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Jackson) Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 15:02:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 28596 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 28596@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.150635169718621 (code B ref -1); Mon, 25 Sep 2017 15:02:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Sep 2017 15:01:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58585 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dwUt5-0004pB-QL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 11:01:37 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:36842) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dwUt3-0004iR-9D for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 11:01:34 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dwUso-0005rv-6P for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 11:01:28 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT,FREEMAIL_FROM,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:55218) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dwUso-0005rq-3K for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 11:01:18 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55991) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dwUsf-0002UV-Ti for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 11:01:17 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dwUsb-0005kM-L5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 11:01:10 -0400 Received: from mail-it0-x233.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::233]:47936) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dwUsb-0005jv-DD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 11:01:05 -0400 Received: by mail-it0-x233.google.com with SMTP id 85so7420507ith.2 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 08:01:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=1ftkG4Z8VF14nf0J0gGLwKhkUCtDzPjj6Obq7BaktwA=; b=oMqnNwZGf9eMyNA9yYRVQWw4RW/ySCGMb4ykzeaXYXUB8Qwr4Cuk6J7XP1vKLyXHDA etas8J6uGyDB106vifztyChQQObaanmeU3ZsUxHgcCLYV3c3UAhFQARsxREOPNr9YfYs cYS9C4FvR7qsH2hfgxfp8dtYH/DaKovp37HZqsygD89i+TycUJ3VNmY75BYbnfbTFEuY 65DKDehEv9R+p0PNynHyzgT0Gnlhnyk2z6iTqXqAk7GYqVQ5k78gc3JBKCtL8swfBmlJ hIXcvb7MfYgANJConJPJkICklSntwkr88NONw6EEa7g2z9/CoR+LEDtLB9F++v+2S/E8 KO1Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=1ftkG4Z8VF14nf0J0gGLwKhkUCtDzPjj6Obq7BaktwA=; b=gCPL6VsvWxAN23M1j1gr7mbx/qYb2DqnTUh07lzXREHQHJ5/D0v1bPp77ykjuP8q0r fSzaRlwvmO1XLFFsmLFs4h+SiKVCU56efUOIrRCVcZIxBKyMkv44Z76LMkDNRimjwXCQ BFZx0ybQAi5cKGOck0/7Qpx78U2rf/LAbzO1om2rdJtbxJeMzlMLNA8Q3gZNfiQgr1WH 5dfrncmGx38T9pAV9yboox9/ey8NOLhe/6thKyPLVWlpK35Wb/ruxWG9MjmvAtRnJduO KPTYn5xdQVffBd8WOeAm95Nl+vTFZ/7xAkPJ8lvz5R7FrOVLOyEopT0M+mpZ2RBJ1ZK1 nmVQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AHPjjUhNAuE1XPZEzh9Cr0wKLX7lNXTUJZE+tZM4fptIWnUVPi0/i7yu EkE1TwfmUB1MmqZoeMz+EWz1yw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QCdeeQPaV2kxy678Z3E1IvnYBlOWeyQuoaj7x8RFibhcoQ/7+YhDXkUiC08Z0fYFAkHSsNqQg== X-Received: by 10.36.190.13 with SMTP id i13mr979596itf.114.1506351663645; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 08:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moondust.localdomain.nodomain.none ([72.143.113.194]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g100sm3067953iod.39.2017.09.25.08.01.02 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Mon, 25 Sep 2017 08:01:02 -0700 (PDT) From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 11:01:01 -0400 Message-ID: <87k20mq0uq.fsf@moondust.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) Yesterday I switched from Emacs 25 to the emacs-26 branch. With this Gnus hangs (sometimes) when checking mail/news (`gnus-group-get-new-news') and then C-g no longer quits -- at least not immediately. The hangs are for long enough for Gnome dialogs to appear saying that Emacs is no longer responding. Eventually control comes back to Emacs but that might be due to repeated presses of C-g. I think, but am not yet certain, that the problem only occurs when checking mail/news after putting Gnus back into the "plugged" state after it has been "unplugged". For example, starting Gnus with `M-x gnus-unplugged' and then "plugging" it with `gnus-agent-toggle-plugged' and then checking mail/news, (maybe) seems to create the problem right off the bat. Once the problem occurs, it does not seem to go away: every subsequent check for mail/news also hangs in the same way. At this point restarting Gnus (`gnus-group-restart') does NOT fix the problem, one has to restart Emacs to get Gnus working again. One clue might be this warning message I'm seeing sporadically in the *Messages* buffer when the problem happens: "Server [whatever] previously determined to be down; not retrying". This doesn't really make sense; just because it was "down" previously (perhaps my laptop didn't have an Internet connection then) doesn't mean that it won't be available now. Note: This does not seem to be the bug [1][2] that has existed with Gnus for several years where it hangs checking mail/news after (for example) moving from one WiFi hotspot to another. With that problem C-g works instantly and it's easy to understand what state Gnus is in. (And indeed, I have a command (which closes and re-opens servers) that works around it.) With the new problem, C-g doesn't seem to work, and trying to understand the state of Gnus is very confusing. N. [1] https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=16026 [2] https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=16906 In GNU Emacs 26.0.60 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.22.17) of 2017-09-24 built on moondust.localdomain Repository revision: d93301242f38d3d9aaa55899c07496f0bdecf391 Windowing system distributor 'Fedora Project', version 11.0.11903000 System Description: Fedora release 25 (Twenty Five) Configured using: 'configure --without-pop 'CFLAGS=-O2 -g3 -gdwarf-4'' Configured features: XPM JPEG TIFF GIF PNG RSVG IMAGEMAGICK SOUND DBUS GSETTINGS NOTIFY ACL LIBSELINUX GNUTLS LIBXML2 FREETYPE LIBOTF XFT ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS GTK3 X11 LCMS2 Important settings: value of $LANG: en_CA.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=none locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Text Minor modes in effect: csv-field-index-mode: t TeX-PDF-mode: t diff-auto-refine-mode: t flyspell-mode: t pdf-occur-global-minor-mode: t shell-dirtrack-mode: t recentf-mode: t display-battery-mode: t 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Jackson) References: <87k20mq0uq.fsf@moondust.localdomain> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 13:03:01 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87k20mq0uq.fsf@moondust.localdomain> (N. Jackson's message of "Mon, 25 Sep 2017 11:01:01 -0400") Message-ID: <87efquyam2.fsf@moondust.localdomain> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) At 11:01 -0400 on Monday 2017-09-25, N. Jackson wrote: > > I think, but am not yet certain, that the problem only occurs when > checking mail/news after putting Gnus back into the "plugged" > state after it has been "unplugged". For example, starting Gnus > with `M-x gnus-unplugged' and then "plugging" it with > `gnus-agent-toggle-plugged' and then checking mail/news, (maybe) > seems to create the problem right off the bat. No. It turns out that this is not sufficient to trigger the bug. But I still think it might be necessary to have been in the "unplugged" state for the bug to manifest -- I will report back with more information if it becomes apparent. N. From unknown Mon Jun 23 09:39:04 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#28596: 26.0.60; [Gnus] Checking mail is no longer reliable and C-g no longer quits Resent-From: Noam Postavsky Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 17:15:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 28596 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "N. 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Jackson wrote: > Yesterday I switched from Emacs 25 to the emacs-26 branch. With > this Gnus hangs (sometimes) when checking mail/news > (`gnus-group-get-new-news') and then C-g no longer quits -- at > least not immediately. Does 'pkill -SIGUSR2 emacs' help? Otherwise running under gdb and hitting C-z at the gdb terminal should give some more info. (elisp) Error Debugging -- User Option: debug-on-event If you set =E2=80=98debug-on-event=E2=80=99 to a special event (*note = Special Events::), Emacs will try to enter the debugger as soon as it receives this event, bypassing =E2=80=98special-event-map=E2=80=99. A= t present, the only supported values correspond to the signals =E2=80=98SIGUSR1= =E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98SIGUSR2=E2=80=99 (this is the default). This can be helpful = when =E2=80=98inhibit-quit=E2=80=99 is set and Emacs is not otherwise respo= nding. From unknown Mon Jun 23 09:39:04 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#28596: 26.0.60; [Gnus] Checking mail is no longer reliable and C-g no longer quits Resent-From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 14:14:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 28596 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Noam Postavsky Cc: 28596@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 28596-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B28596.15064351918295 (code B ref 28596); Tue, 26 Sep 2017 14:14:01 +0000 Received: (at 28596) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Sep 2017 14:13:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33253 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dwqbm-00029i-T9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 10:13:11 -0400 Received: from mail-it0-f45.google.com ([209.85.214.45]:48901) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dwqbl-00029S-EC for 28596@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 10:13:09 -0400 Received: by mail-it0-f45.google.com with SMTP id m123so3286173ita.3 for <28596@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 07:13:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qfFyPrAldGI5MNZiyb+GSXhmwD+AYxcqm7+R6EPPtos=; b=YumEMBlxsFJEmKbP7HxVLBsdTgxThiz8GUtjFmtb94B9vYPRFjIJDWbZOu6F4rYM6L WkUnpvUZKbafWHexR2ZBafDZhdjNl6BeyRBADsOxyvu9bbLXrBaTqKyoI5kcHmAIEOYp t97dSNuXGbqw5kM+7r+JCtFiqMhFXxbenyDFTHS84kT7nO0FiUvLwo/VAdPgDHAESBe1 C/pw0hGl9QY4ZDSey/uFWUBcCQoOoDYVG69Y6TC4WLyAqelwkvN/HYOlGbIUICOlCZ9G 3nbpuoTiDkfaGBdu9CjvVyD3DkoP5h0vi9+gqzgnJtjMF3cfN5SC6bukzfA0ygI9IghL uIUw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qfFyPrAldGI5MNZiyb+GSXhmwD+AYxcqm7+R6EPPtos=; b=E1HOnvHBOCbOcTKzNo0W1W6QiRPYEppALc8/oMHDaQ/iggYcGn2WgmF8IGvblylM3K AzLRfrepD+LGAfHd64V3uvNqjs3u/6sAq1kq8K6gIpDyAYs0AHGxN2qt9M6dYvs9ad8v VI3JoJatMhSA8uDFN2VCLwRt/n8I4gre5rbZXbsefewO86ixk7RvHvYd/JqtcQwCFlzb QCYtVuayMJoZ4PNQcq2FIdmtl5zDYyHv9Gd2U0DPmH/Lr8NSspntqBNGCu5ytWxwLKi7 3lmS3XtE+nHABkNtNXiRhKfFXaL0NHnaTqr9kyzqnXqPioD1OzqFgtvBquhXIxMZBenC S4mg== X-Gm-Message-State: AHPjjUiZVMA1nAF3ochQl7gCDRGpP3ENmwf/a4xmhD0UKl/Iab9NIYDr aZutJuOeJb6xvGKqbzX88J0r0A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QDQUebGPZmO7n0rjHUEPIJfqnFofOPiXQ5UamuTTwXPMGzYZ2tI25A795/J2bIWrnEwKpjnOA== X-Received: by 10.36.225.202 with SMTP id n193mr6236962ith.106.1506435183408; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 07:13:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moondust.localdomain.nodomain.none ([72.143.113.194]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n12sm1171133ita.11.2017.09.26.07.13.02 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Tue, 26 Sep 2017 07:13:02 -0700 (PDT) From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) References: <87k20mq0uq.fsf@moondust.localdomain> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 10:13:01 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Noam Postavsky's message of "Mon, 25 Sep 2017 13:14:43 -0400") Message-ID: <8760c5im4y.fsf@moondust.localdomain> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) At 13:14 -0400 on Monday 2017-09-25, Noam Postavsky wrote: > > Does 'pkill -SIGUSR2 emacs' help? Otherwise running under gdb and > hitting C-z at the gdb terminal should give some more info. > > (elisp) Error Debugging > > -- User Option: debug-on-event > If you set =E2=80=98debug-on-event=E2=80=99 to a special event (*not= e Special > Events::), Emacs will try to enter the debugger as soon as it > receives this event, bypassing =E2=80=98special-event-map=E2=80=99. = At present, > the only supported values correspond to the signals =E2=80=98SIGUSR1= =E2=80=99 and > =E2=80=98SIGUSR2=E2=80=99 (this is the default). This can be helpfu= l when > =E2=80=98inhibit-quit=E2=80=99 is set and Emacs is not otherwise res= ponding. Hi Noam, Thanks for these tips. I'm now running under GDB but so far today the long hang isn't happening so I haven't been able to get a backtrace during it. Nevertheless, after putting Gnus into an unplugged state and then putting it into the plugged state while my computer was still disconnected from the Internet, Gnus is now in a broken state even though I now am connected. The problem can be easily seen in the *Server* buffer. All my nntp servers are broken. (My local servers (nnfolder, nndraft, and my nnimap server on localhost) are fine.) - The nntp servers that are managed by the Agent are in an "offline" state even though Gnus is currently plugged (and I have a good Internet connection), and the `O', `C' and `R' (open, close, and reset all) commands have not effect. (Toggling the plugged/unplugged state a few times hasn't changed this brokenness.) - The nntp servers that are not managed by the Agent are in a "denied" state and the `O', `C' and `R' (open, close, and reset all) commands have not effect. And when I say these commands have no effect, they have no effect at all. No messages are written to the *Messages* buffer even though I have gnus-verbose and gnus-verbose-backends both set to 10. [The former setting doesn't seem to do anything (hasn't for a year or two), but the latter normally prints the dialog with the servers.] That is, it seems that Gnus is not even trying to talk to these servers. It almost seems as if, because they were found once in the Emacs session not to be accessible, Gnus will never try to talk to them again until Emacs is restarted, and commands in the *Server* buffer to open, close etc. these servers are just quietly ignored. I will report more as I find it, maybe look at the code, possibly step through it in the debugger. But as my every day workflow is so much effected by this I might have to go back to Emacs 25 where these problems don't happen. N. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Sep 29 04:58:19 2017 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2017 08:58:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37568 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dxr7i-0007Ub-VS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 04:58:19 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60491) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dxr7h-0007UK-LW for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 04:58:17 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dxr7X-00009F-JL for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 04:58:12 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:58622) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dxr7X-00009A-Fz for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 04:58:07 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1077 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1dxr7W-0003DJ-K0 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 04:58:07 -0400 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 11:57:57 +0300 Message-Id: <83vak1990q.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Add 28596 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) block 24655 by 28596 thanks From unknown Mon Jun 23 09:39:04 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#28596: 26.0.60; [Gnus] Checking mail is no longer reliable and C-g no longer quits Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 09:12:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 28596 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) Cc: 28596@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 28596-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B28596.15066762714737 (code B ref 28596); Fri, 29 Sep 2017 09:12:02 +0000 Received: (at 28596) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2017 09:11:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37585 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dxrKB-0001EL-62 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 05:11:11 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:35352) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dxrKA-0001EA-4t for 28596@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 05:11:10 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dxrK1-0000kw-2E for 28596@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 05:11:04 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59463) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dxrK0-0000kr-UP; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 05:11:00 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1082 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1dxrJz-00008m-Cf; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 05:11:00 -0400 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 12:10:45 +0300 Message-Id: <83tvzl98fe.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <87k20mq0uq.fsf@moondust.localdomain> (nljlistbox2@gmail.com) References: <87k20mq0uq.fsf@moondust.localdomain> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) > Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 11:01:01 -0400 > > Yesterday I switched from Emacs 25 to the emacs-26 branch. With > this Gnus hangs (sometimes) when checking mail/news > (`gnus-group-get-new-news') and then C-g no longer quits -- at > least not immediately. > > The hangs are for long enough for Gnome dialogs to appear saying > that Emacs is no longer responding. Eventually control comes back > to Emacs but that might be due to repeated presses of C-g. This could be due to the fact that Emacs 26 uses async communications more than previous versions. Does gnus-group-get-new-news use any of the url-* functions? If so, perhaps try setting url-asynchronous to nil when fetching news, to see if that solves the problem. Or maybe even build Emacs with HAVE_GETADDRINFO_A undefined, and see if that helps. (I'm not saying that these should be the solutions for this bug, just that they might tell us whether the asynchronous communications features are involved here.) I think it would also help stepping through the failing functions with a debugger and seeing which parts of them fail. Thanks. From unknown Mon Jun 23 09:39:04 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#28596: 26.0.60; [Gnus] Checking mail is no longer reliable and C-g no longer quits In-Reply-To: <87k20mq0uq.fsf@moondust.localdomain> Resent-From: Eric Abrahamsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 15:23:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 28596 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 28596@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.150669854230599 (code B ref -1); Fri, 29 Sep 2017 15:23:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2017 15:22:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39401 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dxx7O-0007xR-2d for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 11:22:22 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:34062) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dxx7M-0007wP-H5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 11:22:20 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dxx7G-0006XJ-Fc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 11:22:15 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:49058) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dxx7G-0006XF-Cf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 11:22:14 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53252) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dxx7F-0007Fz-7V for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 11:22:14 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dxx7C-0006Vu-3F for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 11:22:13 -0400 Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=40488 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dxx7B-0006VM-SO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 11:22:10 -0400 Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dxx6r-0003BY-6e for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 17:21:49 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ From: Eric Abrahamsen Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 08:20:22 -0700 Lines: 31 Message-ID: <87efqppm4p.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> References: <87k20mq0uq.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83tvzl98fe.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.60 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:W33cjsLaj2Vuwsw7E3TFBSgkxf4= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) >> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 11:01:01 -0400 >> >> Yesterday I switched from Emacs 25 to the emacs-26 branch. With >> this Gnus hangs (sometimes) when checking mail/news >> (`gnus-group-get-new-news') and then C-g no longer quits -- at >> least not immediately. >> >> The hangs are for long enough for Gnome dialogs to appear saying >> that Emacs is no longer responding. Eventually control comes back >> to Emacs but that might be due to repeated presses of C-g. > > This could be due to the fact that Emacs 26 uses async communications > more than previous versions. > > Does gnus-group-get-new-news use any of the url-* functions? If so, > perhaps try setting url-asynchronous to nil when fetching news, to see > if that solves the problem. Or maybe even build Emacs with > HAVE_GETADDRINFO_A undefined, and see if that helps. FWIW, I would put money on `nntp-open-connection' being the culprit, specifically the call to `open-network-stream'. I used to have similar problems with Gnus connections hanging (including the need to restart Emacs entirely to "clear" it out), and all my attempts at figuring it out led me there. Unfortunately Gnus has been behaving pretty well for me for the past six months to a year, so I might not be much more help than that. But I remember being suspicious that these problems were happening right around the time people seemed to be messing with the behavior of gnutls. Could be a total red herring, though. From unknown Mon Jun 23 09:39:04 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#28596: 26.0.60; [Gnus] Checking mail is no longer reliable and C-g no longer quits Resent-From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 17:28:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 28596 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eric Abrahamsen Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 28596@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 28596-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B28596.150670606721833 (code B ref 28596); Fri, 29 Sep 2017 17:28:02 +0000 Received: (at 28596) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2017 17:27:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39515 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dxz4j-0005g3-2K for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 13:27:47 -0400 Received: from mail-it0-f44.google.com ([209.85.214.44]:48287) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dxz4h-0005fo-60 for 28596@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 13:27:43 -0400 Received: by mail-it0-f44.google.com with SMTP id m123so579439ita.3 for <28596@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 10:27:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=awu2v3fAavvAioeuURvnKSOEmPvFgnQmsUD2Qavc4ec=; b=lZBN7wghAqGn8pPShT42462pYv2M5IJkYCrUJvufnrxJ2R8piBLppwAKFEOo/g8sjn r33okbulJU4PUGB0Ss6Mmc9GmkNPHv0sGpXVMHpCZmc2/qgI06O1kjUXKlDLHBb/ahX8 TdCKZYKDOD5L13XsCvYhSkhvws3AAv5sgf9QLxsii4ckIlATGqrfFG0kWCP7FCUG7/5t AfgxM9+lpfdsN1wE3P77CYQl/z28wmOPzmzsFtHGnroeanCZg51nX+YkZWeJ+Xi1QXM5 eYAS0dsMs7+CttGqufZZQ0PueHFmB6CsasigaOfGGw3eqZft77uLVBqQg6iiks4qkDuc o/bQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=awu2v3fAavvAioeuURvnKSOEmPvFgnQmsUD2Qavc4ec=; b=YyUWB3Li+IKPJi7rENBPzlACFIX73x8mj2Ed8B2Q/H3f4GRYBiQyYIfGhfqgtccW8z DKL1TeyQvJigPtFCtZn9gNHpyA50Dq8m+zPf+AJT/TNm4GG4hILRqaRUWMzkXIPzufKY Rs5ZRuJClsv8iv+8+Ks0NrbXm8eoDq6FYe2c/nzMYMak1CU8bpqFY79jgLhCWqVDy7vx pkGCqz3RnZUyOucBjb7Zbp86rC8w0tQHVd0CIEDTJ0RlGiaTyrjlCsHYQElHO5BFNZxg fl6VPeEKUjc6n8dudJGYI0tBozb9i15DA0I2iMp+StqUAUpwLj9UWKsELB+n73itfEpz 1O3w== X-Gm-Message-State: AHPjjUgrNDu7URRveErJpMlPO7kUvRJ227WuEt37fXgMfsihXyhMtgxS VExkC/0FMBXszNGS6GI0fDQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QC5USmluXylktWvHaWIVXZ22iUV8YMyoeDXw7mXSt426ujXmrkuKmfvQuBXoB6/TUgPq+z0gw== X-Received: by 10.36.22.13 with SMTP id a13mr8349843ita.112.1506706057307; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 10:27:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moondust.localdomain.nodomain.none ([72.143.113.194]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a184sm1537771ith.0.2017.09.29.10.27.36 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Fri, 29 Sep 2017 10:27:36 -0700 (PDT) From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) References: <87k20mq0uq.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83tvzl98fe.fsf@gnu.org> <87efqppm4p.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 13:27:35 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87efqppm4p.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> (Eric Abrahamsen's message of "Fri, 29 Sep 2017 08:20:22 -0700") Message-ID: <87bmlt76uw.fsf@moondust.localdomain> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) At 08:20 -0700 on Friday 2017-09-29, Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > > Eli Zaretskii writes: >> >> Does gnus-group-get-new-news use any of the url-* functions? If >> so, perhaps try setting url-asynchronous to nil when fetching >> news, to see if that solves the problem. Or maybe even build >> Emacs with HAVE_GETADDRINFO_A undefined, and see if that helps. > > FWIW, I would put money on `nntp-open-connection' being the > culprit, specifically the call to `open-network-stream'. Eli and Eric, than you for these suggestions. I will have a look in these directions the next time Gnus "breaks". (I hadn't yet read them when I wrote the report below.) Gnus "broke" again this morning. (It seems to break in the morning when I switch it to the "plugged" state after I've have it "unplugged" over night for offline reading.) Unfortunately there are at least two different problems, although they might be related. (The following all applies to the Emacs session this morning with Gnus in it's "broken" state.) I set `debug-on-error' and got the following (redacted) backtrace when fetching mail/news: Debugger entered--Lisp error: (error "something.com/443 Name or service n= ot known") signal(error ("something.com/443 Name or service not known")) nnrss-fetch("https://something.com/boards/forums/support.246/index.rss") nnrss-check-group("Something Forums: Support" "") nnrss-retrieve-groups(("Something Forums: Support" "Something Forums: S= oftware" "Something Forums: Something Else" "Something Forums: Discussions"= "Something Forums: News") "") gnus-retrieve-groups(("Something Forums: Support" "Something Forums: So= ftware" "Something Forums: Something Else" "Something Forums: Discussions" = "Something Forums: News") (nnrss "")) gnus-read-active-file-2(("Something Forums: Support" "Something Forums:= Software" "Something Forums: Something Else" "Something Forums: Discussion= s" "Something Forums: News") (nnrss "")) gnus-read-active-for-groups((nnrss "") (("nnrss:Something Forums: Suppo= rt" 3 ((1 . 9)) ((unexist) (seen (1 . 6))) (nnrss "")) ("nnrss:Something Fo= rums: Software" 3 ((1 . 1)) ((unexist) (seen 1)) (nnrss "")) ("nnrss:Someth= ing Forums: Something Else" 3 ((1 . 117)) ((unexist) (seen (1 . 56) (67 . 1= 17))) (nnrss "")) ("nnrss:Something Forums: Discussions" 3 ((1 . 857)) ((un= exist) (seen (1 . 245) (421 . 857))) (nnrss "")) ("nnrss:Something Forums: = News" 3 ((1 . 672)) ((unexist) (seen (1 . 168) (282 . 672))) (nnrss ""))) n= il) gnus-get-unread-articles(nil nil nil) gnus-group-get-new-news(nil) funcall-interactively(gnus-group-get-new-news nil) call-interactively(gnus-group-get-new-news nil nil) command-execute(gnus-group-get-new-news) There was no problem with the reported URl; I could open it fine in a web browser. I changed the "level" of these RSS groups so that Gnus does not try to check them when it fetches mail and news. After doing that, I no longer end up in the debugger when fetching mail/news with `debug-on-error' set. That was the first problem. However, fetching mail/news was still broken -- no hang this time, just nothing seeming to happen. And the *Server* buffer was messed up as I previously described: At 10:13 -0400 on Tuesday 2017-09-26, N. Jackson wrote: > > The problem can be easily seen in the *Server* buffer. All my > nntp servers are broken. > > - The nntp servers that are managed by the Agent are in an > "offline" state even though Gnus is currently plugged (and I > have a good Internet connection), and the `O', `C' and `R' > (open, close, and reset all) commands have not effect. (Toggling > the plugged/unplugged state a few times hasn't changed this > brokenness.) > > - The nntp servers that are not managed by the Agent are in a > "denied" state and the `O', `C' and `R' (open, close, and reset > all) commands have not effect. It almost seems as if Gnus is in an "unplugged" state even though in the mode line it says that it's "plugged". (Toggling the plugged/unplugged state so that the mode line says it's "unplugged" doesn't help though.) One reason why I think Gnus is actually "unplugged" is that when I enter a news group that is managed by the Agent when Gnus is "unplugged", the *Summary* buffer is displayed almost instantly. In contrast when Gnus is not in a "broken" state and is "plugged", loading the *Summary* buffer is slow as Gnus will retrieve headers over the Internet, A second reason why I think Gnus is actually "unplugged" is that there are lines in news group *Summary* buffers like - .=E2=94=820.0k=E2=94=821969-12-31 19:00=E2=94=82 =E2=96=A3 Gnus Agent = [Undownloaded article 218857] which I would normally only see when Gnus is "unplugged". I have now restarted Emacs to get Gnus back into a working state -- I have to get real work done. I will report more when I have time to investigate a "broken" instance of Gnus more thoroughly. N. From unknown Mon Jun 23 09:39:04 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#28596: 26.0.60; [Gnus] Checking mail is no longer reliable and C-g no longer quits In-Reply-To: <87k20mq0uq.fsf@moondust.localdomain> Resent-From: Eric Abrahamsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 20:20:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 28596 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 28596@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.15067163946690 (code B ref -1); Fri, 29 Sep 2017 20:20:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2017 20:19:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39688 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dy1lJ-0001jq-ON for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 16:19:53 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:53615) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dy1lH-0001je-MQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 16:19:52 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dy1lB-000750-KP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 16:19:46 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:50571) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dy1lB-00074u-HA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 16:19:45 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44575) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dy1lA-00047P-9V for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 16:19:45 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dy1l5-00072G-W1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 16:19:44 -0400 Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=34006 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dy1l5-00070W-O1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 16:19:39 -0400 Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dy1kv-00089T-JB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 22:19:29 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ From: Eric Abrahamsen Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 13:17:58 -0700 Lines: 34 Message-ID: <87zi9d6yyx.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> References: <87k20mq0uq.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83tvzl98fe.fsf@gnu.org> <87efqppm4p.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87bmlt76uw.fsf@moondust.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.60 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:4EyBn7GcjmxZlf1FzPVgc0EPFEY= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) writes: > At 08:20 -0700 on Friday 2017-09-29, Eric Abrahamsen wrote: >> >> Eli Zaretskii writes: >>> >>> Does gnus-group-get-new-news use any of the url-* functions? If >>> so, perhaps try setting url-asynchronous to nil when fetching >>> news, to see if that solves the problem. Or maybe even build >>> Emacs with HAVE_GETADDRINFO_A undefined, and see if that helps. >> >> FWIW, I would put money on `nntp-open-connection' being the >> culprit, specifically the call to `open-network-stream'. > > Eli and Eric, than you for these suggestions. I will have a look > in these directions the next time Gnus "breaks". (I hadn't yet > read them when I wrote the report below.) [...] > Debugger entered--Lisp error: (error "something.com/443 Name or service not known") > signal(error ("something.com/443 Name or service not known")) > nnrss-fetch("https://something.com/boards/forums/support.246/index.rss") My suggestion was probably a red herring after all -- nnrss-fetch does indeed end up calling url-* functions. [...] > However, fetching mail/news was still broken -- no hang this time, > just nothing seeming to happen. And the *Server* buffer was messed > up as I previously described: No clue here, unfortunately. From unknown Mon Jun 23 09:39:04 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#28596: 26.0.60; [Gnus] Checking mail is no longer reliable and C-g no longer quits Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2017 17:42:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 28596 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) Cc: eric@ericabrahamsen.net, 28596@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 28596-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B28596.15122364924112 (code B ref 28596); Sat, 02 Dec 2017 17:42:01 +0000 Received: (at 28596) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Dec 2017 17:41:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42163 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eLBn9-00014E-Ki for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Dec 2017 12:41:31 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:45245) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eLBn7-00013u-Vf for 28596@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Dec 2017 12:41:30 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eLBmf-0004uv-GY for 28596@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Dec 2017 12:41:24 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:51102) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eLBmf-0004uk-9J; Sat, 02 Dec 2017 12:41:01 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1467 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eLBmd-0005xh-28; Sat, 02 Dec 2017 12:41:01 -0500 Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2017 19:40:33 +0200 Message-Id: <831skd110u.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <87bmlt76uw.fsf@moondust.localdomain> (nljlistbox2@gmail.com) References: <87k20mq0uq.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83tvzl98fe.fsf@gnu.org> <87efqppm4p.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87bmlt76uw.fsf@moondust.localdomain> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) > Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 13:27:35 -0400 > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 28596@debbugs.gnu.org > > At 10:13 -0400 on Tuesday 2017-09-26, N. Jackson wrote: > > > > The problem can be easily seen in the *Server* buffer. All my > > nntp servers are broken. > > > > - The nntp servers that are managed by the Agent are in an > > "offline" state even though Gnus is currently plugged (and I > > have a good Internet connection), and the `O', `C' and `R' > > (open, close, and reset all) commands have not effect. (Toggling > > the plugged/unplugged state a few times hasn't changed this > > brokenness.) > > > > - The nntp servers that are not managed by the Agent are in a > > "denied" state and the `O', `C' and `R' (open, close, and reset > > all) commands have not effect. > > It almost seems as if Gnus is in an "unplugged" state even though > in the mode line it says that it's "plugged". (Toggling the > plugged/unplugged state so that the mode line says it's > "unplugged" doesn't help though.) > > One reason why I think Gnus is actually "unplugged" is that when I > enter a news group that is managed by the Agent when Gnus is > "unplugged", the *Summary* buffer is displayed almost instantly. > In contrast when Gnus is not in a "broken" state and is "plugged", > loading the *Summary* buffer is slow as Gnus will retrieve headers > over the Internet, > > A second reason why I think Gnus is actually "unplugged" is that > there are lines in news group *Summary* buffers like > > - .│0.0k│1969-12-31 19:00│ ▣ Gnus Agent [Undownloaded article 218857] > > which I would normally only see when Gnus is "unplugged". > > I have now restarted Emacs to get Gnus back into a working state > -- I have to get real work done. I will report more when I have > time to investigate a "broken" instance of Gnus more thoroughly. Any news on this? Is this problem still present in the Emacs 26.0.90 pretest? From unknown Mon Jun 23 09:39:04 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#28596: 26.0.60; [Gnus] Checking mail is no longer reliable and C-g no longer quits Resent-From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 17:16:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 28596 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: eric@ericabrahamsen.net, 28596@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 28596-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B28596.151240770223258 (code B ref 28596); Mon, 04 Dec 2017 17:16:02 +0000 Received: (at 28596) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Dec 2017 17:15:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45745 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eLuKb-00062u-U1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Dec 2017 12:15:02 -0500 Received: from mail-it0-f47.google.com ([209.85.214.47]:39135) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eLuKZ-00062N-W8 for 28596@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Dec 2017 12:15:00 -0500 Received: by mail-it0-f47.google.com with SMTP id 68so8367584ite.4 for <28596@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 04 Dec 2017 09:14:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=V5Q7cxTuCsuYmegCcDKAlJhBRGlEXA4XF4XCts7ig3E=; b=QZraq2AYa6i5lZJE8Ps+WWVyDjEf0xHMIuR+y1ZjSBKT3OsQjiMC6VsHRUqvpIvLyL r4bea3STFxQIWTjK5Vfk3d3j7wvdBHcJmahzrFtrps52yUAaDPTeliDkIsl+Xcp7FrMZ yKQCvqYuECVvpXAnEzwsVmco8905tlWeXJjMehBaouQua6YusE/wZECXhGjY9gYgg/dM h1oxYfxV/402wDZAdD09GScZJExH3GhcxUifkubA3jyosuOe+STjVTycT9CotKbY+0My m7VHTRbK5UNR+srOMhY1queOU7VqkOEfEdZvBDbfnHRY0wTpiI4Iv33CtSlKbuWyOaFe 70Rg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=V5Q7cxTuCsuYmegCcDKAlJhBRGlEXA4XF4XCts7ig3E=; b=n7fBkgo9WnHYZS0JClS9y/qacJGE+yo3kC+lq69Fw9Gegv86lE+cDD+8QmtzK32iTk 0v/3aEfWCrfKNf+n6+beXy5h2PyER6NjPHTQLIfy/a/jCw5DygUii89m+k7XLSmZA8KU RFT6iiyhFYlDUJMN5A5Zf7Nk7vJ7yr6T+CNBpIQmj4dD24LNgpV8XHm7z650i1hRxxuK ngKdZTUOOo4R6Vha7NQcSYHS0HQP6vSYrmjULw+Z/M341N6IJ1cj1xfExsdn5ffhdR1v l1JGZh5QPB5c+LjW4MZRfUbfAUo1WCt1xboyk35yzqbQ6yQ4x0sf9zsze4w65wuJ3dsX NBag== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mIlWQKm36EQsnMlwE2WKEcYX6J+m0KQZtfytSeSCtSjR7nQEkDD PmzHvNyLE6Lq0l2IC2P0/vghr2ZM X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMatriypABHQok2MWOdEv37j5IN/Ap0m0m9tGDlxbfTCFSHc0t812mcCjIvFSpxYoRAtf00gyg== X-Received: by 10.36.240.78 with SMTP id p14mr5406695iti.28.1512407694273; Mon, 04 Dec 2017 09:14:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from moondust.localdomain.nodomain.none (toroon12-3096782589.sdsl.bell.ca. [184.149.38.253]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 42sm6083718ios.5.2017.12.04.09.14.52 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Mon, 04 Dec 2017 09:14:53 -0800 (PST) From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) References: <87k20mq0uq.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83tvzl98fe.fsf@gnu.org> <87efqppm4p.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87bmlt76uw.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <831skd110u.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 12:14:51 -0500 In-Reply-To: <831skd110u.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 02 Dec 2017 19:40:33 +0200") Message-ID: <87wp22xvn8.fsf@moondust.localdomain> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) Hello Eli, At 19:40 +0200 on Saturday 2017-12-02, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Any news on this? Is this problem still present in the Emacs > 26.0.90 pretest? Yes, the problem is still present with the 26.0.90 pretest. I ran that for three weeks and the problem happened almost every day. Then I went back to using Emacs 25 out of frustration. No, sorry, no news. I wasn't able to get any traction on debugging it; that would be so much easier if the code were in C! (I am perennially unsuccessful when I try to get the Elisp debugger to function the way I think it ought to, probably because I don't understand the way it is supposed to work.) However, I had forgotten (or never saw) your suggestions to "try setting url-asynchronous to nil when fetching news... [o]r maybe even build Emacs with HAVE_GETADDRINFO_A undefined" and I will try that with 26.0.90 these next days. Additionally, I am almost convinced that the problem is that Gnus gets into an ambiguous state where part of it thinks it is "unplugged" and part of it thinks it's "plugged", and that it never even tries to retrieve the news in the cases where it seems to be "broken". Furthermore, I now believe that the hang that I had been observing was just Bug 16026 / Bug 16906 and that I failed to recognise it because I was too confused by the strange behaviour resulting from this current bug. N. From unknown Mon Jun 23 09:39:04 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#28596: 26.0.60; [Gnus] Checking mail is no longer reliable and C-g no longer quits Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 17:58:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 28596 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson), Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: eric@ericabrahamsen.net, 28596@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 28596-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B28596.15124102322159 (code B ref 28596); Mon, 04 Dec 2017 17:58:02 +0000 Received: (at 28596) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Dec 2017 17:57:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45796 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eLuzQ-0000Yl-6z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Dec 2017 12:57:12 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:34861) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eLuzO-0000YY-MN for 28596@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Dec 2017 12:57:10 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eLuzF-0005uP-IX for 28596@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Dec 2017 12:57:05 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59287) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eLuzF-0005uJ-Eo; Mon, 04 Dec 2017 12:57:01 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4533 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eLuzE-00032Q-2Y; Mon, 04 Dec 2017 12:57:01 -0500 Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 19:56:43 +0200 Message-Id: <83bmjextpg.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <87wp22xvn8.fsf@moondust.localdomain> (nljlistbox2@gmail.com) References: <87k20mq0uq.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83tvzl98fe.fsf@gnu.org> <87efqppm4p.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87bmlt76uw.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <831skd110u.fsf@gnu.org> <87wp22xvn8.fsf@moondust.localdomain> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) > Cc: eric@ericabrahamsen.net, 28596@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 12:14:51 -0500 > > Hello Eli, > > At 19:40 +0200 on Saturday 2017-12-02, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > > Any news on this? Is this problem still present in the Emacs > > 26.0.90 pretest? > > Yes, the problem is still present with the 26.0.90 pretest. I ran > that for three weeks and the problem happened almost every day. > > Then I went back to using Emacs 25 out of frustration. > > No, sorry, no news. I wasn't able to get any traction on debugging > it; that would be so much easier if the code were in C! (I am > perennially unsuccessful when I try to get the Elisp debugger to > function the way I think it ought to, probably because I don't > understand the way it is supposed to work.) > > However, I had forgotten (or never saw) your suggestions to > > "try setting url-asynchronous to nil when fetching news... [o]r > maybe even build Emacs with HAVE_GETADDRINFO_A undefined" > > and I will try that with 26.0.90 these next days. > > Additionally, I am almost convinced that the problem is that Gnus > gets into an ambiguous state where part of it thinks it is > "unplugged" and part of it thinks it's "plugged", and that it > never even tries to retrieve the news in the cases where it seems > to be "broken". > > Furthermore, I now believe that the hang that I had been observing > was just Bug 16026 / Bug 16906 and that I failed to recognise it > because I was too confused by the strange behaviour resulting from > this current bug. Lars, can you help us here? I'd hate to release Emacs 26.1 with this annoying problem. Can we do something to have a solution or at least a reasonably convenient band-aid? Thanks. 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Jackson) References: <87k20mq0uq.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83tvzl98fe.fsf@gnu.org> <87efqppm4p.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87bmlt76uw.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <831skd110u.fsf@gnu.org> <87wp22xvn8.fsf@moondust.localdomain> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 12:58:07 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87wp22xvn8.fsf@moondust.localdomain> (N. Jackson's message of "Mon, 04 Dec 2017 12:14:51 -0500") Message-ID: <87vahd6tao.fsf_-_@moondust.localdomain> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.90 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) retitle 28596 Gnus gets into an ambiguous plugged/unplugged state that prevents retrieval of news quit I am re-titling the bug report, because as far as I can see, the bug is not about retrieving mail, only news; and also I'm increasingly convinced that the hang I was observing when I first reported the bug was simply because while I was trying to extricate Gnus from it's confused/broken state I failed to follow the protocols I usually follow to prevent being bitten by Bug 16026/16906 (which causes a hang). Also, I now have a recipe that seems to reproduce the bug reliably here, but it is by no means a minimal recipe: 1. Turn off Internet connection. 2. Start Emacs (26.0.90 pretest) 3. Start Gnus with `gnus-unplugged' 4. Retrieve mail from my local IMAP server with `g' command (`gnus-group-get-new-news') 5. Restore connectivity to Internet 6. (Try to) put Gnus into plugged state with `J j' (`gnus-agent-toggle-plugged') Result: Mode line now says "Plugged" instead of "Unplugged" but nntp servers cannot be put in an Open state. Rather agentised servers can be either Closed or Offline and unagentised servers can be either Closed or Denied. At 12:14 -0500 on Monday 2017-12-04, N. Jackson wrote: > However, I had forgotten (or never saw) your suggestions to > > "try setting url-asynchronous to nil when fetching news... [o]r > maybe even build Emacs with HAVE_GETADDRINFO_A undefined" > > and I will try that with 26.0.90 these next days. Following up on this (negatively) for completeness: 1. I restarted Emacs and then set `url-asynchronous' to nil, but no, this did not prevent Gnus from getting into the confused/broken state. 2. I also re-built the pretest (26.0.90) with HAVE_GETADDRINFO_A undefined, but no, that did not prevent the bug from manifesting either. N. From unknown Mon Jun 23 09:39:04 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#28596: 26.0.60; [Gnus] Checking mail is no longer reliable and C-g no longer quits Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2017 13:44:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 28596 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: larsi@gnus.org Cc: eric@ericabrahamsen.net, nljlistbox2@gmail.com, 28596@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 28596-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B28596.151395020614935 (code B ref 28596); Fri, 22 Dec 2017 13:44:01 +0000 Received: (at 28596) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Dec 2017 13:43:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47042 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eSNbi-0003sp-HG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Dec 2017 08:43:26 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54223) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eSNbh-0003sc-1b for 28596@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Dec 2017 08:43:25 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eSNbY-0000s4-QP for 28596@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Dec 2017 08:43:20 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:54014) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eSNbY-0000rw-MS; Fri, 22 Dec 2017 08:43:16 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2077 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eSNbY-0001jL-4H; Fri, 22 Dec 2017 08:43:16 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2017 15:43:15 +0200 Message-Id: <834loinaj0.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <83bmjextpg.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Mon, 04 Dec 2017 19:56:43 +0200) References: <87k20mq0uq.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83tvzl98fe.fsf@gnu.org> <87efqppm4p.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87bmlt76uw.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <831skd110u.fsf@gnu.org> <87wp22xvn8.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83bmjextpg.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Ping! > Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 19:56:43 +0200 > From: Eli Zaretskii > Cc: eric@ericabrahamsen.net, 28596@debbugs.gnu.org > > > From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) > > Cc: eric@ericabrahamsen.net, 28596@debbugs.gnu.org > > Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 12:14:51 -0500 > > > > Hello Eli, > > > > At 19:40 +0200 on Saturday 2017-12-02, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > > > > Any news on this? Is this problem still present in the Emacs > > > 26.0.90 pretest? > > > > Yes, the problem is still present with the 26.0.90 pretest. I ran > > that for three weeks and the problem happened almost every day. > > > > Then I went back to using Emacs 25 out of frustration. > > > > No, sorry, no news. I wasn't able to get any traction on debugging > > it; that would be so much easier if the code were in C! (I am > > perennially unsuccessful when I try to get the Elisp debugger to > > function the way I think it ought to, probably because I don't > > understand the way it is supposed to work.) > > > > However, I had forgotten (or never saw) your suggestions to > > > > "try setting url-asynchronous to nil when fetching news... [o]r > > maybe even build Emacs with HAVE_GETADDRINFO_A undefined" > > > > and I will try that with 26.0.90 these next days. > > > > Additionally, I am almost convinced that the problem is that Gnus > > gets into an ambiguous state where part of it thinks it is > > "unplugged" and part of it thinks it's "plugged", and that it > > never even tries to retrieve the news in the cases where it seems > > to be "broken". > > > > Furthermore, I now believe that the hang that I had been observing > > was just Bug 16026 / Bug 16906 and that I failed to recognise it > > because I was too confused by the strange behaviour resulting from > > this current bug. > > Lars, can you help us here? I'd hate to release Emacs 26.1 with this > annoying problem. Can we do something to have a solution or at least > a reasonably convenient band-aid? > > Thanks. From unknown Mon Jun 23 09:39:04 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#28596: 26.0.60; [Gnus] Checking mail is no longer reliable and C-g no longer quits Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 21:01:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 28596 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: eric@ericabrahamsen.net, "N. Jackson" , 28596@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 28596-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B28596.15144084356787 (code B ref 28596); Wed, 27 Dec 2017 21:01:02 +0000 Received: (at 28596) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Dec 2017 21:00:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54220 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eUIoV-0001lP-HV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Dec 2017 16:00:35 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:53687) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eUIoS-0001lE-AC for 28596@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Dec 2017 16:00:32 -0500 Received: from 46.67.72.36.tmi.telenormobil.no ([46.67.72.36] helo=corrigan) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eUIoP-0003P7-As; Wed, 27 Dec 2017 22:00:31 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <87k20mq0uq.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83tvzl98fe.fsf@gnu.org> <87efqppm4p.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87bmlt76uw.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <831skd110u.fsf@gnu.org> <87wp22xvn8.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83bmjextpg.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 22:00:23 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83bmjextpg.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 04 Dec 2017 19:56:43 +0200") Message-ID: <87vagrj388.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Furthermore, I now believe that the hang that I had been observing >> was just Bug 16026 / Bug 16906 and that I failed to recognise it >> because I was too confused by the strange behaviour resulting from >> this current bug. > > Lars, can you help us here? I'd hate to release Emacs 26.1 with this > annoying problem. Can we do something to have a solution or at least > a reasonably convenient band-aid? If `C-g' doesn't quit, it sounds a lot like the bug I reported the other, er, year about TLS negotiation hanging Emacs if we're making several connections at once. I thought that was being worked at by... someone... who was fixing up various things in accept-process-output, so I was waiting for that to shake out before looking into it further... -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Mon Jun 23 09:39:04 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#28596: 26.0.60; Gnus gets into an ambiguous plugged/unplugged state that prevents retrieval of news Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 12:08:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 28596 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) Cc: eric@ericabrahamsen.net, Eli Zaretskii , 28596@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 28596-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B28596.15144628772000 (code B ref 28596); Thu, 28 Dec 2017 12:08:02 +0000 Received: (at 28596) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Dec 2017 12:07:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54573 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eUWya-0000WC-Q2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2017 07:07:56 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:38003) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eUWyX-0000W3-SB for 28596@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2017 07:07:55 -0500 Received: from 46.67.72.36.tmi.telenormobil.no ([46.67.72.36] helo=corrigan) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eUWyQ-00066o-EX; Thu, 28 Dec 2017 13:07:48 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <87k20mq0uq.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83tvzl98fe.fsf@gnu.org> <87efqppm4p.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87bmlt76uw.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <831skd110u.fsf@gnu.org> <87wp22xvn8.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83bmjextpg.fsf@gnu.org> <87vagrj388.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <871sjfdaql.fsf_-_@moondust.localdomain> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 13:07:39 +0100 In-Reply-To: <871sjfdaql.fsf_-_@moondust.localdomain> (N. Jackson's message of "Wed, 27 Dec 2017 18:14:42 -0500") Message-ID: <87tvwbgino.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) writes: > Furthermore, I might have been inaccurate when I reported that C-g > didn't quit at all. I might have not waited long enough. On a > later hang when I waited after pressing C-g, Emacs came back after > about two minutes. C-g should quit Gnus' operations immediately. The "came back after two minutes" is the typical thing you see on the TLS hang scenario -- I think Emacs comes unstuck when the server closes the connection (due to no traffic). -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Mon Jun 23 09:39:04 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#28596: 26.0.60; Gnus gets into an ambiguous plugged/unplugged state that prevents retrieval of news Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 16:28:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 28596 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: eric@ericabrahamsen.net, nljlistbox2@gmail.com, 28596@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 28596-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B28596.15144784538149 (code B ref 28596); Thu, 28 Dec 2017 16:28:01 +0000 Received: (at 28596) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Dec 2017 16:27:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55368 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eUb1m-00027G-Ae for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2017 11:27:33 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38909) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eUb1h-000271-K0 for 28596@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2017 11:27:29 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eUb1Y-0004L9-2A for 28596@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2017 11:27:20 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:56365) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eUb1X-0004L0-Up; Thu, 28 Dec 2017 11:27:15 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1800 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eUb1X-0002tw-78; Thu, 28 Dec 2017 11:27:15 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 18:27:30 +0200 Message-Id: <83608qhl71.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <87tvwbgino.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Thu, 28 Dec 2017 13:07:39 +0100) References: <87k20mq0uq.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83tvzl98fe.fsf@gnu.org> <87efqppm4p.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87bmlt76uw.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <831skd110u.fsf@gnu.org> <87wp22xvn8.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83bmjextpg.fsf@gnu.org> <87vagrj388.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <871sjfdaql.fsf_-_@moondust.localdomain> <87tvwbgino.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , eric@ericabrahamsen.net, 28596@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 13:07:39 +0100 > > nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) writes: > > > Furthermore, I might have been inaccurate when I reported that C-g > > didn't quit at all. I might have not waited long enough. On a > > later hang when I waited after pressing C-g, Emacs came back after > > about two minutes. > > C-g should quit Gnus' operations immediately. The "came back after two > minutes" is the typical thing you see on the TLS hang scenario -- I > think Emacs comes unstuck when the server closes the connection (due to > no traffic). So what would be the best way of making progress with this bug? From unknown Mon Jun 23 09:39:04 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#28596: 26.0.60; Gnus gets into an ambiguous plugged/unplugged state that prevents retrieval of news Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 16:30:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 28596 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: eric@ericabrahamsen.net, nljlistbox2@gmail.com, 28596@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 28596-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B28596.15144785868349 (code B ref 28596); Thu, 28 Dec 2017 16:30:02 +0000 Received: (at 28596) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Dec 2017 16:29:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55372 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eUb3y-0002Ab-0k for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2017 11:29:46 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:42659) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eUb3w-0002AR-B4 for 28596@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2017 11:29:44 -0500 Received: from 46.67.72.36.tmi.telenormobil.no ([46.67.72.36] helo=corrigan) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eUb3s-0003Ta-Vq; Thu, 28 Dec 2017 17:29:42 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <87k20mq0uq.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83tvzl98fe.fsf@gnu.org> <87efqppm4p.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87bmlt76uw.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <831skd110u.fsf@gnu.org> <87wp22xvn8.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83bmjextpg.fsf@gnu.org> <87vagrj388.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <871sjfdaql.fsf_-_@moondust.localdomain> <87tvwbgino.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <83608qhl71.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 17:29:34 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83608qhl71.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 28 Dec 2017 18:27:30 +0200") Message-ID: <87h8sahl3l.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: > So what would be the best way of making progress with this bug? What happened to the patch set to fix various irregularities with accept-process-output that was going around the other month? Was it merged? I was kinda waiting for that to go in to see whether that made everything work before poking into this any further... -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Mon Jun 23 09:39:04 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#28596: 26.0.60; Gnus gets into an ambiguous plugged/unplugged state that prevents retrieval of news Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 17:55:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 28596 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: eric@ericabrahamsen.net, nljlistbox2@gmail.com, 28596@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 28596-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B28596.151448369416077 (code B ref 28596); Thu, 28 Dec 2017 17:55:02 +0000 Received: (at 28596) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Dec 2017 17:54:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55421 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eUcOJ-0004BA-98 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2017 12:54:54 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51851) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eUcOF-0004Av-0f for 28596@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2017 12:54:50 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eUcO5-0000Oo-F1 for 28596@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2017 12:54:41 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:57573) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eUcO5-0000OZ-66; Thu, 28 Dec 2017 12:54:37 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2088 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eUcO4-0000x1-JO; Thu, 28 Dec 2017 12:54:37 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 19:54:53 +0200 Message-Id: <83wp16g2ky.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <87h8sahl3l.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Thu, 28 Dec 2017 17:29:34 +0100) References: <87k20mq0uq.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83tvzl98fe.fsf@gnu.org> <87efqppm4p.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87bmlt76uw.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <831skd110u.fsf@gnu.org> <87wp22xvn8.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83bmjextpg.fsf@gnu.org> <87vagrj388.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <871sjfdaql.fsf_-_@moondust.localdomain> <87tvwbgino.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <83608qhl71.fsf@gnu.org> <87h8sahl3l.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Cc: nljlistbox2@gmail.com, eric@ericabrahamsen.net, 28596@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 17:29:34 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > So what would be the best way of making progress with this bug? > > What happened to the patch set to fix various irregularities with > accept-process-output that was going around the other month? Was it > merged? I was kinda waiting for that to go in to see whether that made > everything work before poking into this any further... You mean the thread Re: wait_reading_process_ouput hangs in certain cases (w/ patches)? We are still waiting for the updated version of the patch (I've just sent a reminder). But in any case, that patch was for master, not the release branch. We could see if it also fixes this problem, and maybe consider backporting if it does. But I hoped there could be a safer fix for this bug. From unknown Mon Jun 23 09:39:04 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#28596: 26.0.60; Gnus gets into an ambiguous plugged/unplugged state that prevents retrieval of news Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 20:16:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 28596 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: eric@ericabrahamsen.net, nljlistbox2@gmail.com, 28596@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 28596-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B28596.151449212230581 (code B ref 28596); Thu, 28 Dec 2017 20:16:02 +0000 Received: (at 28596) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Dec 2017 20:15:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55487 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eUeaI-0007xA-Bx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2017 15:15:22 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:56109) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eUeaG-0007x0-AY for 28596@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2017 15:15:20 -0500 Received: from 46.67.72.36.tmi.telenormobil.no ([46.67.72.36] helo=corrigan) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eUeaC-0002fM-8V; Thu, 28 Dec 2017 21:15:19 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <87k20mq0uq.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83tvzl98fe.fsf@gnu.org> <87efqppm4p.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87bmlt76uw.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <831skd110u.fsf@gnu.org> <87wp22xvn8.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83bmjextpg.fsf@gnu.org> <87vagrj388.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <871sjfdaql.fsf_-_@moondust.localdomain> <87tvwbgino.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <83608qhl71.fsf@gnu.org> <87h8sahl3l.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <83wp16g2ky.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 21:15:09 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83wp16g2ky.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 28 Dec 2017 19:54:53 +0200") Message-ID: <87wp16fw36.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: > You mean the thread Re: wait_reading_process_ouput hangs in certain > cases (w/ patches)? Yup. > We are still waiting for the updated version of the patch (I've just > sent a reminder). Right. > But in any case, that patch was for master, not the release branch. > We could see if it also fixes this problem, and maybe consider > backporting if it does. But I hoped there could be a safer fix for > this bug. There might be some way to mitigate this -- I haven't looked into it at all beyond stracing a bit when Emacs hangs... -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Mon Jun 23 09:39:04 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#28596: 26.0.60; Gnus gets into an ambiguous plugged/unplugged state that prevents retrieval of news Resent-From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. 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Jackson) References: <87k20mq0uq.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83tvzl98fe.fsf@gnu.org> <87efqppm4p.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87bmlt76uw.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <831skd110u.fsf@gnu.org> <87wp22xvn8.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83bmjextpg.fsf@gnu.org> <87vagrj388.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <871sjfdaql.fsf_-_@moondust.localdomain> <87tvwbgino.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <83608qhl71.fsf@gnu.org> <87h8sahl3l.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <83wp16g2ky.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 19:14:24 -0500 In-Reply-To: <83wp16g2ky.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 28 Dec 2017 19:54:53 +0200") Message-ID: <878tdmxue7.fsf@moondust.localdomain> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.90 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 3.8 (+++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: At 19:54 +0200 on Thursday 2017-12-28, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen >> Cc: nljlistbox2@gmail.com, eric@ericabrahamsen.net, 28596@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 17:29:34 +0100 >> >> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> >> > So what would be the best way of making progress with this bug? >> >> What happened to the patch set to fix various irregularities with >> accept-process-output that was going around the other month? Was it >> merged? I was kinda waiting for that to go in to see whether that made >> everything work before poking into this any further... > > You mean the thread Re: wait_reading_process_ouput hangs in certain > cases (w/ patches)? We are still waiting for the updated version of > the patch (I've just sent a reminder). > > But in any case, that patch was for master, not the release branch. > We could see if it also fixes this problem, and maybe consider > backporting if it does. But I hoped there could be a safer fix for > this bug. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: At 19:54 +0200 on Thursday 2017-12-28, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen >> Cc: nljlistbox2@gmail.com, eric@ericabrahamsen.net, 28596@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 17:29:34 +0100 >> >> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> >> > So what would be the best way of making progress with this bug? >> >> What happened to the patch set to fix various irregularities with >> accept-process-output that was going around the other month? Was it >> merged? I was kinda waiting for that to go in to see whether that made >> everything work before poking into this any further... > > You mean the thread Re: wait_reading_process_ouput hangs in certain > cases (w/ patches)? We are still waiting for the updated version of > the patch (I've just sent a reminder). > > But in any case, that patch was for master, not the release branch. > We could see if it also fixes this problem, and maybe consider > backporting if it does. But I hoped there could be a safer fix for > this bug. [...] Content analysis details: (3.8 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [209.85.214.51 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3 RBL: Good reputation (+3) [209.85.214.51 listed in wl.mailspike.net] 3.6 RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS RBL: Received via a relay in Spamhaus SBL-CSS [205.189.187.4 listed in zen.spamhaus.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (nljlistbox2[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.2 FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT Envelope-from freemail username ends in digit (nljlistbox2[at]gmail.com) 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL Mailspike good senders At 19:54 +0200 on Thursday 2017-12-28, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen >> Cc: nljlistbox2@gmail.com, eric@ericabrahamsen.net, 28596@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 17:29:34 +0100 >> >> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> >> > So what would be the best way of making progress with this bug? >> >> What happened to the patch set to fix various irregularities with >> accept-process-output that was going around the other month? Was it >> merged? I was kinda waiting for that to go in to see whether that made >> everything work before poking into this any further... > > You mean the thread Re: wait_reading_process_ouput hangs in certain > cases (w/ patches)? We are still waiting for the updated version of > the patch (I've just sent a reminder). > > But in any case, that patch was for master, not the release branch. > We could see if it also fixes this problem, and maybe consider > backporting if it does. But I hoped there could be a safer fix for > this bug. I do not think that this bug (with the ambiguous Gnus plugged/unplugged state) is the same as the wait_reading_process_output bug, and I'm not entirely convinced that the two bugs are related, but of course I might be missing something. I can now reproduce this bug (#28596) at will -- and without any apparent hang at all. So I think the hang I was experiencing while trying to get Gnus to behave itself was a red herring -- quite possibly I was running into the other bug while I was trying to get myself out of this one. And IIUC the wait_reading_process_output bug has been in Emacs for a while (forever?) whereas this bug exists in Emacs 26 but I have never seen it and cannot reproduce in Emacs 25. N. From unknown Mon Jun 23 09:39:04 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#28596: 26.0.60; Gnus gets into an ambiguous plugged/unplugged state that prevents retrieval of news Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2018 17:56:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 28596 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) Cc: eric@ericabrahamsen.net, larsi@gnus.org, 28596@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 28596-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B28596.15305541425440 (code B ref 28596); Mon, 02 Jul 2018 17:56:02 +0000 Received: (at 28596) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jul 2018 17:55:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43887 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fa337-0001Pg-NU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Jul 2018 13:55:41 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:43700) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fa335-0001PP-Q9 for 28596@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Jul 2018 13:55:40 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fa32x-0006c0-DF for 28596@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Jul 2018 13:55:34 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:33406) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fa32x-0006br-65; Mon, 02 Jul 2018 13:55:31 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3214 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1fa32w-0005S2-J2; Mon, 02 Jul 2018 13:55:31 -0400 Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2018 20:55:17 +0300 Message-Id: <83k1qdjzei.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <878tdmxue7.fsf@moondust.localdomain> (nljlistbox2@gmail.com) References: <87k20mq0uq.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83tvzl98fe.fsf@gnu.org> <87efqppm4p.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87bmlt76uw.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <831skd110u.fsf@gnu.org> <87wp22xvn8.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83bmjextpg.fsf@gnu.org> <87vagrj388.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <871sjfdaql.fsf_-_@moondust.localdomain> <87tvwbgino.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <83608qhl71.fsf@gnu.org> <87h8sahl3l.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <83wp16g2ky.fsf@gnu.org> <878tdmxue7.fsf@moondust.localdomain> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) > Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 19:14:24 -0500 > Cc: eric@ericabrahamsen.net, Eli Zaretskii , > 28596@debbugs.gnu.org > > I do not think that this bug (with the ambiguous Gnus > plugged/unplugged state) is the same as the > wait_reading_process_output bug, and I'm not entirely convinced > that the two bugs are related, but of course I might be missing > something. > > I can now reproduce this bug (#28596) at will -- and without any > apparent hang at all. So I think the hang I was experiencing while > trying to get Gnus to behave itself was a red herring -- quite > possibly I was running into the other bug while I was trying to > get myself out of this one. > > And IIUC the wait_reading_process_output bug has been in Emacs for > a while (forever?) whereas this bug exists in Emacs 26 but I have > never seen it and cannot reproduce in Emacs 25. Does the problem still exist on the current emacs-26 branch? 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[70.31.84.83]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x7-v6sm7064587iob.49.2018.07.02.17.19.25 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Mon, 02 Jul 2018 17:19:25 -0700 (PDT) From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) References: <87k20mq0uq.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83tvzl98fe.fsf@gnu.org> <87efqppm4p.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87bmlt76uw.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <831skd110u.fsf@gnu.org> <87wp22xvn8.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83bmjextpg.fsf@gnu.org> <87vagrj388.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <871sjfdaql.fsf_-_@moondust.localdomain> <87tvwbgino.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <83608qhl71.fsf@gnu.org> <87h8sahl3l.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <83wp16g2ky.fsf@gnu.org> <878tdmxue7.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83k1qdjzei.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2018 20:19:24 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83k1qdjzei.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 02 Jul 2018 20:55:17 +0300") Message-ID: <87woud188j.fsf@moondust.localdomain> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) At 20:55 +0300 on Monday 2018-07-02, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Does the problem still exist on the current emacs-26 > branch? It exists in the released version of Emacs 26.1, but I have only seen it there once even though I use it as my every-day Emacs. What I wrote about being able to reproduce it at will seems not to have been true. It seems to depend on the day, and I suspect it is something to do with a network or server state that is confusing Gnus. The last time it happened I noticed that Gmane was unreachable from a web browser, which might be related. (Many of my Gnus groups are on Gmane.) I haven't used the emacs-26 branch since 26.1 was released so I cannot answer your question directly. From unknown Mon Jun 23 09:39:04 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#28596: 26.0.60; Gnus gets into an ambiguous plugged/unplugged state that prevents retrieval of news Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2018 16:52:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 28596 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. 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Jackson) > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, eric@ericabrahamsen.net, 28596@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2018 20:19:24 -0400 > > I haven't used the emacs-26 branch since 26.1 was released > so I cannot answer your question directly. Is it possible for you to try the branch? I think it's important to know whether this problem still exists on the release branch. Thanks. From unknown Mon Jun 23 09:39:04 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#28596: 26.0.60; Gnus gets into an ambiguous plugged/unplugged state that prevents retrieval of news Resent-From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. 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[74.14.128.81]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a65-v6sm2081350itc.44.2018.07.04.11.03.17 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Wed, 04 Jul 2018 11:03:18 -0700 (PDT) From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) References: <87k20mq0uq.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83tvzl98fe.fsf@gnu.org> <87efqppm4p.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87bmlt76uw.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <831skd110u.fsf@gnu.org> <87wp22xvn8.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83bmjextpg.fsf@gnu.org> <87vagrj388.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <871sjfdaql.fsf_-_@moondust.localdomain> <87tvwbgino.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <83608qhl71.fsf@gnu.org> <87h8sahl3l.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <83wp16g2ky.fsf@gnu.org> <878tdmxue7.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83k1qdjzei.fsf@gnu.org> <87woud188j.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83a7r7ndw7.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2018 14:03:17 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83a7r7ndw7.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 04 Jul 2018 19:50:48 +0300") Message-ID: <8736wy7uai.fsf@moondust.localdomain> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) At 19:50 +0300 on Wednesday 2018-07-04, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) >> Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2018 20:19:24 -0400 >>=20 >> I haven't used the emacs-26 branch since 26.1 was released so >> I cannot answer your question directly. > > Is it possible for you to try the branch? I think it's > important to know whether this problem still exists on the > release branch. Certainly. I have just built the emacs-26 branch [1] and I will use it as my every-day Emacs from now on. I'm not sure if we'll learn anything though, given that I've only seen the problem once in 26.1 which I have been running almost since the day it was announced. But if I do see it again I will report back of course. OT: Are the "potential null pointer dereference" warnings normal? I don't think I've noticed those before today's build. For example: In file included from keyboard.c:25:0: keyboard.c: In function =E2=80=98reorder_modifiers=E2=80=99: lisp.h:377:40: warning: potential null pointer dereference [-Wnull-derefe= rence] #define lisp_h_XCDR(c) XCONS (c)->u.s.u.cdr ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~^~ lisp.h:1308:10: note: in expansion of macro =E2=80=98lisp_h_XCDR=E2=80=99 return lisp_h_XCDR (c); ^~~~~~~~~~~ lisp.h:376:38: warning: potential null pointer dereference [-Wnull-derefe= rence] #define lisp_h_XCAR(c) XCONS (c)->u.s.car ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~^~ lisp.h:1302:10: note: in expansion of macro =E2=80=98lisp_h_XCAR=E2=80=99 return lisp_h_XCAR (c); ^~~~~~~~~~~ Thanks. N. [1] Repository revision: 3bbd4ffc68bcc2b3e003a2179a508b82055ad770 From unknown Mon Jun 23 09:39:04 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#28596: 26.0.60; Gnus gets into an ambiguous plugged/unplugged state that prevents retrieval of news Resent-From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. 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[74.14.128.81]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n143-v6sm2049014ion.53.2018.07.04.11.13.37 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Wed, 04 Jul 2018 11:13:38 -0700 (PDT) From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) References: <87k20mq0uq.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83tvzl98fe.fsf@gnu.org> <87efqppm4p.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87bmlt76uw.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <831skd110u.fsf@gnu.org> <87wp22xvn8.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83bmjextpg.fsf@gnu.org> <87vagrj388.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <871sjfdaql.fsf_-_@moondust.localdomain> <87tvwbgino.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <83608qhl71.fsf@gnu.org> <87h8sahl3l.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <83wp16g2ky.fsf@gnu.org> <878tdmxue7.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83k1qdjzei.fsf@gnu.org> <87woud188j.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83a7r7ndw7.fsf@gnu.org> <8736wy7uai.fsf@moondust.localdomain> Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2018 14:13:37 -0400 In-Reply-To: <8736wy7uai.fsf@moondust.localdomain> (N. Jackson's message of "Wed, 04 Jul 2018 14:03:17 -0400") Message-ID: <87y3eq6f8u.fsf@moondust.localdomain> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) At 14:03 -0400 on Wednesday 2018-07-04, N. Jackson wrote: > > At 19:50 +0300 on Wednesday 2018-07-04, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> >>> From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) >>> Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2018 20:19:24 -0400 >>> >>> I haven't used the emacs-26 branch since 26.1 was released so >>> I cannot answer your question directly. >> >> Is it possible for you to try the branch? I think it's >> important to know whether this problem still exists on the >> release branch. > > Certainly. I have just built the emacs-26 branch [1] and I will > use it as my every-day Emacs from now on. > [1] Repository revision: 3bbd4ffc68bcc2b3e003a2179a508b82055ad770 Due to a thinko, that was master I built! Sorry. I will build the emacs-26 branch now and use it as my every-day Emacs! N. From unknown Mon Jun 23 09:39:04 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#28596: 26.0.60; Gnus gets into an ambiguous plugged/unplugged state that prevents retrieval of news Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2018 18:31:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 28596 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) Cc: eric@ericabrahamsen.net, larsi@gnus.org, 28596@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 28596-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B28596.153072901925086 (code B ref 28596); Wed, 04 Jul 2018 18:31:01 +0000 Received: (at 28596) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jul 2018 18:30:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46973 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1famXf-0006WU-Ug for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jul 2018 14:30:19 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:52296) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1famXc-0006VO-3P for 28596@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jul 2018 14:30:15 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1famXS-00022M-EK for 28596@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jul 2018 14:30:06 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:42672) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1famXS-00022G-AI; Wed, 04 Jul 2018 14:30:02 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3584 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1famXR-0002pd-J3; Wed, 04 Jul 2018 14:30:02 -0400 Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2018 21:30:00 +0300 Message-Id: <83601uonvb.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <8736wy7uai.fsf@moondust.localdomain> (nljlistbox2@gmail.com) References: <87k20mq0uq.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83tvzl98fe.fsf@gnu.org> <87efqppm4p.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87bmlt76uw.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <831skd110u.fsf@gnu.org> <87wp22xvn8.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83bmjextpg.fsf@gnu.org> <87vagrj388.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <871sjfdaql.fsf_-_@moondust.localdomain> <87tvwbgino.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <83608qhl71.fsf@gnu.org> <87h8sahl3l.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <83wp16g2ky.fsf@gnu.org> <878tdmxue7.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83k1qdjzei.fsf@gnu.org> <87woud188j.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83a7r7ndw7.fsf@gnu.org> <8736wy7uai.fsf@moondust.localdomain> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, eric@ericabrahamsen.net, 28596@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2018 14:03:17 -0400 > > OT: Are the "potential null pointer dereference" warnings > normal? I don't think I've noticed those before today's build. Please report them in a separate bug. Mostly they are GCC bugs, but once in a blue moon we find a real problem. > For example: > > In file included from keyboard.c:25:0: > keyboard.c: In function ‘reorder_modifiers’: > lisp.h:377:40: warning: potential null pointer dereference [-Wnull-dereference] > #define lisp_h_XCDR(c) XCONS (c)->u.s.u.cdr > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~^~ > lisp.h:1308:10: note: in expansion of macro ‘lisp_h_XCDR’ > return lisp_h_XCDR (c); > ^~~~~~~~~~~ > lisp.h:376:38: warning: potential null pointer dereference [-Wnull-dereference] > #define lisp_h_XCAR(c) XCONS (c)->u.s.car > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~^~ > lisp.h:1302:10: note: in expansion of macro ‘lisp_h_XCAR’ > return lisp_h_XCAR (c); > ^~~~~~~~~~~ This is master, right? 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[74.14.128.81]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w79-v6sm1882648iod.43.2018.07.04.11.38.47 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Wed, 04 Jul 2018 11:38:47 -0700 (PDT) From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) References: <87k20mq0uq.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83tvzl98fe.fsf@gnu.org> <87efqppm4p.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87bmlt76uw.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <831skd110u.fsf@gnu.org> <87wp22xvn8.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83bmjextpg.fsf@gnu.org> <87vagrj388.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <871sjfdaql.fsf_-_@moondust.localdomain> <87tvwbgino.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <83608qhl71.fsf@gnu.org> <87h8sahl3l.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <83wp16g2ky.fsf@gnu.org> <878tdmxue7.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83k1qdjzei.fsf@gnu.org> <87woud188j.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83a7r7ndw7.fsf@gnu.org> <8736wy7uai.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <87y3eq6f8u.fsf@moondust.localdomain> Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2018 14:38:46 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87y3eq6f8u.fsf@moondust.localdomain> (N. Jackson's message of "Wed, 04 Jul 2018 14:13:37 -0400") Message-ID: <87tvpe6e2x.fsf@moondust.localdomain> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) At 14:13 -0400 on Wednesday 2018-07-04, N. Jackson wrote: > At 14:03 -0400 on Wednesday 2018-07-04, N. Jackson wrote: >> >> At 19:50 +0300 on Wednesday 2018-07-04, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >>> >>>> From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) >>>> Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2018 20:19:24 -0400 >>>>=20 >>>> I haven't used the emacs-26 branch since 26.1 was released >>>> so I cannot answer your question directly. >>> >>> Is it possible for you to try the branch? I think it's >>> important to know whether this problem still exists on the >>> release branch. >> >> Certainly. I have just built the emacs-26 branch [1] and I >> will use it as my every-day Emacs from now on. > >> [1] Repository revision: 3bbd4ffc68bcc2b3e003a2179a508b82055ad770 > > Due to a thinko, that was master I built! Sorry. I will build > the emacs-26 branch now and use it as my every-day Emacs! > > N. I have really built the emacs-26 branch [1] this time! As promised, I will use it from now on as my every-day Emacs and report back here if I see the bug again. OT: Compared to the five "potential null pointer derefernce" warnings on master there is only one on emacs-26. Is this normal? (It feels to me as if one is one too many.) indent.c: In function =E2=80=98scan_for_column=E2=80=99: indent.c:69:10: warning: potential null pointer dereference [-Wnull-deref= erence] return 0; ^ indent.c:69:10: warning: potential null pointer dereference [-Wnull-deref= erence] indent.c:69:10: warning: potential null pointer dereference [-Wnull-deref= erence] indent.c:69:10: warning: potential null pointer dereference [-Wnull-deref= erence] [1] Repository revision: 0dce5e59206db7bd0b9cd43ae712272105300ae4 From unknown Mon Jun 23 09:39:04 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#28596: 26.0.60; Gnus gets into an ambiguous plugged/unplugged state that prevents retrieval of news Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2018 18:42:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 28596 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) Cc: eric@ericabrahamsen.net, larsi@gnus.org, 28596@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 28596-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B28596.153072971326126 (code B ref 28596); Wed, 04 Jul 2018 18:42:01 +0000 Received: (at 28596) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jul 2018 18:41:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46990 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1famir-0006nH-Ez for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jul 2018 14:41:52 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54591) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1famim-0006mz-N7 for 28596@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jul 2018 14:41:48 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1famid-0000Wf-PQ for 28596@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jul 2018 14:41:39 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:42795) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1famid-0000WK-Ld; Wed, 04 Jul 2018 14:41:35 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4288 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1famid-0008DC-2f; Wed, 04 Jul 2018 14:41:35 -0400 Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2018 21:41:33 +0300 Message-Id: <831scionc2.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <87tvpe6e2x.fsf@moondust.localdomain> (nljlistbox2@gmail.com) References: <87k20mq0uq.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83tvzl98fe.fsf@gnu.org> <87efqppm4p.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87bmlt76uw.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <831skd110u.fsf@gnu.org> <87wp22xvn8.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83bmjextpg.fsf@gnu.org> <87vagrj388.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <871sjfdaql.fsf_-_@moondust.localdomain> <87tvwbgino.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <83608qhl71.fsf@gnu.org> <87h8sahl3l.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <83wp16g2ky.fsf@gnu.org> <878tdmxue7.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83k1qdjzei.fsf@gnu.org> <87woud188j.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83a7r7ndw7.fsf@gnu.org> <8736wy7uai.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <87y3eq6f8u.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <87tvpe6e2x.fsf@moondust.localdomain> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) > Cc: eric@ericabrahamsen.net, larsi@gnus.org, 28596@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2018 14:38:46 -0400 > > OT: Compared to the five "potential null pointer derefernce" > warnings on master there is only one on emacs-26. Is this > normal? (It feels to me as if one is one too many.) > > indent.c: In function ‘scan_for_column’: > indent.c:69:10: warning: potential null pointer dereference [-Wnull-dereference] > return 0; > ^ > indent.c:69:10: warning: potential null pointer dereference [-Wnull-dereference] > indent.c:69:10: warning: potential null pointer dereference [-Wnull-dereference] > indent.c:69:10: warning: potential null pointer dereference [-Wnull-dereference] This one is known, and we've decided it is a GCC bug. From unknown Mon Jun 23 09:39:04 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#28596: 26.0.60; Gnus gets into an ambiguous plugged/unplugged state that prevents retrieval of news Resent-From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. 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Jackson) References: <87k20mq0uq.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83tvzl98fe.fsf@gnu.org> <87efqppm4p.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87bmlt76uw.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <831skd110u.fsf@gnu.org> <87wp22xvn8.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83bmjextpg.fsf@gnu.org> <87vagrj388.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <871sjfdaql.fsf_-_@moondust.localdomain> <87tvwbgino.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <83608qhl71.fsf@gnu.org> <87h8sahl3l.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <83wp16g2ky.fsf@gnu.org> <878tdmxue7.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83k1qdjzei.fsf@gnu.org> <87woud188j.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83a7r7ndw7.fsf@gnu.org> <8736wy7uai.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <87y3eq6f8u.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <87tvpe6e2x.fsf@moondust.localdomain> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 11:33:32 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87tvpe6e2x.fsf@moondust.localdomain> (N. Jackson's message of "Wed, 04 Jul 2018 14:38:46 -0400") Message-ID: <877em0ii43.fsf@moondust.localdomain> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) At 14:38 -0400 on Wednesday 2018-07-04, N. Jackson wrote: > >>> At 19:50 +0300 on Wednesday 2018-07-04, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >>>> >>>> Is it possible for you to try the branch? I think it's >>>> important to know whether this problem still exists on the >>>> release branch. > I have really built the emacs-26 branch [1] this time! > > As promised, I will use it from now on as my every-day Emacs and > report back here if I see the bug again. > > [1] Repository revision: 0dce5e59206db7bd0b9cd43ae712272105300ae4 Yes, the problem still exists. Gnus got into the confused plugged/unplugged state again this morning. FWIW: M-x emacs-uptime RET ==> 5 days, 0 hours, 26 minutes, 55 seconds Memory information: ((conses 16 1153669 478417) (symbols 48 121724 355) (miscs 40 24187 11415) (strings 32 308736 20050) (string-bytes 1 12884595) (vectors 16 74179) (vector-slots 8 2504362 73640) (floats 8 2016 1881) (intervals 56 41378 48502) (buffers 992 323)) After Gnus got into the confused state and after trying for several minutes to get it back to it's senses, I exited Gnus (but not Emacs) and restarted Gnus (with M-x gnus RET) and it was still in it's stuck state and it printed these messages as it started: 20180712T104052.549> Reading /home/nlj/.newsrc.eld... 20180712T104052.735> Opening nnfolder server on archive... 20180712T104052.736> Opening nnfolder server on archive...done 20180712T104052.737> Opening nntp server on nntp.olduse.net... 20180712T104132.771> Opening nntp server on nntp.olduse.net...failed: >>> (error nntp.olduse.net/nntp Name or service not known) 20180712T104132.772> Opening nntp server on nntp.aioe.org... 20180712T104212.811> Opening nntp server on nntp.aioe.org...done 20180712T104212.811> Opening nntp server on dusty... 20180712T104252.851> Opening nntp server on dusty...failed: >>> (error news.gmane.org/nntp Name or service not known) 20180712T104252.852> Opening nntp server on news.gmane.org... 20180712T104332.887> Opening nntp server on news.gmane.org...done 20180712T104332.887> Opening nnimap server on Local Dovecot Mailstore... 20180712T104332.888> Opening connection to localhost via tls... 20180712T104333.079> Opening connection to localhost...done 20180712T104333.080> Opening nnimap server on Local Dovecot Mailstore...done 20180712T104333.144> No new newsgroups 20180712T104333.161> Checking new news... 20180712T104333.164> Reading active file via nnnil... 20180712T104333.164> Reading active file via nnnil... 20180712T104333.164> Reading active file via nnnil...done 20180712T104333.164> Reading active file from nntp.olduse.net via nntp... 20180712T104333.164> Opening nntp server on nntp.olduse.net... 20180712T104333.165> Server nntp+nntp.olduse.net previously determined to be down; not retrying 20180712T104333.165> Opening nntp server on nntp.olduse.net...failed: >>> (error news.gmane.org/nntp Name or service not known) 20180712T104333.192> Opening nntp server on nntp.aioe.org... 20180712T104333.193> Opening nntp server on nntp.aioe.org...done 20180712T104333.194> Opening nntp server on news.gmane.org... 20180712T104333.195> Opening nntp server on news.gmane.org...done 20180712T104333.201> nnimap read 0k from localhost 20180712T104333.408> Reading active file from archive via nnfolder... 20180712T104333.409> Opening nnfolder server on archive... 20180712T104333.410> Opening nnfolder server on archive...done 20180712T104333.410> Reading active file from archive via nnfolder... 20180712T104333.411> Reading active file from archive via nnfolder...done 20180712T104333.412> Reading active file via nnfolder... 20180712T104333.412> Opening nnfolder server... 20180712T104333.413> Opening nnfolder server...done 20180712T104333.440> Reading incoming mail from file... 20180712T104333.441> nnfolder: Reading incoming mail (no new mail)...done 20180712T104333.442> Reading active file via nnfolder... 20180712T104333.443> Reading active file via nnfolder...done 20180712T104333.443> Reading active file via nndraft... 20180712T104333.446> Reading active file via nndraft... 20180712T104333.447> Reading active file via nndraft...done 20180712T104333.448> Checking new news...done Warning: Opening nntp server on nntp.olduse.net...failed: >>> (error news.gmane.org/nntp Name or service not known); Server nntp+nntp.olduse.net previously determined to be down; not retrying; Opening nntp server on dusty...failed: >>> (error news.gmane.org/nntp Name or service not known); Opening nntp server on nntp.olduse.net...failed: >>> (error nntp.olduse.net/nntp Name or service not known) The errors for olduse.net happen all the time (I suspect the site has gone away), so I assume they are unrelated, but the second message at 20180712T104333.165 seems odd: it appears to suggest that it was checking olduse.net and gmane.org failed. Or maybe I'm just not reading that right. [The server I have set up with the name of "dusty" is on gmane, so the messages about gmane not being known when checking dusty do make sense.] I then exited Gnus and exited Emacs, restarted Emacs, restarted Gnus and everything was back to working as normal. From unknown Mon Jun 23 09:39:04 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#28596: 26.0.60; Gnus gets into an ambiguous plugged/unplugged state that prevents retrieval of news Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 15:46:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 28596 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) Cc: eric@ericabrahamsen.net, larsi@gnus.org, 28596@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 28596-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B28596.153141034219018 (code B ref 28596); Thu, 12 Jul 2018 15:46:01 +0000 Received: (at 28596) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2018 15:45:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57260 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fddmk-0004wb-OW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jul 2018 11:45:42 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51519) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fddmg-0004wI-4X for 28596@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jul 2018 11:45:37 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fddmW-0003CD-Rb for 28596@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jul 2018 11:45:28 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:45183) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fddmW-0003Be-HL; Thu, 12 Jul 2018 11:45:24 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3392 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1fddmV-0006L5-VB; Thu, 12 Jul 2018 11:45:24 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 18:45:23 +0300 Message-Id: <83wou0e9v0.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <877em0ii43.fsf@moondust.localdomain> (nljlistbox2@gmail.com) References: <87k20mq0uq.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83tvzl98fe.fsf@gnu.org> <87efqppm4p.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87bmlt76uw.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <831skd110u.fsf@gnu.org> <87wp22xvn8.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83bmjextpg.fsf@gnu.org> <87vagrj388.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <871sjfdaql.fsf_-_@moondust.localdomain> <87tvwbgino.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <83608qhl71.fsf@gnu.org> <87h8sahl3l.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <83wp16g2ky.fsf@gnu.org> <878tdmxue7.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83k1qdjzei.fsf@gnu.org> <87woud188j.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83a7r7ndw7.fsf@gnu.org> <8736wy7uai.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <87y3eq6f8u.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <87tvpe6e2x.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <877em0ii43.fsf@moondust.localdomain> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) > Cc: eric@ericabrahamsen.net, larsi@gnus.org, 28596@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 11:33:32 -0400 > > Yes, the problem still exists. Gnus got into the confused > plugged/unplugged state again this morning. Thanks. I hope the Gnus developers will look into this. From unknown Mon Jun 23 09:39:04 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#28596: 26.0.60; Gnus gets into an ambiguous plugged/unplugged state that prevents retrieval of news Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 15:26:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 28596 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) Cc: eric@ericabrahamsen.net, Eli Zaretskii , 28596@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 28596-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B28596.156959795711647 (code B ref 28596); Fri, 27 Sep 2019 15:26:02 +0000 Received: (at 28596) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Sep 2019 15:25:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48431 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iDs85-00031n-Bi for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2019 11:25:57 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:33652) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iDs83-00031b-Gt for 28596@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2019 11:25:55 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iDs7z-00033O-A9; Fri, 27 Sep 2019 17:25:53 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <87k20mq0uq.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83tvzl98fe.fsf@gnu.org> <87efqppm4p.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87bmlt76uw.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <831skd110u.fsf@gnu.org> <87wp22xvn8.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83bmjextpg.fsf@gnu.org> <87vagrj388.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <871sjfdaql.fsf_-_@moondust.localdomain> <87tvwbgino.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <83608qhl71.fsf@gnu.org> <87h8sahl3l.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <83wp16g2ky.fsf@gnu.org> <878tdmxue7.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83k1qdjzei.fsf@gnu.org> <87woud188j.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83a7r7ndw7.fsf@gnu.org> <8736wy7uai.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <87y3eq6f8u.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <87tvpe6e2x.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <877em0ii43.fsf@moondust.localdomain> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 17:25:50 +0200 In-Reply-To: <877em0ii43.fsf@moondust.localdomain> (N. Jackson's message of "Thu, 12 Jul 2018 11:33:32 -0400") Message-ID: <871rw1lq0x.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) writes: > Yes, the problem still exists. Gnus got into the confused > plugged/unplugged state again this morning. I've skimmed this thread -- the original bug was about `C-g' not working when Gnus hangs. I think this has likely been fixed -- Gnus now binds `inhibit-quit' to nil when bits of Gnus are running off o [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) writes: > Yes, the problem still exists. Gnus got into the confused > plugged/unplugged state again this morning. I've skimmed this thread -- the original bug was about `C-g' not working when Gnus hangs. I think this has likely been fixed -- Gnus now binds `inhibit-quit' to nil when bits of Gnus are running off of a timer. (In Emacs 27.) Do you see these problems in Emacs 27? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Mon Jun 23 09:39:04 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#28596: 26.0.60; Gnus gets into an ambiguous plugged/unplugged state that prevents retrieval of news Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 15:45:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 28596 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) writes: > >> Yes, the problem still exists. Gnus got into the confused >> plugged/unplugged state again this morning. > > I've skimmed this thread -- the original [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) writes: > >> Yes, the problem still exists. Gnus got into the confused >> plugged/unplugged state again this morning. > > I've skimmed this thread -- the original bug was about `C-g' not working > when Gnus hangs. I think this has likely been fixed -- Gnus now binds > `inhibit-quit' to nil when bits of Gnus are running off of a timer. (In > Emacs 27.) > > Do you see these problems in Emacs 27? More information was requested, but no response was given within a few months, so I'm closing this bug report. If the problem still exists, please respond to this email and we'll reopen the bug report. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 19 11:44:54 2020 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jul 2020 15:44:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32838 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jxBUk-0003kX-OT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2020 11:44:54 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:35112) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jxBUi-0003kB-Ej for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2020 11:44:52 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Subject:From:To:Message-Id:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=mxrBNa39j5Vol5PH4oX059snHB5mxdLJlaCV8djWnVs=; b=Jv8ckNMu5MaE7wISz6iPHMse8h bkQGB4zk5IQwAz8DzItlmF9rGKbtAisSW2JlaXJfIQxmGC30nOGJpLIdMJvbUdbVuEbxcHSPYdJ4L 0Sb66VwWOKOslrLNrtz8QCQ2jW0CCNgsBsm264tRtiXCpsVoPaRnH7MDCvDKhkbZ8a2Q=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jxBUa-0007S5-LT for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2020 17:44:46 +0200 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 17:44:43 +0200 Message-Id: <87365no6fo.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #28596 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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