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23.0.91; Private use area

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Message #5 received at submit <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com (full text, mbox):

From: Jonathan Coxhead <jonathan <at> doves.demon.co.uk>
To: emacs-pretest-bug <at> gnu.org
Subject: 23.0.91; Private use area
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 23:04:19 -0700

Please write in English if possible, because the Emacs maintainers
usually do not have translators to read other languages for them.

Your bug report will be posted to the emacs-pretest-bug <at> gnu.org mailing 
list.

Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug
and the precise symptoms of the bug:

(Not sure if this is a bug or a feature request.)

I have a file with characters from the Private Use Area of Unicode. I 
also have
a font, Code2000, "http://code2000.net/CODE2000.ZIP" which has the 
characters in
it. But emacs shows me squares instead of the characters. (Notepad can 
display
it.)

Here are a few lines from my file:

s/b//g; # umbar
s/c//g; # quesse
s/d//g; # ando
s/f//g; # formen
s/g//g; # ungwe

If Emacs crashed, and you have the Emacs process in the gdb debugger,
please include the output from the following gdb commands:
`bt full' and `xbacktrace'.
If you would like to further debug the crash, please read the file
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In GNU Emacs 23.0.91.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600)
of 2009-02-26 on SOFT-MJASON
Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600
configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4)'

Important settings:
value of $LC_ALL: nil
value of $LC_COLLATE: nil
value of $LC_CTYPE: nil
value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil
value of $LC_MONETARY: nil
value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil
value of $LC_TIME: nil
value of $LANG: ENU
value of $XMODIFIERS: nil
locale-coding-system: cp1252
default-enable-multibyte-characters: t

Major mode: Perl

Minor modes in effect:
tooltip-mode: t
tool-bar-mode: t
mouse-wheel-mode: t
menu-bar-mode: t
file-name-shadow-mode: t
global-font-lock-mode: t
font-lock-mode: t
blink-cursor-mode: t
global-auto-composition-mode: t
auto-composition-mode: t
auto-encryption-mode: t
auto-compression-mode: t
line-number-mode: t
transient-mark-mode: t

Recent input:
C-x C-f ~ / b i n / c i r t h . p l <return> <S-down-mouse-1>
C-l <down-mouse-3> <mouse-3> <down-mouse-1> <mouse-1>
C-x C-f u n c i a l . p l <return> M-> <S-down-mouse-1>
<help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo>
<help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo>
<help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo>
<help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo>
<help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <menu-bar> <options>
<menu-set-font> <help-echo> <help-echo> C-x C-f v i
r t h <M-left> <delete> c <right> <right> <right> <right>
. p l <return> M-M M-< M-M M-< M-> M-< C-x C-f t e
n g w a r . <tab> p l <return> <next> <next> <next>
<next> <next> <next> <next> <next> <next> <next> <next>
<next> M-< <down-mouse-1> <mouse-1> <right> <down>
<down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down>
<down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down>
<down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <right>
<right> <right> <right> <right> <right> <right> <right>
<right> <right> <right> <right> <right> <right> <right>
<right> <right> <right> <right> <right> <right> <right>
<right> <right> <right> <right> <down> <down> <down>
<help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo>
<help-echo> <help-echo> <menu-bar> <help-menu> <se
nd-emacs-bug-report>

Recent messages:
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mouse-appearance-menu: Invalid font object
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Message #10 received at 2830 <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com (full text, mbox):

From: Jason Rumney <jasonr <at> gnu.org>
To: Jonathan Coxhead <jonathan <at> doves.demon.co.uk>,
        2830 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#2830: 23.0.91; Private use area
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:02:03 +0800

Jonathan Coxhead wrote:
> I have a file with characters from the Private Use Area of Unicode. I 
> also have
> a font, Code2000, "http://code2000.net/CODE2000.ZIP" which has the 
> characters in
> it. But emacs shows me squares instead of the characters. (Notepad can 
> display
> it.)

How are you telling Emacs which font to use to display those characters?

Message #15 received at 2830 <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com (full text, mbox):

From: Jonathan Coxhead <jonathan.coxhead <at> nxp.com>
To: "2830 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <2830 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: bug#2830: 23.0.91; Private use area
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:16:12 +0200

Jason Rumney wrote:

> Jonathan Coxhead wrote:

> > I have a file with characters from the Private Use Area of Unicode. I 
> > also have
> > a font, Code2000, "http://code2000.net/CODE2000.ZIP" which has the 
> > characters in
> > it. But emacs shows me squares instead of the characters. (Notepad can 
> > display
> > it.)
>
> How are you telling Emacs which font to use to display those characters?

   I used the mouse. Shift-click didn't behave as it used to, but I found "Set Default Font..." on the "Options" menu on the menu bar. It seemed to work as I expected: the font is distinctive enough that I'm sure the buffer was using the font I chose (Code2000). But the private-use characters were displayed as empty boxes.

   Thanks for looking at this---I'd love to be able to edit Elvish (and other PUA scripts) with Emacs!

---Jonathan

Message #20 received at 2830 <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com (full text, mbox):

From: Jason Rumney <jasonr <at> gnu.org>
To: 2830 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#2830: 23.0.91; Private use area
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 08:07:48 +0800

jonathan <at> doves.demon.co.uk wrote:

>    I used the mouse. Shift-click didn't behave as it used to, but I found "Set Default Font..." on the "Options" menu on the menu bar. It seemed to work as I expected: the font is distinctive enough that I'm sure the buffer was using the font I chose (Code2000). But the private-use characters were displayed as empty boxes.
>   

Because these characters are from the Private Use Area, Emacs cannot 
assume that just because a font has glyphs at those code points that 
they are the right glyphs. You will need to explicitly tell Emacs that 
you want to use Code2000 to represent the PUA range:

(set-fontset-font t '(#xe000 . #xf8ff) (font-spec :family "Code2000"))

Message #25 received at 2830 <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Jason Rumney <jasonr <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 2830 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#2830: 23.0.91; Private use area
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 21:11:10 -0400

> Because these characters are from the Private Use Area, Emacs cannot assume
> that just because a font has glyphs at those code points that they are the
> right glyphs. You will need to explicitly tell Emacs that you want to use
> Code2000 to represent the PUA range:

> (set-fontset-font t '(#xe000 . #xf8ff) (font-spec :family "Code2000"))

It would probably make sense to just "use the default font" for any PUA
chars supported by that font.  It's not strictly correct, but in the
absence of any additional info, it seems like a good heuristic.


        Stefan

Message #30 received at 2830 <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com (full text, mbox):

From: Kenichi Handa <handa <at> m17n.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>, 2830 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Cc: jasonr <at> gnu.org, 2830 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#2830: 23.0.91; Private use area
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 10:44:16 +0900

In article <jwvd4bxuqlk.fsf-monnier+emacsbugreports <at> gnu.org>, Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

> > Because these characters are from the Private Use Area, Emacs cannot assume
> > that just because a font has glyphs at those code points that they are the
> > right glyphs. You will need to explicitly tell Emacs that you want to use
> > Code2000 to represent the PUA range:

> > (set-fontset-font t '(#xe000 . #xf8ff) (font-spec :family "Code2000"))

> It would probably make sense to just "use the default font" for any PUA
> chars supported by that font.  It's not strictly correct, but in the
> absence of any additional info, it seems like a good heuristic.

I agree.  I'll modify the setting of the default fontset to
do that.

---
Kenichi Handa
handa <at> m17n.org

Message #35 received at 2830 <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com (full text, mbox):

From: Kenichi Handa <handa <at> m17n.org>
To: 2830 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Cc: monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca
Subject: Re: bug#2830: 23.0.91; Private use area
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 12:15:49 +0900

In article <E1LopV2-00067C-5N <at> etlken>, Kenichi Handa <handa <at> m17n.org> writes:

> In article <jwvd4bxuqlk.fsf-monnier+emacsbugreports <at> gnu.org>, Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
> > > Because these characters are from the Private Use Area, Emacs cannot assume
> > > that just because a font has glyphs at those code points that they are the
> > > right glyphs. You will need to explicitly tell Emacs that you want to use
> > > Code2000 to represent the PUA range:

> > > (set-fontset-font t '(#xe000 . #xf8ff) (font-spec :family "Code2000"))

> > It would probably make sense to just "use the default font" for any PUA
> > chars supported by that font.  It's not strictly correct, but in the
> > absence of any additional info, it seems like a good heuristic.

> I agree.  I'll modify the setting of the default fontset to
> do that.

Done.

---
Kenichi Handa
handa <at> m17n.org

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