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[196.54.41.41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w8sm6205164qka.88.2017.10.02.12.27.48 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Mon, 02 Oct 2017 12:27:49 -0700 (PDT) From: George Plymale II X-Google-Original-From: George Plymale II To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 25.3; Problems with GNU FTP and Dired in macOS 10.13 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2017 15:27:48 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Hi, So Apple rudely decided to remove the `ftp' command-line utility from the latest release of macOS: 10.13. They also removed `telnet' and some others, which is really unfortunate. For people who still need these tools (such as myself), the alternatives are sparse and, well... less than ideal. Those alternatives are as follows: first, one could just recompile and install the tools from Apple's open-source repository (https://opensource.apple.com/tarballs/ ). In fact, someone actually has made a script for installing `telnet' in this way on the homebrew package manager: https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-core/blob/master/Formula/telnet.rb However, doing this for all of the commands that are missing (including rsh, rcp, etc.) is impractical, annoying, and possibly brittle in the face of updates. So, another alternative is to take these tools from FreeBSD and make them readily available in package managers, but no one has done this yet. The final alternative (that I can think of) is the GNU inetutils, which is readily available in homebrew (although not fink or macports, as far as I can tell): https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-core/blob/master/Formula/inetutils.rb Unfortunately, the GNU inetutils do not seem to work quite right on macOS 10.13. For example, `ftp' has some very odd problems with Dired. This is unfortunate for folks like me who use Dired as an FTP client. For more details on this issue, I reported a bug about it on bug-inetutils: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-inetutils/2017-09/msg00000.html I also (initially) posed a question about it on the Emacs Stackexchange forum: https://emacs.stackexchange.com/q/35747/10761. The reason that I'm posting here as well is because someone on Stackexchange mentioned that this may in fact be a bug with Emacs on its macOS build. I am not sure whether or not that is the case so here I am. Any help or advice on this issue is appreciated. Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 15 05:20:00 2019 Received: (at 28672) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2019 09:20:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46363 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hmx9L-00065l-SO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 05:20:00 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:38882) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hmx9J-00065a-DM for 28672@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 05:19:57 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hmx9G-00057t-8e; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 11:19:56 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: George Plymale II Subject: Re: bug#28672: 25.3; Problems with GNU FTP and Dired in macOS 10.13 References: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 11:19:53 +0200 In-Reply-To: (George Plymale, II's message of "Mon, 02 Oct 2017 15:27:48 -0400") Message-ID: <87sgr7u01y.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: George Plymale II writes: > I also (initially) posed a question about it on the Emacs Stackexchange > forum: https://emacs.stackexchange.com/q/35747/10761. 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The reason that > I'm posting here as well is because someone on Stackexchange mentioned > that this may in fact be a bug with Emacs on its macOS build. I am not > sure whether or not that is the case so here I am. It seems like this was fixed in the Homebrew distribution (according to the accepted answer on that page), so I'm closing this bug report. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 15 05:20:05 2019 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2019 09:20:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46367 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hmx9R-00066X-6D for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 05:20:05 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:38900) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hmx9P-00066J-CJ for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 05:20:03 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hmx9M-000580-Q8 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 11:20:02 +0200 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 11:20:00 +0200 Message-Id: <87r26ru01r.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #28672 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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