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[173.64.88.95]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g206sm607106qkb.13.2017.08.11.07.42.44 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Fri, 11 Aug 2017 07:42:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by holos.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E8BD868E57; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 10:42:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Oteiza To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 26.0.50; behaviour of C-h f semantic-mode Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 10:42:43 -0400 Message-ID: <87poc22mjg.fsf@holos> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) Hi, >From -Q: 1. C-f sem TAB For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. *Warning* default value of <> tokens changed to QUERY, was NULL_TOKEN *Warning* default value of <> tokens changed to TRUE, was QUERY *Warning* default value of <> tokens changed to FALSE, was TRUE Shell native completion is disabled, using fallback Quit The penultimate message was from a python process being started. In GNU Emacs 26.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, Xaw scroll bars) of 2017-08-10 built on logos Repository revision: 81656add8117e8d1b7faab18b330d0706462b433 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Aug 11 11:51:17 2017 Received: (at 28048) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Aug 2017 15:51:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55916 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dgCDU-0003F3-Pm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 11:51:17 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:41701) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dgCDS-0003Ep-Jk for 28048@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 11:51:15 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dgCDM-0007c5-BZ for 28048@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 11:51:09 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:46500) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dgCDI-0007as-J3; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 11:51:04 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1dgCDG-0005yN-UZ; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 11:51:03 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Mark Oteiza Subject: Re: bug#28048: 26.0.50; behaviour of C-h f semantic-mode References: <87poc22mjg.fsf@holos> X-Spook: Trafficking Mutation Chemical fire TELINT H1N1 La Familia X-Ran: 4d")HI_oKo#0v}"+$_`o0}Fb;J|ZLw2Db/@o8xEk%eFb_S`DiTr?dBS8Wdwf3m-9D|+CnB X-Hue: yellow X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 11:51:02 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87poc22mjg.fsf@holos> (Mark Oteiza's message of "Fri, 11 Aug 2017 10:42:43 -0400") Message-ID: <2mlgmq14t5.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28048 Cc: 28048@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Mark Oteiza wrote: > 1. C-f sem TAB > > For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. > *Warning* default value of <> tokens changed to QUERY, was NULL_TOKEN > *Warning* default value of <> tokens changed to TRUE, was QUERY > *Warning* default value of <> tokens changed to FALSE, was TRUE These 3 warnings are https://debbugs.gnu.org/14524 > Shell native completion is disabled, using fallback > Quit Anyway, what exactly is the complaint? C-h f now uses the definition-prefixes feature to try and load libraries where needed, and loading libraries may do anything. 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[173.64.88.95]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f6sm777335qtb.69.2017.08.11.09.22.00 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Fri, 11 Aug 2017 09:22:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by holos.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8F62868E57; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 12:22:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Oteiza To: Glenn Morris Subject: Re: bug#28048: 26.0.50; behaviour of C-h f semantic-mode References: <87poc22mjg.fsf@holos> <2mlgmq14t5.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 12:22:00 -0400 In-Reply-To: <2mlgmq14t5.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (Glenn Morris's message of "Fri, 11 Aug 2017 11:51:02 -0400") Message-ID: <87poc2qdlj.fsf@holos> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28048 Cc: 28048@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) Glenn Morris writes: > Mark Oteiza wrote: > >> 1. C-f sem TAB >> >> For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. >> *Warning* default value of <> tokens changed to QUERY, was NULL= _TOKEN >> *Warning* default value of <> tokens changed to TRUE, was QUERY >> *Warning* default value of <> tokens changed to FALSE, was TRUE > > These 3 warnings are https://debbugs.gnu.org/14524 > >> Shell native completion is disabled, using fallback >> Quit > > Anyway, what exactly is the complaint? > C-h f now uses the definition-prefixes feature to try and load libraries > where needed, and loading libraries may do anything. I suppose the complaint is that "loading" semantic (or whatever happens to get loaded when trying to get help on the semantic-mode function) is invoking a python process. Either some library starts the process when loaded, or=E2=80=A6 well I don't know what's going on. Is there a bug associated with the new C-h f behaviour? Loading libraries unexpectedly sounds bad. Tangentially, the python warning is , and either something got broken again or this never actually got fixed. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Aug 11 21:45:49 2017 Received: (at 28048) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Aug 2017 01:45:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56161 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dgLUq-0003Wo-R2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 21:45:49 -0400 Received: from mail-io0-f193.google.com ([209.85.223.193]:38529) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dgLUo-0003Wb-T1 for 28048@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 21:45:47 -0400 Received: by mail-io0-f193.google.com with SMTP id o9so4474142iod.5 for <28048@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 18:45:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NXSWxlmpi5RjVIsDkRKrah/qKRpBEVyc9JnIMZb+I3k=; b=TWEswPYZCR4HpRh1iJGoIBLT+rtESmrkq/GsFUwHINO4NRejINN2kdweedLXzVwiGM XszjQ69UJKzFd6u6vRcXPAvy15OEjuWLGE4W/aJxH7WTA1ysQK1wcSI9wAf30iR/npaH N+eMJ8wjQ6TXsYs3zXo0Y0L1o3Jz0dQIULEJR9+rcoIKnHgEhJjxjy6y/MIaat24a9eX nxdGHa8JYj1az39JwUKJwZcjpvKkJvdAYBoL75ERsI9OWASI7XIjjwsKKHMBkYM6G41B eivuXFVUzGN3Rwmgn8Kw9Jopq7eBCz8AqMcR7wd1tmOHpvxLPZKMQ7OaPRorUU6mkM/X FFeA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date :in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=NXSWxlmpi5RjVIsDkRKrah/qKRpBEVyc9JnIMZb+I3k=; b=Bd2YSEJdyXzQv9YGfwcXF55G6xIwetIRzcdwve1QXo1ixlB/zvbWxOgZefoNnXnLux TE+1hqzV2mcuBnkxbEMMTiBZMnDYmvhvAuwNTHHERU/i7wh78gL8w553D7TEcjT5mz6D 4F72fK6c+w54vd7pDFMy2GN95qFivYpVHcLl47sAH3zPsrrKmLev0d7FPTwW6YZLBojz yFo8kXwZRtUpvJpizziodFl72fphBT3pxJNCpF0ZMu3sSscs1JaQMtqtsuoRHECV4C46 JhHiryeV/n7+b8EsuDgCSdvjVv4Eh9OoA/dL59j3r8rVjLvaoBag7qDcfIGRJCQ4U9Um njXw== X-Gm-Message-State: AHYfb5iNKBy8h4PptlvHKKU4GuT6IDVRnKexBK+u5MunN33SfmSSoQfw +tJHPEGyB+yXeerc X-Received: by 10.107.195.129 with SMTP id t123mr14411668iof.50.1502502341050; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 18:45:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zony ([45.2.119.49]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id e20sm1037803iof.38.2017.08.11.18.45.39 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Fri, 11 Aug 2017 18:45:39 -0700 (PDT) From: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net To: Mark Oteiza Subject: Re: bug#28048: 26.0.50; behaviour of C-h f semantic-mode References: <87poc22mjg.fsf@holos> <2mlgmq14t5.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87poc2qdlj.fsf@holos> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 21:47:17 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87poc2qdlj.fsf@holos> (Mark Oteiza's message of "Fri, 11 Aug 2017 12:22:00 -0400") Message-ID: <87k2291rru.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.2.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28048 Cc: Glenn Morris , 28048@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) Mark Oteiza writes: > I suppose the complaint is that "loading" semantic (or whatever happens > to get loaded when trying to get help on the semantic-mode function) is > invoking a python process. Either some library starts the process when > loaded, or=E2=80=A6 well I don't know what's going on. I can confirm the "*Warning* default value of <> tokens changed..." messages. I do not get the "Shell native completion is disabled, using fallback" message, and furthermore, evaluating (featurep 'python) afterwards gives nil. > Is there a bug associated with the new C-h f behaviour? No, it was introduced on emacs-devel, see [1] and followups. [1]: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2016-05/msg00441.html > Tangentially, the python warning is , and > either something got broken again or this never actually got fixed. When I do M-x run-python native completion is enabled with no problem. Perhaps you should open a new bug with details about your python setup. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Aug 12 13:42:21 2017 Received: (at 28048) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Aug 2017 17:42:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57374 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dgaQW-0004Fo-MI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 13:42:21 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:34838) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dgaQU-0004Fi-Nu for 28048@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 13:42:18 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dgaQO-0002p3-6W for 28048@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 13:42:13 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:53025) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dgaQK-0002oI-3X; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 13:42:08 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1dgaQI-0006oR-HS; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 13:42:06 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Mark Oteiza Subject: Re: bug#28048: 26.0.50; behaviour of C-h f semantic-mode References: <87poc22mjg.fsf@holos> <2mlgmq14t5.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87poc2qdlj.fsf@holos> X-Spook: Colombia Geraldton explosive Operation Iraqi Freedom X-Ran: X47U`%65x!uWCzsaiP"GVIn$E/49^@v;5NdIHS>PuQO662e!C=ZI5+vbgC>m0G{4OxIt7S X-Hue: magenta X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 13:42:06 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87poc2qdlj.fsf@holos> (Mark Oteiza's message of "Fri, 11 Aug 2017 12:22:00 -0400") Message-ID: <2ka834hedt.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28048 Cc: 28048@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Mark Oteiza wrote: > I suppose the complaint is that "loading" semantic (or whatever happens > to get loaded when trying to get help on the semantic-mode function) is > invoking a python process. emacs -Q -l lisp/cedet/semantic/wisent/python.el starts a python process due to semantic-python-get-system-include-path and its use of python-shell-internal-send-string. Doesn't seem like a bug to me? > Is there a bug associated with the new C-h f behaviour? I don't know, is there? ;) > Loading libraries unexpectedly sounds bad. I think you'll have to give more details, because obviously someone (Stefan) thought this was a desirable feature. (The C-h f aspect does seem under-explained in NEWS, but that's par for the course. And IIUC it cannot be disabled, unlike the older feature controlled by help-enable-auto-load.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Aug 12 13:46:40 2017 Received: (at 28048) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Aug 2017 17:46:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57403 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dgaUi-0004Ib-55 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 13:46:40 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:36112) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dgaUf-0004IP-Pz for 28048@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 13:46:38 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dgaUZ-0004BD-QV for 28048@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 13:46:32 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:53113) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dgaUV-0004AC-V8; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 13:46:27 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1dgaUV-0007EB-J7; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 13:46:27 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Mark Oteiza Subject: Re: bug#28048: 26.0.50; behaviour of C-h f semantic-mode References: <87poc22mjg.fsf@holos> <2mlgmq14t5.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87poc2qdlj.fsf@holos> <2ka834hedt.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Spook: Extremism Screening Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb asset X-Ran: Jc@dk)AkF;>>& X-Hue: brightgreen X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 13:46:27 -0400 In-Reply-To: <2ka834hedt.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (Glenn Morris's message of "Sat, 12 Aug 2017 13:42:06 -0400") Message-ID: <560dshe6k.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28048 Cc: 28048@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Glenn Morris wrote: >> Is there a bug associated with the new C-h f behaviour? > > I don't know, is there? ;) Oh, sorry: I thought you were being philosophical, but I guess you meant is there an existing report. :) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 26 09:10:48 2017 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Sep 2017 13:10:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59872 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dwpdP-0006sI-Dh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 09:10:47 -0400 Received: from mail-qt0-f176.google.com ([209.85.216.176]:46153) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dwpdO-0006s6-3r for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 09:10:46 -0400 Received: by mail-qt0-f176.google.com with SMTP id s18so10200649qta.3 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 06:10:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=udel-edu.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=date:from:to:message-id:mime-version:content-disposition:user-agent; bh=HRS+hCmdbpV8HLog7eTC7LPMEOIxdkF59xjctVgN97Y=; b=HA9DZ9DYBcJzPAI+jhS7CNjMvDaVpefhZBzchc9phfV+msM1It63RsN7Dv4GDmUgOk P5UkZ6FnRPFgRL4sDEsQ9R3QSL3LKW6hd3AsoJOk0gYgsMltJFVFgl1kSNcARSDDltUy LrKbKbI9AZ3CJntXc6t4envIpAtqIR3uT7fNLTGA93Kwh3LHdj30iORsn140tdCBc+W1 R6l8bEyVys94QZZebWPxh6MsWSWX83Yo43GmeYbel0PRqrXieXM+1evZB1EN+RLIRzpp 1KPwImoIGyIdrCqWGq/L21+TorYVmn9X49tju0GTiQ1OVqvaFlWSsmlikXgdGyH88HK9 /T5Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:message-id:mime-version :content-disposition:user-agent; bh=HRS+hCmdbpV8HLog7eTC7LPMEOIxdkF59xjctVgN97Y=; b=nAccuE//W/kikMqol7vDxm964RpxfFZh8Ozws91y0ub3Q31DQY0Ome7sbnKMtWoIVz TRmG6jzx9Tscp11BYpK/ldZhNPYRZYei8MI/92NZd2MBVO6+WoKRg8zLBIHd4H/SnHqY 1EW1W586xDPof3OTkwoXI8px67/EhvU4BPyd9pX5quU9ip2l4u0IPc/w/fqu9V0LtkJT 3NEKA1R6HNEa7KeOkgE0pVpKEKuOpRu+nzIMlnFmcDi0kMbOBrGh+x5WMkhRRPFyWOJ2 6VsuXHFy/m5SZwLU4QfAFspw7oYXF5w7NNEaRmEWiODf3MR1MX2LzKOuQNfYI8L6r725 /c3Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AHPjjUhddIFNs2xs26u/x/LEK4K5+zvr3fPRUaHB4rdiw+AJv2cMfe49 FVTwPO4NYHU4Fp05IdtewRsPCWWjtOI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QDo+HZVrhhS4K8TsTs5lJDKdVFFP8CLbVeULgVJNQ09Y3JOdE1KX6Lw3N1Z3DLAQ6y9cDhwKA== X-Received: by 10.200.33.186 with SMTP id 55mr15806751qty.300.1506431440387; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 06:10:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from logos.localdomain (pool-173-67-36-61.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net. 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[45.2.119.34]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s4sm1383225ioc.76.2019.05.15.19.12.34 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Wed, 15 May 2019 19:12:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Noam Postavsky To: Mark Oteiza Subject: Re: bug#28607: 27.0.50; help-fns unsolicited elisp loading References: <87efqtoc9u.fsf@udel.edu> <3cvak51n96.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <20170926155126.kujypxt33oxbzxsq@logos.localdomain> <83in5xjzak.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 22:12:34 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Mark Oteiza's message of "Mon, 16 Jul 2018 09:03:36 -0400") Message-ID: <874l5vf8q5.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control Cc: Glenn Morris , Eli Zaretskii , 28607@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain tags 28607 + patch unarchive 28048 notfixed 28048 26.1 forcemerge 28607 28048 quit Mark Oteiza writes: > On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 9:29 PM, Glenn Morris wrote: >> >> What do you actually want to happen with this report? >> The feature is working as designed. >> Do you eg want an option to turn it off? >> (The existing help-enable-auto-load could perhaps be extended for this.) > > At minimum an option to disable it, which is what I'm already doing as > a workaround. Right, here's patch for that. I made a new option instead of extending help-enable-auto-load because otherwise I would have to think about how to dis/enable them each individually, which is annoying to encode in a single option. --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-diff Content-Disposition: inline; filename=0001-Add-option-to-disable-help-completion-autoloading-Bu.patch Content-Description: patch >From 2e3d84fc1d8457046a0aceed7e1f9837330a4365 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Noam Postavsky Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 20:29:38 -0400 Subject: [PATCH] Add option to disable help completion autoloading (Bug#28607) * lisp/help-fns.el (help-enable-completion-auto-load): New option. (help--symbol-completion-table): Consult it. * etc/NEWS: Announce it. --- etc/NEWS | 6 ++++++ lisp/help-fns.el | 18 +++++++++++++++--- 2 files changed, 21 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-) diff --git a/etc/NEWS b/etc/NEWS index 573c8236b2..286f9ee275 100644 --- a/etc/NEWS +++ b/etc/NEWS @@ -24,6 +24,12 @@ with a prefix argument or by typing 'C-u C-h C-n'. * Changes in Emacs 26.3 +--- +** New option 'help-enable-completion-auto-load'. +This allows disabling the new feature introduced in Emacs 26.1 which +loads files during completion of 'C-h f' and 'C-h v' according to +'definition-prefixes'. + * Editing Changes in Emacs 26.3 diff --git a/lisp/help-fns.el b/lisp/help-fns.el index a7812e3b4b..8684a853af 100644 --- a/lisp/help-fns.el +++ b/lisp/help-fns.el @@ -89,11 +89,23 @@ help--load-prefixes (unless (help--loaded-p file) (load file 'noerror 'nomessage))))) +(defcustom help-enable-completion-auto-load t + "Whether completion for Help commands can perform autoloading. +If non-nil, whenever invoking completion for `describe-function' +or `describe-variable' load files that might contain definitions +with the current prefix. The files are chosen according to +`definition-prefixes'." + :type 'boolean + :group 'help + :version "26.3") + (defun help--symbol-completion-table (string pred action) - (let ((prefixes (radix-tree-prefixes (help-definition-prefixes) string))) - (help--load-prefixes prefixes)) + (when help-enable-completion-auto-load + (let ((prefixes (radix-tree-prefixes (help-definition-prefixes) string))) + (help--load-prefixes prefixes))) (let ((prefix-completions - (mapcar #'intern (all-completions string definition-prefixes)))) + (and help-enable-completion-auto-load + (mapcar #'intern (all-completions string definition-prefixes))))) (complete-with-action action obarray string (if pred (lambda (sym) (or (funcall pred sym) -- 2.11.0 --=-=-=-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue May 21 07:45:37 2019 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 May 2019 11:45:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38806 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hT3D7-0004jo-5s for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 May 2019 07:45:37 -0400 Received: from mail-io1-f48.google.com ([209.85.166.48]:37056) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hT3D5-0004jT-81; Tue, 21 May 2019 07:45:35 -0400 Received: by mail-io1-f48.google.com with SMTP id u2so13662758ioc.4; Tue, 21 May 2019 04:45:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=qmLB7aQU054vaWz3Bj/C/m871HiKXmjO46EUq2TkQx8=; b=WxigvAfNgwv06BumHEPSJkA3krRSw8P7Q5n2Tj6D7ymLT2/ebkyL73xYQlPRqacEfn H3gyWOjOCzI2aF0xLQbRdxNK/jvLThuxobGEsy4tQB2vkdOoA7Q8/HSg7+N8CBGzqVWB Mn/MFH5NCu+j+2IW5/YTB98Ixq6k5A7tYG3095hn//1KypAw3weMSmmEk7/MKe/iDNfa hqKPRZDc/hjSJq2Ae4aHariOo6hjRlLk5SegTtMqDfxEiq5LFSvRXPsa+KUdj6mGJfUr psDFsOS9eX+xRB/f+vnUsvzVRmPAKD5xdtoYIoe0zqOcAWxECXb26q/htj74VlqT8sJt /yTQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=qmLB7aQU054vaWz3Bj/C/m871HiKXmjO46EUq2TkQx8=; b=HNhl69/N5CBm2N8fbvDbmL1yno3Gk34oGvBgIbabmdzVf9VIM4UvTjQIdRQxY9Zu/P g3innhSTY1Nc70TXwRohg2aAMddSOk4z4l2Y8d8zvhQAP6OenOogSp7/E5oaXH7z2QOF X+yGfr6ny05Atns+4XzQOq9IxJrpJ9mrXrM8mdPGtsKVw9ZFOth8gx5nb+eacn71G/zT 1kuw5hbuHaZ7cRQ/WmwcdcMK1UsCujvxSGL3dxA37SSM2rHex7Z1sNHhBYzyZe1y4BPa 8RLaqWeN0qSvzb/j4TFkWK4NwJ6n92OMckmBcIJ237zm/ZBlOwNYfNVvXJeLRtRAMVP/ aWmg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUkKUH3NKuvH7Nlvs5oQKpd3GJTHn4CYmg1Z/iigOHBjN3lhirQ 2vMCQi4QGE6PY1dsOkyFR828MtLv X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwYOYuppdJktOqXaAQ9YSvSAoXnV6WUBiH+lM/uY+hKW5eoe2xtmqUfW83NY4x5gYf6b1gtWQ== X-Received: by 2002:a6b:c411:: with SMTP id y17mr12351676ioa.265.1558439126339; Tue, 21 May 2019 04:45:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from minid (cbl-45-2-119-34.yyz.frontiernetworks.ca. [45.2.119.34]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h23sm6531175ior.70.2019.05.21.04.45.24 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Tue, 21 May 2019 04:45:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Noam Postavsky To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#28607: 27.0.50; help-fns unsolicited elisp loading References: <87efqtoc9u.fsf@udel.edu> <3cvak51n96.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <20170926155126.kujypxt33oxbzxsq@logos.localdomain> <83in5xjzak.fsf@gnu.org> <874l5vf8q5.fsf@gmail.com> <83sgtecyen.fsf@gnu.org> <87tvdrda6j.fsf@gmail.com> <83woin91sj.fsf@gnu.org> <875zq5audt.fsf@gmail.com> <177F0F6E-C039-4B16-BE38-801C32720337@gnu.org> Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 07:45:23 -0400 In-Reply-To: <177F0F6E-C039-4B16-BE38-801C32720337@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 20 May 2019 20:01:08 +0100") Message-ID: <87lfz09gks.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control Cc: mvoteiza@udel.edu, rgm@gnu.org, 28607@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) tags 28607 fixed close 28607 26.3 quit >> > I think a "@cindex autoload by prefix" would be good here. >> > I would add a cross-reference to where update-file-autoloads is >> > described after it's mentioned. > You don't hzve to add @anchor, it's good enough to point to the node. Ah right, that would be simpler. Done and pushed to emacs-26. 400907b3c1 2019-05-21T07:37:22-04:00 "Add option to disable help completion autoloading (Bug#28607)" https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/?id=400907b3c1d94359dda38ad5f416829567d6e478 From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:04:36 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 11:24:05 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator