From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 12 04:32:26 2017 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Oct 2017 08:32:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34846 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e2Yun-0006I9-Qe for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 04:32:26 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:40305) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e2Yum-0006Hu-I2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 04:32:25 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e2Yug-0004zy-FM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 04:32:19 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,FREEMAIL_FROM, HTML_MESSAGE,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:60999) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e2Yug-0004zr-Ab for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 04:32:18 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59490) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e2Yue-0000Qj-P9 for guix-patches@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 04:32:18 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e2Yua-0004tm-HT for guix-patches@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 04:32:16 -0400 Received: from mx.kolabnow.com ([95.128.36.42]:40776) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e2Yua-0004pb-5F for guix-patches@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 04:32:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by ext-mx-out002.mykolab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06454274 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 10:32:08 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mykolab.com; h= message-id:subject:subject:from:from:date:date:content-type :content-type:mime-version:received:received:received; s= dkim20160331; t=1507797127; x=1507797149; bh=VBl7vz6K7TM7wP+cByZ u36yXni56IS+6O8M5Il7E6Fk=; b=cGfeS5CoAC8ej7hb9EA+L4cxVvN6pKO43mD S4HtH7/qTFgURO6oIjjqG2V5kNckEM8mbWl9VlLfFFYig7I4GWCU90Khr+GRk3hA 4Spnp02y1+34HsLhSnb7PFcw+BaJw3giNDAZFAAOzVXi9yxP4Vw1Uo+HhZqTOEbf fI6H2VLjGL+MG8AzsGou5UFLZeldwTHTmOf087LrbjzHCeML931aEhmtS/R7uARl A+mQiwAT5Wi9PwjYBhagXhiYBrsga551+FLXskQ3GIglGwBhW/YmGKZpXkdv9u30 103ldkFqpYiYhDO2v61LG7jdXORC7WUHawxIx6BW2if5TPgJ3WhgVKiLtvhT5CmV iyKjt8RdtN4PffsWpc5QfRZr7kDGGoykSO6Af95cJ4hhSW9aT+g++VDKLUm37nul j+n6Xhmo2FGhYZSMTdgeJbdzqVk/jTGlWnHBQBJMtWFhanBR9hOUoDm0hCKc663Y gstvvJkIf5xWmVFakD16/YB5mocRDQl87gyH8yKPzOe6je+ZzwstDZc9FR8eJqJe WCWwMNX5ZR7aTkxVhYsupGAswyk2MBdxEb8oN7iXKn9nY6NG6c2Vxk6pBFxMZzO1 vDj2boErP6ZvMXN/aYfXW2mWHMKcWXgqO4nsaEi5jUgMpBYvNhzqBcbKKyUD+Ikd fRDeYbEE= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mykolab.com Received: from mx.kolabnow.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ext-mx-out002.mykolab.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xOJhWtbm5n85 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 10:32:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from int-mx001.mykolab.com (unknown [10.9.13.1]) by ext-mx-out002.mykolab.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42A6015E for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 10:32:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from int-subm002.mykolab.com (unknown [10.9.37.2]) by int-mx001.mykolab.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 34334100 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 10:32:07 +0200 (CEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_f792aa9c7b68fc5b70015b4d99688613" Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 10:32:06 +0200 From: Rutger Helling To: guix-patches@gnu.org Subject: [PATCH] gnu: games: Add openrct2. Message-ID: X-Sender: rhelling@mykolab.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) --=_f792aa9c7b68fc5b70015b4d99688613 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_048894f8529632395c6996b142680bd6" --=_048894f8529632395c6996b142680bd6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hey Guix, This patch adds OpenRCT2. --=_048894f8529632395c6996b142680bd6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8

Hey Guix,

This patch adds OpenRCT2.

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13 Oct 2017 08:50:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36841 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e2vfi-00075F-Kv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 04:50:22 -0400 Received: from hera.aquilenet.fr ([141.255.128.1]:52555) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e2vfg-000755-NA for 28794@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 04:50:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hera.aquilenet.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C18ED872; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 10:50:20 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at aquilenet.fr Received: from hera.aquilenet.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (hera.aquilenet.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aYOkfm8vJ6UK; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 10:50:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ribbon (unknown [193.50.110.214]) by hera.aquilenet.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 551E8D7DE; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 10:50:19 +0200 (CEST) From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?=) To: Rutger Helling Subject: Re: [bug#28794] [PATCH] gnu: games: Add openrct2. References: X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 22 =?utf-8?Q?Vend=C3=A9miaire?= an 226 de la =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 10:50:17 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Rutger Helling's message of "Thu, 12 Oct 2017 10:32:06 +0200") Message-ID: <87d15rqvna.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28794 Cc: 28794@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) Hi Rutger, Rutger Helling skribis: > From 12255f73d23a078fc2da099f22564e20cf3c69cc Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 > From: Rutger Helling > Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 10:22:27 +0200 > Subject: [PATCH] gnu: games: Add openrct2. > > * gnu/packages/games.scm (openrct2): New variable. The patch LGTM. However, when starting the program, it says that it needs files (supposedly artwork) from the original RollerCoaster Tycoon=C2=A02 and exits immediately. That makes the package useless in the absence of these presumably non-free files. Looking at , I think we cannot really consider these files to be non-functional data because the software doesn=E2=80=99t do anything if they are missing. So I wonder whether it makes sense to include it in Guix as-is. WDYT? Do you know what Debian or other free distros do? Thank you, Ludo=E2=80=99. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 13 06:16:23 2017 Received: (at 28794) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Oct 2017 10:16:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36924 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e2x0u-0001CQ-8d for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 06:16:23 -0400 Received: from mx.kolabnow.com ([95.128.36.41]:3310) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e2x0r-0001CC-Td for 28794@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 06:16:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by ext-mx-out001.mykolab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17883294; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 12:16:12 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mykolab.com; h= message-id:references:in-reply-to:subject:subject:from:from:date :date:content-type:content-type:mime-version:received:received :received; s=dkim20160331; t=1507889770; x=1507889792; bh=0DqMw7 3nMmaEs9OEQpTnVBYv3XVhOunLHVGAF492qeU=; b=joMThiIJ7COUqfoKoGthKa I8C3Slnhx+TweAB24JLwm9wXrMmqhcUEOAiE5L105+D7g/X7pI42QdkjWwlFFcyZ I6AdKySrXJ44EnBLSrM/fkj5P+pW/38iXiJ0BKUFVvH1DSO+AMu884NseEEas9Z0 xpGnx/wYflHuqC8aSoJVK03cZsjVr3NGjA13Nukbip+Jtzxu6OKRP6KoAaCepMZ/ uCIf01BwA8GpDxGakG8CWUzwBys2SXewaeeuKuh7lcdnTMr6KpAwawJucurMAEB2 Vg+QmNSkgPe5+DgDTETzsVrTpKhakc2V1ONUTdi5Tt44cDiKk/TPpGdv+SkrYAxa dHomCpS0XUoqcSxd2mBtZKB49DD7Ap/9UVqJ1PAQiNMISfJHYzT1oqLReBc/L6lj yt12lgs06oHbXwFu/jgpqV1Ordb46PgmJZnJEWt8ZRYO+drNget/clSsohS4vHw2 VrcrMGyC6wLNCZCq9CSxuilJMPbF2yxMenoWLQp00+HCO0+y/pNPpYB1lUfij3fV xG+29L6HjgC1IT7SxzuA8b9FgpxvoWkPLn2Kt4jij+HAukR0ztzl0acEmEypPSbh aSWhW+/96PjmifADddk3BhGSlaV/464N+XSi+EhfR35Ggd3/1G6kkyrzIF/HsBDR /aiPbkvuW4Wn9Cv5lHSAw= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mykolab.com Received: from mx.kolabnow.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ext-mx-out001.mykolab.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u5jnPX4q7Imp; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 12:16:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from int-mx002.mykolab.com (unknown [10.9.13.2]) by ext-mx-out001.mykolab.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0524B18E; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 12:16:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from int-subm001.mykolab.com (unknown [10.9.37.1]) by int-mx002.mykolab.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D292D233D; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 12:16:09 +0200 (CEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_59da800dae8184de7d1d33e05e1f0f0b" Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 10:16:09 +0000 From: Rutger Helling To: ludo@gnu.org, 28794@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: [bug#28794] [PATCH] gnu: games: Add openrct2. In-Reply-To: <87d15rqvna.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87d15rqvna.fsf@gnu.org> Message-ID: X-Sender: rhelling@mykolab.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28794 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) --=_59da800dae8184de7d1d33e05e1f0f0b Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hey Ludo, I think it makes sense to add it, but have it be the responsibility of the user to provide the assets, since these files can never be bundled in Guix. Maybe it should explicitly mention that. Note that Guix already has a similar situation with an accepted package, OpenMW. OpenMW also does nothing without the original game's assets. Since that got accepted I figured it made sense to add this package. OpenMW seems to have been accepted in Debian too: https://packages.debian.org/sid/openmw. For reference, here's the list of required assets for OpenRCT2: https://github.com/OpenRCT2/OpenRCT2/wiki/Required-RCT2-files. Personally I think it makes sense to provide libre engine replacements for games, to motivate users to use those instead of running proprietary code. The FSF directory even explicitly mentions OpenMW for example: https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/OpenMW. On 2017-10-13 08:50, ludo@gnu.org wrote: > Hi Rutger, > > Rutger Helling skribis: > >> From 12255f73d23a078fc2da099f22564e20cf3c69cc Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 >> From: Rutger Helling >> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 10:22:27 +0200 >> Subject: [PATCH] gnu: games: Add openrct2. >> >> * gnu/packages/games.scm (openrct2): New variable. > > The patch LGTM. However, when starting the program, it says that it > needs files (supposedly artwork) from the original RollerCoaster > Tycoon 2 and exits immediately. > > That makes the package useless in the absence of these presumably > non-free files. > > Looking at > , > I think we cannot really consider these files to be non-functional data > because the software doesn't do anything if they are missing. So I > wonder whether it makes sense to include it in Guix as-is. > > WDYT? Do you know what Debian or other free distros do? > > Thank you, > Ludo'. --=_59da800dae8184de7d1d33e05e1f0f0b Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8

Hey Ludo,

I think it makes sense to add it, but have it be th= e responsibility of the user to provide the assets, since these files can n= ever be bundled in Guix. Maybe it should explicitly mention that.

Note that Guix already has a similar situation with an accepted package, = OpenMW. OpenMW also does nothing without the original game's assets. Since = that got accepted I figured it made sense to add this package.

OpenMW seems to have been accepted in Debian too: https://packages.debian.org/sid/openmw.

For reference, here's the list of required assets for OpenRCT2: https://= github.com/OpenRCT2/OpenRCT2/wiki/Required-RCT2-files.

Personally I think it makes sense to provide libre engine replacements f= or games, to motivate users to use those instead of running proprietary cod= e. The FSF directory even explicitly mentions OpenMW for example: https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/O= penMW.

On 2017-10-13 08:50, ludo@gnu.org wrote:

= Hi Rutger,

Rutger Helling <rhelling@mykolab.com> skribis:

From 12255f73d23a078fc2da099f22564e20cf3c69cc Mon Sep = 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Rutger Helling <rhelling@mykolab.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 10:2= 2:27 +0200
Subject: [PATCH] gnu: games: Add openrct2.

* = gnu/packages/games.scm (openrct2): New variable.

The patch LGTM.  However, when starting the program, it says th= at it
needs files (supposedly artwork) from the original RollerCoaste= r
Tycoon 2 and exits immediately.

That makes the pa= ckage useless in the absence of these presumably
non-free files.

Looking at
<https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribu= tion-guidelines.html#non-functional-data>,
I think we cannot r= eally consider these files to be non-functional data
because the soft= ware doesn't do anything if they are missing.  So I
wonder wheth= er it makes sense to include it in Guix as-is.

WDYT?  Do = you know what Debian or other free distros do?

Thank you,
Ludo'.


--=_59da800dae8184de7d1d33e05e1f0f0b-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 13 07:44:50 2017 Received: (at 28794) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Oct 2017 11:44:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36946 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e2yOT-0005fP-9A for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 07:44:49 -0400 Received: from aibo.runbox.com ([91.220.196.211]:53256) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e2yOO-0005fD-9Y for 28794@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 07:44:43 -0400 Received: from [10.9.9.210] (helo=mailfront10.runbox.com) by mailtransmit03.runbox with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e2yOG-0005Xz-4x; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 13:44:32 +0200 Received: from [156.67.106.30] (helo=localhost) by mailfront10.runbox.com with esmtpsa (uid:892961 ) (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) id 1e2yOE-00041E-0i; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 13:44:30 +0200 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 11:43:45 +0000 From: ng0 To: Rutger Helling Subject: Re: [bug#28794] [PATCH] gnu: games: Add openrct2. Message-ID: <20171013114345.xyguob5nky7vluxr@abyayala> References: <87d15rqvna.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="3qfn4wdfjqsgj5w5" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28794 Cc: 28794@debbugs.gnu.org, ludo@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --3qfn4wdfjqsgj5w5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rutger Helling transcribed 5.3K bytes: > Hey Ludo, >=20 > I think it makes sense to add it, but have it be the responsibility of > the user to provide the assets, since these files can never be bundled > in Guix. Maybe it should explicitly mention that. >=20 > Note that Guix already has a similar situation with an accepted package, > OpenMW. OpenMW also does nothing without the original game's assets. > Since that got accepted I figured it made sense to add this package.=20 >=20 > OpenMW seems to have been accepted in Debian too: > https://packages.debian.org/sid/openmw.=20 >=20 > For reference, here's the list of required assets for OpenRCT2: > https://github.com/OpenRCT2/OpenRCT2/wiki/Required-RCT2-files.=20 >=20 > Personally I think it makes sense to provide libre engine replacements > for games, to motivate users to use those instead of running proprietary > code. The FSF directory even explicitly mentions OpenMW for example: > https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/OpenMW.=20 Additionally: Do you know if an upstream bug report already exists on replacing the original data requirements? As much as I liked RCT2 back then - and I still have the disks - it would be pretty cool to see a full re-implementation with original new art! > On 2017-10-13 08:50, ludo@gnu.org wrote: >=20 > > Hi Rutger, > >=20 > > Rutger Helling skribis: > >=20 > >> From 12255f73d23a078fc2da099f22564e20cf3c69cc Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 > >> From: Rutger Helling > >> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 10:22:27 +0200 > >> Subject: [PATCH] gnu: games: Add openrct2. > >>=20 > >> * gnu/packages/games.scm (openrct2): New variable. > >=20 > > The patch LGTM. However, when starting the program, it says that it > > needs files (supposedly artwork) from the original RollerCoaster > > Tycoon 2 and exits immediately. > >=20 > > That makes the package useless in the absence of these presumably > > non-free files. > >=20 > > Looking at > > , > > I think we cannot really consider these files to be non-functional data > > because the software doesn't do anything if they are missing. So I > > wonder whether it makes sense to include it in Guix as-is. > >=20 > > WDYT? Do you know what Debian or other free distros do? > >=20 > > Thank you, > > Ludo'. --=20 ng0 GnuPG: A88C8ADD129828D7EAC02E52E22F9BBFEE348588 GnuPG: https://dist.ng0.infotropique.org/dist/keys/ https://www.infotropique.org https://ng0.infotropique.org --3qfn4wdfjqsgj5w5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCgAdFiEEqIyK3RKYKNfqwC5S4i+bv+40hYgFAlngpvEACgkQ4i+bv+40 hYjhPxAAutixzzEnGVkwwq+lydG0YuBN8rgCl87Y45+aLH76Wnxy8yBfEFP3oodr EcIV8yhWvx9WE6ObzYUQ5JXaGuA4XJOIAdfFiE+LCLWt+eMzsdZBC/hsJ1mILIlH 4sIB1W8jyUo2c1sPFXqSIXztAHZrKq+ilMl9exXqapQcSaTPOZzgxNIj3xl9bUsy ghYJNo09ox/RhkOEAuXBD50mPFPuE8H54sjRbIT3eOHvgMMDJ965sYbIMjXOQFhu KpwIJPkn8Q83CFFXkgJ4pGOejHj/Hjwe8uti/jjGZ4KhePwz9vt+MpuJLF/6nhJn vQ8M5EBwR5IWwpGfKxZxtPxhQn+Ze6ue5zX8julcE9F1lP6yYT963zdUYeTsDTVX vieeQnK/OZfmredTgBMSf0WA/cjbox3AWv8jaQFyOlmosfYRDr3jmZdf/VTFXDGp Yad0/HdQnkOM+DBVdiLCfIYLbQCrZdImm7SJFj4M4F6S4YgP/mePlK8JcwIqz7cI HMr5eanMQ4lhiXR3Z7g0hx2zUnXkqdsTwbCaw8F8UhBvUzlheKiYeKqwmX5g8KqC JE0LW32qOhVIaN29AuIyC7Qmo+Grn0lTu1+hMqUnq+DfQixdcpiMGQDurk6XwYhO CnCEHyRFWvj/w9B6dU5GyM5PF5Fn6M2tRXA6sgOYHFNftfG9Q1g= =2Xid -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --3qfn4wdfjqsgj5w5-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 13 08:19:06 2017 Received: (at 28794) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Oct 2017 12:19:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36959 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e2yvc-0006gG-Gv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 08:19:06 -0400 Received: from mx.kolabnow.com ([95.128.36.42]:27568) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e2yvW-0006fq-Ql for 28794@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 08:18:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by ext-mx-out002.mykolab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 035F4261; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 14:18:48 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mykolab.com; h= message-id:references:in-reply-to:subject:subject:from:from:date :date:content-type:content-type:mime-version:received:received :received; s=dkim20160331; t=1507897127; x=1507897149; bh=+/IpkH 18ASLn6lRp1MSxlE0bwwuemAE6xQ1s9xc66nY=; b=clL7Vd+EZgHo+BkxTyx9g/ QA0M4lsEMxxjvGsoUu6j7sQCK/ijWVsLTzCJ6SOIdkMr0Z/cuFye3NmmqvwlNxlS 2cCAdYhBfA06V7qZzL4Bwn1g4gahp6DeQOGPHWpt2Iuw+dvA9vx6D1qik2hQ/uI2 LEmFAXtNkUL4pVLERwEc+fcCYZNB0huAI1o0VERTqzUO4kf3pNL65uGTLwxXBuhZ RbnoCEMRNfGt3XLfi04eg2fRjt/Xgok/y2G5Q+ESNa2JjPVklLv8ebyMxUs+ulhD onpEpSkTnzng6MmKwePP3ulcMhJaJmjcXhYEdgiuV/t/HkLIF7T79+NUglLP59n4 2MO2JArFGqsAV6r3TusdSciJQap5O+jIAdaznyvHoRR/iwsOcxdIZcTy2LaPjP5q KTIBCUQT/qIX1seWRfcgSLHqWjwwWfxVp7v/Ok9/qwaNNfRYGqZcDw8VBbwulcjN WX81v09KbHGv5TR3z+U0itBxWJZenomtBXQ5Z58626N6ixseC5yynZgguLfTXPKs 83sNUVC5t3XHT/bm0r+ldgaGpuOBZxao7YYMW0RPTFcRPyJFKfcXJLKgH7hk1BG+ owKPvM3v3QA5K0Zoqk+1Wui7WQ9eYsl/9iHFhmxMu0qHhDhe4KUDBOWVM+2IRmSe TQAdlDBn3Z7S0HBMeKnpA= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mykolab.com Received: from mx.kolabnow.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ext-mx-out002.mykolab.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pFTIn8n4XTNQ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 14:18:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from int-mx003.mykolab.com (unknown [10.9.13.3]) by ext-mx-out002.mykolab.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF306178; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 14:18:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from int-subm003.mykolab.com (unknown [10.9.37.3]) by int-mx003.mykolab.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88404A4C; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 14:18:47 +0200 (CEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_f3669f381f17f242dab2131f1d851407" Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 14:18:46 +0200 From: Rutger Helling To: ng0 , ludo@gnu.org Subject: Re: [bug#28794] [PATCH] gnu: games: Add openrct2. In-Reply-To: <20171013114345.xyguob5nky7vluxr@abyayala> References: <87d15rqvna.fsf@gnu.org> <20171013114345.xyguob5nky7vluxr@abyayala> Message-ID: <4b4cf69cfc4e2905085513b720671005@mykolab.com> X-Sender: rhelling@mykolab.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28794 Cc: 28794@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) --=_f3669f381f17f242dab2131f1d851407 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi ng0, I believe the long-term goal is to replace non-free data too, as OpenTTD did. But this will probably take a while. By the way Ludo, Parabola has packaged OpenMW too. OpenRCT2 is also mentioned in a list of games by them (second link). https://www.parabola.nu/packages/libre/x86_64/openmw/ https://wiki.parabola.nu/List_of_Applications/Games I also found this thread that confirms no proprietary code is needed. https://www.reddit.com/r/rct/comments/57nsez/openrct2_no_longer_uses_any_code_from_the/ On 2017-10-13 13:43, ng0 wrote: > Rutger Helling transcribed 5.3K bytes: > >> Hey Ludo, >> >> I think it makes sense to add it, but have it be the responsibility of >> the user to provide the assets, since these files can never be bundled >> in Guix. Maybe it should explicitly mention that. >> >> Note that Guix already has a similar situation with an accepted package, >> OpenMW. OpenMW also does nothing without the original game's assets. >> Since that got accepted I figured it made sense to add this package. >> >> OpenMW seems to have been accepted in Debian too: >> https://packages.debian.org/sid/openmw. >> >> For reference, here's the list of required assets for OpenRCT2: >> https://github.com/OpenRCT2/OpenRCT2/wiki/Required-RCT2-files. >> >> Personally I think it makes sense to provide libre engine replacements >> for games, to motivate users to use those instead of running proprietary >> code. The FSF directory even explicitly mentions OpenMW for example: >> https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/OpenMW. > > Additionally: Do you know if an upstream bug report already exists on > replacing the original data requirements? As much as I liked RCT2 back > then - and I still have the disks - it would be pretty cool to see a > full re-implementation with original new art! > > On 2017-10-13 08:50, ludo@gnu.org wrote: > > Hi Rutger, > > Rutger Helling skribis: > > From 12255f73d23a078fc2da099f22564e20cf3c69cc Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 > From: Rutger Helling > Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 10:22:27 +0200 > Subject: [PATCH] gnu: games: Add openrct2. > > * gnu/packages/games.scm (openrct2): New variable. > The patch LGTM. However, when starting the program, it says that it > needs files (supposedly artwork) from the original RollerCoaster > Tycoon 2 and exits immediately. > > That makes the package useless in the absence of these presumably > non-free files. > > Looking at > , > I think we cannot really consider these files to be non-functional data > because the software doesn't do anything if they are missing. So I > wonder whether it makes sense to include it in Guix as-is. > > WDYT? Do you know what Debian or other free distros do? > > Thank you, > Ludo'. --=_f3669f381f17f242dab2131f1d851407 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8

Hi ng0,

I believe the long-term goal is to replace non-free data too, as OpenTTD= did. But this will probably take a while.

By the way Ludo, Parabola has packaged OpenMW too. OpenRCT2 is also ment= ioned in a list of games by them (second link).

https://= www.parabola.nu/packages/libre/x86_64/openmw/
https://wiki.parabola.nu= /List_of_Applications/Games

I also found this thread that confirms no proprietary code is needed.

https://www.reddit.com/r/rct/comments/57nsez/op= enrct2_no_longer_uses_any_code_from_the/

On 2017-10-13 13:43, ng0 wrote:

= Rutger Helling transcribed 5.3K bytes:
Hey Ludo,

I think it makes sense to add i= t, but have it be the responsibility of
the user to provide the asset= s, since these files can never be bundled
in Guix. Maybe it should ex= plicitly mention that.

Note that Guix already has a similar si= tuation with an accepted package,
OpenMW. OpenMW also does nothing wi= thout the original game's assets.
Since that got accepted I figured i= t made sense to add this package.

OpenMW seems to have been a= ccepted in Debian too:
https://packages.debian= =2Eorg/sid/openmw.

For reference, here's the list of requ= ired assets for OpenRCT2:
https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/OpenMW.

Additionally: Do you know if an upstream bug report already exists o= n
replacing the original data requirements? As much as I liked RCT2 b= ack
then - and I still have the disks - it would be pretty cool to se= e a
full re-implementation with original new art!

On 2017-10-13 08:50, l= udo@gnu.org wrote:

Hi Rutger,

Rutger Helling <rhelling@mykolab.com> skribis:
From 12255f73d23a078fc2da099f22564e20cf3c69cc Mon Sep = 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Rutger Helling <rhelling@mykolab.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 10:2= 2:27 +0200
Subject: [PATCH] gnu: games: Add openrct2.

* = gnu/packages/games.scm (openrct2): New variable.

The patch LGTM.  However, when starting the program, it says th= at it
needs files (supposedly artwork) from the original RollerCoaste= r
Tycoon 2 and exits immediately.

That makes the package= useless in the absence of these presumably
non-free files.
Looking at
<https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-= guidelines.html#non-functional-data>,
I think we cannot really= consider these files to be non-functional data
because the software = doesn't do anything if they are missing.  So I
wonder whether it= makes sense to include it in Guix as-is.

WDYT?  Do you k= now what Debian or other free distros do?

Thank you,
Lud= o'.


--=_f3669f381f17f242dab2131f1d851407-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 14 10:45:49 2017 Received: (at 28794-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Oct 2017 14:45:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40329 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e3NhB-0007S4-5q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 10:45:49 -0400 Received: from hera.aquilenet.fr ([141.255.128.1]:56582) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e3Nh9-0007Ru-Ki for 28794-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 10:45:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hera.aquilenet.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6251AE869; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 16:45:43 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at aquilenet.fr Received: from hera.aquilenet.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (hera.aquilenet.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JGxloKtFpYtH; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 16:45:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ribbon (unknown [IPv6:2a01:e0a:1d:7270:6a6c:dc17:fc02:cfda]) by hera.aquilenet.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AFE5EBB39; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 16:45:41 +0200 (CEST) From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?=) To: Rutger Helling Subject: Re: [bug#28794] [PATCH] gnu: games: Add openrct2. References: <87d15rqvna.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2017 16:45:40 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Rutger Helling's message of "Fri, 13 Oct 2017 10:16:09 +0000") Message-ID: <8760bhyei3.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28794-done Cc: 28794-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rutger, Rutger Helling skribis: > I think it makes sense to add it, but have it be the responsibility of > the user to provide the assets, since these files can never be bundled > in Guix. Maybe it should explicitly mention that. [...] > Personally I think it makes sense to provide libre engine replacements > for games, to motivate users to use those instead of running proprietary > code. The FSF directory even explicitly mentions OpenMW for example: > https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/OpenMW.=20 [...] > By the way Ludo, Parabola has packaged OpenMW too. OpenRCT2 is also > mentioned in a list of games by them (second link).=20 > > https://www.parabola.nu/packages/libre/x86_64/openmw/ > https://wiki.parabola.nu/List_of_Applications/Games=20 That makes sense to me. I hope the free project will manage to come up with free artwork longer-term, but in the meantime, this is probably better than nothing. I=E2=80=99ve committed with the changes below (the license if GPL v3-or-lat= er, as stated in source file headers.) Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99. --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-patch Content-Disposition: inline diff --git a/gnu/packages/games.scm b/gnu/packages/games.scm index 83d175d16..04b7b78d3 100644 --- a/gnu/packages/games.scm +++ b/gnu/packages/games.scm @@ -2669,10 +2669,15 @@ Transport Tycoon Deluxe.") `(("pkg-config", pkg-config))) (home-page "https://github.com/OpenRCT2/OpenRCT2") (synopsis "Free software re-implementation of RollerCoaster Tycoon 2") - (description "OpenRCT2 is an free software re-implementation of + (description "OpenRCT2 is a free software re-implementation of RollerCoaster Tycoon 2 (RCT2). The gameplay revolves around building and -maintaining an amusement park containing attractions, shops and facilities.") - (license license:gpl3))) +maintaining an amusement park containing attractions, shops and facilities. + +Note that this package does @emph{not} provide the game assets (sounds, +images, etc.)") + ;; See + ;; regarding assets. + (license license:gpl3+))) (define-public pinball (package --=-=-=-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Oct 15 08:10:17 2017 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Oct 2017 12:10:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41019 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e3hkG-0002cy-Na for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 08:10:17 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:37155) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e3hkE-0002ci-7A for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 08:10:14 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e3hk8-00067J-7D for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 08:10:09 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:38083) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e3hk8-00067F-3r for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 08:10:08 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56359) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e3hk6-0008Sg-Q7 for guix-patches@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 08:10:07 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e3hk3-000661-Kj for guix-patches@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 08:10:06 -0400 Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.196]:50450) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e3hk3-00065B-Eh for guix-patches@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 08:10:03 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 179.105.39.229 Received: from adfeno-pc1 (unknown [179.105.39.229]) (Authenticated sender: adfeno@hyperbola.info) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8D53217209C for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 14:09:59 +0200 (CEST) From: Adonay Felipe Nogueira To: guix-patches@gnu.org Subject: Re: [bug#28794] [PATCH] gnu: games: Add openrct2. References: <87d15rqvna.fsf@gnu.org> <20171013114345.xyguob5nky7vluxr@abyayala> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 10:09:57 -0200 In-Reply-To: <20171013114345.xyguob5nky7vluxr@abyayala> (ng0@infotropique.org's message of "Fri, 13 Oct 2017 11:43:45 +0000") Message-ID: <87infg6296.fsf@hyperbola.info> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) One of the bigger problems I find with such projects that aim to provide an "engine" for running such games is that there doesn't seem to have an effort to make the other "data" replacement. Most projects start only with engine replacements and don't have a taskforce to provide free/libre "data" replacement. Now, it's true that if it's free/libre software, it might be possible to add it to some free/libre distro. But the challenge is that these projects seem to do little effort to not recommend non-free functional data or non-shareable non-functional data. Such that even the software itself directly tells something along the lines of "this is used to run Some Non Free Game", instead of using a message like "please specify a [insert data pack standard abbreviation here] file", so perhaps it must be patched to remove the first messages? ng0 writes: > Additionally: Do you know if an upstream bug report already exists on > replacing the original data requirements? As much as I liked RCT2 back > then - and I still have the disks - it would be pretty cool to see a > full re-implementation with original new art! > --=20 - https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno - Palestrante e consultor sobre /software/ livre (n=C3=A3o confundir com gratis). - "WhatsApp"? Ele n=C3=A3o =C3=A9 livre. Por favor, veja formas de se comun= icar instantaneamente comigo no endere=C3=A7o abaixo. - Contato: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno#vCard - Arquivos comuns aceitos (apenas sem DRM): Corel Draw, Microsoft Office, MP3, MP4, WMA, WMV. - Arquivos comuns aceitos e enviados: CSV, GNU Dia, GNU Emacs Org, GNU GIMP, Inkscape SVG, JPG, LibreOffice (padr=C3=A3o ODF), OGG, OPUS, PDF (apenas sem DRM), PNG, TXT, WEBM. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Oct 16 03:40:29 2017 Received: (at 28794) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Oct 2017 07:40:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42406 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e400j-0007pU-5j for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 03:40:29 -0400 Received: from hera.aquilenet.fr ([141.255.128.1]:60511) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e400h-0007pL-2W for 28794@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 03:40:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hera.aquilenet.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A02D6F088; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 09:40:27 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at aquilenet.fr Received: from hera.aquilenet.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (hera.aquilenet.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vh8lC7xeVRd3; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 09:40:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ribbon (unknown [193.50.110.215]) by hera.aquilenet.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 96DEABB39; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 09:40:26 +0200 (CEST) From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?=) To: Adonay Felipe Nogueira Subject: Re: [bug#28794] [PATCH] gnu: games: Add openrct2. References: <87d15rqvna.fsf@gnu.org> <20171013114345.xyguob5nky7vluxr@abyayala> <87infg6296.fsf@hyperbola.info> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 25 =?utf-8?Q?Vend=C3=A9miaire?= an 226 de la =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 09:40:24 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87infg6296.fsf@hyperbola.info> (Adonay Felipe Nogueira's message of "Sun, 15 Oct 2017 10:09:57 -0200") Message-ID: <87zi8rh76f.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28794 Cc: 28794@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) Hi Adonay, Adonay Felipe Nogueira skribis: > One of the bigger problems I find with such projects that aim to provide > an "engine" for running such games is that there doesn't seem to have an > effort to make the other "data" replacement. Most projects start only > with engine replacements and don't have a taskforce to provide > free/libre "data" replacement. Clearly the raison d=E2=80=99=C3=AAtre of a project like this one is to pro= vide a free replacement of the software. So we cannot blame people behind it for not doing enough, even though I share your concern. As for artwork, Rutger mentioned that people behind OpenRCT2 are willing to provide free artwork eventually. I can imagine that this is more =E2=80=9Cdifficult=E2=80=9D in that it=E2=80=99s a completely different job. > Now, it's true that if it's free/libre software, it might be possible to > add it to some free/libre distro. But the challenge is that these > projects seem to do little effort to not recommend non-free functional > data or non-shareable non-functional data. Such that even the software > itself directly tells something along the lines of "this is used to run > Some Non Free Game", instead of using a message like "please specify a > [insert data pack standard abbreviation here] file", so perhaps it must > be patched to remove the first messages? Sure. Do you have any specific message in mind? Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 26 08:16:19 2017 Received: (at 28794) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Oct 2017 12:16:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34045 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e7h59-0005Rz-2L for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 08:16:19 -0400 Received: from relay5-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.197]:48304) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e7h57-0005Rp-5f for 28794@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 08:16:18 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 179.220.59.33 Received: from adfeno-pc1 (unknown [179.220.59.33]) (Authenticated sender: adfeno@hyperbola.info) by relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6F99F41C0AA for <28794@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:16:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Adonay Felipe Nogueira To: 28794@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: [bug#28794] [PATCH] gnu: games: Add openrct2. References: <87d15rqvna.fsf@gnu.org> <20171013114345.xyguob5nky7vluxr@abyayala> <87infg6296.fsf@hyperbola.info> <87zi8rh76f.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 10:16:10 -0200 In-Reply-To: <87zi8rh76f.fsf@gnu.org> ("Ludovic \=\?utf-8\?Q\?Court\=C3\=A8s\=22'\?\= \=\?utf-8\?Q\?s\?\= message of "Mon, 16 Oct 2017 09:40:24 +0200") Message-ID: <87tvymrto5.fsf@hyperbola.info> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28794 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) I don't know which type of "data" is missing in OpenRCT2, but if one wants to be specific to non-functional data, something along the lines of: "Can't find 'OpenRCT2 non-functional data. Please provide one. It's recommended to be at least shareable." Or for general "data" either one of: - "Can't find 'OpenRCT2 data. Please provide one. It's recommended to be free/libre (as in freedom, not price)." Free/libre culture activists will love this one. ;) - "Can't find 'OpenRCT2 functional data. Please provide one. It's recommended to be free/libre (as in freedom, not price). Can't find 'OpenRCT2 non-functional data. Please provide one. It's recommended to be at least shareable." Two messages here. The logic here is to split the types of data. I wish I could have time to make the patch right now, but I have my bachelor graduation paper/work to do right now. Off-topic: the work is about the importance of free/libre software *philosophy* to university management and teaching-learning process. Work is being done at [1], if you want to contribute see [2]. [1] . [2] Copyright will have to be assigned to me, but I will at least give detailed mention of the contributions in the "thanks"/greetings part/page of the work. ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Court=C3=A8s) writes: > Hi Adonay, > > Adonay Felipe Nogueira skribis: > >> One of the bigger problems I find with such projects that aim to provide >> an "engine" for running such games is that there doesn't seem to have an >> effort to make the other "data" replacement. Most projects start only >> with engine replacements and don't have a taskforce to provide >> free/libre "data" replacement. > > Clearly the raison d=E2=80=99=C3=AAtre of a project like this one is to p= rovide a > free replacement of the software. So we cannot blame people behind it > for not doing enough, even though I share your concern. > > As for artwork, Rutger mentioned that people behind OpenRCT2 are willing > to provide free artwork eventually. I can imagine that this is more > =E2=80=9Cdifficult=E2=80=9D in that it=E2=80=99s a completely different j= ob. > >> Now, it's true that if it's free/libre software, it might be possible to >> add it to some free/libre distro. But the challenge is that these >> projects seem to do little effort to not recommend non-free functional >> data or non-shareable non-functional data. Such that even the software >> itself directly tells something along the lines of "this is used to run >> Some Non Free Game", instead of using a message like "please specify a >> [insert data pack standard abbreviation here] file", so perhaps it must >> be patched to remove the first messages? > > Sure. Do you have any specific message in mind? > > Thanks, > Ludo=E2=80=99. > --=20 - https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno - Palestrante e consultor sobre /software/ livre (n=C3=A3o confundir com gratis). - "WhatsApp"? Ele n=C3=A3o =C3=A9 livre. 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