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Match data doesn't contain elements for trailing non-matched subgroups

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From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2 <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 27.0.50; Match data doesn't contain elements for non-matched subgroups
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 21:11:13 +0100

$ emacs -Q -batch -eval '(progn (string-match "^\\(a\\)?\\(b\\)\\(c\\)?$" "b") (print (match-data)))'
(0 1 nil nil 0 1)

Note that neither the `a` nor the `c` group matched, but there are
entries for `a` in `match-data`, but not for `c`.  This makes working
with the match data unnecessarily hard because its length depends on
whether certain optional groups have matched or not.  I haven't seen any
discussion about this behavior in either the manual or the docstring.  I
think the match data in this case should be (0 1 nil nil 0 1 nil nil).


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Message #12 received at 29343 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2 <at> gmail.com>
To: 29343 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#29343: 27.0.50; Match data doesn't contain elements for
 non-matched subgroups
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2017 14:29:12 +0000

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Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2 <at> gmail.com> schrieb am Fr., 17. Nov. 2017 um
21:12 Uhr:

>
> $ emacs -Q -batch -eval '(progn (string-match "^\\(a\\)?\\(b\\)\\(c\\)?$"
> "b") (print (match-data)))'
> (0 1 nil nil 0 1)
>
> Note that neither the `a` nor the `c` group matched, but there are
> entries for `a` in `match-data`, but not for `c`.  This makes working
> with the match data unnecessarily hard because its length depends on
> whether certain optional groups have matched or not.  I haven't seen any
> discussion about this behavior in either the manual or the docstring.  I
> think the match data in this case should be (0 1 nil nil 0 1 nil nil).
>
>
It turns out that this is harder than I expected, because the information
about the number of groups in the pattern isn't stored anywhere, and
search_regs.num_regs may be different from the group count. If it turns out
too hard to fix, the behavior should at least be documented.

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Message #15 received at 29343 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Noam Postavsky <npostavs <at> gmail.com>
To: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2 <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 29343 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#29343: 27.0.50;
 Match data doesn't contain elements for non-matched subgroups
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 20:37:41 -0400

Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2 <at> gmail.com> writes:

> $ emacs -Q -batch -eval '(progn (string-match "^\\(a\\)?\\(b\\)\\(c\\)?$" "b") (print (match-data)))'
> (0 1 nil nil 0 1)
>
> Note that neither the `a` nor the `c` group matched, but there are
> entries for `a` in `match-data`, but not for `c`.  This makes working
> with the match data unnecessarily hard because its length depends on
> whether certain optional groups have matched or not.  I haven't seen any
> discussion about this behavior in either the manual or the docstring.  I
> think the match data in this case should be (0 1 nil nil 0 1 nil nil).

You can get that result by passing a list of the expected length as the
REUSE argument to match-data:

(progn
  (string-match "^\\(a\\)?\\(b\\)\\(c\\)?$" "b")
  (match-data t (make-list 8 nil)))
  ;=> (0 1 nil nil 0 1 nil nil)

Message #18 received at 29343 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2 <at> gmail.com>
To: Noam Postavsky <npostavs <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 29343 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#29343: 27.0.50; Match data doesn't contain elements for
 non-matched subgroups
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 20:22:23 +0200

Am Sa., 17. März 2018 um 01:37 Uhr schrieb Noam Postavsky <npostavs <at> gmail.com>:
>
> Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2 <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
> > $ emacs -Q -batch -eval '(progn (string-match "^\\(a\\)?\\(b\\)\\(c\\)?$" "b") (print (match-data)))'
> > (0 1 nil nil 0 1)
> >
> > Note that neither the `a` nor the `c` group matched, but there are
> > entries for `a` in `match-data`, but not for `c`.  This makes working
> > with the match data unnecessarily hard because its length depends on
> > whether certain optional groups have matched or not.  I haven't seen any
> > discussion about this behavior in either the manual or the docstring.  I
> > think the match data in this case should be (0 1 nil nil 0 1 nil nil).
>
> You can get that result by passing a list of the expected length as the
> REUSE argument to match-data:

True, but that also requires knowing the expected length. In the most
general case this should work for unknown regular expressions.

Message #21 received at 29343 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Noam Postavsky <npostavs <at> gmail.com>
To: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2 <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 29343 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#29343: 27.0.50;
 Match data doesn't contain elements for non-matched subgroups
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 14:29:27 -0400

Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2 <at> gmail.com> writes:

> Am Sa., 17. März 2018 um 01:37 Uhr schrieb Noam Postavsky <npostavs <at> gmail.com>:
>>
>> Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2 <at> gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> > $ emacs -Q -batch -eval '(progn (string-match "^\\(a\\)?\\(b\\)\\(c\\)?$" "b") (print (match-data)))'
>> > (0 1 nil nil 0 1)
>> >
>> > Note that neither the `a` nor the `c` group matched, but there are
>> > entries for `a` in `match-data`, but not for `c`.  This makes working
>> > with the match data unnecessarily hard because its length depends on
>> > whether certain optional groups have matched or not.  I haven't seen any
>> > discussion about this behavior in either the manual or the docstring.  I
>> > think the match data in this case should be (0 1 nil nil 0 1 nil nil).
>>
>> You can get that result by passing a list of the expected length as the
>> REUSE argument to match-data:
>
> True, but that also requires knowing the expected length. In the most
> general case this should work for unknown regular expressions.

I don't understand how the general case you describe could occur.  If
you don't know the expected length, that means you don't what groups are
in the regexp, so you can only rely on group 0 existing, i.e., you only
care about the first two elements in the match-data.

Message #24 received at 29343 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2 <at> gmail.com>
To: Noam Postavsky <npostavs <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 29343 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#29343: 27.0.50; Match data doesn't contain elements for
 non-matched subgroups
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 20:42:23 +0200

Am Fr., 19. Apr. 2019 um 20:29 Uhr schrieb Noam Postavsky <npostavs <at> gmail.com>:
>
> Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2 <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Am Sa., 17. März 2018 um 01:37 Uhr schrieb Noam Postavsky <npostavs <at> gmail.com>:
> >>
> >> Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2 <at> gmail.com> writes:
> >>
> >> > $ emacs -Q -batch -eval '(progn (string-match "^\\(a\\)?\\(b\\)\\(c\\)?$" "b") (print (match-data)))'
> >> > (0 1 nil nil 0 1)
> >> >
> >> > Note that neither the `a` nor the `c` group matched, but there are
> >> > entries for `a` in `match-data`, but not for `c`.  This makes working
> >> > with the match data unnecessarily hard because its length depends on
> >> > whether certain optional groups have matched or not.  I haven't seen any
> >> > discussion about this behavior in either the manual or the docstring.  I
> >> > think the match data in this case should be (0 1 nil nil 0 1 nil nil).
> >>
> >> You can get that result by passing a list of the expected length as the
> >> REUSE argument to match-data:
> >
> > True, but that also requires knowing the expected length. In the most
> > general case this should work for unknown regular expressions.
>
> I don't understand how the general case you describe could occur.  If
> you don't know the expected length, that means you don't what groups are
> in the regexp, so you can only rely on group 0 existing, i.e., you only
> care about the first two elements in the match-data.
>

The context here is https://github.com/magnars/s.el/pull/117. Normally
you'd expect something like Python's Match.group
(https://docs.python.org/3/library/re.html#re.Match.group), i.e. a
group match per defined group, even if the group didn't match. That
Emacs doesn't behave this way is surprising and should at least be
documented.

Message #27 received at 29343 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Noam Postavsky <npostavs <at> gmail.com>
To: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2 <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 29343 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#29343: 27.0.50;
 Match data doesn't contain elements for non-matched subgroups
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 14:54:01 -0400

Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2 <at> gmail.com> writes:

>> >> You can get that result by passing a list of the expected length as the
>> >> REUSE argument to match-data:
>> >
>> > True, but that also requires knowing the expected length. In the most
>> > general case this should work for unknown regular expressions.

> The context here is https://github.com/magnars/s.el/pull/117.

Ah, I see, the problem is that s-match is trying to present a "nicer"
interface, so it doesn't have a REUSE argument.

> That Emacs doesn't behave this way is surprising and should at least
> be documented.

Yeah, no argument there.

Message #30 received at 29343 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2 <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 29343 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#29343: Match data doesn't contain elements for trailing
 non-matched subgroups
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2022 16:40:05 +0100

Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2 <at> gmail.com> writes:

> It turns out that this is harder than I expected, because the
> information about the number of groups in the pattern isn't stored
> anywhere, and search_regs.num_regs may be different from the group
> count. If it turns out too hard to fix, the behavior should at least
> be documented.

I've now mentioned this in the doc string in Emacs 29.

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