From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 17 01:52:10 2017 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Aug 2017 05:52:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41865 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1diDiz-0008Pf-VH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 01:52:10 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:45110) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1diDiw-0008P8-JM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 01:52:07 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1diDiq-0004X1-Gt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 01:52:01 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:47770) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1diDiq-0004Wp-D6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 01:52:00 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36077) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1diDio-0002kL-P5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 01:52:00 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1diDij-0004SP-SF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 01:51:58 -0400 Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.25]:41057) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1diDij-0004Qu-Go for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 01:51:53 -0400 Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 981B220DF8 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 01:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend2 ([10.202.2.161]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 17 Aug 2017 01:51:51 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=secretsauce.net; h=content-type:date:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:to :x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=M12Qae 0GYeH5T5XCTSCEM27BGt6yMF7q+GPkTcndRwQ=; b=BgDOSFbshuJmfeQ3LFDLwu Xn2BzSzeRKRxBfnUEug93iGW5rZwLySvwjKYKn7JOH35z7FDmhT38XfsXCypWwje OEPBIi/cwXlfTzjrWjMot1/qzlsMU3lH5LxLBgfRyxzghzdr6LSm/n43k0tOtctM uYhptWXdTdr5yGGUOLs5a6/xvlk4EN7XdSGefc0mTqGvsTf0/+oiuGcP6wCG66IB /FcGKjDj5S8NThH+NmvBAtMZfbpjMgFOTuBq9NH+pKYvgx7ZUde+QqPADlL64ao6 LdTuAIPBQ6YTgz0lypprQkOububR4QqnuDBpxpgk4Pp47RuxDQVriHCBHmu2V/Dg == DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-type:date:from:message-id :mime-version:subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=M12Qae0GYeH5T5XCTSCEM27BGt6yMF7q+GPkTcndR wQ=; b=b6BxO+NQthFw8W7QzCbnUK2kHxQ2R8R/uyvcUlUkUsq7hAHy8PmyeNptH wZBV3dx371Ms8XI5RqnyNmvvmj/YRLkt5GXitBVk3aFivzIniWbIn/Jw7NfU+S3/ lTgQmc4FETExxMTwi5Lv9lEy0ghJBQ7PT2WbCnTGU0CGNNcfQwFQgvp/LaKC1yBP VYJ++ENOGj9FvTtb7U8FzEVWHF/zzsj9gl9u+/tbi2cN/a3vmnLxzN7++Nb5ioYo krm+ECecRvNVzkJUxj0q6La1Y1s6qJxaMe7+sbsEMwg69izK2yU4IXXph4Y7R3B2 JTjNIJsS6o9PDlGpNPFsG1OCYu/SQ== X-ME-Sender: X-Sasl-enc: j5YlwZnps2i6rawogWXQjob86H2BWzs3XxjF3D9kGJkx 1502949110 Received: from scrawny (50-1-153-176.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.1.153.176]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id EBFB62423F for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 01:51:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dima by scrawny with local (Exim 4.88) (envelope-from ) id 1diDif-0003Bc-KH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2017 22:51:49 -0700 From: Dima Kogan To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 26.0.50; TRAMP: Can't open "/sudo::/tmp" after (tramp-change-syntax 'simplified) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 22:51:49 -0700 Message-ID: <87a82yivwq.fsf@scrawny> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Hi. I'm running a bleeding-edge build of emacs from git. I turned on what I thought was the old-style TRAMP syntax by evaluating (tramp-change-syntax 'simplified) This gives me the old syntax for ssh, but other modes don't work anymore. For instance, trying to open /sudo::/whatever now tries to contact an ssh server named "sudo". Is this expected? Is the 'simplified syntax not an old-style compability syntax? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 17 03:21:20 2017 Received: (at 28119-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Aug 2017 07:21:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41933 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1diF7I-0001yG-HN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 03:21:20 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:63557) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1diF7H-0001y3-Dw for 28119-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 03:21:19 -0400 Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([212.86.40.21]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lg1QN-1dG75y2qfD-00peJX; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 09:21:09 +0200 From: Michael Albinus To: Dima Kogan Subject: Re: bug#28119: 26.0.50; TRAMP: Can't open "/sudo::/tmp" after (tramp-change-syntax 'simplified) References: <87a82yivwq.fsf@scrawny> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 09:21:08 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87a82yivwq.fsf@scrawny> (Dima Kogan's message of "Wed, 16 Aug 2017 22:51:49 -0700") Message-ID: <871soa4q3f.fsf@detlef> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:sho5jAQvJjX99V1t3rT/ECfQ2iMmXhnxwmtH/m0sVKyLUpilkW0 hxecowiAcPAtwdPRv4FNftTdqKN56lGSvu6ioKLOJGeg0efvSL6nuaauxywIheXePE4tLXt 6vKCD4e8N+u7s1WPQYqUSuwA13SYyGHFM/CeQKFvYRJnmv7ySWPONnfhXBEdMmS0T7My8z5 FBBKhJRM+93LEarSGQz0g== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:sFAJqhlV9Sg=:LQ8Hmg2tOg5uCCMYMje9cu t12GbS2bwI+YIB7UrwoD3GbWYiA/qMn1OX+vkgTURzJJ/Ebvk+XJgODIVydojmW+WHAsDcFKx Lwa9ru1iFtByvYkHPm0GTCrjvrPxn4AuDM57qgGFCmzJ3hArRKiQInyV5t+617I2jzs91eYYF 11RfcpC2Wl2Kom0XI2AdS0T5ASfzzc2jQ5y4Y+3IBodYczJy9PzR8eZaAsCRtFmx37N8+Azbh vgNVHyE7R6aZZu5OjbdHBBEv5qabJOvWW3/vgXXkaflsBLeQ9/2BzUelfOVPnjJdPO6S3iGm5 xnrAsfnQwARy0vFt/tpDiJdpiy2Elg4Tf+gAhDUD9m0d0AI6DjVmRgDnEO4SUv/+T5iBL2rz+ 7JIEuLn/34i2dJ6TM+nzFIEzlJsNEZ3OYckBwohJxu7uiDTXwth9g0HtxRY2uvoNEjB9bo+Pi L4VdclzMUGs+uLJpJ47IAeZXeC66QIMQCMWeC1UQqosWqPXNpDGdzElbsvryzJScwl+EEplnd zejsMjz2dXrZwuDKwjktAnCwzN3kz8Y3qZ5tOcQh6RWDIqZFfuh8SvR5ojmLowRAhR47CyYcU 6qWgNQDS8L7yzWrd7VoICXXuooSifsv1l8I/SWLuuK0UmF2ImljNXC9gnf0Way6Hd4vRLMKo6 v5nQXH4qigtJiwYfa99D/6LYTV2jBU0f+/Ubd1ohzyu0cmpzdJK6abV97AIDb9ppZD6R/po/4 cHoamfvmVzfQrr4hmxA1VWDOyiQL3w0D3ijURqrwTuivZlh0ZF73XO3JwgDt+u/l2dBnFmJ+n CgjbcJ3dWm++VyUgzbea1utj2rhRcanZGxtHX6WJDNs62k7gHs= X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28119-done Cc: 28119-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) Dima Kogan writes: > Hi. Hi Dima, > I'm running a bleeding-edge build of emacs from git. I turned on > what I thought was the old-style TRAMP syntax by evaluating > > (tramp-change-syntax 'simplified) > > This gives me the old syntax for ssh, but other modes don't work > anymore. For instance, trying to open /sudo::/whatever now tries to > contact an ssh server named "sudo". Is this expected? Is the 'simplified > syntax not an old-style compability syntax? `simplified' is not an old-style compatibility. The "old-style" syntax, allowing the method name to be optional, has been thrown away completely. You use now either "/method:user@host:" as the changed default syntaxw (user and host are optional), or "/user@host:" as the symplified syntax (user being optional). Simplified syntax looks similar to the old ange-ftp syntax. With the simplified syntax, you declare your default method via `tramp-default-method-alist' or `tramp-default-method'. I'm marking this ticket as notabug and closed, but of course we could continue to discuss how to optimize your settings. Best regards, Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 17 03:22:31 2017 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Aug 2017 07:22:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41941 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1diF8Q-00020g-Rt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 03:22:31 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:54148) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1diF8P-00020Q-N0 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 03:22:30 -0400 Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([212.86.40.21]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LomuB-1d7Ht73djn-00glZU for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 09:22:23 +0200 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 09:22:22 +0200 Message-Id: <87ziay3bgx.fsf@detlef> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Michael Albinus Subject: control message for bug #28119 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:0ms4yR81Z3Fb1jT8lqLJRLhzZ+1l0ehbEd2o7bjVhQYrtpojdXe +byERp5/Wq/YjtaVsETPGWXfAnQUhtNb8paKawBJi4XhY4S0y/HHRvjqEJlThZQw+EqB/o8 zl5Pm+yzwkclKRyiDo0XFayoY4YH6YuO08CNQ3wN/f7iY9RvkSi7+XC5NTHbSrw+ZITTt7x 1pmVrGUw9Vrk928y4NsuA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:zvP7vAJcUmw=:cXKqUi5rVEcQ3cVgszUhph cj5cv/KF3QNOL+JWOt/Fui8rC5foLbt86fnMttFSp9PnRo4kT5g/b42+sB4QN7xAX7pYCzZ+Q qD+girJdI1/cLLuxBC1MNIEi89x6rvev/cZJ+n8UcW0EmuZQ3OLJfckCKm+hj62exSr0m9ZQJ AOf2OmX14rSzW56WJny6uA6V/pO7b9FKcod0TFkS2IX9yYyvDZ68vPlpk4UAS+7XkXKoOzzUw AwHcc7Gf8emeqfCKwEQRaP8nWrKPVsFiFQaNPRv/Ci4/aICGvvY40J38jJDQP4MPccwOznVRr hFAGFH07M+7AU3F8D/GehR3LGS+iszYTSe8jiDV815xpBcjmjV/ePU24Wkwx1TAZkBzBW9wdl ZSIEijIXR3XtJYCijL3mtMvW4HNVsC4ZqcEyehgtXwJTEmpMPKktSG1bcqhzt2jR9RirsjAGD 6V58d0Tewado1r+ocozYP231EoMCbJ+ykB6MetnN06oIm2p9ftoEQQhVYcv4FpFg5/pRCb1lj nLggT88oMJO2En3lj4tH5bTKZ5StlvNGweTmfbL9TNENkb7J8PUAk4BZnuphuEvKDhRe5CEpC /RoFPqCjcp1X3a9VdtU/cUS4PLdnkM02B2RCwc8aFLfG6HgaXsIyW6LaODYoL9gWMR3DMPggf Q477+cbTySy+IG17CziQ5ID/2t7Ej6LVzME47pCeZT+QEOCrhZNm3mgGJ87B/PvUf9+Zpe+yK 0nPEbNV5Sp79CcVHDsolf37a1n74MpXpHdFIcPV3gHQ19JrLKaoRLdP70IIshbjRNnU2amICF ApbjkRUbGowpHhWyb2gIr9O6GFgaA== X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) tags 28119 notabug From unknown Sun Jun 22 22:46:35 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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