From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Aug 13 13:23:08 2017 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Aug 2017 17:23:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60163 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dgwbU-00074z-0A for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 13:23:08 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:53349) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dgwbR-00074N-MT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 13:23:06 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dgwbL-0005of-Iz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 13:23:00 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:46156) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dgwbL-0005ob-Fv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 13:22:59 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44317) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dgwbK-000214-9r for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 13:22:59 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dgwbH-0005nG-30 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 13:22:58 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:27855) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dgwbG-0005mi-Pn for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 13:22:55 -0400 Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id v7DHMqar018961 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 17:22:52 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v7DHMpKq012063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 17:22:52 GMT Received: from abhmp0010.oracle.com (abhmp0010.oracle.com [141.146.116.16]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v7DHMnx9030508 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 17:22:51 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <9b4a1372-0759-42a5-a5b2-cc131c638c74@default> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 17:22:48 +0000 (UTC) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 25.2; `outline-invisible-p' should be specific to `invisible' property of `outline.el' X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6774.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) This is the definition of `outline-invisible-p' in `outline.el': (defsubst outline-invisible-p (&optional pos) "Non-nil if the character after POS is invisible. If POS is nil, use `point' instead." (get-char-property (or pos (point)) 'invisible)) That's wrong. Outline should recognize and respect, for its purposes, only the invisibility that it, itself, imposes. Here is a correct definition, AFAICT. My own use of this indicates that it DTRT. In particular, I believe that it handles all of the invisible text that Outline itself imposes, so that `outline.el' loses nothing by using it. (defun outline-invisible-p (&optional pos) "Non-nil if the character after point is invisible for outline purposes." (eq (get-char-property (or pos (point)) 'invisible) 'outline)) (It also should not be a `defsubst'. 1985 has come and gone.) This fix is important for letting `outline.el' play with other code that uses text invisibility for other reasons. For example, I use it with Info mode in a TOC buffer. (That lets you show/hide parts of the TOC, move parts around, etc., while still keeping hidden *Note:: etc.) In GNU Emacs 25.2.1 (x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2017-04-24 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --without-dbus --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static -g3'' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 16 19:32:35 2017 Received: (at 28080) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Aug 2017 23:32:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41685 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1di7ne-0002B0-Q1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2017 19:32:35 -0400 Received: from mail-io0-f194.google.com ([209.85.223.194]:35510) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1di7nb-0002AR-U9; Wed, 16 Aug 2017 19:32:33 -0400 Received: by mail-io0-f194.google.com with SMTP id h70so3152684ioi.2; Wed, 16 Aug 2017 16:32:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=daTnz68lru2Gy46+1MgZ9Z+yi37jC5VkolxXVdcx1is=; b=k4bdQu+ycDoK6AFK/4OJ0EEj6GVcUTPuxzDTzTBmUYAYLT2RJM2L8GnssEDgaiZ+TL zeSrXjqpAQ7X7Bn3Pt9VWsK7X0enaW6a28ar9SRamY/uCjuOE1wMrBcApmiaj16tsxLF fcVfhqXn7e+ri551l067v9niRUW9dA5frimWUOe4NlQEIHX/xwlilJ3KzD/ev2MB9scN H857mzjXraRafgImLFGrLomQWIQt4nup7p+DlwK1/rspTPZ2OzU+04lY3guAzQeu/SO/ LtLsXlny1oW0njIiv+Bd56/3UwS7DqOwbzODKU00zeFdmJMch9FGpguHA+5FM6hEtIRw Wpzg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date :in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=daTnz68lru2Gy46+1MgZ9Z+yi37jC5VkolxXVdcx1is=; b=EHy/V7Fk7upDXh1JSqGsaacYVhbFcw0hREsFQgF0GB61QsCbQufapy1eKSEvODQ27W jb7MLJItEzPPEJfr7REUkqM54SHNMsFsnxdsPUl8NZ2ly9ZvqnRM6RXEdRl+9Y5Imj5Z zQ0TpTPklbk/jXycwfFlq90vcFjlui1GpJroDUZ6kqOhHWPxdpB/IU0NJXj3aJ6ZkKad ldVjWBhaRMbFh112Ga2u0plQGetNwllkkXsfieiIF5l+zIIOdUTe4l/+Y1H27HUrB1+B 5clzc37OXDIgcYDxgZAzOGzdzm428B8YnM2+KPFBstnsK3J08WwDE4AB35qnErXfJeCs oPig== X-Gm-Message-State: AHYfb5g76Ezvox98XPnFJ8q2kMPxciC8SlTXj9WqdNYjaBDwib/JEvbS KvIMwsbpEfG58Rvw X-Received: by 10.107.16.101 with SMTP id y98mr2965921ioi.196.1502926345993; Wed, 16 Aug 2017 16:32:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zony ([45.2.119.49]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 200sm1078650itm.7.2017.08.16.16.32.25 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Wed, 16 Aug 2017 16:32:25 -0700 (PDT) From: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#28080: 25.2; `outline-invisible-p' should be specific to `invisible' property of `outline.el' References: <9b4a1372-0759-42a5-a5b2-cc131c638c74@default> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 19:34:04 -0400 In-Reply-To: <9b4a1372-0759-42a5-a5b2-cc131c638c74@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 13 Aug 2017 17:22:48 +0000 (UTC)") Message-ID: <87bmnfytn7.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.2.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28080 Cc: 28080@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) forcemerge 24073 28080 quit Drew Adams writes: > Here is a correct definition, AFAICT. My own use of this indicates that > it DTRT. In particular, I believe that it handles all of the invisible > text that Outline itself imposes, so that `outline.el' loses nothing by > using it. > > (defun outline-invisible-p (&optional pos) > "Non-nil if the character after point is invisible for outline purposes." > (eq (get-char-property (or pos (point)) 'invisible) 'outline)) Yup, this is the definition in master. > (It also should not be a `defsubst'. 1985 has come and gone.) Except it is still a defsubst. It is called within some loops, so perhaps we should at least see some numbers before changing that? 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Wed, 16 Aug 2017 23:50:37 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <9960efa6-6c96-4a00-9d6e-f26e856d040e@default> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 16:50:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: bug#28080: 25.2; `outline-invisible-p' should be specific to `invisible' property of `outline.el' References: <9b4a1372-0759-42a5-a5b2-cc131c638c74@default> <87bmnfytn7.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> In-Reply-To: <87bmnfytn7.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6774.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28080 Cc: 28080@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) > Yup, this is the definition in master. Great. =20 > > (It also should not be a `defsubst'. 1985 has come and gone.) >=20 > Except it is still a defsubst. It is called within some loops, so > perhaps we should at least see some numbers before changing that? Doesn't matter what the numbers are, IMHO. `defsubst' should be dropped altogether now. It was annoying 30 years ago, and it's still annoying - for no real benefit. ;-) From unknown Sat Jun 21 04:59:38 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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Mon, 02 Nov 2020 22:04:58 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp3030.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp3030.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 0A2M0lEe113921; Mon, 2 Nov 2020 22:04:57 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by aserp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 34jf478n9y-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 02 Nov 2020 22:04:57 +0000 Received: from abhmp0012.oracle.com (abhmp0012.oracle.com [141.146.116.18]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 0A2M4vdG009102; Mon, 2 Nov 2020 22:04:57 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <8f49d675-283c-40c1-9ceb-24f4cc7aa548@default> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2020 14:04:56 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: bug#28080: 25.2; `outline-invisible-p' should be specific to `invisible' property of `outline.el' References: <9b4a1372-0759-42a5-a5b2-cc131c638c74@default> <87bmnfytn7.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <9960efa6-6c96-4a00-9d6e-f26e856d040e@default> In-Reply-To: <9960efa6-6c96-4a00-9d6e-f26e856d040e@default> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.5056.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9793 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 mlxscore=0 bulkscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=865 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2011020167 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9793 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 impostorscore=0 malwarescore=0 priorityscore=1501 mlxlogscore=896 bulkscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 mlxscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 clxscore=1011 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2011020166 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28080 Cc: 28080@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > > (It also should not be a `defsubst'. 1985 has come and gone.) > > > > Except it is still a defsubst. It is called within some loops, so > > perhaps we should at least see some numbers before changing that? >=20 > Doesn't matter what the numbers are, IMHO. `defsubst' should be > dropped altogether now. It was annoying 30 years ago, and it's > still annoying - for no real benefit. ;-) (2017 has also come and gone.) This is still a defsubst. Could we please get it promoted to a defun now? Thx. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 02 17:32:47 2020 Received: (at 28080) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Nov 2020 22:32:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42846 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kZiNb-0007M0-CI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Nov 2020 17:32:47 -0500 Received: from mail-ej1-f50.google.com ([209.85.218.50]:46097) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kZiNZ-0007Ll-2Q for 28080@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Nov 2020 17:32:45 -0500 Received: by mail-ej1-f50.google.com with SMTP id w13so7607295eju.13 for <28080@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 02 Nov 2020 14:32:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=+fIjTdkl2h//UK1MOXZsuf5cLqt3sMNyVV08yUhBDS0=; b=jk3POg4tSVs4Ao1EATcWBh58UarUZQ/uJSpmsBfAkWuJzEvXbeJWV7tZKocDHuZ2j3 CLVRN3uPaABgOVuybLPFeKXdWfHvc1AFi0MEz0uggk8H+jWkXUq7TWHTB6WTF+xogdLy 6rJs5hJE5uMPzBZlrl2aRqjQ1lvo63NHuKzs60aDDRT+AHr/CviYaOF/IjS6m3XcJ2N9 K+RZLOGvg4aCMYWAOzINOGcsyq8RjpUfqacPDBPftP7/EJ+hLusqIUnx89WwbIO5E7D6 lI/Oi/9uxkzAjIyEXAucZsEznqy0dPhaWjyfHrLwRhnmtTzgzpy6TqYVW1xpeumPYi6+ a30g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=+fIjTdkl2h//UK1MOXZsuf5cLqt3sMNyVV08yUhBDS0=; b=YevKGZjtkFDSc3xdyG/SCGw5dsh8e4HxQ9pKfJRlbuLeFPZANmI6d69kbZFRYYba6C sXS4eSzSAXSw5N8Fhwdmg7DrqrcL6ykU0jCQH1P8Dw9oBlCJfsTZcno0lFFu0UhmwGtc FuNTAfPqpf70Uaxc//gCDCLWZDPPPJaejGNf6RInHce1WD/WjDUG8GAi2320Z4ldnkpR SvufejNgZzdhRdrbqVZahK/N5dfkyGgmS8xLSuDT2pMs4sPElJeZbLGPVCiaEslH128E agw2G7pAbJleQl0mH8SC2rqx4Qr2LDVGSL0JeGRk57HGOo1M++xVfHuetMimn94M08Zs LaJQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531fuec5/JCXWZXWWwwmf8fr33e02E4er4lt9j/Kl6yi/l5qFCOw cEAiWfTAQ4HHJ22yNbcyPhPxfq+Rck9e87mtDY4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwqI0mouC4XFNQdziqzjr9Oj6jivBos7ElJBO2oMxM1KvjKK26mU2CvyZfn1RqULIXOhcTNu5Qs3NeOK+SkuQE= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:804:: with SMTP id e4mr16888393ejd.420.1604356359056; Mon, 02 Nov 2020 14:32:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Mon, 2 Nov 2020 14:32:38 -0800 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <8f49d675-283c-40c1-9ceb-24f4cc7aa548@default> References: <9b4a1372-0759-42a5-a5b2-cc131c638c74@default> <87bmnfytn7.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <9960efa6-6c96-4a00-9d6e-f26e856d040e@default> <8f49d675-283c-40c1-9ceb-24f4cc7aa548@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2020 14:32:38 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#28080: 25.2; `outline-invisible-p' should be specific to `invisible' property of `outline.el' To: Drew Adams , npostavs@users.sourceforge.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28080 Cc: 28080@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Drew Adams writes: >> > > (It also should not be a `defsubst'. 1985 has come and gone.) >> > >> > Except it is still a defsubst. It is called within some loops, so >> > perhaps we should at least see some numbers before changing that? >> >> Doesn't matter what the numbers are, IMHO. `defsubst' should be >> dropped altogether now. It was annoying 30 years ago, and it's >> still annoying - for no real benefit. ;-) > > (2017 has also come and gone.) This is still a defsubst. > Could we please get it promoted to a defun now? Thx. Noam has a point though: it would be nice to see some numbers before we change it. From unknown Sat Jun 21 04:59:38 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2020 12:24:11 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator