From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:07:15 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#2873 <2873@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#2873 <2873@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: Keybinding info for remapped commands could be more useful Reply-To: bug#2873 <2873@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2025 17:07:15 +0000 retitle 2873 Keybinding info for remapped commands could be more useful reassign 2873 emacs submitter 2873 Nikolaj Schumacher severity 2873 normal thanks From me@nschum.de Fri Apr 3 01:11:13 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 3 Apr 2009 08:11:13 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=4.0 tests=none autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n338B9l7004658 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 2009 01:11:11 -0700 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LpeUX-00049h-Cg for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Apr 2009 04:11:09 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LpeUV-00049V-D4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Apr 2009 04:11:08 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=51440 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LpeUV-00049S-A4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Apr 2009 04:11:07 -0400 Received: from dd18200.kasserver.com ([85.13.138.168]:57587) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LpeUU-0005mO-Vw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Apr 2009 04:11:07 -0400 Received: from thursday (g227072035.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.227.72.35]) by dd18200.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B90418192013 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 2009 10:11:05 +0200 (CEST) From: Nikolaj Schumacher To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Keybinding info for remapped commands could be more useful User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.91 (darwin) Severity: minor Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 10:11:03 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) When using a command, Emacs conveniently flashes the keybinding. For remapped commands, the message is not as useful: You can run the command `command' with It would probably be better to offer the binding of original-command instead. regards, Nikolaj Schumacher From drew.adams@oracle.com Fri Apr 3 07:12:42 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 3 Apr 2009 14:12:42 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=4.0 tests=HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n33ECdal008476 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 2009 07:12:40 -0700 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Lpk8N-0004W5-5b for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Apr 2009 10:12:39 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Lpk8I-0004QP-Ca for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Apr 2009 10:12:38 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=49015 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Lpk8I-0004QC-7u for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Apr 2009 10:12:34 -0400 Received: from rcsinet11.oracle.com ([148.87.113.123]:36425 helo=rgminet11.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Lpk8G-00042Z-S6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Apr 2009 10:12:33 -0400 Received: from rgminet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by rgminet11.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n33EFXZc008546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Apr 2009 14:15:34 GMT Received: from acsmt705.oracle.com (acsmt705.oracle.com [141.146.40.83]) by rgminet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n33ECMXh020313; Fri, 3 Apr 2009 14:12:23 GMT Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.170.0) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 03 Apr 2009 07:12:12 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Nikolaj Schumacher'" , <2873@debbugs.gnu.org>, References: Subject: RE: bug#2873: Keybinding info for remapped commands could be more useful Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 07:12:08 -0700 Message-ID: <001e01c9b466$2efbaf40$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: Thread-Index: Acm0NY93Sx36AC4CTvauNqrWG7WdLAAMHNDw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Source-IP: acsmt705.oracle.com [141.146.40.83] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A09020A.49D61941.0270:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) > When using a command, Emacs conveniently flashes the keybinding. > For remapped commands, the message is not as useful: > You can run the command `command' with > > It would probably be better to offer the binding of original-command > instead. Sounds related to bug #788, which mentioned the same problem for key mentions in menu items. From monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA Fri Apr 3 14:31:45 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 3 Apr 2009 21:31:45 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=4.0 tests=HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=unavailable version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n33LVg4O002666 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 2009 14:31:43 -0700 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LpqzG-0003ml-13 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:31:42 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LpqzB-0003kY-72 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:31:41 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=40151 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LpqzB-0003kR-0P for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:31:37 -0400 Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.22]:36269) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LpqzA-0000lG-Fx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:31:36 -0400 Received: from faina.iro.umontreal.ca (faina.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.26.177]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n33LVTfT019475; Fri, 3 Apr 2009 17:31:29 -0400 Received: by faina.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id E0A3680CBE; Fri, 3 Apr 2009 17:31:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Drew Adams Cc: 2873@debbugs.gnu.org, "'Nikolaj Schumacher'" , Subject: Re: bug#2873: Keybinding info for remapped commands could be more useful Message-ID: References: <001e01c9b466$2efbaf40$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:31:28 -0400 In-Reply-To: <001e01c9b466$2efbaf40$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 3 Apr 2009 07:12:08 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV3246=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) >> When using a command, Emacs conveniently flashes the keybinding. >> For remapped commands, the message is not as useful: >> You can run the command `command' with >> >> It would probably be better to offer the binding of original-command >> instead. > Sounds related to bug #788, which mentioned the same problem for key mentions in > menu items. Indeed. Back then I suggested to move the fix into where-is-internal and this bug report seems to show that it would indeed be a good idea. Stefan From drew.adams@oracle.com Fri Apr 3 14:58:24 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 3 Apr 2009 21:58:24 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=4.0 tests=HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n33LwL92009521 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 2009 14:58:22 -0700 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LprP2-0000JR-Mw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:58:20 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LprOy-0000Ha-PM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:58:20 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=46159 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LprOy-0000HR-MX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:58:16 -0400 Received: from acsinet12.oracle.com ([141.146.126.234]:40606) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LprOx-0005Q4-MB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:58:16 -0400 Received: from rgminet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by acsinet12.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n33LvacU009819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Apr 2009 21:57:37 GMT Received: from acsmt705.oracle.com (acsmt705.oracle.com [141.146.40.83]) by rgminet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n33Lw5Kk022713; Fri, 3 Apr 2009 21:58:06 GMT Received: from dradamslap1 (/98.210.250.59) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 03 Apr 2009 14:57:58 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Stefan Monnier'" Cc: <2873@debbugs.gnu.org>, "'Nikolaj Schumacher'" , References: <001e01c9b466$2efbaf40$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> Subject: RE: bug#2873: Keybinding info for remapped commands could be more useful Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 14:58:01 -0700 Message-ID: <004301c9b4a7$42e8f030$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acm0o5gGyzm9UuooSh+RAPZjqt8NcAAA2Q2Q In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Source-IP: acsmt705.oracle.com [141.146.40.83] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090207.49D68669.01B9:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) > >> When using a command, Emacs conveniently flashes the keybinding. > >> For remapped commands, the message is not as useful: > >> You can run the command `command' with > >> > >> It would probably be better to offer the binding of > >> original-command instead. > > > Sounds related to bug #788, which mentioned the same > > problem for key mentions in menu items. > > Indeed. Back then I suggested to move the fix into where-is-internal > and this bug report seems to show that it would indeed be a good idea. Yidong recently made a temporary fix of #788: removing the key mention from such menu items. If and when the bug gets fixed properly, we need to remember to revert that temporary fix, so such keys will appear again (but properly) in menu items. Dunno how you note such things so they aren't forgotten later - perhaps a comment in the code? From drew.adams@oracle.com Fri Apr 24 10:04:56 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 24 Apr 2009 17:04:56 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=4.0 tests=FOURLA,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=unavailable version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n3OH4rYZ022323 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 2009 10:04:54 -0700 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LxOpZ-0000gS-C5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:04:53 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LxOpU-0000g6-HU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:04:52 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=37414 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LxOpU-0000g3-Bw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:04:48 -0400 Received: from rcsinet13.oracle.com ([148.87.113.125]:26069 helo=rgminet13.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LxOpT-00080P-Gy for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:04:47 -0400 Received: from rgminet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by rgminet13.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n3OH4YUA021015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Apr 2009 17:04:35 GMT Received: from acsmt707.oracle.com (acsmt707.oracle.com [141.146.40.85]) by rgminet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n3OH4Ui3001218; Fri, 24 Apr 2009 17:04:31 GMT Received: from dradamslap1 (/98.210.250.59) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 24 Apr 2009 10:04:29 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: <2873@debbugs.gnu.org>, "'Stefan Monnier'" Cc: , "'Nikolaj Schumacher'" References: <001e01c9b466$2efbaf40$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <004301c9b4a7$42e8f030$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> Subject: RE: bug#2873: Keybinding info for remapped commands could be more useful Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 10:04:28 -0700 Message-ID: <003901c9c4fe$bbd1b5b0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <004301c9b4a7$42e8f030$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 thread-index: Acm0o5gGyzm9UuooSh+RAPZjqt8NcAAA2Q2QBBXaivA= X-Source-IP: acsmt707.oracle.com [141.146.40.85] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A010205.49F1F120.0035:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) > > >> When using a command, Emacs conveniently flashes the keybinding. > > >> For remapped commands, the message is not as useful: > > >> You can run the command `command' with > > >> > > >> It would probably be better to offer the binding of > > >> original-command instead. > > > > > Sounds related to bug #788, which mentioned the same > > > problem for key mentions in menu items. > > > > Indeed. Back then I suggested to move the fix into > > where-is-internal and this bug report seems to show that > > it would indeed be a good idea. > > Yidong recently made a temporary fix of #788: removing the > key mention from such menu items. If and when the bug gets > fixed properly, we need to remember to revert that temporary > fix, so such keys will appear again (but properly) in menu > items. BTW, somehow we already DTRT for `C-h f bar', for a command `bar' that is remapped from command `foo'. The key bindings mentioned for `bar' are correct - it doesn't just say that `bar' is remapped from `foo'. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 05 02:38:52 2011 Received: (at 2873-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Oct 2011 06:38:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RBL7y-00017T-I2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2011 02:38:51 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RBL7v-00017J-EU for 2873-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2011 02:38:48 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RBL7s-0006Jx-Lu; Wed, 05 Oct 2011 02:38:44 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: 2873-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#2873: Keybinding info for remapped commands could be more useful References: <001e01c9b466$2efbaf40$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> X-Spook: clandestine Verisign Treasury quiche Semtex 22nd SAS X-Ran: ?c~.5&"gNFRT$T}(fVf}isQ-4x9]s4h1'7Kg:!7k`247#{d;rXfT{kb^>>_Z}MbO;uH#!X X-Hue: black X-Attribution: GM Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 02:38:44 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:31:28 -0400") Message-ID: <5oobxw9c3v.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 2873-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) Version: 23.2 Looks like this was fixed in Emacs 23.2. 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