From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:18:19 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#2756: move SCCS later in vc-handled-backends Reply-To: Dan Nicolaescu , 2756@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Dan Nicolaescu Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:35:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 2756 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.123782923221184 (code B ref -1); Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:35:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 23 Mar 2009 17:27:12 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=4.0 tests=FOURLA,X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n2NHR9eR021178 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:27:10 -0700 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LlnvY-0003kP-R5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:27:08 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LlnvU-0003j5-9R for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:27:08 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=59533 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LlnvU-0003j0-0p for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:27:04 -0400 Received: from sallyv2.ics.uci.edu ([128.195.1.120]:38309) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA1:24) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LlnvT-0007qc-Dg for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:27:03 -0400 Received: from godzilla.ics.uci.edu (godzilla.ics.uci.edu [128.195.10.101]) by sallyv2.ics.uci.edu (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7) with ESMTP id n2NHPLpX013522 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:25:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dann@localhost) by godzilla.ics.uci.edu (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.6/Submit) id n2NHPLF1011557; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:25:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:25:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200903231725.n2NHPLF1011557@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> From: Dan Nicolaescu To: bug-gnu-emacs Lines: 9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ICS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ICS-MailScanner-ID: n2NHPLpX013522 X-ICS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ICS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.44, required 5, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44) X-ICS-MailScanner-From: dann@godzilla.ics.uci.edu X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) SCCS should be moved after later in the vc-handled-backends list, after the modern VCs. Opening any file costs a call to vc-sccs-registered vc-sccs-search-project-dir (and whatever they call). SCCS is not really popular nowadays, and that should be reflected on the vc-handled-backends list. From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:18:19 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#2756: move SCCS later in vc-handled-backends Reply-To: Stefan Monnier , 2756@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:25:05 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 2756 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.12378394233048 (code B ref -1); Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:25:05 +0000 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 23 Mar 2009 20:17:03 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=4.0 tests=FOURLA,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=unavailable version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n2NKH0TK003039 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:17:01 -0700 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LlqZw-0002mR-3m for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:17:00 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LlqZr-0002m3-I8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:16:59 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=48537 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LlqZr-0002m0-F9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:16:55 -0400 Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]:36440) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LlqZr-0000q9-7Y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:16:55 -0400 Received: from faina.iro.umontreal.ca (faina.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.26.177]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n2NKGnhd004257; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:16:49 -0400 Received: by faina.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id C11B180B49; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:16:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Dan Nicolaescu Cc: 2756@debbugs.gnu.org, bug-gnu-emacs Message-ID: References: <200903231725.n2NHPLF1011557@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:16:49 -0400 In-Reply-To: <200903231725.n2NHPLF1011557@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> (Dan Nicolaescu's message of "Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:25:21 -0700 (PDT)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV3237=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) > SCCS should be moved after later in the vc-handled-backends list, after > the modern VCs. > Opening any file costs a call to vc-sccs-registered > vc-sccs-search-project-dir (and whatever they call). No matter where SCCS is in the vc-handled-backends list, those functions will be run for any file that is not version controlled, which is likely to be a very common case. > SCCS is not really popular nowadays, Same thing for RCS, indeed. > and that should be reflected on the vc-handled-backends list. We could remove backends from the list based on the presence/absence of the corresponding executable(s). Stefan From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:18:19 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#2756: move SCCS later in vc-handled-backends Reply-To: Dan Nicolaescu , 2756@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Dan Nicolaescu Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:00:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 2756 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 2756-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B2756.123784513228417 (code B ref 2756); Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:00:04 +0000 Received: (at 2756) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 23 Mar 2009 21:52:12 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.9 required=4.0 tests=FOURLA,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from barrelv2.ics.uci.edu (barrelv2.ics.uci.edu [128.195.1.114]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n2NLq9ee028410 for <2756@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:52:10 -0700 Received: from godzilla.ics.uci.edu (godzilla.ics.uci.edu [128.195.10.101]) by barrelv2.ics.uci.edu (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2NLpv6i013342; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dann@localhost) by godzilla.ics.uci.edu (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.6/Submit) id n2NLpuHT014920; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:51:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:51:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200903232151.n2NLpuHT014920@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> From: Dan Nicolaescu To: Stefan Monnier Cc: 2756@debbugs.gnu.org References: <200903231725.n2NHPLF1011557@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:16:49 -0400") Lines: 23 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ICS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ICS-MailScanner-ID: n2NLpv6i013342 X-ICS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ICS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.44, required 5, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44) X-ICS-MailScanner-From: dann@godzilla.ics.uci.edu Stefan Monnier writes: > > SCCS should be moved after later in the vc-handled-backends list, after > > the modern VCs. > > Opening any file costs a call to vc-sccs-registered > > vc-sccs-search-project-dir (and whatever they call). > > No matter where SCCS is in the vc-handled-backends list, those functions > will be run for any file that is not version controlled, which is likely > to be a very common case. > > > SCCS is not really popular nowadays, > > Same thing for RCS, indeed. > > > and that should be reflected on the vc-handled-backends list. > > We could remove backends from the list based on the presence/absence of > the corresponding executable(s). Would that be acceptable for 23.1? If not, let's go for fixing the easier problem: moving SCCS later in the list of backends. From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:18:19 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#2756: move SCCS later in vc-handled-backends Reply-To: Stefan Monnier , 2756@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:20:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 2756 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 2756-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B2756.12378465112707 (code B ref 2756); Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:20:02 +0000 Received: (at 2756) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 23 Mar 2009 22:15:11 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=4.0 tests=FOURLA,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, XIRONPORT autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com (ironport2-out.pppoe.ca [206.248.154.182]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n2NMF6VN001885 for <2756@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:15:07 -0700 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEAAOUx0lFxIZP/2dsb2JhbACBUNBKg34GhGeCLA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.38,410,1233550800"; d="scan'208";a="35554591" Received: from 69-196-134-79.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([69.196.134.79]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 23 Mar 2009 18:15:00 -0400 Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 585FEB44A5; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:15:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Dan Nicolaescu Cc: 2756@debbugs.gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200903231725.n2NHPLF1011557@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <200903232151.n2NLpuHT014920@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:15:00 -0400 In-Reply-To: <200903232151.n2NLpuHT014920@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> (Dan Nicolaescu's message of "Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:51:56 -0700 (PDT)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> > SCCS should be moved after later in the vc-handled-backends list, after >> > the modern VCs. >> > Opening any file costs a call to vc-sccs-registered >> > vc-sccs-search-project-dir (and whatever they call). >> >> No matter where SCCS is in the vc-handled-backends list, those functions >> will be run for any file that is not version controlled, which is likely >> to be a very common case. >> >> > SCCS is not really popular nowadays, >> >> Same thing for RCS, indeed. >> >> > and that should be reflected on the vc-handled-backends list. >> >> We could remove backends from the list based on the presence/absence of >> the corresponding executable(s). > Would that be acceptable for 23.1? No. > If not, let's go for fixing the easier problem: moving SCCS later in the > list of backends. What problem? And in what way is it a fix for it? Stefan From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:18:19 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#2756: move SCCS later in vc-handled-backends Reply-To: Dan Nicolaescu , 2756@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Dan Nicolaescu Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:30:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 2756 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 2756-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B2756.12378469924510 (code B ref 2756); Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:30:03 +0000 Received: (at 2756) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 23 Mar 2009 22:23:12 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.9 required=4.0 tests=FOURLA,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from barrelv2.ics.uci.edu (barrelv2.ics.uci.edu [128.195.1.114]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n2NMN9Es004496 for <2756@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:23:10 -0700 Received: from godzilla.ics.uci.edu (godzilla.ics.uci.edu [128.195.10.101]) by barrelv2.ics.uci.edu (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2NMMkSY021198; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:22:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dann@localhost) by godzilla.ics.uci.edu (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.6/Submit) id n2NMMkHl015277; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:22:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:22:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200903232222.n2NMMkHl015277@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> From: Dan Nicolaescu To: Stefan Monnier Cc: 2756@debbugs.gnu.org References: <200903231725.n2NHPLF1011557@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <200903232151.n2NLpuHT014920@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:15:00 -0400") Lines: 6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ICS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ICS-MailScanner-ID: n2NMMkSY021198 X-ICS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ICS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.44, required 5, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44) X-ICS-MailScanner-From: dann@godzilla.ics.uci.edu Stefan Monnier writes: > What problem? And in what way is it a fix for it? The fact that SCCS generates unnecessary work for all files managed by bzr, git, hg (which is a good number nowadays). From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:18:19 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#2756: move SCCS later in vc-handled-backends Reply-To: Stefan Monnier , 2756@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 23:55:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 2756 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 2756-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B2756.123785222528056 (code B ref 2756); Mon, 23 Mar 2009 23:55:04 +0000 Received: (at 2756) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 23 Mar 2009 23:50:25 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=4.0 tests=FOURLA,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, XIRONPORT autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com (ironport2-out.teksavvy.com [206.248.154.182]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n2NNoKdC028050 for <2756@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:50:22 -0700 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEANW8x0lFxIZP/2dsb2JhbACBUNByg34GhGeCLA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.38,410,1233550800"; d="scan'208";a="35557238" Received: from 69-196-134-79.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([69.196.134.79]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 23 Mar 2009 19:50:15 -0400 Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id D6C1BB44A5; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:50:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Dan Nicolaescu Cc: 2756@debbugs.gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200903231725.n2NHPLF1011557@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <200903232151.n2NLpuHT014920@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <200903232222.n2NMMkHl015277@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:50:14 -0400 In-Reply-To: <200903232222.n2NMMkHl015277@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> (Dan Nicolaescu's message of "Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:22:46 -0700 (PDT)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> What problem? And in what way is it a fix for it? > The fact that SCCS generates unnecessary work for all files managed by > bzr, git, hg (which is a good number nowadays). Unnecessary work is not a problem in and of itself. And, if this unnecessary work is a problem for Bzr, Git, or Hg files, it's even more problematic for all the non-revision controlled files which additionally need to do unnecessary work to determine that they're neither under Git, Bzr, nor Hg control. So changing the order won't make much of a difference, other than hide the problem in the particular case where you're lucky enough to access a file under the right VCS. Stefan From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:18:19 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#2756: move SCCS later in vc-handled-backends Reply-To: Dan Nicolaescu , 2756@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Dan Nicolaescu Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 15:50:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 2756 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 2756-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B2756.12386006977890 (code B ref 2756); Wed, 01 Apr 2009 15:50:04 +0000 Received: (at 2756) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 1 Apr 2009 15:44:57 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.9 required=4.0 tests=FOURLA,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from sallyv2.ics.uci.edu (sallyv2.ics.uci.edu [128.195.1.120]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n31FisRs007883 for <2756@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:44:55 -0700 Received: from godzilla.ics.uci.edu (godzilla.ics.uci.edu [128.195.10.101]) by sallyv2.ics.uci.edu (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n31FicEk002306; Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dann@localhost) by godzilla.ics.uci.edu (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.6/Submit) id n31Ficb4003367; Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200904011544.n31Ficb4003367@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> From: Dan Nicolaescu To: Stefan Monnier Cc: 2756@debbugs.gnu.org References: <200903231725.n2NHPLF1011557@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <200903232151.n2NLpuHT014920@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <200903232222.n2NMMkHl015277@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> Lines: 24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ICS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ICS-MailScanner-ID: n31FicEk002306 X-ICS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ICS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.44, required 5, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44) X-ICS-MailScanner-From: dann@godzilla.ics.uci.edu Stefan Monnier writes: > >> What problem? And in what way is it a fix for it? > > The fact that SCCS generates unnecessary work for all files managed by > > bzr, git, hg (which is a good number nowadays). > > Unnecessary work is not a problem in and of itself. No, but given that it's unnecessary, and that it will be unnecessary in the future too, why not get rid of it? > And, if this unnecessary work is a problem for Bzr, Git, or Hg files, > it's even more problematic for all the non-revision controlled files > which additionally need to do unnecessary work to determine that they're > neither under Git, Bzr, nor Hg control. So changing the order won't > make much of a difference, other than hide the problem in the particular > case where you're lucky enough to access a file under the right VCS. Yes, the thing is, what you are talking about above is a separate problem that cannot be solved at this point. Even more, the solution for that problem would not solve the problem or unnecessary checking for SCCS for systems that have sccs installed by default (i.e. about all commercial unixes and free ones that install cssc). So why not just move SCCS to the end of the list? From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:18:19 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#2756: move SCCS later in vc-handled-backends Reply-To: Stefan Monnier , 2756@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 16:00:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 2756 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 2756-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B2756.123860133411955 (code B ref 2756); Wed, 01 Apr 2009 16:00:03 +0000 Received: (at 2756) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 1 Apr 2009 15:55:34 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=4.0 tests=FOURLA,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, XIRONPORT autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com (ironport2-out.pppoe.ca [206.248.154.182]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n31FtUmV011920 for <2756@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:55:32 -0700 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmgFADQr00nO+Lq2/2dsb2JhbACBU885g3sGhH+CLg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.39,307,1235970000"; d="scan'208";a="36044738" Received: from 206-248-186-182.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([206.248.186.182]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 01 Apr 2009 11:55:25 -0400 Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id C0714B4124; Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:55:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Dan Nicolaescu Cc: 2756@debbugs.gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200903231725.n2NHPLF1011557@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <200903232151.n2NLpuHT014920@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <200903232222.n2NMMkHl015277@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <200904011544.n31Ficb4003367@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 11:55:24 -0400 In-Reply-To: <200904011544.n31Ficb4003367@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> (Dan Nicolaescu's message of "Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:44:38 -0700 (PDT)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> What problem? And in what way is it a fix for it? >> > The fact that SCCS generates unnecessary work for all files managed by >> > bzr, git, hg (which is a good number nowadays). >> Unnecessary work is not a problem in and of itself. > No, but given that it's unnecessary, and that it will be unnecessary in > the future too, why not get rid of it? >> And, if this unnecessary work is a problem for Bzr, Git, or Hg files, >> it's even more problematic for all the non-revision controlled files >> which additionally need to do unnecessary work to determine that they're >> neither under Git, Bzr, nor Hg control. So changing the order won't >> make much of a difference, other than hide the problem in the particular >> case where you're lucky enough to access a file under the right VCS. > Yes, the thing is, what you are talking about above is a separate problem > that cannot be solved at this point. > Even more, the solution for that problem would not solve the problem or > unnecessary checking for SCCS for systems that have sccs installed by > default (i.e. about all commercial unixes and free ones that install > cssc). So why not just move SCCS to the end of the list? Because we're in prestest so we limit ourselves to bug-fixes. Stefan From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:18:19 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#2756: Bug#2756 Reply-To: Glenn Morris , 2756-quiet@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Glenn Morris Resent-To: Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:10:20 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 2756 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 2756-quiet@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=Q2756.124578392930825 (code Q ref 2756); Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:10:20 +0000 Received: (at 2756-quiet) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 23 Jun 2009 19:05:29 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 required=4.0 tests=AWL,FAKE_REPLY_C,ONEWORD, X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n5NJ5OSr030811 for <2756-quiet@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:05:25 -0700 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MJBJ5-0005cl-OM; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:05:23 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: 2756-quiet@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spook: ANDVT diwn Firefly Security Council MD4 Serbian Syria X-Ran: q1~GS'k@;||UgC}/<`[HEPQc<@d@@wl0FCw1:PSXs*n'.O'#PN1fA8Jdiw8h}?wSgpaEnw X-Hue: magenta X-Attribution: GM Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:05:23 -0400 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Some discussion at http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2009-06/msg00421.html From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:18:19 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.427 (Entity 5.427) X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (Emacs bug Tracking System) To: Dan Nicolaescu Subject: bug#2756 closed by Dan Nicolaescu (Re: bug#2756: move SCCS later in vc-handled-backends) Message-ID: References: <200908261834.n7QIYhVX023388@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <200903231725.n2NHPLF1011557@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> X-Emacs-PR-Message: they-closed 2756 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 2756@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:40:06 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1251312006-16185-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1251312006-16185-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" This is an automatic notification regarding your bug report which was filed against the emacs package: #2756: move SCCS later in vc-handled-backends It has been closed by Dan Nicolaescu . Their explanation is attached below along with your original report. If this explanation is unsatisfactory and you have not received a better one in a separate message then please contact Dan Nicolaescu by replying to this email. --=20 2756: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D2756 Emacs Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1251312006-16185-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 2756-done) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 26 Aug 2009 18:35:13 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.6 required=4.0 tests=AWL,FOURLA,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from sallyv2.ics.uci.edu (sallyv2.ics.uci.edu [128.195.1.120]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n7QIZBFk015164 for <2756-done@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:35:12 -0700 Received: from godzilla.ics.uci.edu (godzilla.ics.uci.edu [128.195.10.101]) by sallyv2.ics.uci.edu (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n7QIYhsS017865 for <2756-done@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:34:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dann@localhost) by godzilla.ics.uci.edu (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.6/Submit) id n7QIYhVX023388; Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:34:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:34:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200908261834.n7QIYhVX023388@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> From: Dan Nicolaescu To: 2756-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#2756: move SCCS later in vc-handled-backends References: <200903231725.n2NHPLF1011557@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes In-Reply-To: <200903231725.n2NHPLF1011557@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> (Dan Nicolaescu's message of "Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:25:21 -0700 (PDT)") Lines: 12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ICS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ICS-MailScanner-ID: n7QIYhsS017865 X-ICS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ICS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.44, required 5, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44) X-ICS-MailScanner-From: dann@godzilla.ics.uci.edu Dan Nicolaescu writes: > SCCS should be moved after later in the vc-handled-backends list, after > the modern VCs. > > Opening any file costs a call to vc-sccs-registered > vc-sccs-search-project-dir (and whatever they call). > > SCCS is not really popular nowadays, and that should be reflected on the > vc-handled-backends list. 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Opening any file costs a call to vc-sccs-registered vc-sccs-search-project-dir (and whatever they call). SCCS is not really popular nowadays, and that should be reflected on the vc-handled-backends list. ------------=_1251312006-16185-1-- From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:18:19 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#2756: be with the Heir-to-Empire ere she left at sunset Reply-To: Sermeno , 2756@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Sermeno Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs 2Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:10:06 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 2756 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 2756-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B2756.125164103228760 (code B ref 2756); Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:10:06 +0000 Received: (at 2756) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 30 Aug 2009 14:03:52 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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But Head-nurse could hardly contain her joy, even when Foster-father shook his wise old head and said he would not have had it happen for all the wealth of the world, for of late, if he were not much mistaken, things had been shaping ill for his young master, and that very morning a secret messenger had come in from Kabul. What it might portend who could say; but it was bad fortune the child should lose favour at Court to such slight purpose. "Slight, indeed!" sniffed Head-nurse. "Is it not something to have shown that woman that her brat cannot stand up before true Kingship?" "I would it were so, woman," replied Foster-father, "but a child under three with but two old men and two boys for protection cannot show much fight." Head-nurse tossed her head. 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