.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > (unless (eq 'ns (window-system)) > ;; These were once dangerous in various situations, > ;; so let's not encourage just anyone to use them. > (define-key global-map [C-M-delete] 'backward-kill-sexp) > (define-key global-map [C-M-backspace] 'backward-kill-sexp)) It is not just on NextStep. I think I saw one of these kill X windows on GNU/Linux. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See https://stallman.org/skype.html. 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(define-key global-map [C-M-delete] 'backward-kill-sexp) (define-key global-map [C-M-backspace] 'backward-kill-seep)) We=E2=80=99ve all seen MS-Whatever's and X11=E2=80=99s peculiar = responses to C-M-Del =E2=80=94 but not in recent years =E2=80=94 however NeXTStep has always = been immune. Peace =E2=80=94Devon P.S. Perhaps the Emacs manual should have a stolen key chord appendix with recipes for regaining and remapping keys under MS, NS, X11, etc., = e.g., MacOSX Apple Menu > System Preferences... > Keyboard > Keyboard > = Modifier Keys... has user preferences to put the keys next to the bar, disable and so on. I even put left of by disabling and configuring a third party app. Gnu screen steals C-a so the -e switch deserves mention, e.g., screen -e '^^^^' sets the screen intercept character to Control-Caret which Emacs conveniently reserves for that purpose, Many "cloud"///////network sys admins use this a lot. 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Content preview: Noam Postavsky writes: > Seems to be on purpose, bindings.el:1236: > > ; ; ; These are dangerous in various situations, > ; ; ; so let's not encourage anyone to use them. > ; ; ; (define-key global-map [C-M-delete] 'backward-kill- [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP 0.0 TVD_RCVD_IP Message was received from an IP address -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29430 Cc: Devon Sean McCullough , 37447@debbugs.gnu.org, 29430@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Noam Postavsky writes: > Seems to be on purpose, bindings.el:1236: > > ;;; These are dangerous in various situations, > ;;; so let's not encourage anyone to use them. > ;;;(define-key global-map [C-M-delete] 'backward-kill-sexp) > ;;;(define-key global-map [C-M-backspace] 'backward-kill-sexp) I've now reinstated the bindings, since X stopped killing itself if you hit those keys decades ago (in all mainstream configurations). 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: oracle.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: c6b104fd-d9a8-4178-df8a-08da0cda5c05 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 23 Mar 2022 14:35:21.1233 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4e2c6054-71cb-48f1-bd6c-3a9705aca71b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: eKAOyldouem1+dM4sW3w3OM/IOXi3Y6PPiTdbip9nuvfsG+dZ43tzt45G2I1zE95rKvThluMhGgpCsIjwJUHog== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BYAPR10MB3557 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6300 definitions=10295 signatures=694973 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 adultscore=0 suspectscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxlogscore=962 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2202240000 definitions=main-2203230083 X-Proofpoint-GUID: tXecz_xR7c1Eyl8kLQSlCtzrJrsNVhBC X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: tXecz_xR7c1Eyl8kLQSlCtzrJrsNVhBC X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29430 Cc: Devon Sean McCullough , "37447@debbugs.gnu.org" <37447@debbugs.gnu.org>, "29430@debbugs.gnu.org" <29430@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > > ;;; These are dangerous in various situations, > > ;;; so let's not encourage anyone to use them. > > ;;;(define-key global-map [C-M-delete] 'backward-kill-sexp) > > ;;;(define-key global-map [C-M-backspace] 'backward-kill-sexp) >=20 > I've now reinstated the bindings, since X stopped killing itself if you > hit those keys decades ago (in all mainstream configurations). [C-M-delete] is problematic for MS Windows, no? 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Problematic in what sense? 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By default, at least, it's grabbed by Windows. I suppose you can use `w32-register-hot-key' to wrestle it away from Windows. But that's a pretty important key for Windows, IME. Not an expert. Background (which I'm sure you, at least, are familiar with): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control-Alt-Delete (I use `C-M-backspace' for `backward-kill-sexp'. I use `Ctrl+Alt+Delete' for Windows.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Mar 24 02:44:51 2022 Received: (at 29430) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Mar 2022 06:44:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46657 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nXHDA-0003Ov-4P for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 02:44:51 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:57288) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nXHD8-0003Oe-C7; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 02:44:42 -0400 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=51026 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nXHD1-0005nt-V9; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 02:44:35 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=/3iCU8iGrUpkYqSxpI5DqwNRVfi0dq3dp3PHD/nj7zc=; b=fRqa8Bu/0Vq7 EEwMn4/3m/PI5m1Kt76ZxzVpBuQWGOnxgpObv5LB4Ouix40q93Y4D8wWGipSVqJdwvrcnnFNkjEYa Ban7Jemq39RSdclyTbihu2iRXejKN8OlEBgON2B28HQRwsuAQYBuaANUZolw7Y7NHv6thkIgTvHzn JUFWD2E4aGe6egteImuS8x8kK3Mm0vTjKJWTPH4+RwrNELlzUzdjD7Bn7snxmPO+II9tlLxmgE5Yr IxkvrLmOKsflKLF/hMDZiT7QzGKU1nG4E7omCWUNC/qIw8bWpZ/nyiFZlZszqMS8MHFYM8FLsU9qL iNn4cbt738nZxJg4COQEHQ==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3045 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nXHD1-0001CG-Cn; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 02:44:35 -0400 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 08:44:27 +0200 Message-Id: <83zglfdf3o.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Wed, 23 Mar 2022 20:49:16 +0000) Subject: Re: [External] : Re: bug#29430: bug#37447: 26.3; Commands on and References: <87r16s94oz.fsf_-_@gnus.org> <837d8ken0e.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29430 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 29430@debbugs.gnu.org, Emacs-Hacker2017@jovi.net, 37447@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@users.sourceforge.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Drew Adams > CC: "larsi@gnus.org" , > "npostavs@users.sourceforge.net" > , > "Emacs-Hacker2017@jovi.net" > , > "37447@debbugs.gnu.org" <37447@debbugs.gnu.org>, > "29430@debbugs.gnu.org" <29430@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 20:49:16 +0000 > > > > [C-M-delete] is problematic for MS Windows, no? > > > > Problematic in what sense? > > By default, at least, it's grabbed by Windows. But that hasn't changed just because Emacs now has a binding to that key, has it? IOW, whatever problems Windows users had or didn't have before the change, they still either have or don't have. 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From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Mar 24 11:32:07 2022 Received: (at 29430) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Mar 2022 15:32:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49214 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nXPRW-0007NB-Rc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 11:32:07 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:58172) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nXPRS-0007M3-8I; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 11:32:02 -0400 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=58908 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nXPRM-0003J1-0o; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 11:31:56 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=d1VB7X9/DHQNhg05sRZyPSrT6v4ZEhUUbqihKzBbA5k=; b=aMmBqR6UZGKI /34leGICjCJPKtmGsYJDmOQJChW/ioN/OCAhqqf4/8kaC0ivcfHvpAsvHKMrgYcMRbEIHuX1JRL/k Ehib+BG6bbOWiOS41frVmCnxno+PL58s/XnZCi1Rz0kbQwQ7gusZ70NAHbYSclksFk+nxfv8f6Fr0 ZPSlGWdSz0tkukpYxEi2oax0YPR3CepgyvrEA7znZ6DMXdiM7T48Ko2RDus697Tusa1uhKYROrJeZ TTBzzTjBkwSG6xUm3nq6Hw+Qi1EMmIUUZxqK1tFV4/kE2nBDRR+lpmPTr09ZyZ4zNFYC+uDVduUH5 wKdGI4zDp/f/uBmlE7ryVg==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1318 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nXPNB-00011E-Ny; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 11:27:38 -0400 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 17:27:30 +0200 Message-Id: <83lewzcqvx.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Thu, 24 Mar 2022 15:16:32 +0000) Subject: Re: [External] : Re: bug#29430: bug#37447: 26.3; Commands on and References: <87r16s94oz.fsf_-_@gnus.org> <837d8ken0e.fsf@gnu.org> <83zglfdf3o.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29430 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 29430@debbugs.gnu.org, Emacs-Hacker2017@jovi.net, 37447@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@users.sourceforge.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Drew Adams > CC: "larsi@gnus.org" , > "npostavs@users.sourceforge.net" > , > "Emacs-Hacker2017@jovi.net" > , > "37447@debbugs.gnu.org" <37447@debbugs.gnu.org>, > "29430@debbugs.gnu.org" <29430@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 15:16:32 +0000 > Accept-Language: en-US > > > > > > [C-M-delete] is problematic for MS Windows, no? > > > > > > > > Problematic in what sense? > > > > > > By default, at least, it's grabbed by Windows. > > > > But that hasn't changed just because Emacs now has a binding to that > > key, has it? IOW, whatever problems Windows users had or didn't have > > before the change, they still either have or don't have. > > Yes, of course. But without binding it by default > users are less likely to suffer the gotcha. How so? The probability of users using the key is independent of whether Emacs does or doesn't define a key binding for it. Besides, who are those Windows users that don't know about Ctrl-Alt-Del sequence, and are likely to use it without understanding what they will get? 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IOW, whatever problems Windows users had or didn't > > > have before the change, they still either have or don't have. > > > > Yes, of course. But without binding it by default > > users are less likely to suffer the gotcha. >=20 > How so? The probability of users using the key is independent of > whether Emacs does or doesn't define a key binding for it. Besides, > who are those Windows users that don't know about Ctrl-Alt-Del > sequence, and are likely to use it without understanding what they > will get? Can we agree to disagree, or must we also disagree about such agreement? Emacs advertising this as a default binding might just incite some Emacs users to try to use it, in Emacs. That's all. Not a big deal. Certainly they'll find out soon enough... From unknown Mon Jun 23 04:09:27 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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