From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:34:04 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#28842 <28842@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#28842 <28842@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: gnus-sync is missing Reply-To: bug#28842 <28842@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2025 18:34:04 +0000 retitle 28842 gnus-sync is missing reassign 28842 emacs,gnus submitter 28842 Andreas Schwab severity 28842 normal thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Oct 15 03:39:17 2017 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Oct 2017 07:39:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40884 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e3dW1-0002EL-In for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 03:39:17 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:35349) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e3dW0-0002E5-FZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 03:39:16 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e3dVu-0005j2-GG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 03:39:11 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:56668) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e3dVu-0005iu-Cx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 03:39:10 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54553) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e3dVt-0008LG-CI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 03:39:10 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e3dVq-0005gx-9j for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 03:39:09 -0400 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.9]:40250) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e3dVq-0005gf-2p for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 03:39:06 -0400 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3yFCy04WG2z1qrMv for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 09:39:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.70]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3yFCy03TSfz1qqkH for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 09:39:04 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.70]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RlGGEWd_OuQm for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 09:39:03 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Info: PFvT2ipGxk9pjT80DwyqdM4OHMXUG4cy6mbqcF8dmOxZPjyXnqKiIxEDC2FEY41s Received: from whitebox (ppp-188-174-154-33.dynamic.mnet-online.de [188.174.154.33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 09:39:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: gnus-sync is missing X-Yow: Yow! Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 09:39:03 +0200 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.90 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) There is no replacement for gnus-sync. That makes it impossible to sync gnus data between emacs versions. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." 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[76.28.41.155]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r124sm1841577qkf.16.2017.12.09.11.58.37 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sat, 09 Dec 2017 11:58:37 -0800 (PST) From: Ted Zlatanov To: Andreas Schwab Subject: Re: bug#28842: gnus-sync is missing Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos References: X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 14:58:35 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Andreas Schwab's message of "Sun, 15 Oct 2017 09:39:03 +0200") Message-ID: <87374jd66s.fsf@lifelogs.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28842 Cc: 28842@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 09:39:03 +0200 Andreas Schwab wrote: AS> There is no replacement for gnus-sync. That makes it impossible to sync AS> gnus data between emacs versions. Considering the number of known users of gnus-sync was in the single digits, I think that's OK. If you disagree, take a look at gnus-sync and see if you can propose a way to support it with gnus-cloud. I don't see a simple way. Thanks Ted From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 10 06:37:48 2017 Received: (at 28842) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Dec 2017 11:37:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54525 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eNzvY-0007Vw-0S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 06:37:48 -0500 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]:38529) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eNzvW-0007Vl-AH for 28842@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 06:37:46 -0500 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3yvkbY1Fgvz1qshC for <28842@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 12:37:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.70]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3yvkbX6nfDz1qqkK for <28842@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 12:37:44 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.70]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vx9cdPMvb-kj for <28842@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 12:37:44 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Info: OyRQkZLzDistL1EV2JqcTAJWrzmze+hvabk8YFo9yax0pSFr+BEKBFd8fGp2pfEh Received: from localhost (ppp-188-174-155-136.dynamic.mnet-online.de [188.174.155.136]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA for <28842@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 12:37:44 +0100 (CET) Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 904382C10C6; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 12:37:43 +0100 (CET) From: Andreas Schwab To: 28842@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#28842: gnus-sync is missing References: <87374jd66s.fsf@lifelogs.com> X-Yow: Used staples are good with SOY SAUCE! Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 12:37:43 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87374jd66s.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Sat, 09 Dec 2017 14:58:35 -0500") Message-ID: <87bmj6dda0.fsf@linux-m68k.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.90 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28842 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) On Dez 09 2017, Ted Zlatanov wrote: > Considering the number of known users of gnus-sync was in the single > digits, I think that's OK. If you disagree, take a look at gnus-sync and > see if you can propose a way to support it with gnus-cloud. gnus-cloud does not work. gnus-sync does. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." 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[76.28.41.155]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m5sm3232718qkh.90.2017.12.10.05.15.39 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sun, 10 Dec 2017 05:15:40 -0800 (PST) From: Ted Zlatanov To: Andreas Schwab Subject: Re: bug#28842: gnus-sync is missing Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos References: <87374jd66s.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87bmj6dda0.fsf@linux-m68k.org> X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 08:15:39 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87bmj6dda0.fsf@linux-m68k.org> (Andreas Schwab's message of "Sun, 10 Dec 2017 12:37:43 +0100") Message-ID: <87vahe911g.fsf@lifelogs.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28842 Cc: 28842@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 12:37:43 +0100 Andreas Schwab wrote: AS> On Dez 09 2017, Ted Zlatanov wrote: >> Considering the number of known users of gnus-sync was in the single >> digits, I think that's OK. If you disagree, take a look at gnus-sync and >> see if you can propose a way to support it with gnus-cloud. AS> gnus-cloud does not work. gnus-sync does. That's not the direction I want to take, though. If you disagree, take a look at gnus-sync and see if you can propose a way to support it with gnus-cloud. Ted From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 10 08:41:26 2017 Received: (at 28842) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Dec 2017 13:41:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54600 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eO1rC-0004KV-4h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 08:41:26 -0500 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]:48971) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eO1rA-0004KM-DW for 28842@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 08:41:24 -0500 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3yvnLC2HKrz1qqkr for <28842@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 14:41:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.70]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3yvnLC1qv3z1qqkK for <28842@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 14:41:23 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.70]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id poiSVIps9wJ3 for <28842@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 14:41:22 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Info: UBGhRS3RU6cgTYoGEJT1f8jPopckwE5KniFiC653DJWWQMIHU9eMs+Dh2P3vlXSU Received: from localhost (ppp-188-174-155-136.dynamic.mnet-online.de [188.174.155.136]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA for <28842@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 14:41:22 +0100 (CET) Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CA2F32C2D4B; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 14:41:21 +0100 (CET) From: Andreas Schwab To: 28842@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#28842: gnus-sync is missing References: <87374jd66s.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87bmj6dda0.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <87vahe911g.fsf@lifelogs.com> X-Yow: JAPAN is a WONDERFUL planet -- I wonder if we'll ever reach their level of COMPARATIVE SHOPPING... Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 14:41:21 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87vahe911g.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Sun, 10 Dec 2017 08:15:39 -0500") Message-ID: <87374id7jy.fsf@linux-m68k.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.90 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28842 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) On Dez 10 2017, Ted Zlatanov wrote: > If you disagree, take a look at gnus-sync and see if you can propose a > way to support it with gnus-cloud. I don't understand. gnus-sync works ootb. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." 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[76.28.41.155]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t48sm4206799qtc.10.2017.12.11.06.57.52 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Mon, 11 Dec 2017 06:57:53 -0800 (PST) From: Ted Zlatanov To: Andreas Schwab Subject: Re: bug#28842: gnus-sync is missing Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos References: <87374jd66s.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87bmj6dda0.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <87vahe911g.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87374id7jy.fsf@linux-m68k.org> X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 09:57:51 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87374id7jy.fsf@linux-m68k.org> (Andreas Schwab's message of "Sun, 10 Dec 2017 14:41:21 +0100") Message-ID: <877ett8g7k.fsf@lifelogs.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28842-done Cc: 28842-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 14:41:21 +0100 Andreas Schwab wrote: AS> On Dez 10 2017, Ted Zlatanov wrote: >> If you disagree, take a look at gnus-sync and see if you can propose a >> way to support it with gnus-cloud. AS> I don't understand. gnus-sync works ootb. I've made the decision to stop supporting gnus-sync in favor of gnus-cloud. The decision is based on number of users, data store consistency, and the implementation details. I'm closing this ticket because it's not a bug that gnus-sync is missing, and I don't think enough Gnus user eyeballs will catch it here if we discuss it as a feature. If you want to bring gnus-sync back, please post in the Gnus mailing list and we can discuss the specifics. Thanks Ted From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 11 10:40:43 2017 Received: (at 28842) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Dec 2017 15:40:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56983 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eOQCB-0002G7-J9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 10:40:43 -0500 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.9]:37247) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eOQC9-0002Fx-RB for 28842@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 10:40:42 -0500 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ywRxN58Phz1qskT; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:40:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.70]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ywRxN4549z1qqkg; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:40:40 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.70]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WBATc_YhPHyz; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:40:40 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Info: /IjYPyOpZvR2OMQausbdVP34sddeQAYsoYUGb1dRQ3nySfzaGnRcx342kFiP6Pgo Received: from hawking (charybdis-ext.suse.de [195.135.221.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:40:40 +0100 (CET) From: Andreas Schwab To: 28842@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#28842: gnus-sync is missing References: <87374jd66s.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87bmj6dda0.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <87vahe911g.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87374id7jy.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <877ett8g7k.fsf@lifelogs.com> X-Yow: I like the way ONLY their mouths move.. They look like DYING OYSTERS Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:40:39 +0100 In-Reply-To: <877ett8g7k.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Mon, 11 Dec 2017 09:57:51 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28842 Cc: tzz@lifelogs.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Dez 11 2017, Ted Zlatanov wrote: > I've made the decision to stop supporting gnus-sync in favor of > gnus-cloud. The decision is based on number of users, data store > consistency, and the implementation details. None of that is relevant if gnus-cloud does not work. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 11 10:49:46 2017 Received: (at 28842) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Dec 2017 15:49:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56995 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eOQKw-0002VS-5Z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 10:49:46 -0500 Received: from mail-qt0-f179.google.com ([209.85.216.179]:36995) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eOQKu-0002VD-1k for 28842@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 10:49:44 -0500 Received: by mail-qt0-f179.google.com with SMTP id f2so39574154qtj.4 for <28842@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 07:49:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lifelogs.com; s=google; h=from:to:cc:subject:organization:references:mail-copies-to:date :in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=J1L7yodNc5kT2OKyT/g8MeN7YGB/8ZAglswv5fGTp+Q=; b=sCCzFEkCXqG0F1KDGXYmDpWY9D0z+qQ6QO4tahr25b5I1LG41UA/w2JdHDrm4yL+tr CH9vNbQtahKMKDHdA6saWi+CM+kiW6gKKIM0TVE0zPFMGEKMRSN97VH4/bFCmtlu71Y3 FTsvh5VYFam0T7rM/2ckE30hbg0BL+4JuRrQM= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:organization:references :mail-copies-to:date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=J1L7yodNc5kT2OKyT/g8MeN7YGB/8ZAglswv5fGTp+Q=; b=itbGSPNeHlqMaU6JR3+KJpQkvwOLFGbD49uwmXFMrrksAwfJujPzSY6ByolgZAbm6E eg4h61JlSS2WJh5E42OFNU1LHrYxFoFPZ/c3GJYNqGUoap+YRovsIQgiW3FvfxtxS8Of 9AEBjDIBfQVgNXyEOqu3XJJIKzRMxk5hqDFwBkB878tYW0tguMANZjZz3sNf4zjW17xu kDs7Wna4cWUBTLcQI+sFZnO6mLjX+9jgWcsvMlEgDXjwztlEmUnZ8iM+4u9/LtWNyyOJ YRXNXgu7pGWbZEhhWPxXRzSfTOnXziylb5YpOAq5M8XQaUQaPUGP1aC41K+UGRFerEZ2 FnyQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mKaT/ZO6doO/tjRsBqVJoNFE0VQdzIHZBKcFbmqFDEEVrVOsb3n DktnzNm1hGTyMqxsK8H82i8PVcbJcXs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBoviGhPLiOBm310U8qJHJsNm25YGw28F8jlCqZnjg6XpnGH+kuHbEpXv1CqSeyM8Y7KVdB08+g== X-Received: by 10.55.141.195 with SMTP id p186mr1122394qkd.313.1513007378104; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 07:49:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from flea (c-76-28-41-155.hsd1.ma.comcast.net. [76.28.41.155]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e56sm4277754qtc.46.2017.12.11.07.49.36 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Mon, 11 Dec 2017 07:49:37 -0800 (PST) From: Ted Zlatanov To: Andreas Schwab Subject: Re: bug#28842: gnus-sync is missing Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos References: <87374jd66s.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87bmj6dda0.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <87vahe911g.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87374id7jy.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <877ett8g7k.fsf@lifelogs.com> X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 10:49:35 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Andreas Schwab's message of "Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:40:39 +0100") Message-ID: <87mv2p6z8w.fsf@lifelogs.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28842 Cc: 28842@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:40:39 +0100 Andreas Schwab wrote: AS> On Dez 11 2017, Ted Zlatanov wrote: >> I've made the decision to stop supporting gnus-sync in favor of >> gnus-cloud. The decision is based on number of users, data store >> consistency, and the implementation details. AS> None of that is relevant if gnus-cloud does not work. Your argument is entirely negative. Ted From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 11 10:51:54 2017 Received: (at 28842) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Dec 2017 15:51:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57025 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eOQN0-0002bJ-0n for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 10:51:54 -0500 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.9]:51054) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eOQMx-0002b9-Qd for 28842@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 10:51:52 -0500 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ywSBH1QTtz1qskd for <28842@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:51:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.70]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ywSBH0NC9z1qqkT for <28842@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:51:51 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.70]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id igB6li-Mr-t9 for <28842@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:51:50 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Info: O+7DsRSCvRkqYTOSyyml0K1NRritqEMIu733JbM96SoBz0rDJp5U4F2lqU9SRruw Received: from hawking (charybdis-ext.suse.de [195.135.221.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA for <28842@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:51:50 +0100 (CET) From: Andreas Schwab To: 28842@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#28842: gnus-sync is missing References: <87374jd66s.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87bmj6dda0.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <87vahe911g.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87374id7jy.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <877ett8g7k.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87mv2p6z8w.fsf@lifelogs.com> X-Yow: Well, I'm INVISIBLE AGAIN.. I might as well pay a visit to the LADIES ROOM... Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:51:50 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87mv2p6z8w.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Mon, 11 Dec 2017 10:49:35 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28842 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Dez 11 2017, Ted Zlatanov wrote: > On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:40:39 +0100 Andreas Schwab wrote: > > AS> On Dez 11 2017, Ted Zlatanov wrote: >>> I've made the decision to stop supporting gnus-sync in favor of >>> gnus-cloud. The decision is based on number of users, data store >>> consistency, and the implementation details. > > AS> None of that is relevant if gnus-cloud does not work. > > Your argument is entirely negative. It's true. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 11 17:38:03 2017 Received: (at 28842) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Dec 2017 22:38:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57399 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eOWi3-0000MO-Gj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:38:03 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:43175) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eOWi1-0000Ll-UC for 28842@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:38:02 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eOWhw-0005l9-2P for 28842@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:37:56 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:47717) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eOWht-0005k2-Rr; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:37:53 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eOWht-0005nF-DD; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:37:53 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Andreas Schwab In-reply-to: (message from Andreas Schwab on Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:40:39 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#28842: gnus-sync is missing References: <87374jd66s.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87bmj6dda0.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <87vahe911g.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87374id7jy.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <877ett8g7k.fsf@lifelogs.com> Message-Id: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:37:53 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28842 Cc: tzz@lifelogs.com, 28842@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] The name "gnus-cloud" has a problem -- it uses the word "cloud" which is a buzzword that spreads confusion. Using that term is harmful. (See https://gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#CloudComputing.) What does this facility do? Surely we can find a coherent and non-confusing name for it. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See https://stallman.org/skype.html. 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[76.28.41.155]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c2sm5855238qkf.20.2017.12.12.09.15.28 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Tue, 12 Dec 2017 09:15:29 -0800 (PST) From: Ted Zlatanov To: Richard Stallman Subject: Re: bug#28842: gnus-sync is missing Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos References: <87374jd66s.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87bmj6dda0.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <87vahe911g.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87374id7jy.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <877ett8g7k.fsf@lifelogs.com> X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:15:26 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:37:53 -0500") Message-ID: <87a7yn7tqp.fsf@lifelogs.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28842 Cc: 28842@debbugs.gnu.org, Andreas Schwab X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:37:53 -0500 Richard Stallman wrote: RS> The name "gnus-cloud" has a problem -- it uses the word "cloud" RS> which is a buzzword that spreads confusion. Using that term is harmful. RS> (See https://gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#CloudComputing.) RS> What does this facility do? Surely we can find a coherent and RS> non-confusing name for it. We had that discussion in emacs-devel. I don't think it belongs in this bug report. Thanks Ted From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 12 17:09:07 2017 Received: (at 28842) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Dec 2017 22:09:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59023 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eOsja-0006h9-Un for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 17:09:07 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50271) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eOsjX-0006gX-Ee for 28842@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 17:09:04 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eOsjR-0002nS-5y for 28842@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 17:08:58 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:55522) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eOsjM-0002iI-Tq; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 17:08:52 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eOsjM-0000PB-02; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 17:08:52 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Ted Zlatanov In-reply-to: <87a7yn7tqp.fsf@lifelogs.com> (message from Ted Zlatanov on Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:15:26 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#28842: gnus-sync is missing References: <87374jd66s.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87bmj6dda0.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <87vahe911g.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87374id7jy.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <877ett8g7k.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87a7yn7tqp.fsf@lifelogs.com> Message-Id: Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 17:08:51 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28842 Cc: 28842@debbugs.gnu.org, schwab@linux-m68k.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I don't think it belongs in this > bug report. I will move it emacs-devel, to oblige you, but it's an important issue. > We had that discussion in emacs-devel. When was that? What was in the subject field? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See https://stallman.org/skype.html. 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[76.28.41.155]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j30sm302054qkh.61.2017.12.12.15.42.05 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Tue, 12 Dec 2017 15:42:11 -0800 (PST) From: Ted Zlatanov To: Richard Stallman Subject: Re: bug#28842: gnus-sync is missing Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos References: <87374jd66s.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87bmj6dda0.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <87vahe911g.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87374id7jy.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <877ett8g7k.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87a7yn7tqp.fsf@lifelogs.com> X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 18:41:58 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Tue, 12 Dec 2017 17:08:51 -0500") Message-ID: <878te75xa1.fsf@lifelogs.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28842-done Cc: schwab@linux-m68k.org, 28842-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 17:08:51 -0500 Richard Stallman wrote: >> I don't think it belongs in this bug report. RS> I will move it emacs-devel, to oblige you, but it's an important issue. Thank you. Don't do it to oblige me, but because it's already been discussed so we don't retread the same arguments :) >> We had that discussion in emacs-devel. RS> When was that? What was in the subject field? Your initial post, subject "instead of gnus-cloud.el" https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2016-07/msg00552.html I had some followups, last one: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2016-07/msg00617.html Ted From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:34:04 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 12:24:04 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator