From unknown Tue Aug 19 10:02:39 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#2792: 23.0.90; doc string of switch-to-buffer Reply-To: "Drew Adams" , 2792@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:45:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 2792 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.123809995729769 (code B ref -1); Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:45:03 +0000 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 26 Mar 2009 20:39:17 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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This is just helpful information, not a warning. Warnings are for things that are inherently dangerous. In GNU Emacs 23.0.90.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2009-02-01 on SOFT-MJASON Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4)' From unknown Tue Aug 19 10:02:39 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#2792: 23.0.90; doc string of switch-to-buffer Reply-To: Stefan Monnier , 2792@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 00:30:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 2792 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.123811341226589 (code B ref -1); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 00:30:03 +0000 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 27 Mar 2009 00:23:32 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=4.0 tests=HAS_BUG_NUMBER,XIRONPORT autolearn=unavailable version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n2R0NSY2026575 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:23:30 -0700 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:40074) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Lmzr6-0001pE-7Y for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:23:28 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Lmzr5-0003Hc-Ax for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:23:28 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.pppoe.ca ([206.248.154.182]:26515 helo=ironport2-out.teksavvy.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Lmzr4-0003HQ-W1 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:23:27 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEAH+5y0lFxIfy/2dsb2JhbACBUM0ig3cGhHU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.38,429,1233550800"; d="scan'208";a="35745039" Received: from 69-196-135-242.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.135.242]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 26 Mar 2009 20:23:26 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 298717F74; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:23:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Drew Adams Cc: 2792@debbugs.gnu.org, Message-ID: References: <005e01c9ae52$e88a0340$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:23:25 -0400 In-Reply-To: <005e01c9ae52$e88a0340$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:39:06 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. > Get rid of the word "WARNING" in the doc string. This is just helpful > information, not a warning. Warnings are for things that are > inherently dangerous. It's inherently dangerous, in the sense that if I see a call to `switch-to-buffer' in some Elisp code, I know it's a bug (the counter examples are so rare they're not worth mentioning). Stefan From unknown Tue Aug 19 10:02:39 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#2792: 23.0.90; doc string of switch-to-buffer Reply-To: "Drew Adams" , 2792@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 01:00:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 2792 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.12381152071887 (code B ref -1); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 01:00:03 +0000 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 27 Mar 2009 00:53:27 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=4.0 tests=HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=unavailable version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n2R0rNVM001881 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:53:25 -0700 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:47692 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Ln0K3-0002hK-IT for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:53:23 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ln0K1-0003BH-Lj for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:53:23 -0400 Received: from acsinet12.oracle.com ([141.146.126.234]:26703) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ln0K1-0003Ar-5g for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:53:21 -0400 Received: from acsinet13.oracle.com (acsinet13.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by acsinet12.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n2R0qjmF022976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 00:52:47 GMT Received: from acsmt702.oracle.com (acsmt702.oracle.com [141.146.40.80]) by acsinet13.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n2R0rSSH015907; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 00:53:29 GMT Received: from dradamslap1 (/24.4.133.20) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 00:53:05 +0000 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Stefan Monnier'" Cc: <2792@debbugs.gnu.org>, References: <005e01c9ae52$e88a0340$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:53:03 -0700 Message-ID: <000901c9ae76$62f33610$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcmucmrqpD5GIFnJS8us6MkM5aqpLQAAwbVg X-Source-IP: acsmt702.oracle.com [141.146.40.80] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A010207.49CC2373.013B:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) > From: Stefan Monnier Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 5:23 PM > > Get rid of the word "WARNING" in the doc string. This is > > just helpful information, not a warning. Warnings are for > > things that are inherently dangerous. > > It's inherently dangerous, in the sense that if I see a call to > `switch-to-buffer' in some Elisp code, I know it's a bug (the counter > examples are so rare they're not worth mentioning). No, danger has nothing to do with this. Knowing that something is a bug is not knowing that there is a danger. A bug does not imply danger. Using "WARNING" for something that is not a warning dilutes its meaning. Use stronger language, if you like. Say, even, that it is most likely a bug to use it in Lisp code (or even a "****BUG!!!!****", if you're really so inclined). But don't use "WARNING". Use "WARNING" when you know that it is used in code that controls trains on the same track or nuclear missiles or anthrax tests. ;-) From unknown Tue Aug 19 10:02:39 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#2792: 23.0.90; doc string of switch-to-buffer Reply-To: "Drew Adams" , 2792@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 01:10:06 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 2792 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.12381157784545 (code B ref -1); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 01:10:06 +0000 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 27 Mar 2009 01:02:58 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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This is > > > just helpful information, not a warning. Warnings are for > > > things that are inherently dangerous. > > > > It's inherently dangerous, in the sense that if I see a call to > > `switch-to-buffer' in some Elisp code, I know it's a bug > > (the counter examples are so rare they're not worth mentioning). > > No, danger has nothing to do with this. > > Knowing that something is a bug is not knowing that there is > a danger. A bug does not imply danger. Using "WARNING" for > something that is not a warning dilutes its meaning. > > Use stronger language, if you like. Say, even, that it is > most likely a bug to use it in Lisp code (or even a > "****BUG!!!!****", if you're really so inclined). But don't > use "WARNING". > > Use "WARNING" when you know that it is used in code that > controls trains on the same track or nuclear missiles or > anthrax tests. ;-) Oh, BTW. Such diluted WARNINGs apparently do little good. That particular "WARNING" has been in Emacs since at least Emacs 20, yet there are over 600 grep hits for `switch-to-buffer' in the distributed Emacs 23 Lisp code. So much for the Chicken Little approach. From lekktu@gmail.com Fri Mar 27 02:08:24 2009 Received: (at control) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 27 Mar 2009 09:08:24 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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