From unknown Wed Aug 20 05:43:25 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#27574 <27574@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#27574 <27574@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 25.2; `Info-use-header-line' documentation Reply-To: bug#27574 <27574@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2025 12:43:25 +0000 retitle 27574 25.2; `Info-use-header-line' documentation reassign 27574 emacs submitter 27574 Drew Adams severity 27574 minor tag 27574 wontfix thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 04 15:24:42 2017 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jul 2017 19:24:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52486 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dSTRC-0002uQ-Eo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2017 15:24:42 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54220) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dSTR9-0002uD-HP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2017 15:24:40 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dSTR3-0000aq-No for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2017 15:24:34 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:56776) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dSTR3-0000ad-Kz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2017 15:24:33 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45191) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dSTR2-0007kd-K8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2017 15:24:33 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dSTQy-0000W6-Mv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2017 15:24:32 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:50903) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dSTQy-0000Uo-Am for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2017 15:24:28 -0400 Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id v64JOODm027065 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2017 19:24:24 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v64JON3b018217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2017 19:24:23 GMT Received: from abhmp0007.oracle.com (abhmp0007.oracle.com [141.146.116.13]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v64JOLOB025634 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2017 19:24:22 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 12:24:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 25.2; `Info-use-header-line' documentation X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6770.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) The doc should say that toggling the value has no effect if Info has already been opened. It's not even enough to quit Info. Apparently you must kill any `Info-mode' buffers and then open Info again, to see the change. This is not obvious. In GNU Emacs 25.2.1 (x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2017-04-24 built on LAPHROAIG Windowing system distributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: 'configure --without-dbus --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static -g3'' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 21 11:24:23 2019 Received: (at 27574) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jul 2019 15:24:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59313 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpDhH-0000U8-HG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 11:24:23 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:59618) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpDhG-0000Tz-91 for 27574@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 11:24:22 -0400 Received: from [80.169.244.84] (helo=sandy) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hpDhC-000512-67; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 17:24:20 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#27574: 25.2; `Info-use-header-line' documentation References: Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 17:24:17 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 4 Jul 2017 12:24:19 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <8736iz5s2m.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Drew Adams writes: > The doc should say that toggling the value has no effect if Info has > already been opened. It's not even enough to quit Info. 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This doesn't seem to be the case on the trunk, at least -- following any link in the Info buffer then gives you a display that respects this variable. I think that's acceptable, and doesn't need clarification in the variable doc string. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 21 11:24:29 2019 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jul 2019 15:24:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59316 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpDhM-0000UR-Ou for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 11:24:29 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:59632) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpDhK-0000UJ-VW for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 11:24:27 -0400 Received: from [80.169.244.84] (helo=sandy) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hpDhI-000519-95 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 17:24:26 +0200 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 17:24:23 +0200 Message-Id: <871ryj5s2g.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #27574 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: tags 27574 wontfix close 27574 quit Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) tags 27574 wontfix close 27574 quit From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 21 11:53:51 2019 Received: (at 27574) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jul 2019 15:53:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59354 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpE9n-0005aF-6Q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 11:53:51 -0400 Received: from userp2130.oracle.com ([156.151.31.86]:54546) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpE9l-0005Zx-70 for 27574@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 11:53:49 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id x6LFnwud069203; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 15:53:42 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2018-07-02; bh=cOFyqNYE1DDbm8C9WTvaL8hFArbNQ0B2OOW9lbfTM98=; b=a34F0PIDsQiTmeC34eoDX89ccj/JYq4PN8ZaLM7pveIVTU6V8v/10XbaCqz/KmTBO/nH Z3vxpmKk5bOjo1n77Rj5a3E9ao041MUosobbONUZ+piKHmdfSwkCYtAtN55vQpdKjbHM yoLZR7AKfadd7rmmqeWg9HJom8h5crTjooxFTs88J7xLGraiZSo51tqVlm066m7qFSHb +pIE5Val3/cVGetQPUUm0ywehRbaHaf50e5tZpvY69PgOjcnAiv/ZiLsblvlLzgasx1l HjXGX9eRy+FRwyzPdDZlDOqWSCApF+cQCL3spMDRsz3n8riBgFmnPPIdgnDu5hSurhJl 8A== Received: from aserp3020.oracle.com (aserp3020.oracle.com [141.146.126.70]) by userp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2tutct32ke-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 21 Jul 2019 15:53:42 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id x6LFrf9Y067479; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 15:53:41 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2tuts2899x-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 21 Jul 2019 15:53:41 +0000 Received: from abhmp0004.oracle.com (abhmp0004.oracle.com [141.146.116.10]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id x6LFrNOD005932; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 15:53:23 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 08:53:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: RE: bug#27574: 25.2; `Info-use-header-line' documentation References: <8736iz5s2m.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <8736iz5s2m.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4873.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9325 signatures=668684 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1810050000 definitions=main-1907210189 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9325 signatures=668684 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1810050000 definitions=main-1907210189 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 27574 Cc: 27574@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > The doc should say that toggling the value has no effect if Info has > > already been opened. It's not even enough to quit Info. Apparently > you > > must kill any `Info-mode' buffers and then open Info again, to see > the > > change. This is not obvious. >=20 > This doesn't seem to be the case on the trunk, at least -- following > any > link in the Info buffer then gives you a display that respects this > variable. >=20 > I think that's acceptable, and doesn't need clarification in the > variable doc string. Yes, and no. The behavior is correct now, in the sense that the header line is no longer used by Info. But there is still/now a bug that the header line is still present. The bug report is still correct that to get rid of it you need to kill Info buffers and reopen Info. IOW, the bug is almost fixed - the important failure has been fixed. A residual problem is that if you change the option value we do not remove the (now empty, no longer used for Info) header line from existing Info buffers. Using `q' to quit Info does not kill the buffer (thank goodness). Changing the value of this option to turn it off should actually remove the header line. Info "not using" a header line means a bit more than just not using it for Info purposes (navigation etc.). It should mean that Info uses a header line. If the option is off then Info buffers should not have a header line. --- On the other hand, to be really clear, they should not use a header line created for Info. Ideally, we should keep track of whether a given header line was created for/by Info, and remove only that when the option is turned off. IOW, some other code/library could add its own header line (there can even be more than one, IIRC). Ideally, Info should not just remove _a_ header line. It should remove a header line that it created. --- In any case, most of this bug has been fixed. The problem that remains is minor compared to the problem that existed. 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