From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Aug 21 23:25:28 2017 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Aug 2017 03:25:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48441 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1djzom-0004ik-6A for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 23:25:28 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:57352) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1djzok-0004iY-Jz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 23:25:26 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1djzoe-00078s-Ry for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 23:25:21 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:40079) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1djzoe-00078k-OP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 23:25:20 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48323) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1djzod-0001Ta-KO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 23:25:20 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1djzoa-00077o-Gp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 23:25:19 -0400 Received: from homie.mail.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.208]:38362 helo=homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1djzoa-00076g-7u for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 23:25:16 -0400 Received: from homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2476284078 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 20:25:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to :subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s= jidanni.org; bh=JXvRd5BOPEIYPzIjvF9HUP9i2B0=; b=Wxf1XfPWwIh+Bb0R lDbBRqDcApyibcJTCIThgzrWU3KwPZiDCBMeRWmJecxUP2+HdExfsa/DLWOZovS0 n16WT702HWLZCNgiGLyqZltn6XeUql46mu+hoxZcghYz1EIb2mDiTd7cKHydx4Gk AyVaNNzRAUd5IJZ6EBVSpMmUk+w= Received: from jidanni.org (122-118-20-186.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [122.118.20.186]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7C56328406A for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 20:25:11 -0700 (PDT) From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 11:05:40 +0800 Message-ID: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) In most browsers, CTRL++ zooms text, making it progressively bigger. In emacs, one just gets "C-= is undefined". (CTRL+-, the reverse action, is bound to negative-argument.) Anyway, no matter what binding or not, there is apparently not command yet to simply zoom text like in a browser. The best one can do is the methods mentioned in (info "(emacs) Fonts"). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Aug 22 10:30:59 2017 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Aug 2017 14:30:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49686 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dkACp-0007I6-ER for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 10:30:59 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51646) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dkACn-0007Ht-NZ for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 10:30:57 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dkACd-00021k-PV for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 10:30:52 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59003) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dkACd-00021e-MJ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 10:30:47 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2409 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1dkACd-0001Hw-67; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 10:30:47 -0400 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 17:30:44 +0300 Message-Id: <831so3bror.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson In-reply-to: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: 28182@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson > > Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 11:05:40 +0800 > > In most browsers, CTRL++ zooms text, > making it progressively bigger. > In emacs, one just gets > "C-= is undefined". > > (CTRL+-, the reverse action, is bound to > negative-argument.) > > Anyway, no matter what binding or not, there is apparently not command > yet to simply zoom text like in a browser. The best one can do is the > methods mentioned in (info "(emacs) Fonts"). Did you try "C-x C-+"? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Aug 22 11:28:09 2017 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Aug 2017 15:28:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49721 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dkB68-000089-Lf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 11:28:08 -0400 Received: from mail-yw0-f178.google.com ([209.85.161.178]:36587) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dk8KH-0002Pg-I4 for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 08:30:33 -0400 Received: by mail-yw0-f178.google.com with SMTP id y64so22399435ywf.3 for <28182@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 05:30:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=eGZbdMUNoVUTa9Qbyo+/ncPlVoDdEpQIromscfjWSbo=; b=m0hzpPYiF5LFpGCSqVb7m/64vpWur85QTW9q9zvvcLS7/Qoh+C+nAroNLCv9ebCpl/ SUTg0R625hpCsOziIhgwYx/uKtzTec3lTOqcyzoknthSFpPiCENUdH3SAwv+xYYFW2pd lI5KNPvuFOcFNv013E4glSPK/ho0b/BmzcLZZAS6g5BuZRaX+GBJuL6+ZmJdsQ1qM+dr Gz0sOUvPo+aQgYMxZGtXfx8wMuKiVY5YkedyA7mUo7q+70DkPhl8kkWs8vb4hEPlk+I2 OdGnhP+8wWFRTCsOGMzsd0H/Qh+TWzDtap9HtxKSvJNfpFbg1xrlm8vFl9AgP9+RCfoY 144g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=eGZbdMUNoVUTa9Qbyo+/ncPlVoDdEpQIromscfjWSbo=; b=OpYnF13w+X/2l9ntKyoLoQo+UXn4yAN+whnbckeicZIowCI4m7OHeAca+ffqsQTod2 Sut96kz3h6+4agRnD8mLw4PnVN4RKzbVjuUGVXRzuSz+C6LW6FDAYSTkKoFeAw+cGS8O qgWK7ab1K2XWpS2RjsJUD9HoJgsYGuTLkAOJnR7WLIAAhd4gpJuDuFNIYkoImjnYnMlJ sArzAa1rlkgx0p6uwSlTA/Mbd9UDvxMU1/8lmdSFKSMtUQVYpNBTyKMJ+t2SKMasLTT5 U4qZhGuJor5A+X/70yT/bbepZoad6dSogw5WaYH/n7Qr6+r1E1EiB7Cdf5AO3FLrAB+p nl/w== X-Gm-Message-State: AHYfb5j3ftVD92/6XimrWmKK1KtybKqN/P4LQ0hWFn8zK1idNLtygTc7 YWPRY84yheHjisYNe+7iAlPJt5xrPw== X-Received: by 10.129.165.150 with SMTP id c144mr403223ywh.19.1503405025494; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 05:30:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.31.195 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 05:30:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> From: Nathan Moreau Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 14:30:24 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: V_cIy2Zk01klL2Rb4B6dHQxxN58 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text To: =?UTF-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8IERhbiBKYWNvYnNvbg==?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 11:28:07 -0400 Cc: 28182@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) What about text-scale-adjust (C-x C-+ or C-x C-=3D) ? On 22 August 2017 at 05:05, =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson wrote: > In most browsers, CTRL++ zooms text, > making it progressively bigger. > In emacs, one just gets > "C-=3D is undefined". > > (CTRL+-, the reverse action, is bound to > negative-argument.) > > Anyway, no matter what binding or not, there is apparently not command > yet to simply zoom text like in a browser. The best one can do is the > methods mentioned in (info "(emacs) Fonts"). > > > From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 23 10:16:25 2017 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Aug 2017 14:16:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51519 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dkWSH-0003rI-21 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 10:16:25 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42450) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dkWSF-0003r2-Vm for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 10:16:24 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dkWSA-0002hF-07 for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 10:16:18 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:48059) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dkWS3-0002ZR-MP; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 10:16:11 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1dkWS3-0005Wd-6g; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 10:16:11 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <831so3bror.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Tue, 22 Aug 2017 17:30:44 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <831so3bror.fsf@gnu.org> Message-Id: Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 10:16:11 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Did you try "C-x C-+"? I don't think it would occur to people to try that key sequence. It's not what other programs use. How about if we make C-+ and C-- do this, as they do in many other programs? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 23 10:29:30 2017 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Aug 2017 14:29:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51526 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dkWew-0004A4-6A for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 10:29:30 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:19531) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dkWeu-00049q-AQ for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 10:29:28 -0400 Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id v7NETKTr023689 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:29:21 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v7NETK3p024361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:29:20 GMT Received: from abhmp0009.oracle.com (abhmp0009.oracle.com [141.146.116.15]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v7NETKq0030376; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:29:20 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <27bdd6b6-c8a8-44e5-a85d-775892e91bf4@default> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 07:29:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: rms@gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii Subject: RE: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text References: <<87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org>> <<831so3bror.fsf@gnu.org>> <> In-Reply-To: <> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6774.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] >=20 > > Did you try "C-x C-+"? >=20 > I don't think it would occur to people to try that key sequence. > It's not what other programs use. >=20 > How about if we make C-+ and C-- do this, as they do in many > other programs? FWIW - 1. C-- (where it is supported) is the same as M-- and C-M-- (`negative-argument'). 2. Lots of users no doubt bind C-+ (and C-=3D, because =3D is the unshifted + key on many keyboards) for something else. For example, I use C-=3D as a prefix key for comparison operations (e.g. C-=3D b is ediff-buffers, C-=3D d is diff, C-=3D e is ediff-files, and C-=3D w is compare-windows). I've suggested that Emacs do the same out of the box, =3D being a good mnemonic for comparison. (Yes, I know that existing user bindings don't count for much. Just mentioning this.) 3. If we were to bind C-- and C-+ to as you suggest then we should at least keep the C-x C-- and C-x C-+ (and C-x C-=3D) bindings as well. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 23 10:57:54 2017 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Aug 2017 14:57:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51545 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dkX6P-0004oI-T4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 10:57:54 -0400 Received: from homie.mail.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.208]:35773 helo=homiemail-a60.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dkX6O-0004o4-1o for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 10:57:52 -0400 Received: from homiemail-a60.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a60.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39F573BC071; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 07:57:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to :subject:references:cc:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; s=jidanni.org; bh=lEiOUrRO0gQVYFv1Lv law79I9Yk=; b=Q3UP2aramOpQRGxIGFYm/4SN00xb3zELbeiwLT8u2bR/gwY83P E7i2Bn3wmxQxgighitFw69lZvtu3OAadGO1uA7heUN6fhBQmSMdgLrAQNrVAzw5Z /7GiD+aRW2ytDfSxO957XI4cmQlXEJ3L7km2NAizbx4hwC2+h7XO1X3HI= Received: from jidanni.org (61-224-85-93.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [61.224.85.93]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by homiemail-a60.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 02A853BC06E; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 07:57:50 -0700 (PDT) From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: Nathan Moreau , Richard Stallman , Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 22:57:48 +0800 Message-ID: <87d17mib6b.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: 28182@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) All I know is we were taught to use "C-u -" for negative arguments, therefore maybe C-- can be used to unzoom. And C-+ (C-=3D) is unbound at the moment. By the way currently on (info "(emacs) Text Scale") it says The final key of these commands may be repeated without the leading =E2=80=98C-x=E2=80=99. For instance, =E2=80=98C-x C-=3D C-=3D C-=3D=E2=80= =99 increases the face height by three steps. Perhaps it should also note C-x C-=3D =3D =3D does the same thing. I also notice if text-scale-mode-step is exactly 1 and one trys C-x C-=3D etc. text becomes very tiny. I suppose it was never expected that anyone try that and maybe an error should be raised. Anyway all these multiplication factors still leave no way for the user to go from 12 to 13 to 14 to 15 ... point sizes. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 23 11:55:23 2017 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Aug 2017 15:55:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51571 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dkY03-0006BG-NO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 11:55:23 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:51206) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dkY02-0006B2-RE for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 11:55:23 -0400 Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id v7NFtGc7023334 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Aug 2017 15:55:16 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v7NFtFqa013353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Aug 2017 15:55:15 GMT Received: from abhmp0009.oracle.com (abhmp0009.oracle.com [141.146.116.15]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v7NFtEfE029275; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 15:55:14 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <9ea239e7-6b41-4bad-9ec5-c80be7dbadc2@default> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 08:55:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8IERhbiBKYWNvYnNvbg==?= , Nathan Moreau , Richard Stallman , Eli Zaretskii Subject: RE: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <87d17mib6b.fsf@jidanni.org> In-Reply-To: <87d17mib6b.fsf@jidanni.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6774.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: 28182@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) > All I know is we were taught to use "C-u -" for negative arguments, Don't follow everything you are taught. ;-) > therefore maybe C-- can be used to unzoom. And C-+ (C-=3D) is unbound at > the moment. They are free, but there is no reason to waste them. Leaving these commands on the C-x prefix makes sense. When the last key is repeated the action is repeated, which is very quick. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 23 12:05:19 2017 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Aug 2017 16:05:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51584 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dkY9f-0006Ql-7S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 12:05:19 -0400 Received: from homie.mail.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.208]:48682 helo=homiemail-a60.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dkY9d-0006Qd-7y for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 12:05:17 -0400 Received: from homiemail-a60.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a60.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 749D83BC06E; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:05:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=/hARH2RmC6jOlJ+L0S6KIGwhH5s=; b=bpj4G7SPwJWOB xLG5uKtKD/hR4BgL6pzDYcgRv5O5LaeorjItjo61G8YFV9mJhvZSZmfr5Ejo6+j9 vV42wHpAChw6h+7rqGyTpGxy8KBmTAuNLjNqweRCTYgzmYvagMI19aLy6OUFJC1T D3L3GErQQiUmc89goyR8gTZQibDRe8= Received: from jidanni.org (61-224-85-93.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [61.224.85.93]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by homiemail-a60.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 61C333BC070; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:05:15 -0700 (PDT) From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 00:05:13 +0800 Message-ID: <87vales212.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: Nathan Moreau , Eli Zaretskii , Richard Stallman , 28182@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) >>>>> "DA" == Drew Adams writes: DA> They are free, but there is no reason to waste them. Saving them for some future better commands despite many programs having already reached a consensus on what they should do? DA> Leaving these commands on the C-x prefix makes sense. When the DA> last key is repeated the action is repeated, which is very quick. All I know is please keep C-x C-= runs the command text-scale-adjust and add C-= also runs the command text-scale-adjust... From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 23 12:20:13 2017 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Aug 2017 16:20:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51601 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dkYO5-0006lr-9L for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 12:20:13 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:32881) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dkYO2-0006le-QX for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 12:20:11 -0400 Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id v7NGK2Mh025184 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Aug 2017 16:20:03 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v7NGK17I017106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Aug 2017 16:20:02 GMT Received: from abhmp0009.oracle.com (abhmp0009.oracle.com [141.146.116.15]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v7NGJxLE014415; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 16:20:00 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2757fc49-3195-44f7-8b4c-b03349543b8b@default> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:19:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8IERhbiBKYWNvYnNvbg==?= Subject: RE: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <87vales212.fsf@jidanni.org> In-Reply-To: <87vales212.fsf@jidanni.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6774.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: Nathan Moreau , Eli Zaretskii , Richard Stallman , 28182@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) > DA> They are free, but there is no reason to waste them. >=20 > Saving them for some future better commands despite many programs > having already reached a consensus on what they should do? "Many programs" are not Emacs. Most programs do not use anywhere near the number of key bindings Emacs uses (out of the box). Binding keys by default is not something to do lightly. "Many programs" use CUA keys too. Emacs does not, except by user opt-in (`cua-mode'). That's the right approach, IMO. > DA> Leaving these commands on the C-x prefix makes sense. When the > DA> last key is repeated the action is repeated, which is very quick. >=20 > All I know is please keep C-x C-=3D runs the command text-scale-adjust > and add C-=3D also runs the command text-scale-adjust... Yes to keeping C-x C-=3D as text-scale-adjust. No, C-=3D does not current run text-scale-adjust; it is unbound. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 23 13:56:18 2017 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Aug 2017 17:56:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51662 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dkZt4-0000ZV-N1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 13:56:18 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:49815) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dkZt3-0000ZI-49 for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 13:56:17 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dkZsu-0001EM-A9 for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 13:56:11 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:52538) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dkZsu-0001EG-78; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 13:56:08 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3761 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1dkZsl-0007yN-Ut; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 13:56:01 -0400 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 20:55:29 +0300 Message-Id: <831so29nji.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: rms@gnu.org In-reply-to: (message from Richard Stallman on Wed, 23 Aug 2017 10:16:11 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <831so3bror.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Richard Stallman > CC: jidanni@jidanni.org, 28182@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 10:16:11 -0400 > > How about if we make C-+ and C-- do this, as they do in many > other programs? These keys are already taken for typing numerical argument. So I don't think we should make such incompatible changes. 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[150.46.48.154]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n16sm4098773pgc.84.2017.08.23.16.05.27 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Wed, 23 Aug 2017 16:05:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Tak Kunihiro X-Google-Original-From: Tak Kunihiro To: Richard Stallman Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Wed, 23 Aug 2017 10:16:11 -0400") Message-ID: References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <831so3bror.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.2 (darwin) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 08:05:18 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) Richard Stallman writes: > > Did you try "C-x C-+"? > > I don't think it would occur to people to try that key sequence. > It's not what other programs use. > > How about if we make C-+ and C-- do this, as they do in many > other programs? I think that people want to increase size of font when they are in an environment with mouse. Thus I suggest and . From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 23 19:11:33 2017 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Aug 2017 23:11:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51852 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dkeo9-0001Kx-Kr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 19:11:33 -0400 Received: from homie.mail.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.208]:48504 helo=homiemail-a60.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dkeo7-0001Ko-Bk for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 19:11:31 -0400 Received: from homiemail-a60.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a60.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 210653BC06B; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 16:11:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=S85zA9taroYoWSEoCNeO3bB3Fm8=; b=NjGKJJ4d4GwNs 9husdI5bHDIMzeQoG8BphAwCnZePeb1XTJo9X7z8pARw32tVoZjiakEpr42wabZv jFpRiPRiU+hqHtdebsfIbeRH18N6Ec35V3csi+WMtLk8wgonEd9CjUB7PLzwg5uH +Oe1eewvp62HlSxIk6kP12zijKclG8= Received: from jidanni.org (61-224-85-93.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [61.224.85.93]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by homiemail-a60.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E29CF3BC063; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 16:11:27 -0700 (PDT) From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 07:11:25 +0800 Message-ID: <87efs1g9r6.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: Nathan Moreau , Eli Zaretskii , Richard Stallman , 28182@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) This morning I finally switched from $ xrandr --output DP-1 --mode 1920x1080 #to $ xrandr --output DP-1 --mode 1680x1050 and now can read things comfortably again. About that text zooming key binding stuff, maybe make them part (info "(emacs) CUA Bindings"). That seems where the CTRL++ and CTRL+- overrides belong. If the user is rebinding C-c and C-x etc. then he probably also wants the zoom overrides for CTRL++ and CTRL+- he is familiar with. (I'm not exactly sure how close all this is to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Common_User_Access etc.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 23 19:24:10 2017 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Aug 2017 23:24:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51864 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dkf0L-0001dX-6L for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 19:24:10 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:24318) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dkf0J-0001d3-3P for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 19:24:07 -0400 Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id v7NNO0Gq007160 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Aug 2017 23:24:00 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v7NNNxC2003732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Aug 2017 23:24:00 GMT Received: from abhmp0009.oracle.com (abhmp0009.oracle.com [141.146.116.15]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v7NNNwYP011335; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 23:23:59 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <6ba60983-ae7f-4b54-8890-d02ff17b03f6@default> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 16:23:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Tak Kunihiro , Richard Stallman Subject: RE: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <831so3bror.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6774.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) > I think that people want to increase size of font when they are in an > environment with mouse. Thus I suggest and . +1. FWIW, I do that in zoom-frm.el. =20 Commands `zoom-in' and `zoom-out' can do text-scaling or frame-zooming, depending on the value of variable `zoom-frame/buffer' (which you can toggle with a prefix arg for the command). (global-set-key [S-mouse-1] 'zoom-in) (global-set-key [C-S-mouse-1] 'zoom-out) (global-set-key (vector (list 'control mouse-wheel-down-event)) 'zoom-in) (global-set-key (vector (list 'control mouse-wheel-up-event)) 'zoom-out) And in/out command `zoom-in/out': (define-key ctl-x-map [(control ?+)] 'zoom-in/out) (define-key ctl-x-map [(control ?-)] 'zoom-in/out) (define-key ctl-x-map [(control ?=3D)] 'zoom-in/out) (define-key ctl-x-map [(control ?0)] 'zoom-in/out) https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/download/zoom-frm.el From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 23 19:29:01 2017 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Aug 2017 23:29:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51872 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dkf53-0001kN-1j for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 19:29:01 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:26233) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dkf51-0001kA-QR for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 19:29:00 -0400 Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id v7NNSrIB011840 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Aug 2017 23:28:54 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v7NNSrad021821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Aug 2017 23:28:53 GMT Received: from abhmp0009.oracle.com (abhmp0009.oracle.com [141.146.116.15]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v7NNSqNn006466; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 23:28:52 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <753425c1-aa68-457b-b347-0a6c582c9afc@default> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 16:28:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8IERhbiBKYWNvYnNvbg==?= Subject: RE: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <87efs1g9r6.fsf@jidanni.org> In-Reply-To: <87efs1g9r6.fsf@jidanni.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6774.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: Nathan Moreau , Eli Zaretskii , Richard Stallman , 28182@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) > About that text zooming key binding stuff, > maybe make them part (info "(emacs) CUA Bindings"). > That seems where the CTRL++ and CTRL+- overrides belong. > If the user is rebinding C-c and C-x etc. then he probably also wants > the zoom overrides for CTRL++ and CTRL+- he is familiar with. >=20 > (I'm not exactly sure how close all this is to > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_IBM-5FCommon-5FUser- > 5FAccess&d=3DDwIBAg&c=3DRoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=3Dq= ZLZosY6GB > AaJtOG9v8QX7nD4BS9t9s5otgxC3d4IFU&m=3D7BofVf_jmEndxuMwgszZM4WqfVkdKiqE6m4= 8YHoX > OHw&s=3DC6n8ANAX45ayIUggDjIsrtZrB9LnLneshTs6eBpF59o&e=3D etc.) As you hint in your last paragraph, I don't think this has anything to do with CUA. Just as I argue that Emacs's cl.el should not have extraneous stuff that has nothing to do with Common Lisp (which it has gotten, little by little), so I'd argue that text-scaling should not be added to `cua-mode'. If you want to create another minor mode that uses those keys for text-scaling, that's OK by me. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Aug 20 21:52:00 2019 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Aug 2019 01:52:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34308 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i0Fn5-0006Ws-V8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 21:52:00 -0400 Received: from mail-pg1-f174.google.com ([209.85.215.174]:38602) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i0Fn4-0006WZ-F2 for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 21:51:58 -0400 Received: by mail-pg1-f174.google.com with SMTP id e11so356654pga.5 for <28182@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 18:51:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=12MSQxZ6ib6zOVNUULWtvy6DQ5lhZ5qXBSsgGwyC6Og=; b=YCVDcQ4q1NNvO5MlilamP0wF/C3yna+JnhRNHSQqaabkAWbqN9VVgw4U6+ITDnc/Ul uqJYt6nWnCJ7XfE4y9FSQ/36dEftJ3aYr09DnADCvXSgXm4qv05YRlXAGTAVK0u8Gcj2 smgrG1y1mBoM7tW7s+kzT6tzZwifGBiPi350x6Jae6pxnse5dqX0tm5582J4l+RNpstv fmBckmBHxGk8xSTZFBx4D+aAUXhbFMBU2t6IzDD4mpzoy1dzhMsy8fDGou6wWGzTdQU6 zYl4N5VpqA9YWZlnBYf7N9SP5BfqAJRF+/pO8d1hin2XDNA2vhrOu2SLIeDcgfVAMD12 J9DQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWew86HcOMhQHAGPx4WaAMGo25TF5NxlNsYhnoeIg1g6LmIcX2v AUzN2sDuobhinMUa+xLgNdVaC/g63ss7Ly0kN+0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzhMpeMqh7CqE5bWlha1x75Uvb4A2gIJVzzvzYDyyeeV3PWQWrIYy2g07HEHZ/ebNcx5+AEGdIQWlsK7MJ9t78= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:fa8f:: with SMTP id cu15mr2926548pjb.119.1566352312472; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 18:51:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Kangas Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 03:51:40 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text To: Tak Kunihiro Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0000000000002dc87f059096d113" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Richard Stallman , 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, =?UTF-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8IERhbiBKYWNvYnNvbg==?= X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) --0000000000002dc87f059096d113 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" tags 28182 + patch quit Tak Kunihiro writes: > Richard Stallman writes: > >> > Did you try "C-x C-+"? >> >> I don't think it would occur to people to try that key sequence. >> It's not what other programs use. >> >> How about if we make C-+ and C-- do this, as they do in many >> other programs? > > I think that people want to increase size of font when they are in an > environment with mouse. Thus I suggest and . I think this is a good idea, which has the usability benefit to mirror what happens in many common browsers, and other common text editors. I remember myself that I was struggling to find the binding to change the font size when I was an Emacs beginner. I have implemented this suggestion in the attached patch. However, this will be an incompatible change, since this was previously bound to scrolling up and down by close to a full screen. I therefore moved that binding to the meta modifier and wrote a NEWS item that explains how to get the old functionality back. How does it look? 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Wed, 21 Aug 2019 02:12:56 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (userp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id x7L28Ml7038990; Wed, 21 Aug 2019 02:12:55 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2ug269dwxu-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Aug 2019 02:12:55 +0000 Received: from abhmp0020.oracle.com (abhmp0020.oracle.com [141.146.116.26]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id x7L2CrO1016428; Wed, 21 Aug 2019 02:12:53 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2019 19:12:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Stefan Kangas , Tak Kunihiro Subject: RE: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4873.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9355 signatures=668684 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1906280000 definitions=main-1908210019 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9355 signatures=668684 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1906280000 definitions=main-1908210019 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: Richard Stallman , 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8IERhbiBKYWNvYnNvbg==?= X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > I think this is a good idea, which has the usability benefit to mirror > what happens in many common browsers, and other common text editors. > I remember myself that I was struggling to find the binding to change > the font size when I was an Emacs beginner. >=20 > I have implemented this suggestion in the attached patch. >=20 > However, this will be an incompatible change, since this was > previously bound to scrolling up and down by close to a full screen. > I therefore moved that binding to the meta modifier and wrote a NEWS > item that explains how to get the old functionality back. >=20 > How does it look? I'm not sure that mouse-4 and mouse-5 have that meaning for all mice and platforms. Some mice have separate mouse-4 and mouse-5 buttons. I think this is the right way to do it: (global-set-key (vector (list 'control mouse-wheel-up-event)) 'text-scale-increase)) (global-set-key (vector (list 'control mouse-wheel-down-event)) 'text-scale-decrease)) I've been using that for years, and I use it all the time. --- But I bind them to `zoom-in' and `zoom-out', which can zoom either the buffer (via `text-scale-(in|de)crease) or the frame (via `zoom-frm-(in|out)'). A prefix arg toggles between buffer and frame zooming. https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/download/zoom-frm.el From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 21 09:19:29 2019 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Aug 2019 13:19:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34873 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i0QWO-0006mK-Vn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Aug 2019 09:19:29 -0400 Received: from mail-pf1-f170.google.com ([209.85.210.170]:36504) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i0QWL-0006m7-HT for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Aug 2019 09:19:27 -0400 Received: by mail-pf1-f170.google.com with SMTP id w2so1437553pfi.3 for <28182@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 21 Aug 2019 06:19:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=1Rh2qic2xBKf7OzTKuWbPAc1WFyi+T8EgJCzTqpUZtk=; b=Hx1xJgYUvHF57G/Uzp8+qF0lNCEU5P5+EwYMjY9lt3meBKBbIzDotWGKjtS2bp7IiY GmwSUfo7cqVZapxe2Pkh2NSL0G4rR0iTyAik7fAGP1foRHYqrnB26O5TWTyC8PyDgish ptMoDbzNkxxUaPFHLs/cVRvULpeRExu5Mz1bTLCeEzl4n6t9mjHDlnhIXuuUepWPvlVs GcqztodWrUXWGSZp8F47Y/Eot4+KRxUupN2Okuapc1SB6VjXnpPF9t6GRqw3yQ9CAxJa UoFTiytPP2xbalz8301b8fTAiNd+UDLzdGUEGTkppsgAP1QWrnTJRAdwr8xWo7y2Bq2/ FXhQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWal36yMyprspNt6mZjIwfKbKaORT4BiliPGofZ6mL2S8xa49hK VhBhS5CrByLNTpdi2MRk+E6rnliKSSxGpFW5XVc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwlL4tbSOoa63QAAStlKyecMCkssBuFplXa+DHmyTPKERxKyxPDhn3985ULJpRMiYGUUn4El+XqRdvBzB0M6VQ= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:9552:: with SMTP id w18mr34993100pfq.107.1566393559838; Wed, 21 Aug 2019 06:19:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> In-Reply-To: From: Stefan Kangas Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 15:19:08 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text To: Drew Adams Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="000000000000b69d630590a06bc2" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: Tak Kunihiro , Richard Stallman , 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, =?UTF-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8IERhbiBKYWNvYnNvbg==?= X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) --000000000000b69d630590a06bc2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Drew Adams writes: > > I think this is a good idea, which has the usability benefit to mirror > > what happens in many common browsers, and other common text editors. > > I remember myself that I was struggling to find the binding to change > > the font size when I was an Emacs beginner. > > > > I have implemented this suggestion in the attached patch. > > > > However, this will be an incompatible change, since this was > > previously bound to scrolling up and down by close to a full screen. > > I therefore moved that binding to the meta modifier and wrote a NEWS > > item that explains how to get the old functionality back. > > > > How does it look? > > I'm not sure that mouse-4 and mouse-5 have that meaning > for all mice and platforms. Some mice have separate > mouse-4 and mouse-5 buttons. Thanks. Your comment made me realize that my entire approach had been a bit naive. I've now reworked the patch to only enable these key bindings when mouse-wheel-mode is enabled, and added a defcustom to change which modifier the font size functionality will use (or to optionally disable it completely). One small comment regarding the patch. We could perhaps get away with not adding the defvar mwheel-installed-text-scale-bindings, but I added that to make sure that we don't accidentally remove any key bindings we didn't mean to. I might be too defensive here, though, so please let me know if simpler code is preferred here over this level of cautiousness. 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[64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.17.5); Sat, 24 Aug 2019 22:08:24 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Squirrel-Dime: 659a3e375df35662_1566684504727_1480940756 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1566684504727:3023103857 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1566684504727 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a18.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a18.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 855C083AC7; Sat, 24 Aug 2019 15:08:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=linkov.net; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=linkov.net; bh=jJFFn0Zxf8DmJoihn1Xl9SaocS0=; b= zz/DKhoKwjQ0dsFpZgOHQmv+Slw2JzHH5/AIUk1cilpbXA3DZe9HxqhOMeugBg03 G65F3txP5wXcz4zzhMPYptAJV1jwtVqJe98LKcZHi06HbEn6mIlZBfYyuK33VO8m Gi0mAP3Miu/qrUy5gbE2nGtPftAcWk1NjthmIHWtjmo= Received: from mail.jurta.org (m91-129-109-163.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.109.163]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jurta@jurta.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a18.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1203C83B42; Sat, 24 Aug 2019 15:08:16 -0700 (PDT) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a18 From: Juri Linkov To: Stefan Kangas Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2019 01:06:49 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Wed, 21 Aug 2019 15:19:08 +0200") Message-ID: <87tva69q12.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduvddrudehuddgtdeiucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujfgurhephffvufhofhffjgfkfgggtgesthdtredttdertdenucfhrhhomheplfhurhhiucfnihhnkhhovhcuoehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtqeenucffohhmrghinhepghhnuhdrohhrghenucfkphepledurdduvdelrddutdelrdduieefnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehmrghilhdrjhhurhhtrgdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpeeluddruddvledruddtledrudeifedprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheplfhurhhiucfnihhnkhhovhcuoehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtpdhnrhgtphhtthhopehsthgvfhgrnhesmhgrrhigihhsthdrshgvnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, Tak Kunihiro , Richard Stallman , Drew Adams , =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > One small comment regarding the patch. We could perhaps get away with > not adding the defvar mwheel-installed-text-scale-bindings, but I > added that to make sure that we don't accidentally remove any key > bindings we didn't mean to. I might be too defensive here, though, so > please let me know if simpler code is preferred here over this level > of cautiousness. Nice change. Another variant is to add special symbols to the existing customization, e.g.: '(5 ((shift) . 1) ((control) . text-scale) ((meta) . nil)) or even support text-scale step number if needed: '(5 ((shift) . 1) ((control) . (text-scale . 1)) ((meta) . nil)) This is similar to what I proposed with '((shift) . (hscroll . 1)) to scroll horizontally like Shift-wheel does in web browsers: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2010-10/msg00202.html Also please look at discussions for other related requests: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-05/msg00529.html https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2017-03/msg00797.html https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2017-09/msg00129.html From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Aug 26 20:40:45 2019 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Aug 2019 00:40:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47355 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i2PXR-00028l-6B for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 20:40:45 -0400 Received: from mail-pg1-f175.google.com ([209.85.215.175]:33592) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i2PXN-00028M-TQ for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 20:40:42 -0400 Received: by mail-pg1-f175.google.com with SMTP id n190so11617202pgn.0 for <28182@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 17:40:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=wwobPWVNT310aKp48ANZipgPEjnYIaYSXBHJuf0QZUo=; b=FqNLlA3RAoOgFRqyJ0bzSpy1ePBy1gGL/vpIan1XZl7N+uqUV7b6flXAzH2/oO0K5+ 2djduKNuGpBrKO+SWxpqIqKHvwrOc1Aun+8UFYHvCOZ2xONPq3fLvKhQBr97ogjjznv9 34FupvCqgOyvq1I7/Ofq+ITQIlw9YuWibtQ1sobQXzuFzmK7uawgr+Hi2+ah9ZsRniJk rhdJOgAY6D8IkfxryOGapfHNeaAtG8uw6SKRZyQog3wdPOIivOmLXp+uxELpkhx3aqCG Tzggt8LRPzQrz51mqq4xF2WctuxvdTKlty/RtzVuolZPdALEYjwTQXmxeMlOx/+rk+7v swrw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVbCYP22/NVnXsJNmJsZvkjTZvv8t24MCQQx3jqPojy3lT+t0ox ldtYXZuQJ7fYt1OIMzZ57EsQ9U2uXuFBxonKQpU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxF5MlU1iv+0dbiV9itEw7RoyKxp6U/LfBvX3q5UgMPCeU+6b7R3jGii9ElaW/+RLmPCUYtt0N4FQdVGTbeLfc= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:fa8f:: with SMTP id cu15mr22759685pjb.119.1566866435993; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 17:40:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <87tva69q12.fsf@mail.linkov.net> In-Reply-To: <87tva69q12.fsf@mail.linkov.net> From: Stefan Kangas Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2019 02:40:24 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text To: Juri Linkov Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, Tak Kunihiro , Richard Stallman , Drew Adams , =?UTF-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8IERhbiBKYWNvYnNvbg==?= X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Juri Linkov writes: > Nice change. Glad you like it. > Another variant is to add special symbols to > the existing customization, e.g.: > > '(5 ((shift) . 1) ((control) . text-scale) ((meta) . nil)) > > or even support text-scale step number if needed: > > '(5 ((shift) . 1) ((control) . (text-scale . 1)) ((meta) . nil)) I like your idea that this would all be defined in one place. One nit is that the variable name there is mouse-wheel-scroll-amount, and I'm not sure this is the best name for functionality to change the font size. If we go ahead with that, perhaps it should be renamed to something like mouse-wheel-scroll-modifiers? > This is similar to what I proposed with > > '((shift) . (hscroll . 1)) > > to scroll horizontally like Shift-wheel does in web browsers: > > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2010-10/msg00202.html Thanks for pointing that out. AFAICT that was never merged? > Also please look at discussions for other related requests: > > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-05/msg00529.html > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2017-03/msg00797.html > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2017-09/msg00129.html Thanks. 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(text-scale . 1)) ((meta) . nil)) > > I like your idea that this would all be defined in one place. > > One nit is that the variable name there is mouse-wheel-scroll-amount, > and I'm not sure this is the best name for functionality to change the > font size. If we go ahead with that, perhaps it should be renamed to > something like mouse-wheel-scroll-modifiers? It looks like mouse-wheel-scroll-amount still makes some sense as using wheel-scrolling to change the amount of font pixels. Generally it's better to refrain from renaming old customisable variables when possible. >> This is similar to what I proposed with >> >> '((shift) . (hscroll . 1)) >> >> to scroll horizontally like Shift-wheel does in web browsers: >> >> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2010-10/msg00202.html > > Thanks for pointing that out. AFAICT that was never merged? Alas, that was never merged, but I still miss this functionality. Maybe now there is another chance first to implement ((control) . text-scale) and then duplicate the same functionality for ((shift) . (hscroll . 1)) >> Also please look at discussions for other related requests: >> >> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-05/msg00529.html >> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2017-03/msg00797.html >> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2017-09/msg00129.html > > Thanks. These are more about changing the numeric values for smoother scrolling, I already customized to the suggested values, and scrolling is really smoother, but I'm not sure about changing the default values. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Sep 28 09:09:56 2019 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Sep 2019 13:09:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49459 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iECTx-0006OB-Tr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 09:09:54 -0400 Received: from mail-pl1-f173.google.com ([209.85.214.173]:44375) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iECTv-0006Nx-Hk for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 09:09:52 -0400 Received: by mail-pl1-f173.google.com with SMTP id q15so2117925pll.11 for <28182@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 06:09:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Bi1k9ugzICO+lIh7yxHaXQz4aB0+LuIdCBfn4f8n9Ec=; b=G9owOSeANjPtZOeoXNiOAPIktxI5ywpqJmLKoF7nDCsRLwEJpRlY6m/VYK6ClrMF0+ O99hpHTldonO6cM0po1vlhZdWEz+PCUrnwUnI+I+3zfv84w7RzO98bI3VBOCxv0NVpBe SutOZFlPBt0YDJawIsH9X5apdKUHQpC0sNxKee9iBlHSMPA0lFnaoGgT/ZfAZwJuukfh q+w315pKNpm/tECFTeKvhdtVIQQ7DEnHO1Pf8u53BzLMrOd/2e81mC/P9PQIE27Lycqp Z+AWfE3X7MbiUJcZUvCpXZdXmip3ivJk+UIMNON12cmRkn55X4UeT8eXyi2tBR7jUJWi 4lgg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAV8Pwztu049Jh/T0VR8K3FnzyRCWIXdtp7HDpQ++FGoSkaFW7qT tSzw0+ZVfYct00ORyEI1+HwPTLJXMYLXSPHUOA0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzroS1rCVMvvMXmcPcULhfEH6zQPVifbggZt9uiqb70rQ824aEDeqTwsuvM1FM6b4NI2qdCuAvHUrBZ7IaHn1w= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:326:: with SMTP id 35mr10640219pld.128.1569676185920; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 06:09:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <87tva69q12.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87v9uixqew.fsf@mail.linkov.net> In-Reply-To: <87v9uixqew.fsf@mail.linkov.net> From: Stefan Kangas Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 15:09:34 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text To: Juri Linkov Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="00000000000079900b05939cb7ca" X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, Tak Kunihiro , Richard Stallman , Drew Adams , =?UTF-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8IERhbiBKYWNvYnNvbg==?= X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) --00000000000079900b05939cb7ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Juri Linkov writes: > >> Another variant is to add special symbols to > >> the existing customization, e.g.: > >> > >> '(5 ((shift) . 1) ((control) . text-scale) ((meta) . nil)) > >> > >> or even support text-scale step number if needed: > >> > >> '(5 ((shift) . 1) ((control) . (text-scale . 1)) ((meta) . nil)) > > > > I like your idea that this would all be defined in one place. > > > > One nit is that the variable name there is mouse-wheel-scroll-amount, > > and I'm not sure this is the best name for functionality to change the > > font size. If we go ahead with that, perhaps it should be renamed to > > something like mouse-wheel-scroll-modifiers? > > It looks like mouse-wheel-scroll-amount still makes some sense > as using wheel-scrolling to change the amount of font pixels. > Generally it's better to refrain from renaming old customisable > variables when possible. I've attached a tentative patch along those lines. WDYT? I'm not sure exactly how to reformulate the doc string for mouse-wheel-scroll-amount to fit the new behaviour. I'll have to think about it a bit more. Do let me know if you have any ideas. 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helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iED5n-00075D-MQ; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 09:49:00 -0400 Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 16:48:52 +0300 Message-Id: <83lfu8h6pn.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Kangas In-reply-to: (message from Stefan Kangas on Sat, 28 Sep 2019 15:09:34 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <87tva69q12.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87v9uixqew.fsf@mail.linkov.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: homeros.misasa@gmail.com, jidanni@jidanni.org, rms@gnu.org, 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 15:09:34 +0200 > Cc: Tak Kunihiro , Richard Stallman , > 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, > 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson > > I've attached a tentative patch along those lines. WDYT? Any reason to make the new behavior be the default, i.e. break backward compatibility? Why not make this an opt-in feature instead? > I'm not sure exactly how to reformulate the doc string for > mouse-wheel-scroll-amount to fit the new behaviour. I'll have to > think about it a bit more. Do let me know if you have any ideas. I'm not sure we need to change the doc string, but we definitely need to change the :version tag. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Sep 28 10:15:59 2019 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Sep 2019 14:15:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51007 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iEDVv-0008Pk-37 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 10:15:59 -0400 Received: from mail-pl1-f171.google.com ([209.85.214.171]:37425) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iEDVr-0008PT-Hd for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 10:15:56 -0400 Received: by mail-pl1-f171.google.com with SMTP id u20so2174833plq.4 for <28182@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 07:15:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=CgSIS7lrX1TtPboiIcQRX0KpDfLcpYC7pHlRxVkO9gg=; b=ds/N+RBNlnX6ZIGpp/5F8VC8e2zA/LeE5+6+AfJOFWeTX8RB5D94FGvWKLg970/udI Aj/DsjNPsWz3ePo4RehUx78MLNPX17qiksr3xk643POQpeVq7M9zcmBEQPVXS8YgyGNP B3QlYmXZ/w7r9vQFqRt6G1ZFDsUd7GHC8A++hdM7kyc4gKjmIZkXkJBGAseHbyfLDdFk /oKJnDMBj0YXMctPnbK2af0IDFbBhSkuKD814Sd2KBkvpCFNfS4KteIBof4hHwHdlbM5 xn52Dfkunx6fwYcseUrqqwmD8GmVYkqldKNmVQKplhGQORTj4xULvkDgWyuwDFaEs/SE 9PLQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWaKL10nELFSsUQfHf3j0fQeZtQLSjgPm0a7eQqw/IRYWJ1Wjpp 9Ma1wG3oMjXr+Hw2QTj9B3zrvsCadXcIQrIDEHc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwUGBIG2mnk3GiXRikhtUndS85sLAb+aamvpzEGrYWgZve1gj3z1HA5JOEr39e6j4eDB8LE2bRapJAFGoJzDJ0= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:d88f:: with SMTP id b15mr10116444plz.251.1569680149802; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 07:15:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <87tva69q12.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87v9uixqew.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfu8h6pn.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83lfu8h6pn.fsf@gnu.org> From: Stefan Kangas Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 16:15:38 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="000000000000bd946305939da33e" X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: Tak Kunihiro , =?UTF-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8IERhbiBKYWNvYnNvbg==?= , Richard Stallman , 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, Juri Linkov X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) --000000000000bd946305939da33e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Eli Zaretskii writes: > > I've attached a tentative patch along those lines. WDYT? > > Any reason to make the new behavior be the default, i.e. break > backward compatibility? Why not make this an opt-in feature instead? I think it's a better default, since it's more in line with user expectations. The "Ctrl+mouse whell changes font size" behaviour is pretty ubiquitous in browsers, text editors and IDEs. From the top of my head, you can change the font size (sometimes called "zoom") using this shortcut in Firefox, Chrome, Safari, Eclipse, LibreOffice, Adobe Reader, evince, and many, many others. From searching the web, this seems to be the default also in Atom, Sublime Text, TextMate, Notepad++ and IntelliJ. VSCode stands out by making this optional. We could of course make it an opt-in feature should we want to do that. > > I'm not sure exactly how to reformulate the doc string for > > mouse-wheel-scroll-amount to fit the new behaviour. I'll have to > > think about it a bit more. Do let me know if you have any ideas. > > I'm not sure we need to change the doc string, but we definitely need > to change the :version tag. Fixed that in the attached patch. 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2019 21:09:32 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:42787) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iENiH-00075k-64; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 21:09:25 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iENiG-0003VD-4X; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 21:09:24 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Sat, 28 Sep 2019 16:15:38 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <87tva69q12.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87v9uixqew.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfu8h6pn.fsf@gnu.org> Message-Id: Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 21:09:24 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: eliz@gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org, homeros.misasa@gmail.com, 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I think it's a better default, since it's more in line with user > expectations. The "Ctrl+mouse whell changes font size" behaviour is > pretty ubiquitous in browsers, text editors and IDEs. I proposed CTRL +, but you're talking about the mouse wheel. They are not the same: my laptop has no mouse wheel. -- Dr Richard Stallman Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Sep 28 21:40:25 2019 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2019 01:40:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51738 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iEOCH-0004CR-3w for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 21:40:25 -0400 Received: from mail-pg1-f180.google.com ([209.85.215.180]:43569) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iEOCE-0004CA-JY for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 21:40:22 -0400 Received: by mail-pg1-f180.google.com with SMTP id v27so5369872pgk.10 for <28182@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 18:40:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=LE1RdDHKqPbu6yH+CBtEuwS2iveL2PzY/MzG8isqvuw=; b=BAVSFjjCTUoPpjQGaJiqGtK6Gdb2V/TuCYadCadT2Lyfu1AKRQBmRc9wKWfc4CsMUT bKUw3ANqcjG+iL8PXoJ8l9AWJJPvTzedp00KyNB15s9hpTRkQ+PRLuOl5dBSqbK+AZKD 305+DEKGH6QSF70b3UPsQ8mVFyyQK/S9vMzjcv0W4c7ViVVFQbnm0+aypIUCow3GHl64 0FmYlermXD0VXdP0eMNmkgceaftIVRIcUppYb54gya1Mfh8xb+c+oV+d0FWMoarBe/Po FfB12bKtZMy+L0CLEfsuqM5sDHgtVZawoKSHOdRueHA3DT06WUAoTUNX9uU0GMiT6/AH V1LA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUquUVqglbMn94OfKvzauiZYoFD77g0KMU4QXQhaHQF5Amhj44Z IxcRDJidf1OapiNsHXquudW/PpCsXgAEXtBAMl4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqx6DpCy2sV666RzH3SQYqQnry2+0qL2Y3cU9DoGxc6MbDezW/07DZFmlitxjGyTdHRLhrSfrBWDPUBgN9dnOFc= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:cc08:: with SMTP id b8mr18954109pju.119.1569721216897; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 18:40:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <87tva69q12.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87v9uixqew.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfu8h6pn.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: From: Stefan Kangas Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 03:40:05 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text To: Richard Stallman Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , =?UTF-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8IERhbiBKYWNvYnNvbg==?= , Tak Kunihiro , 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, Juri Linkov X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) Richard Stallman writes: > > I think it's a better default, since it's more in line with user > > expectations. The "Ctrl+mouse whell changes font size" behaviour is > > pretty ubiquitous in browsers, text editors and IDEs. > > I proposed CTRL +, but you're talking about the mouse wheel. > They are not the same: my laptop has no mouse wheel. Earlier in this thread, Eli objected to that proposal because it would be backwards incompatible. I don't know the status of that proposal beyond that. Changing the mouse wheel behaviour was raised during the discussion as an alternative. I agreed, and there seemed to be little controversy around it, so I implemented that and sent it here. Sorry if that caused any confusion. I see no conflict between changing the key bindings and changing the mouse wheel behaviour. Best regards, Stefan Kangas From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 29 03:36:31 2019 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2019 07:36:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52119 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iETks-0004Rw-UY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 03:36:31 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:46041) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iETks-0004Rk-2e for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 03:36:30 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:45228) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iETkm-0002BA-AS; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 03:36:24 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3301 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iETke-00085Y-GS; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 03:36:17 -0400 Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 10:36:12 +0300 Message-Id: <83tv8vftar.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Kangas In-reply-to: (message from Stefan Kangas on Sun, 29 Sep 2019 03:40:05 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <87tva69q12.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87v9uixqew.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfu8h6pn.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: homeros.misasa@gmail.com, jidanni@jidanni.org, rms@gnu.org, 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 03:40:05 +0200 > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Tak Kunihiro , > Juri Linkov , 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, > 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson > > Richard Stallman writes: > > > > I think it's a better default, since it's more in line with user > > > expectations. The "Ctrl+mouse whell changes font size" behaviour is > > > pretty ubiquitous in browsers, text editors and IDEs. > > > > I proposed CTRL +, but you're talking about the mouse wheel. > > They are not the same: my laptop has no mouse wheel. > > Earlier in this thread, Eli objected to that proposal because it would > be backwards incompatible. The problem is not with C-+, which is undefined by default. The problem is with C--, which is used for numeric arguments. It makes little sense to me to use C-+ for increasing the font size without also using C-- for decreasing it. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 29 11:34:14 2019 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2019 15:34:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55571 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iEbDC-0001tg-Ey for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:34:14 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38450) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iEbD8-0001tP-Pl for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:34:12 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:50828) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iEbD3-0006Jv-86; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:34:05 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iEbCw-0004BW-HM; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:33:59 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <83tv8vftar.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sun, 29 Sep 2019 10:36:12 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <87tva69q12.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87v9uixqew.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfu8h6pn.fsf@gnu.org> <83tv8vftar.fsf@gnu.org> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:33:58 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: homeros.misasa@gmail.com, jidanni@jidanni.org, stefan@marxist.se, 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > The problem is not with C-+, which is undefined by default. The > problem is with C--, which is used for numeric arguments. It makes > little sense to me to use C-+ for increasing the font size without > also using C-- for decreasing it. I would find C-+ useful even if C-- does numeric arguments. C-- C-+ would shrink the font size. Indeed, that is an easy combination to type. -- Dr Richard Stallman Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 29 11:37:10 2019 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2019 15:37:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55575 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iEbG1-0001xz-Vu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:37:10 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39006) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iEbG0-0001xn-N3 for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:37:09 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:50945) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iEbFv-0002CI-BY; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:37:03 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iEbFt-0004ix-RI; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:37:02 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Sun, 29 Sep 2019 03:40:05 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <87tva69q12.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87v9uixqew.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfu8h6pn.fsf@gnu.org> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:37:01 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: homeros.misasa@gmail.com, jidanni@jidanni.org, 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] I have no objection to implementing a mouse wheel feature, but it doesn't solve my problem. -- Dr Richard Stallman Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 29 11:41:05 2019 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2019 15:41:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55583 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iEbJo-00024F-Vg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:41:05 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39565) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iEbJn-00023e-7n for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:41:03 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:51052) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iEbJh-00086C-MK; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:40:57 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1438 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iEbJW-0005GV-Ad; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:40:46 -0400 Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 18:40:41 +0300 Message-Id: <8336gff6va.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: rms@gnu.org In-reply-to: (message from Richard Stallman on Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:33:58 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <87tva69q12.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87v9uixqew.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfu8h6pn.fsf@gnu.org> <83tv8vftar.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: homeros.misasa@gmail.com, jidanni@jidanni.org, stefan@marxist.se, 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: stefan@marxist.se, homeros.misasa@gmail.com, juri@linkov.net, > 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org > Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:33:58 -0400 > > I would find C-+ useful even if C-- does numeric arguments. > C-- C-+ would shrink the font size. Indeed, that is an easy > combination to type. It isn't so easy on my keyboard, where C-+ requires to press Shift. Also, this is not what other applications out there provide for this purpose, they provide C-mouse-wheel. We already have "C-x C-+" (actually, "C-x C-=", as pressing Shift is unnecessary) and its counterpart "C-x C--", which are easy enough and don't get in the way of other bindings. How many different bindings do we need to have for such an infrequent command? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 29 11:44:43 2019 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2019 15:44:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55596 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iEbNL-0002AJ-Az for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:44:43 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:40060) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iEbNJ-0002A3-9v for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:44:42 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:51143) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iEbND-00052d-UQ; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:44:35 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1664 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iEbN5-0005Yl-1E; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:44:27 -0400 Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 18:44:23 +0300 Message-Id: <83zhinds4o.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: rms@gnu.org In-reply-to: (message from Richard Stallman on Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:37:01 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <87tva69q12.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87v9uixqew.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfu8h6pn.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: homeros.misasa@gmail.com, jidanni@jidanni.org, stefan@marxist.se, 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Richard Stallman > Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:37:01 -0400 > Cc: homeros.misasa@gmail.com, juri@linkov.net, 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, > jidanni@jidanni.org > > I have no objection to implementing a mouse wheel feature, > but it doesn't solve my problem. Please tell what is your problem, and why "C-x C-+" doesn't solve it? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 29 19:36:14 2019 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2019 23:36:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56146 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iEije-0000rl-B8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 19:36:14 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35517) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iEijc-0000rO-Pa for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 19:36:13 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:57208) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iEijX-00047K-5V; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 19:36:07 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iEijW-0008QM-4i; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 19:36:06 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <83zhinds4o.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sun, 29 Sep 2019 18:44:23 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <87tva69q12.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87v9uixqew.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfu8h6pn.fsf@gnu.org> <83zhinds4o.fsf@gnu.org> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 19:36:06 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: homeros.misasa@gmail.com, jidanni@jidanni.org, stefan@marxist.se, 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Please tell what is your problem, and why "C-x C-+" doesn't solve it? Does C-x C-+ increase the font size? I didn't know that. I thought of trying C-+ because that is what other graphical applications use. -- Dr Richard Stallman Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 29 23:52:48 2019 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Sep 2019 03:52:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56453 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iEmjv-00057S-Pc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 23:52:47 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:41898) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iEmju-00057H-7a for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 23:52:46 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iEmjm-0002DX-Fi; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 05:52:41 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Richard Stallman Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <87tva69q12.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87v9uixqew.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfu8h6pn.fsf@gnu.org> <83zhinds4o.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 05:52:38 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sun, 29 Sep 2019 19:36:06 -0400") Message-ID: <877e5qa1a1.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Richard Stallman writes: > > Please tell what is your problem, and why "C-x C-+" doesn't solve it? > > Does C-x C-+ increase the font size? I didn't know that. I thought of > trying C-+ because that is what other graphical ap [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: stefan@marxist.se, jidanni@jidanni.org, homeros.misasa@gmail.com, 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , juri@linkov.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Richard Stallman writes: > > Please tell what is your problem, and why "C-x C-+" doesn't solve it? > > Does C-x C-+ increase the font size? I didn't know that. I thought of > trying C-+ because that is what other graphical applications use. It's a bit unusual, but it was presumably chosen because `C--' was already taken, so the natural pair became `C-x C--' and `C-x C-+'. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 30 02:16:37 2019 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Sep 2019 06:16:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56617 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iEoz6-0004kF-CS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 02:16:37 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:54979) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iEoz3-0004d9-B3 for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 02:16:33 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:33561) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iEoyx-00023g-IH; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 02:16:27 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3571 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iEoyq-0000zt-Bb; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 02:16:20 -0400 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 09:16:16 +0300 Message-Id: <83impae2bz.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: rms@gnu.org In-reply-to: (message from Richard Stallman on Sun, 29 Sep 2019 19:36:06 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <87tva69q12.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87v9uixqew.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfu8h6pn.fsf@gnu.org> <83zhinds4o.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: homeros.misasa@gmail.com, jidanni@jidanni.org, stefan@marxist.se, 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: homeros.misasa@gmail.com, juri@linkov.net, stefan@marxist.se, > 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org > Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 19:36:06 -0400 > > > Please tell what is your problem, and why "C-x C-+" doesn't solve it? > > Does C-x C-+ increase the font size? Yes. And "C-x C--" decreases it. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 30 05:02:12 2019 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Sep 2019 09:02:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56937 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iErZL-0005gu-Nu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 05:02:11 -0400 Received: from mail-ed1-f49.google.com ([209.85.208.49]:45884) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iErZJ-0005gg-Cr for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 05:02:10 -0400 Received: by mail-ed1-f49.google.com with SMTP id h33so7868842edh.12 for <28182@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 02:02:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:mail-copies-to:gmane-reply-to-list :date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version; bh=Ba118l9kcRg+HKz5RMO0B63O8UBT1Vm9m5/VuQenwJk=; b=L+KCBo0UvUQp/pcbwEhX4qnrEW/us1NrZhnn4ab/C/Mx1bnjxpO1l6Qt35WaC0WaFN Esl5/mCRT6NIAiswkatFnJE5hG23YfTtrVxPj+kmyC2KNEzPKfpaQ7RZ8Uva11qz2V7+ UURK6L2NVBd4K+BeDfCzDY8no7Nj3P1XPToWkh+rEMRvcYDl4cCHYpYrEBDMiUSz0bel vjlMcDyGYZnqN77FAi8y/qBGLc1TyoL5CBrpEpOcm//bc9FqsodyTf38hkC8WKPUGujc iqYXj82z86USJ9TFJFWCxbKeZykzbikV5wWJBNg6NkYaWj6iFyef5hiMZPvjch/n3Jft KMdA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:mail-copies-to :gmane-reply-to-list:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version; bh=Ba118l9kcRg+HKz5RMO0B63O8UBT1Vm9m5/VuQenwJk=; b=n2T+8obYvl67GBWwEZjoL9p7lGnthzZ0Zs6Gvjk+2mSUlXUAyodSwhyf1jME5DuRUU MrRFjj7qBOGGeKD+PvgEwB6kQfsaVMzod/cs4YEhqGnNQVDXD816HZqjF0PWuYxQQlHb nSma76eafSCymhSITTkzYeC1Kd10Je9vq6DVwTI4r9GDLEzjodbDwYYTQrZokuf1gGVR DSBPkdR2kKsIICUTbI4ourx75ofUtIEUP/aze+B2H7wCFwPMZTPa/RHjRnPtEkIW6W35 wkNpfTqr03vZrp4fuapgtr5JeqKL0fIQv1zuLGrCVPI997RD9o0UA5GuqN7b55sZN+Zz 09wA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUUhuZHQHC/0tPy4L9D1q9R1PZgknwvzx+kwLtXzyRnDozrrY/S rW8i0HNRN0sWNxN4RLN3sHs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwSLWRl5UtspU+cjVZHolAcXS00MW6YUPd1iBbXrChLybMBp4ICQHrS96VphFSmNsQkTAhgqQ== X-Received: by 2002:a50:d090:: with SMTP id v16mr18474719edd.176.1569834123307; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 02:02:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rpluim-mac ([149.5.228.1]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u27sm2338247edb.48.2019.09.30.02.02.01 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 30 Sep 2019 02:02:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Pluim To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <87tva69q12.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87v9uixqew.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfu8h6pn.fsf@gnu.org> <83zhinds4o.fsf@gnu.org> <83impae2bz.fsf@gnu.org> X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes Mail-Copies-To: never Gmane-Reply-To-List: yes Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 11:02:00 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83impae2bz.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 30 Sep 2019 09:16:16 +0300") Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: rms@gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se, jidanni@jidanni.org, homeros.misasa@gmail.com, 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 09:16:16 +0300, Eli Zaretskii said: >> From: Richard Stallman >> Cc: homeros.misasa@gmail.com, juri@linkov.net, stefan@marxist.se, >> 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org >> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 19:36:06 -0400 >> >> > Please tell what is your problem, and why "C-x C-+" doesn't solve it? >> >> Does C-x C-+ increase the font size? Eli> Yes. And "C-x C--" decreases it. Whoever implemented this originally went a bit far, I think: C-x C-= runs the command text-scale-adjust (found in global-map), which is an autoloaded interactive compiled Lisp function in `face-remap.el'. It is bound to s-0, s-=, s-+, s--, C-x C-0, C-x C-=, C-x C--, C-x C-+. Are those s- bindings really necessary? Hey, I have a usable super key! :-) Robert From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 30 05:16:55 2019 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Sep 2019 09:16:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56947 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iErna-00061V-Mc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 05:16:54 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50097) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iErnW-00061H-W9 for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 05:16:53 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:35965) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iErnR-0006hQ-IJ; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 05:16:45 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2821 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iErnK-0003IN-C9; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 05:16:38 -0400 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 12:16:36 +0300 Message-Id: <83impacfez.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Robert Pluim In-reply-to: (message from Robert Pluim on Mon, 30 Sep 2019 11:02:00 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <87tva69q12.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87v9uixqew.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfu8h6pn.fsf@gnu.org> <83zhinds4o.fsf@gnu.org> <83impae2bz.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: rms@gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se, jidanni@jidanni.org, homeros.misasa@gmail.com, 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Robert Pluim > Cc: rms@gnu.org, homeros.misasa@gmail.com, juri@linkov.net, > stefan@marxist.se, 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org > Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 11:02:00 +0200 > > It is bound to s-0, s-=, s-+, s--, C-x C-0, C-x C-=, C-x C--, C-x C-+. > > Are those s- bindings really necessary? I don't know, but we've survived that this far, didn't we? (I'm guessing s-+ etc. was an attempt to have the simplicity of C-+ the other apps have.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 30 10:57:54 2019 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Sep 2019 14:57:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60139 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iEx7Z-0004Es-Qo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 10:57:54 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:48628) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iEx7Y-0004Ef-FR for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 10:57:52 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:40771) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iEx7S-0007YJ-Fy; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 10:57:46 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iEx7Q-00036l-I8; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 10:57:44 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <83impae2bz.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Mon, 30 Sep 2019 09:16:16 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <87tva69q12.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87v9uixqew.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfu8h6pn.fsf@gnu.org> <83zhinds4o.fsf@gnu.org> <83impae2bz.fsf@gnu.org> Message-Id: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 10:57:44 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: homeros.misasa@gmail.com, jidanni@jidanni.org, stefan@marxist.se, 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > Please tell what is your problem, and why "C-x C-+" doesn't solve it? > > > > Does C-x C-+ increase the font size? > Yes. And "C-x C--" decreases it. It would be better to make C-+ do it also since people used to other applications will try that. -- Dr Richard Stallman Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 02 16:17:54 2019 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Oct 2019 20:17:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38402 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iFl4I-0007x7-Ps for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 02 Oct 2019 16:17:54 -0400 Received: from mail-wm1-f46.google.com ([209.85.128.46]:36039) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iFl4G-0007wu-Sa for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 02 Oct 2019 16:17:49 -0400 Received: by mail-wm1-f46.google.com with SMTP id m18so249844wmc.1 for <28182@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 02 Oct 2019 13:17:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=xBHDX5KnOslwoASlPpFlvjRpOoQ3avPu73QIiLt5FkA=; b=lJ859+v71xKx+6w8VyuGvHftyFqtTEx/clMwYj894LTYYwFANcHPCs7rQcSXJUJMfX QqslCkS2N/FqEUcNQC9iQLsUDF68aKamHu0A1KGskewDEMLdXs+vXYs74XlwcdSyuN3o Yin3Jv38RMS5uMun9YEf1NXbnYmQCoyq/cqnsGBp0Wi7efiI9qIHauD4yvsM/4E7kShM asixcntFWlE5+7c29qage6T25nwtQULrxFYrv49UX+LLSqZe+tWjy2cQMiR9GHxT3Q+C B85UsRux52PkLvZmldQM77sxvilw3wPG+b6K4AQs+p+rlsU7dbNgSTu0Bbhc7Y1UcMIv h2eQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id :references:mime-version:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=xBHDX5KnOslwoASlPpFlvjRpOoQ3avPu73QIiLt5FkA=; b=Kk22mMKRuzbVP4aOGPfAMIKlxTSDsY8k18ulZ/H9vsTUJyHvT9cWsrGr5bijhjiNZX y0Np3Otott+v2N56+6Fj3lWReVIEDSEKq2RzMtELsVOKX7DrNC/eGpdaYR3j/LlUMCsR zZ2MQvXezbSnrnG4N7cLLFnc6mvRDcEt4sowcAGV784P9zLyhXSLIlV9S6eDBM/JMYoB OHyS+6DQkaEc6IRx5baveQrf90oAEU3tKgJMIcZItslaXdiyofoIZtJLT4HGWQ3XbzhB g5P7kLegm2QFixIQNeo+TpqMUAdlkt5KXgvxXBCGQ/W0qIcZZZeCwB2824Ofp25tvvlf o8Lw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAX5hiEFJ1ol4wddOTUfIzktC5GfCmI5LjyA4KsOr9QN/CrvtndA XBpqRoP0PnMDEuwdlUtlRDw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxDEtSIEHdHafmrhUWKRojeAyQJPx10Tv6JRhHEwl8XvUybURGsPBF3TEbhTrbVVfzVWSIWpg== X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:2308:: with SMTP id 8mr4453297wmo.67.1570047462877; Wed, 02 Oct 2019 13:17:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from breton.holly.idiocy.org (ip6-2001-08b0-03f8-8129-7960-23b5-f51c-8b5a.holly.idiocy.org. [2001:8b0:3f8:8129:7960:23b5:f51c:8b5a]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 90sm726941wrr.1.2019.10.02.13.17.41 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 02 Oct 2019 13:17:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 21:17:38 +0100 From: Alan Third To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text Message-ID: <20191002201738.GB62011@breton.holly.idiocy.org> References: <83lfu8h6pn.fsf@gnu.org> <83zhinds4o.fsf@gnu.org> <83impae2bz.fsf@gnu.org> <83impacfez.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <83impacfez.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.0 (2019-05-25) X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: rms@gnu.org, Robert Pluim , stefan@marxist.se, juri@linkov.net, homeros.misasa@gmail.com, 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 12:16:36PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Robert Pluim > > Cc: rms@gnu.org, homeros.misasa@gmail.com, juri@linkov.net, > > stefan@marxist.se, 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org > > Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 11:02:00 +0200 > > > > It is bound to s-0, s-=, s-+, s--, C-x C-0, C-x C-=, C-x C--, C-x C-+. > > > > Are those s- bindings really necessary? > > I don't know, but we've survived that this far, didn't we? > > (I'm guessing s-+ etc. was an attempt to have the simplicity of C-+ > the other apps have.) I think Robert uses the NS port, and those super bindings were added for compatibility with other *step applications. Quite recently, actually: they’re not in Emacs 26. -- Alan Third From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 05 19:56:48 2019 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Oct 2019 23:56:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45344 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iGtup-0006vN-Ms for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Oct 2019 19:56:47 -0400 Received: from mail-pf1-f182.google.com ([209.85.210.182]:35744) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iGtuo-0006vA-Dm for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Oct 2019 19:56:46 -0400 Received: by mail-pf1-f182.google.com with SMTP id 205so6175368pfw.2 for <28182@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 05 Oct 2019 16:56:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=DI8uCVmWmWO0LWu5FEi3QzcH80dbIhqqRvWG++GOWkY=; b=lFmgS/F/UV5m1JmZao6zC17SpOg0o1jvJYrNb8MAAecTT99V/szU5a1RYc1kb0+m9m z5thp4p3lSUntDT8HYFkMqBD0AX7wF7lZ8LWc58IM2YOzsxOtx4pLY/a8MtbIadf4ADS o1xx95X10MHf8yqtC89+jwKaxwjHUVamvlkfX98T/hpyxXTPpJ6OQ7PZ80AU3gJDbF+s tCbB/zyRSgcZpbQLwwDTBhYuK98+zYucajESbxiHM1ibQ82e/kpLN4muMhUnkQkClF9f ienF9SP0H5Tk96yHFFVYxJ3vfD9RjocdcUR/2zprdhmzWBP04+bFQU8kiWj8PBRttJKY m5Gg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWe8tMG4IoObZts0kFACrEAUxo1xMYmbNXhXhoolJ/oiFReJ8MA gE4Qq3OAkl3UbwZdqU67Rb1GIqp6cnvq4rhBW0A= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxlJPzksQLKWbbYezawjMUzoO2zpS+BX41PCRaynskL9XcPF6qI5uP75TMedYBTbvgV90vjXmUE33PVAWIUGyE= X-Received: by 2002:a62:e917:: with SMTP id j23mr25164620pfh.50.1570319800494; Sat, 05 Oct 2019 16:56:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <87tva69q12.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87v9uixqew.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfu8h6pn.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: From: Stefan Kangas Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 01:56:28 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: Tak Kunihiro , =?UTF-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8IERhbiBKYWNvYnNvbg==?= , Richard Stallman , 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, Juri Linkov X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Stefan Kangas writes: > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > > I've attached a tentative patch along those lines. WDYT? > > > > Any reason to make the new behavior be the default, i.e. break > > backward compatibility? Why not make this an opt-in feature instead? > > I think it's a better default, since it's more in line with user > expectations. The "Ctrl+mouse whell changes font size" behaviour is > pretty ubiquitous in browsers, text editors and IDEs. From the top of > my head, you can change the font size (sometimes called "zoom") using > this shortcut in Firefox, Chrome, Safari, Eclipse, LibreOffice, Adobe > Reader, evince, and many, many others. From searching the web, this > seems to be the default also in Atom, Sublime Text, TextMate, > Notepad++ and IntelliJ. VSCode stands out by making this optional. > > We could of course make it an opt-in feature should we want to do that. > > > > I'm not sure exactly how to reformulate the doc string for > > > mouse-wheel-scroll-amount to fit the new behaviour. I'll have to > > > think about it a bit more. Do let me know if you have any ideas. > > > > I'm not sure we need to change the doc string, but we definitely need > > to change the :version tag. > > Fixed that in the attached patch. I don't feel comfortable pushing this without an explicit go-ahead. What do you think? Thanks in advance. Best regards, Stefan Kangas From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Oct 06 13:29:13 2019 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Oct 2019 17:29:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46784 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iHALJ-00080H-Kb for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Oct 2019 13:29:13 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:57330) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iHALH-000801-Ru for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Oct 2019 13:29:12 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:60459) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iHALC-0006M1-2m; Sun, 06 Oct 2019 13:29:06 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1535 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iHAL3-0000yY-PH; Sun, 06 Oct 2019 13:28:59 -0400 Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2019 20:28:45 +0300 Message-Id: <83blut3hrm.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Kangas In-reply-to: (message from Stefan Kangas on Sun, 6 Oct 2019 01:56:28 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <87tva69q12.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87v9uixqew.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfu8h6pn.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: homeros.misasa@gmail.com, jidanni@jidanni.org, rms@gnu.org, 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 01:56:28 +0200 > Cc: Juri Linkov , Tak Kunihiro , > Richard Stallman , 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, > 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson > > > Fixed that in the attached patch. > > I don't feel comfortable pushing this without an explicit go-ahead. Please go ahead, and thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Oct 06 16:00:05 2019 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Oct 2019 20:00:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46922 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iHChJ-0003lu-7m for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Oct 2019 16:00:05 -0400 Received: from mail-pl1-f177.google.com ([209.85.214.177]:36221) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iHChH-0003ku-Uz for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Oct 2019 16:00:04 -0400 Received: by mail-pl1-f177.google.com with SMTP id j11so5825980plk.3 for <28182@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 06 Oct 2019 13:00:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=1ewX83g834cVIB0UM5k3GZi2sPp4CeoDjNbUYwKCEFw=; b=EZ2IjF/g+lTSF/8Mi2vaveOVVAmW4hZaIJBPTHWqhrx1TNQUyRMEq0qjEzvwkgwbov ovc9tiSEbsGJIPS3qLQckjBGtjlTE/VVqnxXHU/xV1RfkNgCRRsD/qhqGqOAIMhHsrcm eBhIfSIIBodt4dfW3bvVuik9MhruLDvaMbLqE1SGfWEB4lbcqjssjhYRdJt8BH5RsRF4 sCQO6XSz1F8ir7wrpUiPegyBiRR/RaZlXlQb29R9Aq0lZbbpZNG46dvNHul6A1iNsvUq hy4GzNzrJc9JHSjZmMYppx3nc432166xUH+9qvzED3GGBfJg/4rTLwfECEISwMKV074Z FpUQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAW8QXGz5lQLFKDtrPczENrncP2WDtcrpOVRv5Dl0gUB7IPbGT8G W6k7+0EnKmxKk2ZQkuUKd2CeswBvqu2LxXTXuQA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxfgSKXSWdGIzegFzyItGJqJrkKVx9Y3P5HcOHiKuRK/9qDNPNkXQQ997tPZobTk+VHuPFvAQ/pRb7f/ZAflFs= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:326:: with SMTP id 35mr26789210pld.128.1570391998102; Sun, 06 Oct 2019 12:59:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <87tva69q12.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87v9uixqew.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfu8h6pn.fsf@gnu.org> <83blut3hrm.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83blut3hrm.fsf@gnu.org> From: Stefan Kangas Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 21:59:46 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: Tak Kunihiro , =?UTF-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8IERhbiBKYWNvYnNvbg==?= , Richard Stallman , 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, Juri Linkov X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: > > I don't feel comfortable pushing this without an explicit go-ahead. > > Please go ahead, and thanks. Thank you, Eli. I've now pushed this to master as commit dc8108e109. 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[64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.3); Mon, 07 Oct 2019 19:02:00 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Zesty-Cure: 1eaeb1cc1c556eab_1570474920438_1786528486 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1570474920438:1449656694 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1570474920438 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a42.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a42.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA93681C62; Mon, 7 Oct 2019 12:01:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=linkov.net; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=linkov.net; bh=oU8FPbr7h6IotOT4fc1CYgwKMzs=; b= IVFVEMcmKp4IqTsXOQThTeqiQXE3KPB5Ygc6X2bIkMlwJ/RirYMx5ETS+YFoLNvx HC9+Tan6Z27+GlKNiPcb8u2fV5g85SV1pMRy5lQil8E85shr4pCDOLkY5uSLo/JM g3/wOU6P2syVLvRQbOD/MbUrNvhI9arSxRyY4YElCZM= Received: from mail.jurta.org (m91-129-99-99.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.99.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jurta@jurta.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a42.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9DE0681C66; Mon, 7 Oct 2019 12:01:51 -0700 (PDT) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a42 From: Juri Linkov To: Stefan Kangas Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <87tva69q12.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87v9uixqew.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfu8h6pn.fsf@gnu.org> <83blut3hrm.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2019 21:22:35 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Sun, 6 Oct 2019 21:59:46 +0200") Message-ID: <8736g4zh6k.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrheejgdduvddtucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujfgurhephffvufhfffgjkfgfgggtsehttdertddtredtnecuhfhrohhmpefluhhrihcunfhinhhkohhvuceojhhurhhisehlihhnkhhovhdrnhgvtheqnecukfhppeeluddruddvledrleelrdelleenucfrrghrrghmpehmohguvgepshhmthhppdhhvghlohepmhgrihhlrdhjuhhrthgrrdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepledurdduvdelrdelledrleelpdhrvghtuhhrnhdqphgrthhhpefluhhrihcunfhinhhkohhvuceojhhurhhisehlihhnkhhovhdrnhgvtheqpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepjhhurhhisehlihhnkhhovhdrnhgvthdpnhhrtghpthhtohepshhtvghfrghnsehmrghrgihishhtrdhsvgenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Tak Kunihiro , Richard Stallman , =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > I've now pushed this to master as commit dc8108e109. Thank you. While trying your change for bug#28194, I noticed one edge case, but I'm not sure if this is something that needs to be fixed. Here is a recipe: With at least two windows on the same frame: 1. Scroll mouse without Ctrl key in the selected window, it scrolls the buffer in the selected window; 2. Scroll mouse without Ctrl key in the non-selected window, it scrolls the buffer in the non-selected window; 3. Scroll mouse with Ctrl key in the selected window, it changes text scale in the selected window; 4. Scroll mouse with Ctrl key in the non-selected window, it DOESN'T change text scale in the non-selected window, instead it changes text scale in the selected window. What is expected is that mouse scrolling in the non-selected window will affect the non-selected window. Does this need to be changed? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Oct 08 10:57:00 2019 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Oct 2019 14:57:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51204 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iHqv6-0002LH-40 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Oct 2019 10:57:00 -0400 Received: from mail-pl1-f174.google.com ([209.85.214.174]:41250) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iHqv3-0002L1-Gr for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Oct 2019 10:56:57 -0400 Received: by mail-pl1-f174.google.com with SMTP id t10so8560336plr.8 for <28182@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 08 Oct 2019 07:56:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=SA50/z1tcBnf3qwu1CuAUm/LuRQO+BKbDd1/Ad17vKA=; b=ejW7vZx2MEfjR9Zwpb20NjLOD1I3ZiFwShypAq8eWa4mbEj4TGRmFa2kJkw5zwUUil 321MvDg6CbDgrYiclOOwm1duGvTzY2mYf8DBWhR5exJcCB/1H5zFQ9E8izCLRUtSlgrw ARk+IHZMZh4cCfOLCnCFGuMseaXE1V7jnlSvzKstkndj2cf+x3I2jiendCZObNu8cLXh fP0Ko/suwrWgN+qcUSXTIeA11/aLmz88YqHWqO3u3RYpS5TVvChuzDE2RIWjBE58z9Ep nBmDRV0yQJAxCKAhE5i40JykRC1gZ6HjuejyZ7XAuxUsickL2LqNtgpgK8wrUOmNynaU j7PA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXt8VkhcLruGLLn2cvwQARYBHUL9ZBVyRqMOnuD67jDz49mUoqV yph6Nt3DlzB/TRdNXrXGrkYEJAsPAW16eU23iqk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzjh3zQiZT0GeqCwZX4z9QiRnNb9Mxaicp4uwhgzHm99qtZv8sbmlZ0Bs+5j5AYo1KK5VXvI8YO6jFxoSO6jd0= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:a515:: with SMTP id s21mr36802812plq.259.1570546611602; Tue, 08 Oct 2019 07:56:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <87tva69q12.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87v9uixqew.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfu8h6pn.fsf@gnu.org> <83blut3hrm.fsf@gnu.org> <8736g4zh6k.fsf@mail.linkov.net> In-Reply-To: <8736g4zh6k.fsf@mail.linkov.net> From: Stefan Kangas Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 16:56:39 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text To: Juri Linkov Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Tak Kunihiro , Richard Stallman , =?UTF-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8IERhbiBKYWNvYnNvbg==?= X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Juri Linkov writes: > What is expected is that mouse scrolling in the non-selected window > will affect the non-selected window. Does this need to be changed? I'm not sure, but I think I agree with you that it should be changed. Perhaps we could try it and see if it feels better? Best regards, Stefan Kangas From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Oct 08 17:58:29 2019 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Oct 2019 21:58:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51643 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iHxUy-0002B2-TH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Oct 2019 17:58:29 -0400 Received: from mail-pf1-f181.google.com ([209.85.210.181]:35659) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iHxUw-0002An-Rm for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Oct 2019 17:58:27 -0400 Received: by mail-pf1-f181.google.com with SMTP id 205so212051pfw.2 for <28182@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 08 Oct 2019 14:58:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=UatMluHGLD/Waj82wS6DQpK9iH/2unYBpjfkpbUgI1s=; b=Jme5vjIYAOdea9Q4elDIpm8h201W4HMmIzqul7nEprFQ7krwwAmNcYsALW2c//UmDp 1Fa11giJG456OmkUs5iG65Ys+nwy+qEQkbiOebvfSQafU8kWSIQ4bxYjomub5dtwyJHf Kw/iyJt/54XewCnO9miQvAIarqpxje+uOBJMZZpyjYWyr0+NZs+H1x5TWXydFyTeamRw rwCmGN2hGLOota/qlJkcqzIFA0y/PYTKlhgrQAA80ssYhpOHNBZibM5V1XqsqbbQgZE/ CwKIje0TVO4gCoFppqCnkf0J1mYp8cKSg+BLPcxDA4CWMWTd7aHWOkHBR6+wgOC9UUi/ CcRw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXjcIvbtZCkvDqShowQLbEyIwtL7LwSCa5+7UA6l3VxuWrQtb0c ls7ohs4lcL6GvJJHwCLvVAnHs/RpgJ37HtF70Cc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwIAMwR8n+bKQVViM3nVSONhXcQym/K+Tvts6NWRkWNEIRVrSqLaiJEeUdU54p6/7QjQEy53ivKN2yEX0EoBG8= X-Received: by 2002:a62:8305:: with SMTP id h5mr134274pfe.190.1570571900992; Tue, 08 Oct 2019 14:58:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <87tva69q12.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87v9uixqew.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfu8h6pn.fsf@gnu.org> <83blut3hrm.fsf@gnu.org> <8736g4zh6k.fsf@mail.linkov.net> In-Reply-To: From: Stefan Kangas Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 23:58:09 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text To: Juri Linkov Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="00000000000040e4a805946d4474" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Tak Kunihiro , Richard Stallman , =?UTF-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8IERhbiBKYWNvYnNvbg==?= X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --00000000000040e4a805946d4474 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Stefan Kangas writes: > > What is expected is that mouse scrolling in the non-selected window > > will affect the non-selected window. Does this need to be changed? > > I'm not sure, but I think I agree with you that it should be changed. > Perhaps we could try it and see if it feels better? It turns out there is already a defcustom 'mouse-wheel-follows-mouse' that controls this behaviour when scrolling. If non-nil (the default) it will scroll the window that the mouse pointer is over, otherwise the one where point is. So the job is not that hard: we should just do what the user wants. The attached patch makes changing font size respect that option. What do you think? 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MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: homeros.misasa@gmail.com, jidanni@jidanni.org, rms@gnu.org, 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 23:58:09 +0200 > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Tak Kunihiro , > 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson , > Richard Stallman , 28182@debbugs.gnu.org > > It turns out there is already a defcustom 'mouse-wheel-follows-mouse' > that controls this behaviour when scrolling. If non-nil (the default) > it will scroll the window that the mouse pointer is over, otherwise > the one where point is. So the job is not that hard: we should just > do what the user wants. > > The attached patch makes changing font size respect that option. What > do you think? Please don't forget mentioning this in NEWS (and in the manual, if applicable). Thanks. 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[64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.5); Wed, 09 Oct 2019 20:58:35 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Company-Trade: 3e30901d66253b10_1570654715353_4212870468 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1570654715353:3653896057 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1570654715353 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a88.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a88.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A99981384; Wed, 9 Oct 2019 13:58:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=linkov.net; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=linkov.net; bh=qqYcdS6ZNWYHH5m8Roc2qgc4TEM=; b= LCxRoXEaDJ8iMOHMzxFJI3xPp5RT7eLqERZo51/ExD3/p3kOZlS7Gmpd3qXnrW9y VjjkvG4vR6tVmb6KagVL6ktt0bsMUQkzM35+F+ScTDUlOMsWQM1dGiCA10MlQAhB NCjD5f1a+K2PZ2kRaLijNY6QJhNJx7IwK8KJN4MsGmI= Received: from mail.jurta.org (m91-129-99-99.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.99.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jurta@jurta.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a88.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 43CE881383; Wed, 9 Oct 2019 13:58:28 -0700 (PDT) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a88 From: Juri Linkov To: Stefan Kangas Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <87tva69q12.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87v9uixqew.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfu8h6pn.fsf@gnu.org> <83blut3hrm.fsf@gnu.org> <8736g4zh6k.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2019 23:54:28 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Tue, 8 Oct 2019 23:58:09 +0200") Message-ID: <87eezlg017.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedriedugddufeegucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujfgurhephffvufhofhffjgfkfgggtgesthdtredttdertdenucfhrhhomheplfhurhhiucfnihhnkhhovhcuoehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtqeenucfkphepledurdduvdelrdelledrleelnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehmrghilhdrjhhurhhtrgdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpeeluddruddvledrleelrdelledprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheplfhurhhiucfnihhnkhhovhcuoehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtpdhnrhgtphhtthhopehsthgvfhgrnhesmhgrrhigihhsthdrshgvnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgepud X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Tak Kunihiro , Richard Stallman , =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >> > What is expected is that mouse scrolling in the non-selected window >> > will affect the non-selected window. Does this need to be changed? >> >> I'm not sure, but I think I agree with you that it should be changed. >> Perhaps we could try it and see if it feels better? > > It turns out there is already a defcustom 'mouse-wheel-follows-mouse' > that controls this behaviour when scrolling. If non-nil (the default) > it will scroll the window that the mouse pointer is over, otherwise > the one where point is. So the job is not that hard: we should just > do what the user wants. Thanks for finding mouse-wheel-follow-mouse, I didn't know about it. > The attached patch makes changing font size respect that option. What > do you think? Your refactoring makes code more nice, thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 09 17:56:43 2019 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Oct 2019 21:56:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54311 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iIJwp-0003MM-3d for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2019 17:56:43 -0400 Received: from mail-pf1-f179.google.com ([209.85.210.179]:43909) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iIJwm-0003M7-T6 for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2019 17:56:41 -0400 Received: by mail-pf1-f179.google.com with SMTP id a2so2492710pfo.10 for <28182@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 09 Oct 2019 14:56:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=hjL45BRbqwF+GJhDmFzr//YWpEMEopS8DvitYsfJNiU=; b=Gd3yIHWNAarE4d3j7aoSSr5BHyl22hQxf8lZ8pu/bLbtYwURym01GPUp/Sr7vNjoiI R9glqFlHc9vvqubo1ROwq6b2BRiwpqDmtSSv9bqFaeXmIxZgtnedIidQbRppVzPD9BSq Lq5qElyhfogbGmg/GY2bpehGO9Cfa9bui7YBfuNR2zrr/X5pYbhI7PfrxTQ9ostJbOpE kPUqlJVEBK6IDJuyXcgs9usBRmDNfca0GaCPqlo7v81kvR0mcsyTaeTwVtt7Gj28E44X 95QKKDIf+TE0xRGaAlZ/M0Q9pkYMBK+J2Y2ae9Dd+vNkJgRdQ19B0fMEmBTqc3QNavEV h7xA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXL5cpLNWeHoVlvuRaP33/Gc54GtbEgAAyNLShuAJRf/R/gAxB1 vGuHrZ7hudeJfnhSqIBvTOE0NOtSHrU2BjE7Ok0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxcUZ27JREUfpWPXd906vJio2oUNb3piZMfjS85Gxsw810gq0/wR1d55we5AcC1QGzLxYHlb6KvKXBJoT4pXR0= X-Received: by 2002:a63:4046:: with SMTP id n67mr6227388pga.200.1570658194908; Wed, 09 Oct 2019 14:56:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <87tva69q12.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87v9uixqew.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfu8h6pn.fsf@gnu.org> <83blut3hrm.fsf@gnu.org> <8736g4zh6k.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83mueawiwi.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83mueawiwi.fsf@gnu.org> From: Stefan Kangas Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 23:56:22 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="000000000000c5aefa0594815b9d" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: Tak Kunihiro , =?UTF-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8IERhbiBKYWNvYnNvbg==?= , Richard Stallman , 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, Juri Linkov X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --000000000000c5aefa0594815b9d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Eli Zaretskii writes: > Please don't forget mentioning this in NEWS (and in the manual, if > applicable). Thanks. Is something like the attached okay? I'm not sure exactly what you had in mind, since this mostly preserves previous behaviour also for changing the font size. (I checked the manual, but it is fine as is, IMO.) 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Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54984 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iISrB-0006sm-4A for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 03:27:31 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41758) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iISr7-0006sZ-PE for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 03:27:27 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:34316) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iISr1-0000QD-RB; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 03:27:19 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3327 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iISqt-0004DV-Iz; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 03:27:12 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 10:26:56 +0300 Message-Id: <83a7a9t60v.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Kangas In-reply-to: (message from Stefan Kangas on Wed, 9 Oct 2019 23:56:22 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <87tva69q12.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87v9uixqew.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfu8h6pn.fsf@gnu.org> <83blut3hrm.fsf@gnu.org> <8736g4zh6k.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83mueawiwi.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: homeros.misasa@gmail.com, jidanni@jidanni.org, rms@gnu.org, 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 23:56:22 +0200 > Cc: Juri Linkov , Tak Kunihiro , > 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson , > Richard Stallman , 28182@debbugs.gnu.org > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Please don't forget mentioning this in NEWS (and in the manual, if > > applicable). > > Thanks. Is something like the attached okay? I'm not sure exactly > what you had in mind, since this mostly preserves previous behaviour > also for changing the font size. What I had in mind was to say that this option now _also_ controls the font size-changing mouse gestures. I think the text you wrote is OK, thanks. 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Stefan> Thanks. Is something like the attached okay? I'm not sure exa= ctly Stefan> what you had in mind, since this mostly preserves previous beha= viour Stefan> also for changing the font size. Stefan> (I checked the manual, but it is fine as is, IMO.) I took a look at the manual, it says: Some mice have a =E2=80=9Cwheel=E2=80=9D which can be used for scrol= ling. Emacs supports scrolling windows with the mouse wheel, by default, on most graphical displays. There is also support for increasing or decreasing the height of the default face, by default bound to scrolling with the modifier. To toggle this feature, use =E2=80=98M-x mouse-wheel-= mode=E2=80=99. The variables =E2=80=98mouse-wheel-follow-mouse=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98m= ouse-wheel-scroll-amount=E2=80=99 determine where and by how much buffers are scrolled. The variable =E2=80=98mouse-wheel-progressive-speed=E2=80=99 determines whether the = scroll speed is linked to how fast you move the wheel. That read to me like 'M-x mouse-wheel-mode' is concerned with enabling the face increase/decrease feature. Should that bit be moved to the end of the paragraph? Robert From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 10 20:19:05 2019 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Oct 2019 00:19:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57365 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iIie8-0002UV-Qs for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 20:19:05 -0400 Received: from mail-pf1-f182.google.com ([209.85.210.182]:44953) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iIie7-0002U0-Ew for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 20:19:03 -0400 Received: by mail-pf1-f182.google.com with SMTP id q21so4939262pfn.11 for <28182@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 17:19:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=jKSFrPFmlevl5IKIlUz5LGj4bwHyhSrSCDx1Mnzodgg=; b=GKfzi67xKC2b1mOc6yJX24owelQm6XWKTpJFUZPJl4lJCuyIriCdsNfXAiRJQbBqbQ A2/Z44Q6JUn/anTG3/ZzSewxDcFVa3QKE1RQqm/NjuBY9NHTRBuJCtZiIbLXo2gggaHQ KwN8KA/b8gcG53DozEM38vyCtthwaPe5iq5EnsnqbzxqjsBPMGtjrXKGaeCTS/L70GJv 1oL8RX/70Wnvfse+o2KD9C52lCm4/zULSlAo5OaYcW4ywq7EmRNrGdaE7wGOWqosMwhD LhsTR88XzlY3zdjkGdVXLzRWMlZSeuHH/5RbLb6i6RzJgIZg/NRWJf/FjWq+St5jJh3x cbBQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUMno7Td9TtjEspnH3HnOan/N2Nq7Wzl0ms6AlLrbPrb3vO/G33 njt6cukdN74ElJOmkjtPjfq4Viv194CDtOECY24= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqw1Ix+CBFdb+1zUmPoQmv2JwKgPjiYdRotXV0Ai8FW4CKYC/paJUFnZuue8CMmLXYLlP5c/cM68DCT9+p/CUHU= X-Received: by 2002:a63:4046:: with SMTP id n67mr12949409pga.200.1570753136748; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 17:18:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <87tva69q12.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87v9uixqew.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfu8h6pn.fsf@gnu.org> <83blut3hrm.fsf@gnu.org> <8736g4zh6k.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83mueawiwi.fsf@gnu.org> <83a7a9t60v.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83a7a9t60v.fsf@gnu.org> From: Stefan Kangas Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 02:18:45 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: Tak Kunihiro , =?UTF-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8IERhbiBKYWNvYnNvbg==?= , Richard Stallman , 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, Juri Linkov X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: > I think the text you wrote is OK, thanks. Thanks, now pushed as commit ffb7100750. Best regards, Stefan Kangas From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 10 20:24:55 2019 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Oct 2019 00:24:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57370 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iIijn-0002e8-HH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 20:24:55 -0400 Received: from mail-pl1-f174.google.com ([209.85.214.174]:41864) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iIijl-0002ds-Dg for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 20:24:53 -0400 Received: by mail-pl1-f174.google.com with SMTP id t10so3605692plr.8 for <28182@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 17:24:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=uIn8QjKl2cKU0IFaq7KB6ExgHY7O4npVxsRvyJKh3n4=; b=pXMVqPhao5WtHx9s+1d0hdKNPAlGjVjsNhdbxjeECTxpQYWwsE9Tei7lHRmyCeZxz4 eTr7qMC5jE+s+ia2Pxmd6AoHzpNTBkqzL4v80c4T2hpcQswsSnB5OyHrEWLIFJz13fV4 3TkGKbXmDjFAljNlOUabZuZFAvLJUDeN+D8M4yrNUsFgdClspKWQFIOUNGe+0eC9or9e CBpGeW7gx7cl1i1EviPaee0e2Vtw8axXSubpzAG6d0s9J3P6iUF/JnlNr9CwmYTnOwYx h2lfq5tmLFAL9GZ8SR2+A6TNzbNB7efWclSmkwNji0sNqlEiJiqMpLsXgw5DO/mVVSQD PisQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVzWo5nPHjme1OqQOqPUREIFTRZ7dSn3q3xPmF2dN+A03uzoC5c vRDrUP2WvJfcsgJudG2q1AGo8WtvFRmChzEc5Yw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxKaWSipq9V6WEqAdVpKsKy3nQ9CbDW9Ugt1McWQztnAdw/B47LP+1xSJCmilB62nwAiEGeqKUmUbtc2Otqu/U= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:d888:: with SMTP id b8mr12541688plz.259.1570753487640; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 17:24:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <87tva69q12.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87v9uixqew.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfu8h6pn.fsf@gnu.org> <83blut3hrm.fsf@gnu.org> <8736g4zh6k.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83mueawiwi.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: From: Stefan Kangas Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 02:24:36 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text To: Robert Pluim Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="000000000000a953f20594978b47" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: Richard Stallman , =?UTF-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8IERhbiBKYWNvYnNvbg==?= , Tak Kunihiro , 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Juri Linkov X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --000000000000a953f20594978b47 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Robert Pluim writes: > I took a look at the manual, it says: > > Some mice have a =E2=80=9Cwheel=E2=80=9D which can be used for scr= olling. Emacs > supports scrolling windows with the mouse wheel, by default, on most > graphical displays. There is also support for increasing or decreasi= ng > the height of the default face, by default bound to scrolling with th= e > modifier. To toggle this feature, use =E2=80=98M-x mouse-whee= l-mode=E2=80=99. > The variables =E2=80=98mouse-wheel-follow-mouse=E2=80=99 and =E2=80= =98mouse-wheel-scroll-amount=E2=80=99 > determine where and by how much buffers are scrolled. The variable > =E2=80=98mouse-wheel-progressive-speed=E2=80=99 determines whether th= e scroll speed is > linked to how fast you move the wheel. > > That read to me like 'M-x mouse-wheel-mode' is concerned with enabling > the face increase/decrease feature. Should that bit be moved to the > end of the paragraph? I think you're right that it could be more clear. Patch attached. 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Thu, 10 Oct 2019 22:53:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Pluim To: Stefan Kangas Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <87tva69q12.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87v9uixqew.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfu8h6pn.fsf@gnu.org> <83blut3hrm.fsf@gnu.org> <8736g4zh6k.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83mueawiwi.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 07:53:35 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Fri, 11 Oct 2019 02:24:36 +0200") Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: Richard Stallman , =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson , Tak Kunihiro , 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Juri Linkov X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> On Fri, 11 Oct 2019 02:24:36 +0200, Stefan Kangas said: Stefan> Robert Pluim writes: >> That read to me like 'M-x mouse-wheel-mode' is concerned with enabling >> the face increase/decrease feature. Should that bit be moved to the >> end of the paragraph? Stefan> I think you're right that it could be more clear. Patch attached. LGTM, thanks. Robert From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Oct 13 18:05:37 2019 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Oct 2019 22:05:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37243 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iJlzd-00083m-GC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 18:05:37 -0400 Received: from mail-pg1-f172.google.com ([209.85.215.172]:42719) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iJlzb-00083X-QV for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 18:05:36 -0400 Received: by mail-pg1-f172.google.com with SMTP id f14so3800876pgi.9 for <28182@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 15:05:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=3FNr1j7zuXl8jCFca6XHg9JQXVMp3mKeDqYYbnF8pcY=; b=Ao7BliGZml0bz0RRiKn+1VgudxdW2CyQNHjvwnkpl0EfSnXUWBJL+vkc1vnNR1Bjd7 H2QgXHutho8ArNsz9mEFZ0Vd3/ZRJRTJ+KVgJYtL3h+1rE1XCq9G3vjIGpF0BHoBMuUo J0lL4hS0Z9q5DdiCcRZHh1nSxMtkfz8lDxBHw/sDuiSgwLfrQlfP4Go2NJ2EVfXo8sIz EVDqZG50r3Jw6tBUaTI0bnJKaIwWmXw5d3V5oVCAFREJIQxgC+jg82VYR5AS6OhgglRm /2971J/KdpqCVj7fF16MYgVjuTEyyePF5oPwvNKpuXBHeeopxs/6YG+H39fuQwPPcbF3 6Z2A== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVeP7ql3gOkSajcH6CNS/bJxwh2C1M1/s+FhYc5lcZputUMVTka uYkfMvwAeYflmnbE681KchsLh/WFW4Bh1Nhw/kc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqw9VWXhKuxgOqzn4QKMfRJuL4shgDrTtnaygYpqRavr26OaWKMw4/6IDQIFCnLN159ZlaaH6H70qbbM4W60Ii0= X-Received: by 2002:a63:4046:: with SMTP id n67mr27691878pga.200.1571004329894; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 15:05:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <87tva69q12.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87v9uixqew.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfu8h6pn.fsf@gnu.org> <83blut3hrm.fsf@gnu.org> <8736g4zh6k.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83mueawiwi.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: From: Stefan Kangas Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 00:05:17 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text To: Robert Pluim Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: Richard Stallman , =?UTF-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8IERhbiBKYWNvYnNvbg==?= , Tak Kunihiro , 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Juri Linkov X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) Robert Pluim writes: > Stefan> I think you're right that it could be more clear. Patch attached. > > LGTM, thanks. Thanks, pushed as commit ea7610f1f1. Best regards, Stefan Kangas From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Oct 15 02:42:20 2019 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Oct 2019 06:42:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42605 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iKGXE-0004Ot-G0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 02:42:20 -0400 Received: from mail-pf1-f170.google.com ([209.85.210.170]:44272) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iKGXC-0004Of-8h for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 02:42:19 -0400 Received: by mail-pf1-f170.google.com with SMTP id q21so11789531pfn.11 for <28182@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 23:42:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=cPbiT6zBKJRDz+kJyyMLJh45Hwy3I7vpXmdBIxfdbn0=; b=PxXnwGfrexFqU2WIM/5ZWFa12/Q7Dp9eIrIMqfSQD8JMS9YqTGvxEC8Pa5ZvDuxgpV 7nynYsSiLTfStdJnmZxRxD0avHIflu3iKrHcZZaM4rX8yrv02ZiPtDpEEfVId24BCzWM rvAVhQ46zVVHKVRpUVBE2ybKS+d3jrBDvXBjPWx9XPlSXQIaL90XuyfpcSbrXO/N/FYX 7FRbzfneqA2cMWiFJuUsG5aPuEWsnUsG/7E1PJpg7uw6II7h8G85166irrx7pT11jB+/ aXMayf6zI4GepegmRmzghp/cKhSNYzO6GQkBQjetLmZy4IKEaQ7wDcEJdtxtaN02pO87 e2bQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXVtpzvn8L7EAZ0kW4b7QamR1YyYKqYxzdKwI1aP3/hsjYnd9f5 rmVy9DPAudJKgqpr4uVbDH01QIg8bI65XyM8oDM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxe09hFvqnzADa2/WlM4KHkoaNxQN8txoLNyktlGKXsNxtajdds3VQhLurkhQyQVcBxXyfZPP6wLY3mejoWeug= X-Received: by 2002:a63:4046:: with SMTP id n67mr34254065pga.200.1571121732243; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 23:42:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <87tva69q12.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87v9uixqew.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfu8h6pn.fsf@gnu.org> <83zhinds4o.fsf@gnu.org> <83impae2bz.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: From: Stefan Kangas Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 08:42:00 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text To: Richard Stallman Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , =?UTF-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8IERhbiBKYWNvYnNvbg==?= , Tak Kunihiro , 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, Juri Linkov X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Richard Stallman writes: > > > > Please tell what is your problem, and why "C-x C-+" doesn't solve it? > > > > > > Does C-x C-+ increase the font size? > > > Yes. And "C-x C--" decreases it. > > It would be better to make C-+ do it also > since people used to other applications will try that. Does that make sense even if we don't change the corresponding C-- binding to decrease the font size? Best regards, Stefan Kangas From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Oct 15 10:15:56 2019 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Oct 2019 14:15:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44653 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iKNcC-00059c-HV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 10:15:56 -0400 Received: from userp2120.oracle.com ([156.151.31.85]:55414) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iKNcA-00059O-3D for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 10:15:55 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id x9FEFmVo082294; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 14:15:48 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2019-08-05; bh=fXDcfGTTLu/7WG72Mm2rI/pIn1intlZDIK5qC+gLsts=; b=JQMZskcoacQzTRg00KlTz0Z4ySNXW74FmjxeO0Ta3r9cm9EVAkt1BXNS/jEPy1SnHFmA 9ifI8lY+CyMwWk3ngKYf3oZRifPflFmDO/puXelExGxpO1cnIkRKKQw4cS94Uh4HoqsZ 9V1PzkSqnjoUdanBzA5GibKIk1pnf29f2TnQklyBRLY1mCafkjHJ3TKta/7pRF+i038L A5Hro58vBQaqZKUJRUcqjUrW7rzMbNpLV/ApK0RKZNSq+W5rQRBKlfJj6qg6rK0TqqtN szCAGjjwTNPeaaOAOk+1wZ5lQjesOc6gLVLZjw0pTFR+BMtIgdLjY1c6OdrTBJmspc4A ZQ== Received: from aserp3030.oracle.com (aserp3030.oracle.com [141.146.126.71]) by userp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2vk7fr86rm-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Oct 2019 14:15:48 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp3030.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp3030.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id x9FEARfk004484; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 14:15:45 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by aserp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2vnf7r9j5c-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Oct 2019 14:15:45 +0000 Received: from abhmp0008.oracle.com (abhmp0008.oracle.com [141.146.116.14]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id x9FEFhSw017577; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 14:15:43 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <343ddc4f-5b75-446d-afbf-fe42e596c2a1@default> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 14:15:42 +0000 (UTC) From: Drew Adams To: Stefan Kangas , Richard Stallman Subject: RE: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <87tva69q12.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87v9uixqew.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfu8h6pn.fsf@gnu.org> <83zhinds4o.fsf@gnu.org> <83impae2bz.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4900.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9410 signatures=668684 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=972 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1908290000 definitions=main-1910150128 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9411 signatures=668684 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1908290000 definitions=main-1910150129 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: Tak Kunihiro , =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8IERhbiBKYWNvYnNvbg==?= , 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, Juri Linkov X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > > Does C-x C-+ increase the font size? > > Yes. And "C-x C--" decreases it. > > It would be better to make C-+ do it also > since people used to other applications will try that. FWIW, if this is about binding `C-+' to do this by default then I'm against it. (Just one opinion.) Anyone can add such a binding, if s?he wants. The argument that "other applications" have such a binding is a pretty weak one, in general. And I think it's pretty weak in this case too. If it's really important to provide this because users are used to such a binding in other apps then provide a toggle function (e.g. global minor mode) that binds that key. But don't bind it by default. (The mode could also bind `C--', if that's also important for those used to outside bindings.) --- FWIW: I zoom buffer text and frames (face `default') all the time - many times a day. I use `C-' plus mouse wheel, which is also what "other applications" do. Or I use `S-mouse-1' and `C-S-mouse-1'. Or I use `C-x C--' and `C-x C-=3D'. But I make such bindings myself - I don't expect Emacs to do that by default. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Oct 15 14:17:50 2019 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Oct 2019 18:17:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44806 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iKROI-0002ug-7T for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 14:17:50 -0400 Received: from egyptian.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.56]:49023) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iKROG-0002uY-IO for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 14:17:49 -0400 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 442EF5A0E98; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 18:17:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a64.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-171-212.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.171.212]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D807F5A123D; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 18:17:46 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a64.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.5); Tue, 15 Oct 2019 18:17:47 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Tart-Callous: 20af4aad4df88933_1571163467083_1851864785 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1571163467083:2649365078 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1571163467082 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a64.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a64.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 574B27FDBC; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 11:17:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=linkov.net; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=linkov.net; bh=ibucJ/EaUWDn7jXqeM3aur9tAYs=; b= rC/3FO+DdscaSxiVUC20LbdWZkGHOL4LPoohcLkw8VbZ5zvwgw3rvpY3ujHPyYcr nYkR2z0c8/QTV07X7F2gVFUKl+nr3PdMzP8lWBMnj8gmPpiO3DWCiETTITAiKcD/ F9IegFf6UR14osWq0/IUgQ9RDGfLMOPjkuoelHsQqOU= Received: from mail.jurta.org (m91-129-98-153.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.98.153]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jurta@jurta.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a64.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 532797FDAA; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 11:17:41 -0700 (PDT) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a64 From: Juri Linkov To: Stefan Kangas Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <87tva69q12.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87v9uixqew.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfu8h6pn.fsf@gnu.org> <83zhinds4o.fsf@gnu.org> <83impae2bz.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 20:51:49 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Tue, 15 Oct 2019 08:42:00 +0200") Message-ID: <87y2xlrj62.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: 28182@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >> > > > Please tell what is your problem, and why "C-x C-+" doesn't solve it? >> > > >> > > Does C-x C-+ increase the font size? >> >> > Yes. And "C-x C--" decreases it. >> >> It would be better to make C-+ do it also >> since people used to other applications will try that. > > Does that make sense even if we don't change the corresponding C-- > binding to decrease the font size? Rather not because it will violate user expectations that C-- is symmetric. Now that we have the mouse zooming, the need in additional keys diminished. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Oct 15 23:27:41 2019 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Oct 2019 03:27:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45084 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iKZyM-0006YP-U5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 23:27:39 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:54426) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iKZyL-0006YD-CX for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 23:27:37 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:34439) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iKZyF-0005uC-5p; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 23:27:31 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iKZyD-0004zq-N8; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 23:27:29 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Tue, 15 Oct 2019 08:42:00 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <87tva69q12.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87v9uixqew.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfu8h6pn.fsf@gnu.org> <83zhinds4o.fsf@gnu.org> <83impae2bz.fsf@gnu.org> Message-Id: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 23:27:29 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: homeros.misasa@gmail.com, jidanni@jidanni.org, 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > Yes. And "C-x C--" decreases it. > > > > It would be better to make C-+ do it also > > since people used to other applications will try that. > Does that make sense even if we don't change the corresponding C-- > binding to decrease the font size? I think so. It could display a message saying "Use C-x C-- to decrease font size", generating that based on the keymaps. -- Dr Richard Stallman Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Oct 15 23:29:52 2019 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Oct 2019 03:29:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45088 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iKa0W-0006bp-Mw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 23:29:52 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:54811) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iKa0U-0006ba-M6 for 28182@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 23:29:50 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:34522) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iKa0P-0006rK-Bb; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 23:29:45 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iKa0L-0006HM-Vs; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 23:29:42 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: <343ddc4f-5b75-446d-afbf-fe42e596c2a1@default> (message from Drew Adams on Tue, 15 Oct 2019 14:15:42 +0000 (UTC)) Subject: Re: bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text References: <87y3qcs3nf.fsf@jidanni.org> <87tva69q12.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87v9uixqew.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfu8h6pn.fsf@gnu.org> <83zhinds4o.fsf@gnu.org> <83impae2bz.fsf@gnu.org> <343ddc4f-5b75-446d-afbf-fe42e596c2a1@default> Message-Id: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 23:29:41 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: homeros.misasa@gmail.com, jidanni@jidanni.org, stefan@marxist.se, 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > The argument that "other applications" have such > a binding is a pretty weak one, in general. It is strong enough, as a general rule, to be a reason tro do this if there is no particular reason not to. -- Dr Richard Stallman Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Mar 03 14:55:49 2020 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Mar 2020 19:55:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39983 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j9Dds-0007u5-Lf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Mar 2020 14:55:49 -0500 Received: from ted.gofardesign.uk ([67.225.143.91]:34958) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j9Ddq-0007tk-Kf; Tue, 03 Mar 2020 14:55:47 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=qAwzNsI+qastwUAAF1G9Tvv4N2WS4qwSPmZ4fwYvmgc=; b=KMnbodq9LTCEAk0UyBSKQPZ/dy 8N8UhlpwO5vCTSoEolHoHrRYEqFymO015PHsHLX4gtJmPmYMT0+rEcEM8jOES7w+40UAmoogxDpk9 PP6nEltXdedd8/a7MyWAh9My1v9oNsYCn39jCH6qeVN7KmWfO85JpwSp4du87qHN9neOumzLKeRtX QjDgpjDMKuckDLK8novFpEK8q60P+e4UoGiozqiGIGy6qwqxedX1t4G6fQQRwr9fwgXlGmKQQKu0U R6Mv3jmTyjQ1QuPGcFHEKxWWIiVwwCw5GV+5lYrPIOozG+cOled3637pkxM5nqcnp7aIqbwgh1mSS SwqYHncg==; Received: from h-4-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:49340 helo=localhost) by ted.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1j9Ddj-000DUm-MF; Tue, 03 Mar 2020 14:55:39 -0500 From: Stefan Kangas To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#39847: Document how users can make text-zoom keys same as browser In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 3 Mar 2020 07:32:46 -0800 (PST)") References: <877e05hu32.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <835zfoeoar.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2020 20:55:37 +0100 Message-ID: <87pndt43ie.fsf@stefankangas.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ted.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: ted.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: ted.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 39847@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) (Sending a copy also to Bug#28182 where this has been previously discussed.) Drew Adams writes: >> I also wished that C-+ and C-- would scale >> the screen, just a few months ago. >> >> Perhaps we don't need C-- to make the argument negative. Perhaps >> it is enough that M-- does that. > > My preference would be against doing that. > It's true that `M--' does the same thing - > so we may not _need_ `C--'. But Control > is very handy for prefix args. I suggest binding this to s-- and s-+. Would that be an acceptable compromise? It would be backwards compatible, and these keys are currently unbound. Best regards, Stefan Kangas From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Mar 03 15:03:55 2020 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Mar 2020 20:03:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39988 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j9Dli-00086k-O2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Mar 2020 15:03:54 -0500 Received: from beige.elm.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.212.16]:14571) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j9Dlg-00086Y-Lh; Tue, 03 Mar 2020 15:03:53 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D5185406E2; Tue, 3 Mar 2020 20:03:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a97.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-13-25.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.13.25]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4D8D6540C65; Tue, 3 Mar 2020 20:03:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a97.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.5); Tue, 03 Mar 2020 20:03:51 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Oafish-Reaction: 7639e244643c5517_1583265830906_2460046092 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1583265830906:3221158241 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1583265830906 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a97.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a97.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C887A7F0DF; Tue, 3 Mar 2020 12:03:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=QPaJfbMkXFZgEkkUwP4mOggTlRw=; b=S0ffSX0vKvXN7 E7KvuRlevF0ieFVhg6d3BK7nlwrXb9HVKVkP2gxs9oBNIyVn7S4vEr6IJTl3gxk/ biUJ9OOtYW6xF51hqvKPtabcJ2xXLGC4aAWYml7QZtO8dWN9r7N9Ih/LCly0Dp9E yxdvNKdQ178n1tOtxw0dSl0vep+DaA= Received: from jidanni.org (114-41-3-101.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [114.41.3.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a97.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 64DF47E78C; Tue, 3 Mar 2020 12:03:29 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a97 From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: Stefan Kangas Subject: Re: bug#39847: Document how users can make text-zoom keys same as browser References: <877e05hu32.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <835zfoeoar.fsf@gnu.org> <87pndt43ie.fsf@stefankangas.se> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2020 04:03:25 +0800 Message-ID: <87eeu9nr3m.8.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedugedruddtiedgudefhecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpefhvffufhffkfggtgesthdtredttddtjeenucfhrhhomhepnjjnnjcuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqnecukfhppeduudegrdeguddrfedruddtudenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepuddugedrgedurdefrddutddupdhrvghtuhhrnhdqphgrthhhpeeprehuthhfqdekreeureehiehmpfehnfhiheehsgevkeerpecuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepjhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrghdpnhhrtghpthhtohepvdekudekvdesuggvsggsuhhgshdrghhnuhdrohhrgh X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , 39847@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) >>>>> "SK" == Stefan Kangas writes: SK> I suggest binding this to s-- and s-+. Would that be an acceptable SK> compromise? It would be backwards compatible, and these keys are SK> currently unbound. It's a deal. As long as you also document how the user can also make them c-- and c-+ safely. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Mar 03 15:26:40 2020 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Mar 2020 20:26:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40017 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j9E7j-0000E1-UX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Mar 2020 15:26:40 -0500 Received: from aserp2120.oracle.com ([141.146.126.78]:36984) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j9E7i-0000DU-CI; Tue, 03 Mar 2020 15:26:38 -0500 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 023KOECX080773; Tue, 3 Mar 2020 20:26:31 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=fgi21A13RuECIRHpMVbuKuajfMDn+Zo4I3WJvbq3QdM=; b=vEkFajov2jcFlOx1fPDWnTBmI38JCrduxaR8Zw5TREbcrZxctiIsYKKuGP8LL7LY7DLN 4XUypZgFb8j60f3f6sWTCLc9dgBQI+mR0Z+4kGJTdvXqWXnuCSZaCJy/QFkMczAN00iF JwAVgAzv/pI1QoDJMa4BIKtcIkb/5UkSOhBd+XdX20D3hGNxlaAMWy8Asqtkq3ug3Ae9 mrlV5X9kYo6IWjeVon/LWdYfqFgMgiTbnnP3QDIauIeHrf6tg9CjnBgzv5+YtmGjuf5m A8QwQcRAzWIO7SFcjt1+wmI84hfDXO2aak2ktOCDFh3fLLdPQpsExXmz8IWeppOnEKTp jA== Received: from aserp3030.oracle.com (aserp3030.oracle.com [141.146.126.71]) by aserp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2yffwqsrea-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 03 Mar 2020 20:26:31 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp3030.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp3030.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 023KH2pJ123397; Tue, 3 Mar 2020 20:24:31 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2yg1gy6p9f-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 03 Mar 2020 20:24:31 +0000 Received: from abhmp0020.oracle.com (abhmp0020.oracle.com [141.146.116.26]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 023KOTGu020754; Tue, 3 Mar 2020 20:24:29 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 12:24:28 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: Stefan Kangas Subject: RE: bug#39847: Document how users can make text-zoom keys same as browser References: <877e05hu32.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <835zfoeoar.fsf@gnu.org> <87pndt43ie.fsf@stefankangas.se> In-Reply-To: <87pndt43ie.fsf@stefankangas.se> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4966.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9549 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 adultscore=0 phishscore=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=806 mlxscore=0 spamscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2001150001 definitions=main-2003030130 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9549 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 lowpriorityscore=0 spamscore=0 impostorscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=848 mlxscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 clxscore=1011 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 priorityscore=1501 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2001150001 definitions=main-2003030130 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 39847@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > >> I also wished that C-+ and C-- would scale > >> the screen, just a few months ago. > >> > >> Perhaps we don't need C-- to make the argument negative. > >> Perhaps it is enough that M-- does that. > > > > My preference would be against doing that. > > It's true that `M--' does the same thing - > > so we may not _need_ `C--'. But Control > > is very handy for prefix args. >=20 > I suggest binding this to s-- and s-+. Would that be an acceptable > compromise? It would be backwards compatible, and these keys are > currently unbound. If you're asking me, then my answer is no. I don't see how it would be a compromise (at all), and I don't see how it would be backward compatible. How so? My reasons against this proposal: 1. It doesn't help with the argument currently being given, which is that users are used to `C-+/-'. `s-+/-' doesn't help at all, given such a habit, does it? 2. We already have `C-x +/-'. Why would we need or want two such sets of keys, by default? 3. Given the choice (if we were to pick only one) between `C-x +/-' and `s-+/-', the former is better, IMO: a. It's been the default binding for a long time; Emacs users are already used to it. b. Some platforms may not have a `Super' modifier key, by default. c. Using a repeatable key (`+/-') that's on a prefix key doesn't waste a repeatable key that's not on a prefix key. IOW, if on a prefix key, `+/-' remains available without the prefix key, for some other repeatable action (by "repeatable", here, I mean by just holding down a key). d. If `+/-' is on keymap `ctl-x-map' then it's easy to move or copy it and the other keys on that map to another prefix key. Just one opinion. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Mar 03 15:51:54 2020 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Mar 2020 20:51:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40054 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j9EW9-0000rl-NY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Mar 2020 15:51:53 -0500 Received: from ted.gofardesign.uk ([67.225.143.91]:41566) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j9EW7-0000rR-EB; Tue, 03 Mar 2020 15:51:51 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Gh9R8LgeU2xOnY2CPYet2Kubs8eKhGPl9U+utyRJvOI=; b=bkEiNCS3OqDTjguS+NCikJLk5K 5Jo7uupmGFwCbWqTcGs6WbNL8sTxgsxjDi6ROIQMA3HFOiEG1ltZ/KIg+0S1O6IkZQ8nXH2aP55ht tved6X04B1vn+zP6TTq6tCjZFWSO+toFP3ae6tAF6Bsdun1esmLc/Ba3V9OtqGuOC825OtfI4GHgn wYggQsOfe9MgqCLZwUPLHK3NO0ZMicymD2KCQy9S8n8busmL9GAo7ZeqNYH7GTSFJu/cYMFKQKdv1 QFrtj+0gaw40EgKz1rkT9d4Y1u8hKBxBImxniC6V3uKfXVPrgClfN0SYcZK0FjLU9AdT3FR5ktAev nn0EoSkQ==; Received: from h-4-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:44778 helo=localhost) by ted.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1j9EVz-000Umk-Qx; Tue, 03 Mar 2020 15:51:44 -0500 From: Stefan Kangas To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#39847: Document how users can make text-zoom keys same as browser In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 3 Mar 2020 12:24:28 -0800 (PST)") References: <877e05hu32.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <835zfoeoar.fsf@gnu.org> <87pndt43ie.fsf@stefankangas.se> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2020 21:51:36 +0100 Message-ID: <87mu8x40x3.fsf@stefankangas.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ted.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: ted.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: ted.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 39847@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Drew Adams writes: > I don't see how it would be backward > compatible. How so? I mean that it would not change the current binding for C--. > 1. It doesn't help with the argument currently > being given, which is that users are used to > `C-+/-'. `s-+/-' doesn't help at all, given > such a habit, does it? I personally agree with Richard that C-- and C-+ is a better default and I also think it's okay if negative prefix argument is only on M--. However, Eli has stated in Bug#28182 that he doesn't want a backward incompatible change. AFAICT, s-- and s-+ has some precedence. It's used in Sublime Text. Atom and VSCode use C-- and C-+. This is from searching the web. > 2. We already have `C-x +/-'. Why would we need > or want two such sets of keys, by default? Familiarity and ease of use. BTW, we have more than two such keys: C-x C-+ text-scale-adjust C-x C-- text-scale-adjust C-x C-0 text-scale-adjust C-x C-= text-scale-adjust Best regards, Stefan Kangas From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Mar 03 16:04:20 2020 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Mar 2020 21:04:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40064 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j9EiC-0001Bf-8T for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Mar 2020 16:04:20 -0500 Received: from bonobo.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.22]:54545) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j9Ei9-0001BQ-VO; Tue, 03 Mar 2020 16:04:18 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93AF46001F4; Tue, 3 Mar 2020 21:04:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a11.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-219-30.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.219.30]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id CA8216007AE; Tue, 3 Mar 2020 21:04:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a11.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.5); Tue, 03 Mar 2020 21:04:16 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Name-Glossy: 23befc7921566dbd_1583269456320_2614428194 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1583269456320:4155039952 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1583269456320 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a11.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a11.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDB7883635; Tue, 3 Mar 2020 13:04:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=qra9fh3sCV2r/mmsJVp9tSZhv9I=; b=o/PGfTXs42lV/ hScULngSENWCD1Es09+LQkSJN1zELx3nixB+1Pymu7JTJEhxCRlzxH4j5aUTZ9lW 0z7hUSAtJwmnWNmrJn7Oled4T9dtU/JWghXzZnTH2l6oLEkD5GDH9sQRqwMXVrZG lKMLXWC83646dYuBUaeDR9wZnPOdiE= Received: from jidanni.org (114-41-3-101.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [114.41.3.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a11.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4E02E8362D; Tue, 3 Mar 2020 13:04:12 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a11 From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: Stefan Kangas Subject: Re: bug#39847: Document how users can make text-zoom keys same as browser References: <877e05hu32.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <835zfoeoar.fsf@gnu.org> <87pndt43ie.fsf@stefankangas.se> <87mu8x40x3.fsf@stefankangas.se> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2020 05:04:06 +0800 Message-ID: <87v9nlp2ux.8.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedugedruddtiedgudegjecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpefhvffufhffkfggtgesthdtredttddtjeenucfhrhhomhepnjjnnjcuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqnecukfhppeduudegrdeguddrfedruddtudenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepuddugedrgedurdefrddutddupdhrvghtuhhrnhdqphgrthhhpeeprehuthhfqdekreeureehiehmpfehnfhiheehsgevkeerpecuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepjhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrghdpnhhrtghpthhtohepvdekudekvdesuggvsggsuhhgshdrghhnuhdrohhrgh X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , 39847@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> "SK" == Stefan Kangas writes: SK> AFAICT, s-- and s-+ has some precedence. It's used in Sublime SK> Text. Atom and VSCode use C-- and C-+. Never heard of them. But I heard of Chrome. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Mar 03 16:13:20 2020 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Mar 2020 21:13:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40079 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j9Equ-0001PI-3u for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Mar 2020 16:13:20 -0500 Received: from aserp2120.oracle.com ([141.146.126.78]:56308) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j9Eqs-0001P1-9a; Tue, 03 Mar 2020 16:13:19 -0500 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 023Kw348013728; Tue, 3 Mar 2020 21:13:12 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=91rpM9nE6a98JOjRZq78e/NsGyEleKE8016FfKIQWbw=; b=aqs+juPWJI2bPgQ7e3mlbSCXWBDD52cccGKEEbblb28PncRRzP6+KcpBXt/iodHUTrQ7 eKNJZIQoWvqwLq1Icav1Y8PXCJP6Mk6IEQoK+2FNTI707osJ6diwozmW+2MMjgRD3b1e VtqjmGiFU3VZjY/t077h87zXnwiQ2JR7lCaSz2M7dyLmojw2ZCATQ79Igtg0NhNYZ7gg YTceE7wiqLslMClONns2JehRLeBB5v7YzfEu4FdmqMRalOV5UiM7A24L1Pr/nTMR/mcQ ixhWusoXuJjoDj9R7cqNkM4GNLOONGR17RIsZP+d9QQGZ39N5kQd+Y2rfuOCESMx1cb+ pw== Received: from userp3030.oracle.com (userp3030.oracle.com [156.151.31.80]) by aserp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2yffwqt034-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 03 Mar 2020 21:13:12 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (userp3030.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3030.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 023LCb4g125789; Tue, 3 Mar 2020 21:13:11 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by userp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2yg1emsnvd-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 03 Mar 2020 21:13:11 +0000 Received: from abhmp0020.oracle.com (abhmp0020.oracle.com [141.146.116.26]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 023LD9HB015844; Tue, 3 Mar 2020 21:13:09 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <95a4cc54-4d8d-4b89-ac03-376f037f1d1e@default> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 13:13:08 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: Stefan Kangas Subject: RE: bug#39847: Document how users can make text-zoom keys same as browser References: <877e05hu32.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <835zfoeoar.fsf@gnu.org> <87pndt43ie.fsf@stefankangas.se> <87mu8x40x3.fsf@stefankangas.se> In-Reply-To: <87mu8x40x3.fsf@stefankangas.se> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4966.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9549 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 adultscore=0 suspectscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 malwarescore=0 bulkscore=0 mlxscore=0 phishscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2001150001 definitions=main-2003030135 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9549 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 lowpriorityscore=0 spamscore=0 impostorscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=999 mlxscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 clxscore=1015 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 priorityscore=1501 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2001150001 definitions=main-2003030134 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 39847@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > I don't see how it would be backward > > compatible. How so? >=20 > I mean that it would not change the current binding for C--. I see. Yes, thanks. (You meant that, unlike changing C-+/-, it wouldn't be backward incompatible.) > > 1. It doesn't help with the argument currently > > being given, which is that users are used to > > `C-+/-'. `s-+/-' doesn't help at all, given > > such a habit, does it? >=20 > I personally agree with Richard that C-- and C-+ is a better default > and I also think it's okay if negative prefix argument is only on M--. > However, Eli has stated in Bug#28182 that he doesn't want a backward > incompatible change. >=20 > AFAICT, s-- and s-+ has some precedence. It's used in Sublime > Text. Atom and VSCode use C-- and C-+. This is from searching the > web. OK, but it won't help with a habit of using `C-+/-' to zoom. That was my point here. > > 2. We already have `C-x +/-'. Why would we need > > or want two such sets of keys, by default? >=20 > Familiarity and ease of use. That might be an argument for switching to `s-+/-' _instead_ of `C-x C-+/-' (familiarity, at least for Sublime users). But I don't see how it argues for having both, by default. > BTW, we have more than two such keys:=20 > C-x C-+ text-scale-adjust > C-x C-- text-scale-adjust > C-x C-0 text-scale-adjust > C-x C-=3D text-scale-adjust Yes. And the `C-0' behavior would still be needed, using some key sequence. Which is (IMO) another argument against using `C-+' and `C--'. `C-x' followed by `C--', `C-0' or `C-+' kinda makes sense (mnemonic). Where would we put the `C-0' behavior, for the proposal to change to `C-+/-'? Likewise, for convenience, a `s-=3D' alias would also still be needed/wanted for `s-+', for the same reason - no need to use `Shift'. So we would be talking about some key (maybe `s-0'?) for what `C-x C-0' does, plus sacrificing `s-+', `s-=3D', and `s--'. So four keys. Plus apparently keeping `C-x C--', `C-x C-0', `C-x C-+', and `C-x C-=3D'. 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Content preview: forcemerge 28182 39847 thanks Content analysis details: (1.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2 RBL: Average reputation (+2) [209.85.219.171 listed in wl.mailspike.net] -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [209.85.219.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS From and EnvelopeFrom 2nd level mail domains are different 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (stefankangas[at]gmail.com) 2.0 BLANK_SUBJECT Subject is present but empty -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list manager 0.2 FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN 2nd level domains in From and EnvelopeFrom freemail headers are different forcemerge 28182 39847 thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat May 02 21:06:49 2020 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 May 2020 01:06:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54279 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jV35l-0006it-LT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 21:06:49 -0400 Received: from mail-yb1-f169.google.com ([209.85.219.169]:40551) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jV35k-0006ic-G3 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 21:06:48 -0400 Received: by mail-yb1-f169.google.com with SMTP id e16so4917275ybn.7 for ; Sat, 02 May 2020 18:06:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=jAMvkxMjuZspwbVTJkl0l+1emzYrgIAQN6j9uD/bHp0=; b=sBHDOheG8in8rw9UsU8RNiHOxpSVC53zKaPOBM0eCnhWcZ1ZLa8ZkV08u6sVtNluPj ygzPXnAWseyWLxEZd6/WfFMOekT3i/+XGZplt7zTeqXWQKC9mX+jTkC2tyhf1fXYyUCe w1nzPRLykDBTlAewFntYGULKQeyJoo9SKMqsj1XV+mD3t3PJvRqHOqZbFwcixmsgvsVD 6waDyGmudeLOJWrUUpuyu2cuHFx9nuajZBizVd+XGXQn9+9au1/PuQAxGIqUGK1Vt4od sEhUh/WBIWf/NJ2QE851G0pbL7cgQaii5RuF6s+CnaZj2zvd6OC70PwthYCM9Mp3I21N xG7Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuajLTjmm0g8VlSCXwDFJF7rSiZneDUJ0hmJ8+UcCIpIXYwhUIwI s75ht3sf8FGqFFUmynKrdoeezytEZTnb5QnQYYSc1Kg534k= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypIFu1Uws3GggYohErXjRC6TTKzuvhIjBfxX+Zob8yoGEbz7BVveok8oOliiz3+PQ7xOHUKe1ziaSkDPb4ITgfk= X-Received: by 2002:a5b:1ca:: with SMTP id f10mr17445907ybp.129.1588468002952; Sat, 02 May 2020 18:06:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Kangas Date: Sun, 3 May 2020 03:06:32 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 2.5 (++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: tags 28182 - patch thanks Content analysis details: (2.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.2 HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS From and EnvelopeFrom 2nd level mail domains are different 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (stefankangas[at]gmail.com) -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [209.85.219.169 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2 RBL: Average reputation (+2) [209.85.219.169 listed in wl.mailspike.net] 2.0 BLANK_SUBJECT Subject is present but empty 0.2 FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN 2nd level domains in From and EnvelopeFrom freemail headers are different X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: tags 28182 - patch thanks Content analysis details: (1.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2 RBL: Average reputation (+2) [209.85.219.169 listed in wl.mailspike.net] -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [209.85.219.169 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS From and EnvelopeFrom 2nd level mail domains are different 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (stefankangas[at]gmail.com) 2.0 BLANK_SUBJECT Subject is present but empty -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list manager 0.2 FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN 2nd level domains in From and EnvelopeFrom freemail headers are different tags 28182 - patch thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 05 08:08:40 2020 Received: (at 28182) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Aug 2020 12:08:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50276 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k3IDo-0005X8-8d for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Aug 2020 08:08:40 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:40348) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k3IDm-0005Wr-Ao; Wed, 05 Aug 2020 08:08:38 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=/GRQcnnMikUUQG+mN2efYuJd51fJCTNYcPNgL1qsIaA=; b=nmAj3j0bSOwWe/MQ3UBQixdNKf 2I0L5VVfQYJ66t7XELrumRvZn0q1hxKJOL/nrMBRg0u7797sUzCGHmVCmeS6LxGc+H/0ZPlCmIW7R B/ev5IDlPen25f1uH7uNUlHwrRc7HPSoCLKzXgkRcnSekM5RMjxLtEwELjAwAC1HRgqM=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k3IDb-0004Rf-R7; Wed, 05 Aug 2020 14:08:31 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Kangas Subject: Re: bug#39847: Document how users can make text-zoom keys same as browser References: <877e05hu32.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <835zfoeoar.fsf@gnu.org> <87pndt43ie.fsf@stefankangas.se> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2020 14:08:26 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87pndt43ie.fsf@stefankangas.se> (Stefan Kangas's message of "Tue, 03 Mar 2020 20:55:37 +0100") Message-ID: <87imdx8fd1.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: It was suggested to bind `s-+' / `s--', but as many (most?) computers don't have that keystroke, I don't think that's a solution. And, as explained many times, we can't rebind `C--' and therefore we can't rebind `C-+'. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28182 Cc: rms@gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org, 39847@debbugs.gnu.org, 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) It was suggested to bind `s-+' / `s--', but as many (most?) computers don't have that keystroke, I don't think that's a solution. And, as explained many times, we can't rebind `C--' and therefore we can't rebind `C-+'. So I'm closing this bug report. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 05 08:08:45 2020 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Aug 2020 12:08:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50281 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k3IDs-0005XV-Pd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Aug 2020 08:08:45 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:40362) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k3IDq-0005Ww-U4 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Aug 2020 08:08:43 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Subject:From:To:Message-Id:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Na8m2u9hMb/N5w1NXt6Qd71naHySTKt51Sj9Z9tbGew=; b=mAyTWz8D7E8GO3h+B2OdrWS/oe 5XVjoNOPuF9zT8axf8AMH1gzILdNtDXNKGIfJgBb3TzpWK6BLQuvVKoZdIfUUvalRsPxym4OHH5Jo 04t8EXzHJoWpSpKA6fwhaTMS7tC/fJK7XFoEyW1ebigIG9JiFC78HYq5VZMco/50Ja8o=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k3IDj-0004Rq-6z for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Aug 2020 14:08:37 +0200 Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2020 14:08:34 +0200 Message-Id: <87h7th8fct.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #39847 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: tags 39847 wontfix close 39847 quit Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) tags 39847 wontfix close 39847 quit From unknown Thu Jun 19 14:21:22 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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