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[69.174.136.231]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g198sm8933124itb.3.2017.07.19.05.37.32 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Wed, 19 Jul 2017 05:37:33 -0700 (PDT) From: eythanweg@gmail.com (Eythan Weg) To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 26.0.50; Calc b% and relch are inconsistent in algebraic and rpn modes Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 08:37:32 -0400 Message-ID: <8760eopppv.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) Start calc. 1 2 b% you get on the stack 100% type 'relch(1,2) and you get 1 on the stack. In GNU Emacs 26.0.50 (build 7, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.22.6) of 2017-07-09 built on pascal Repository revision: bb2ea81bc569bdc51e1c9af1c503a22fb95e4384 Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11903000 System Description: Debian GNU/Linux unstable (sid) Recent messages: For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. 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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 14:54:01 +0200 In-Reply-To: <8760eopppv.fsf@gmail.com> (Eythan Weg's message of "Wed, 19 Jul 2017 08:37:32 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 27765 Cc: 27765@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) On Jul 19 2017, eythanweg@gmail.com (Eythan Weg) wrote: > Start calc. > 1 > 2 > b% > > you get on the stack 100% > > type 'relch(1,2) > and you get 1 on the stack. 100% == 1, so they are the same. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, SUSE Labs, schwab@suse.de GPG Key fingerprint = 0196 BAD8 1CE9 1970 F4BE 1748 E4D4 88E3 0EEA B9D7 "And now for something completely different." 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[69.174.136.231]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w139sm141486ita.8.2017.07.19.06.49.55 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Wed, 19 Jul 2017 06:49:55 -0700 (PDT) From: eythanweg@gmail.com (Eythan Weg) To: Andreas Schwab Subject: Re: bug#27765: 26.0.50; Calc b% and relch are inconsistent in algebraic and rpn modes References: <8760eopppv.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 09:49:49 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Andreas Schwab's message of "Wed, 19 Jul 2017 14:54:01 +0200") Message-ID: <871spcpmde.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 27765 Cc: 27765@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Andreas Schwab Wed, 19 Jul 2017 14:54:01 +0200 >On Jul 19 2017, eythanweg@gmail.com (Eythan Weg) wrote: =20=20=20 >> Start calc. >> 1 >> 2 >> b% >> >> you get on the stack 100% >> >> type 'relch(1,2) >> and you get 1 on the stack. =20=20=20 >100% =3D=3D 1, so they are the same. Agreed. However, the displays are different. Won=E2=80=99t expect b% and r= elch behaves exactly the same? Perhaps it does not matter. But calc provides c % and =3D for conversions from one display to the other. What for, then? >Andreas. =20=20=20 >--=20 >Andreas Schwab, SUSE Labs, schwab@suse.de >GPG Key fingerprint =3D 0196 BAD8 1CE9 1970 F4BE 1748 E4D4 88E3 0EEA B9D7 >"And now for something completely different." Eythan=20 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 19 10:10:57 2017 Received: (at 27765) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jul 2017 14:10:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47978 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dXpgm-0003Q3-R0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 10:10:57 -0400 Received: from mx2.suse.de ([195.135.220.15]:36557 helo=mx1.suse.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dXpgl-0003Pv-Aw for 27765@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 10:10:55 -0400 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at test-mx.suse.de Received: from relay1.suse.de (charybdis-ext.suse.de [195.135.220.254]) by mx1.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 502FDAAC5; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 14:10:54 +0000 (UTC) From: Andreas Schwab To: eythanweg@gmail.com (Eythan Weg) Subject: Re: bug#27765: 26.0.50; Calc b% and relch are inconsistent in algebraic and rpn modes References: <8760eopppv.fsf@gmail.com> <871spcpmde.fsf@gmail.com> X-Yow: I'm into SOFTWARE! Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 16:10:52 +0200 In-Reply-To: <871spcpmde.fsf@gmail.com> (Eythan Weg's message of "Wed, 19 Jul 2017 09:49:49 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 27765 Cc: 27765@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) On Jul 19 2017, eythanweg@gmail.com (Eythan Weg) wrote: > Agreed. However, the displays are different. Won’t expect b% and relch > behaves exactly the same? That's called convenience, probably. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, SUSE Labs, schwab@suse.de GPG Key fingerprint = 0196 BAD8 1CE9 1970 F4BE 1748 E4D4 88E3 0EEA B9D7 "And now for something completely different." 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[69.174.136.231]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j96sm267903ioo.49.2017.07.19.10.59.28 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Wed, 19 Jul 2017 10:59:28 -0700 (PDT) From: eythanweg@gmail.com (Eythan Weg) To: Andreas Schwab Subject: Re: bug#27765: 26.0.50; Calc b% and relch are inconsistent in algebraic and rpn modes References: <8760eopppv.fsf@gmail.com> <871spcpmde.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 13:59:27 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Andreas Schwab's message of "Wed, 19 Jul 2017 16:10:52 +0200") Message-ID: <87k234nw8w.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 27765 Cc: 27765@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Andreas Schwab Wed, 19 Jul 2017 16:10:52 +0200 >On Jul 19 2017, eythanweg@gmail.com (Eythan Weg) wrote: =20=20=20 >> Agreed. However, the displays are different. Won=E2=80=99t expect b% a= nd relch >> behaves exactly the same? =20=20=20 >That's called convenience, probably. A little more than that. E.g. the org-mode speadsheet uses calc. Summing cells which display percentages like 10% and 90%, one expects the result to be 100% rather than 1. Here the uniform display of percentages is significant, I would say. Curiosity lead me to check the same operation on libreoffice and gnumeric. They both adhere to the expected. >Andreas. Eythan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Sep 03 04:12:29 2021 Received: (at 27765) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Sep 2021 08:12:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42831 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mM4JJ-0005ma-0U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 03 Sep 2021 04:12:29 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:54864) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mM4JH-0005mK-H2 for 27765@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 03 Sep 2021 04:12:28 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID :In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=OB1dCFhurdd9ZCVHtC7WkkcbfP0t7C1E+Kv1mZOvPtg=; b=l6yCzX3zokzxZ76cp+g+LhBQ5y C6n+MwH7qgTH0XTft0KPs7JDDy05j3MMv5wlu97HhJlSnpWfHw0ovn8HqllLqjRZFLNmZMVS3kPKT OxVRo9dmOxecp4G5YWhuheGNpDSydUkJpdv3t6kyEpEpKFICYqjTfHFwU2n3tCmazF1A=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mM4J8-0006r3-Dc; Fri, 03 Sep 2021 10:12:20 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: eythanweg@gmail.com (Eythan Weg) Subject: Re: bug#27765: 26.0.50; Calc b% and relch are inconsistent in algebraic and rpn modes References: <8760eopppv.fsf@gmail.com> <871spcpmde.fsf@gmail.com> <87k234nw8w.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2021 10:12:17 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87k234nw8w.fsf@gmail.com> (Eythan Weg's message of "Wed, 19 Jul 2017 13:59:27 -0400") Message-ID: <87y28e13j2.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: eythanweg@gmail.com (Eythan Weg) writes: > >> Agreed. However, the displays are different. Won’t expect b% and relch > >> behaves exactly the same? > > >That's called convenience, probably. > > A little more than that. E.g. the org-mode sp [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 27765 Cc: Andreas Schwab , 27765@debbugs.gnu.org, Mattias =?utf-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) eythanweg@gmail.com (Eythan Weg) writes: > >> Agreed. However, the displays are different. Won=E2=80=99t expect b%= and relch > >> behaves exactly the same? > > >That's called convenience, probably. > > A little more than that. E.g. the org-mode speadsheet uses calc. > Summing cells which display percentages like 10% and 90%, one expects > the result to be 100% rather than 1. Here the uniform display of > percentages is significant, I would say. > > Curiosity lead me to check the same operation on libreoffice and gnumeric. > They both adhere to the expected. As far as I can tell, relch isn't documented to display the percentage in one format or another (i.e., "50%" or "0.5"), while `b %' is documented to do "50%". I don't use calc much, but I think the current behaviour makes sense -- a function like relch might be supposed to use the format "0.5" since that's what more math-ey types are used to seeing relative change represented as. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: 3 sep. 2021 kl. 10.12 skrev Lars Ingebrigtsen : > But perhaps others have other opinions; I've added Mattias to the CCs -- > perhaps he has some comments. I'm afraid I have nothing clever to say about it. It seems understandable that `relch`, or `calcFunc-relch` in Lisp, follows the convention of just returning the value and not concern itself with its [...] Content analysis details: (1.4 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 1.0 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) 0.4 KHOP_HELO_FCRDNS Relay HELO differs from its IP's reverse DNS X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 27765 Cc: Andreas Schwab , Eythan Weg , 27765@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) 3 sep. 2021 kl. 10.12 skrev Lars Ingebrigtsen : > But perhaps others have other opinions; I've added Mattias to the CCs = -- > perhaps he has some comments. I'm afraid I have nothing clever to say about it. It seems = understandable that `relch`, or `calcFunc-relch` in Lisp, follows the = convention of just returning the value and not concern itself with its = presentation. `b%` is an interactive command and therefore may take an = interest in how the result is presented to the user. A weak argument, = but perhaps it makes some sort of sense. I have no idea what would break if we changed `calcFunc-relch` to return = something like `(calcFunc-percent 25)` instead of 0.25. Maybe it just = works. Regarding the uniform display of percentages in org-mode: spreadsheet = applications tend to use formatting of cells or columns when a certain = presentation (like percentage or a certain number of decimals) is = desirable. On the other hand, some functions in popular spreadsheets do = return values adorned with a presentation hint; this is the case for = financial functions that compute interest, for example. Maybe Calc assumes that someone who uses b% is a HP-12C type of person = and wants a percentage, while those using algebraic mode get plain = values. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Sep 03 10:56:57 2021 Received: (at 27765) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Sep 2021 14:56:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45707 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mMAcj-0004RC-5k for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 03 Sep 2021 10:56:57 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:59136) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mMAch-0004Qr-Co for 27765@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 03 Sep 2021 10:56:56 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID :In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=9aogjZoMU2VDxLYUeoaqC3O7Gpwcs6uf2f+EyeAj7AI=; b=C0P3Kn0Q5ixgTD//Y/sXyiAB5e fO3pz1/NQYepCvpGgeNz5h5G/zos8a2V8/nccQlkgCISlobeRLO1kXZlR915OzklbqahXnArAHKJU GyWcvQ3KbTacAoexq7mDZB8dLkHOXVuDo7tTPb5YYH8KuymQUPOf7eZMjYumMEDpYt3g=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mMAcX-0006BV-Qc; Fri, 03 Sep 2021 16:56:48 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Mattias =?utf-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= Subject: Re: bug#27765: 26.0.50; Calc b% and relch are inconsistent in algebraic and rpn modes References: <8760eopppv.fsf@gmail.com> <871spcpmde.fsf@gmail.com> <87k234nw8w.fsf@gmail.com> <87y28e13j2.fsf@gnus.org> <58A8A2B5-D624-4279-811C-3E652A449BBD@acm.org> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2021 16:56:45 +0200 In-Reply-To: <58A8A2B5-D624-4279-811C-3E652A449BBD@acm.org> ("Mattias =?utf-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd=22's?= message of "Fri, 3 Sep 2021 11:22:15 +0200") Message-ID: <87v93hvhaq.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Mattias Engdegård writes: > Maybe Calc assumes that someone who uses b% is a HP-12C type of person > and wants a percentage, while those using algebraic mode get plain > values. Yeah, quite likely, so I'm closing thing bug report. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 27765 Cc: Andreas Schwab , Eythan Weg , 27765@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Mattias Engdeg=C3=A5rd writes: > Maybe Calc assumes that someone who uses b% is a HP-12C type of person > and wants a percentage, while those using algebraic mode get plain > values. Yeah, quite likely, so I'm closing thing bug report. (Note that I'm not against changing this is somebody has a convincing argument why it should be changed -- but I think if we change the behaviour of something like this, the change should be obviously and clearly for the better, and this is more of an "uhm... 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Content preview: tags 27765 wontfix close 27765 quit Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) tags 27765 wontfix close 27765 quit From unknown Fri Aug 15 02:02:57 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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