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25.3; Tramp not honoring `tramp-backup-directory-alist'

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From: "Matz, Daniel A. (JSC-EG511)" <daniel.a.matz <at> nasa.gov>
To: "bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org" <bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org>
Subject: 25.3; Tramp not honoring `tramp-backup-directory-alist'
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 19:46:33 +0000

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Hello,

Tramp seems to have recently stopped honoring `tramp-backup-directory-alist’.  I have it configured to put all backup files in a single directory:

    (setq tramp-backup-directory-alist '(("." . "/Users/dmatz/.emacs.d/var/backup/“)))

But I’ve started noticing backup files being created on the remote systems, in the same directory as the file I am visiting.

I just tested this with emacs -Q as well, and got the same behavior.

Thanks!

Daniel


In GNU Emacs 25.3.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin15.6.0, NS appkit-1404.47 Version 10.11.6 (Build 15G1611))
of 2017-09-13 built on JSSLA17030925
Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.1404
Configured using:
'configure --disable-dependency-tracking --disable-silent-rules
--enable-locallisppath=/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp
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Tramp: Decoding remote file ‘/scpx:ngc09:/home/dmatz/test_file’ using ‘base64 -d -i >%s’...done
Wrote /scpx:ngc09:/home/dmatz/test_file
Making completion list...
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--

Daniel Matz
EG5 - Flight Mechanics and Trajectory Design
NASA Johnson Space Center
daniel.a.matz <at> nasa.gov<mailto:daniel.a.matz <at> nasa.gov>
(281) 244-0263

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Message #8 received at 28959 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de>
To: "Matz\, Daniel A. \(JSC-EG511\)" <daniel.a.matz <at> nasa.gov>
Cc: 28959 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#28959: 25.3; Tramp not honoring `tramp-backup-directory-alist'
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 15:41:17 +0200

"Matz, Daniel A. (JSC-EG511)" <daniel.a.matz <at> nasa.gov> writes:

> Hello, 

Hi Daniel,

> Tramp seems to have recently stopped honoring
> `tramp-backup-directory-alist’.  I have it configured to put all
> backup files in a single directory:
>
>     (setq tramp-backup-directory-alist '(("." .
> "/Users/dmatz/.emacs.d/var/backup/“)))
>
> But I’ve started noticing backup files being created on the remote
> systems, in the same directory as the file I am visiting.
>
> I just tested this with emacs -Q as well, and got the same behavior.

I can reproduce the problem with Emacs 26.0.90, but not with Emacs 25.3
as the report indicates. Will check what's up.

> Thanks!
>
> Daniel

Best regards, Michael.

Message #15 received at 28959 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de>
To: "Matz\, Daniel A. \(JSC-EG511\)" <daniel.a.matz <at> nasa.gov>
Cc: 28959 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#28959: 25.3; Tramp not honoring `tramp-backup-directory-alist'
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 16:28:53 +0200

"Matz, Daniel A. (JSC-EG511)" <daniel.a.matz <at> nasa.gov> writes:

> Hello, 

Hi Daniel,

> Tramp seems to have recently stopped honoring
> `tramp-backup-directory-alist’.  I have it configured to put all
> backup files in a single directory:
>
>     (setq tramp-backup-directory-alist '(("." .
> "/Users/dmatz/.emacs.d/var/backup/“)))
>
> But I’ve started noticing backup files being created on the remote
> systems, in the same directory as the file I am visiting.
>
> I just tested this with emacs -Q as well, and got the same behavior.

I've committed a fix to the emacs-26 branch of Emacs' git repository. Do
you have a chance to check this?

> Thanks!
>
> Daniel

Best regards, Michael.

Message #18 received at 28959 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de>
To: "Matz\, Daniel A. \(JSC-EG511\)" <daniel.a.matz <at> nasa.gov>
Cc: 28959 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#28959: 25.3; Tramp not honoring `tramp-backup-directory-alist'
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 18:09:33 +0200

"Matz, Daniel A. (JSC-EG511)" <daniel.a.matz <at> nasa.gov> writes:

> Hi, Michael.

Hi Daniel,

[Pls keep 28959 <at> debbugs.gnu.org in Cc, for the archives]

> I built the emacs-26 branch and started emacs with -Q, and
> unfortunately the backup files are still being created on the remote
> system, in the same directory as the file I am visiting.
>
> Is there anything else I can do to help you debug this?

Could you pls check that your checkout is recent? It must contain

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
~/src/emacs-26> git log
commit 646e56e150ca08978d6ce736b12867b4958a0cd8 (HEAD -> emacs-26, origin/emacs-26)
Author: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de>
Date:   Thu Oct 26 16:24:28 2017 +0200

    Fix Bug#28959
    
    * lisp/net/tramp.el (tramp-handle-find-backup-file-name):
    Use `tramp-tramp-file-p' rather than `tramp-file-name-p'.  Add
    hop to backup file name.  (Bug#28959)
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

Furthermore, you might run

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
~/src/emacs-26> make -C test tramp-tests
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

There are several Tramp tests; the most interesting is

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
   passed  43/58  tramp-test34-find-backup-file-name
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

Do you see this?

> Thanks!
>
> Daniel

Best regards, Michael.

Message #21 received at 28959 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "Matz, Daniel A. (JSC-EG511)" <daniel.a.matz <at> nasa.gov>
To: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de>
Cc: "28959 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <28959 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: bug#28959: 25.3; Tramp not honoring `tramp-backup-directory-alist'
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 16:38:17 +0000

Michael,

I double checked my checkout, and it is recent and includes your commit.

For the tests, 43/58 does indeed pass.  Here’s the summary that prints at the end:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
Ran 58 tests, 54 results as expected, 1 unexpected, 3 skipped (2017-10-26 11:33:34-0500)
1 expected failures

1 unexpected results:
   FAILED  tramp-test30-environment-variables-and-port-numbers

3 skipped results:
  SKIPPED  tramp-test36-special-characters-with-stat
  SKIPPED  tramp-test37-utf8-with-stat
  SKIPPED  tramp-test38-file-system-info
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

The only other failure was 11/58 tramp-test05-expand-file-name-relative, which I suppose must be the expected failure that is mentioned.

Daniel

> On Oct 26, 2017, at 11:09 AM, Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de> wrote:
> 
> "Matz, Daniel A. (JSC-EG511)" <daniel.a.matz <at> nasa.gov> writes:
> 
>> Hi, Michael.
> 
> Hi Daniel,
> 
> [Pls keep 28959 <at> debbugs.gnu.org in Cc, for the archives]
> 
>> I built the emacs-26 branch and started emacs with -Q, and
>> unfortunately the backup files are still being created on the remote
>> system, in the same directory as the file I am visiting.
>> 
>> Is there anything else I can do to help you debug this?
> 
> Could you pls check that your checkout is recent? It must contain
> 
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> ~/src/emacs-26> git log
> commit 646e56e150ca08978d6ce736b12867b4958a0cd8 (HEAD -> emacs-26, origin/emacs-26)
> Author: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de>
> Date:   Thu Oct 26 16:24:28 2017 +0200
> 
>    Fix Bug#28959
> 
>    * lisp/net/tramp.el (tramp-handle-find-backup-file-name):
>    Use `tramp-tramp-file-p' rather than `tramp-file-name-p'.  Add
>    hop to backup file name.  (Bug#28959)
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
> 
> Furthermore, you might run
> 
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> ~/src/emacs-26> make -C test tramp-tests
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
> 
> There are several Tramp tests; the most interesting is
> 
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
>   passed  43/58  tramp-test34-find-backup-file-name
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
> 
> Do you see this?
> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Daniel
> 
> Best regards, Michael.

Message #24 received at 28959 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de>
To: "Matz\, Daniel A. \(JSC-EG511\)" <daniel.a.matz <at> nasa.gov>
Cc: "28959 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <28959 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: bug#28959: 25.3; Tramp not honoring `tramp-backup-directory-alist'
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 19:39:58 +0200

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"Matz, Daniel A. (JSC-EG511)" <daniel.a.matz <at> nasa.gov> writes:

> Michael,

Hi Daniel,

> I double checked my checkout, and it is recent and includes your commit.
>
> For the tests, 43/58 does indeed pass.  Here’s the summary that prints
> at the end:

This guarantees you have the latest changes. I've added
tramp-test34-find-backup-file-name earlier today, and you have it.

So we need traces. Could you pls apply the appended patch to tramp.el?
Set tramp-verbose to 6, and rerun your test. Hopefully, we'll see what
happens in the Tramp debug buffer, which you'll send to me.

If you fear there are sensible information, you could send the debug
buffer to me directly, w/o Cc.

> Daniel

Best regards, Michael.

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Message #29 received at 28959-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de>
To: "Matz\, Daniel A. \(JSC-EG511\)" <daniel.a.matz <at> nasa.gov>
Cc: 28959-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#28959: 25.3; Tramp not honoring `tramp-backup-directory-alist'
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 18:34:46 +0100

Version: 26.1

"Matz, Daniel A. (JSC-EG511)" <daniel.a.matz <at> nasa.gov> writes:

> Michael,

Hi Daniel,

> Well that explains it then.  The configuration you suggested does
> indeed do what I want.

[For the archives: I've recommended to use `backup-directory-alist'
instead of `tramp-backup-directory-alist']

OK, so I'm closing the bug.

> I apologize for taking up your time with this when in the end it was
> just user error!

Your bug report was helpful! As you have seen with my patch, I found a
Tramp error indeed, which is fixed now.

> Thank you again for your help, and for Tramp!
>
> Daniel

Best regards, Michael.

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