From unknown Tue Jun 24 05:14:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#27490: 24.5; Elisp manual explanation of `function-key-map' and its inheritors Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 20:34:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 27490 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 27490@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.149842280216597 (code B ref -1); Sun, 25 Jun 2017 20:34:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jun 2017 20:33:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37676 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dPEDi-0004Jd-9I for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2017 16:33:22 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38845) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dPEDg-0004JQ-Rz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2017 16:33:21 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dPEDa-0003xK-QZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2017 16:33:15 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:38372) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dPEDa-0003xE-Nx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2017 16:33:14 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58048) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dPEDZ-00067e-Gw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2017 16:33:14 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dPEDW-0003tj-Df for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2017 16:33:13 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:25806) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dPEDW-0003rf-2E for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2017 16:33:10 -0400 Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id v5PKX5JW001860 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2017 20:33:07 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v5PKX5ab017467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2017 20:33:05 GMT Received: from abhmp0002.oracle.com (abhmp0002.oracle.com [141.146.116.8]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v5PKX5UD026415 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2017 20:33:05 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 13:33:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6770.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) Nothing is said about `function-key-map' and its inheritance relations, beyond the fact that local such maps inherit from `f-k-m', and that `f-k-m' "should not be used directly" (no reason given). Please consider explaining `function-key-map'. In http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2017-06/msg00595.html, for example, Stefan counsels to "just use function-key-map to translate [touch-event] to []". It's not clear how a reader of the manual would come to such an understanding. In GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2015-04-11 on LEG570 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --prefix=3D/c/usr --host=3Di686-pc-mingw32' From unknown Tue Jun 24 05:14:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#27490: 24.5; Elisp manual explanation of `function-key-map' and its inheritors Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 15:34:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 27490 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 27490@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 27490-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B27490.156372323111137 (code B ref 27490); Sun, 21 Jul 2019 15:34:01 +0000 Received: (at 27490) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jul 2019 15:33:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59328 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpDqR-0002tY-0p for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 11:33:51 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:59754) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpDqP-0002tJ-7J for 27490@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 11:33:49 -0400 Received: from [80.169.244.84] (helo=sandy) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hpDqL-000551-Nn; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 17:33:48 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 17:33:45 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 25 Jun 2017 13:33:03 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87v9vv4d2e.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: Drew Adams writes: > Nothing is said about `function-key-map' and its inheritance relations, > beyond the fact that local such maps inherit from `f-k-m', and that > `f-k-m' "should not be used directly" (no reason given [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Drew Adams writes: > Nothing is said about `function-key-map' and its inheritance relations, > beyond the fact that local such maps inherit from `f-k-m', and that > `f-k-m' "should not be used directly" (no reason given). > > Please consider explaining `function-key-map'. This text: ------ @code{local-function-key-map} inherits from @code{function-key-map}, but the latter should not be used directly. ------ was added by this commit: ------ commit 6b9e769476955b928b0248fef5aaa0e40754e257 Author: Eli Zaretskii Date: Sat Jan 17 19:14:52 2009 +0000 (Translation Keymaps): Rename function-key-map to local-function-key-map. ------ So I'm assuming that there was a plan to phase out using function-key-map or something? Perhaps Eli can clarify. But there's a bunch of examples in the manual that does use the map, so either these should be adjusted, or the documentation clarified: ------ The only way to affect the behavior of keys within Emacs is through @code{xmodmap} (outside Emacs) or @code{define-key} (inside Emacs). The @code{define-key} command should be used in conjunction with the @code{function-key-map} map. For instance, @lisp (define-key function-key-map [M-@key{TAB}] [?\M-\t]) @end lisp -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Tue Jun 24 05:14:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#27490: 24.5; Elisp manual explanation of `function-key-map' and its inheritors Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 16:41:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 27490 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 27490@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com Received: via spool by 27490-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B27490.156372721525913 (code B ref 27490); Sun, 21 Jul 2019 16:41:02 +0000 Received: (at 27490) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jul 2019 16:40:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59379 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpEsh-0006js-77 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 12:40:15 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:53112) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpEsf-0006jb-AV for 27490@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 12:40:14 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:41353) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hpEsZ-00038r-Sw; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 12:40:07 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1238 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hpEsY-0004TJ-9U; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 12:40:06 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 19:39:49 +0300 Message-Id: <83sgqzqr3e.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <87v9vv4d2e.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Sun, 21 Jul 2019 17:33:45 +0200) References: <87v9vv4d2e.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 17:33:45 +0200 > Cc: 27490@debbugs.gnu.org > > This text: > > ------ > > @code{local-function-key-map} inherits from @code{function-key-map}, > but the latter should not be used directly. > > ------ > > was added by this commit: > > ------ > > commit 6b9e769476955b928b0248fef5aaa0e40754e257 > Author: Eli Zaretskii > Date: Sat Jan 17 19:14:52 2009 +0000 > > (Translation Keymaps): Rename function-key-map to local-function-key-map. > > ------ > > > So I'm assuming that there was a plan to phase out using > function-key-map or something? Perhaps Eli can clarify. I don't remember any details, and I found no discussions of this around that date. However, you will find a bunch of commits around that one which all renamed function-key-map to local-function-key-map. So yes, it appears like we wanted people to use the latter. > But there's a bunch of examples in the manual that does use the map, so > either these should be adjusted, or the documentation clarified: I think the examples which use function-key-map should be modified, yes. > The only way to affect the behavior of keys within Emacs is through > @code{xmodmap} (outside Emacs) or @code{define-key} (inside Emacs). The > @code{define-key} command should be used in conjunction with the > @code{function-key-map} map. For instance, > > @lisp > (define-key function-key-map [M-@key{TAB}] [?\M-\t]) > @end lisp Where did you find this? I must be blind, because I don't see this passage in the manual. From unknown Tue Jun 24 05:14:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#27490: 24.5; Elisp manual explanation of `function-key-map' and its inheritors Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 17:32:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 27490 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 27490@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com Received: via spool by 27490-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B27490.156373031230893 (code B ref 27490); Sun, 21 Jul 2019 17:32:01 +0000 Received: (at 27490) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jul 2019 17:31:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59415 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpFge-00082D-5V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 13:31:52 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:33016) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpFgc-000825-MS for 27490@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 13:31:51 -0400 Received: from [80.169.244.84] (helo=sandy) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hpFgY-000673-7O; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 19:31:48 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <87v9vv4d2e.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <83sgqzqr3e.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 19:31:45 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83sgqzqr3e.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 21 Jul 2019 19:39:49 +0300") Message-ID: <87blxn47lq.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> The only way to affect the behavior of keys within Emacs is through >> @code{xmodmap} (outside Emacs) or @code{define-key} (inside Emacs). The >> @code{define-key} command should be used in conjunc [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> The only way to affect the behavior of keys within Emacs is through >> @code{xmodmap} (outside Emacs) or @code{define-key} (inside Emacs). The >> @code{define-key} command should be used in conjunction with the >> @code{function-key-map} map. For instance, >> >> @lisp >> (define-key function-key-map [M-@key{TAB}] [?\M-\t]) >> @end lisp > > Where did you find this? I must be blind, because I don't see this > passage in the manual. It's in the "X key translations for Emacs" node in misc/efaq.texi, which I guess isn't part of the manual. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Tue Jun 24 05:14:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#27490: 24.5; Elisp manual explanation of `function-key-map' and its inheritors Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 17:55:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 27490 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 27490@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com Received: via spool by 27490-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B27490.1563731673669 (code B ref 27490); Sun, 21 Jul 2019 17:55:01 +0000 Received: (at 27490) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jul 2019 17:54:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59451 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpG2b-0000Ai-8c for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 13:54:33 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44781) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpG2Z-0000AT-LN for 27490@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 13:54:31 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:42813) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hpG2U-0004N4-9P; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 13:54:26 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1850 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hpG2T-0003o7-QJ; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 13:54:26 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 20:54:11 +0300 Message-Id: <83o91nqnng.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <87blxn47lq.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Sun, 21 Jul 2019 19:31:45 +0200) References: <87v9vv4d2e.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <83sgqzqr3e.fsf@gnu.org> <87blxn47lq.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, 27490@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 19:31:45 +0200 > > >> The only way to affect the behavior of keys within Emacs is through > >> @code{xmodmap} (outside Emacs) or @code{define-key} (inside Emacs). The > >> @code{define-key} command should be used in conjunction with the > >> @code{function-key-map} map. For instance, > >> > >> @lisp > >> (define-key function-key-map [M-@key{TAB}] [?\M-\t]) > >> @end lisp > > > > Where did you find this? I must be blind, because I don't see this > > passage in the manual. > > It's in the "X key translations for Emacs" node in misc/efaq.texi, which > I guess isn't part of the manual. Ah, okay. Yes, that part of the FAQ is obsolete and should be fixed. From unknown Tue Jun 24 05:14:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#27490: 24.5; Elisp manual explanation of `function-key-map' and its inheritors Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 18:17:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 27490 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 27490@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com Received: via spool by 27490-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B27490.156373299911131 (code B ref 27490); Sun, 21 Jul 2019 18:17:01 +0000 Received: (at 27490) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jul 2019 18:16:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59472 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpGNz-0002tT-D7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 14:16:39 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:33622) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpGNw-0002tK-7I for 27490@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 14:16:37 -0400 Received: from [80.169.244.84] (helo=sandy) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hpGNs-0006Pa-IB; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 20:16:35 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <87v9vv4d2e.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <83sgqzqr3e.fsf@gnu.org> <87blxn47lq.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <83o91nqnng.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 20:16:31 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83o91nqnng.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 21 Jul 2019 20:54:11 +0300") Message-ID: <87lfwr2qyo.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> It's in the "X key translations for Emacs" node in misc/efaq.texi, which >> I guess isn't part of the manual. > > Ah, okay. Yes, that part of the FAQ is obsolete and should be fixed. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> It's in the "X key translations for Emacs" node in misc/efaq.texi, which >> I guess isn't part of the manual. > > Ah, okay. Yes, that part of the FAQ is obsolete and should be fixed. Would `local-function-key-map' be the right things to replace it with in these examples? (There's one in the viper manual, too.) -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Tue Jun 24 05:14:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#27490: 24.5; Elisp manual explanation of `function-key-map' and its inheritors Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 14:59:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 27490 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 27490@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com Received: via spool by 27490-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B27490.15638939223805 (code B ref 27490); Tue, 23 Jul 2019 14:59:01 +0000 Received: (at 27490) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jul 2019 14:58:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35499 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpwFW-0000zJ-7f for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 10:58:42 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:54065) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpwFU-0000yy-Pa for 27490@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 10:58:41 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:55947) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hpwFP-0002gK-Cz; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 10:58:35 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3585 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hpwFO-0006S4-5U; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 10:58:34 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 17:58:23 +0300 Message-Id: <83ftmwpzlc.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <87lfwr2qyo.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Sun, 21 Jul 2019 20:16:31 +0200) References: <87v9vv4d2e.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <83sgqzqr3e.fsf@gnu.org> <87blxn47lq.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <83o91nqnng.fsf@gnu.org> <87lfwr2qyo.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, 27490@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 20:16:31 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> It's in the "X key translations for Emacs" node in misc/efaq.texi, which > >> I guess isn't part of the manual. > > > > Ah, okay. Yes, that part of the FAQ is obsolete and should be fixed. > > Would `local-function-key-map' be the right things to replace it with in > these examples? (There's one in the viper manual, too.) Yes, I think so. From unknown Tue Jun 24 05:14:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#27490: 24.5; Elisp manual explanation of `function-key-map' and its inheritors Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 17:17:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 27490 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 27490@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com Received: via spool by 27490-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B27490.156390218127025 (code B ref 27490); Tue, 23 Jul 2019 17:17:01 +0000 Received: (at 27490) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jul 2019 17:16:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35556 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpyOj-00071p-13 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 13:16:21 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:41718) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpyOg-00071g-TL for 27490@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 13:16:19 -0400 Received: from [80.169.244.84] (helo=sandy) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hpyOb-0002Af-T7; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 19:16:16 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <87v9vv4d2e.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <83sgqzqr3e.fsf@gnu.org> <87blxn47lq.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <83o91nqnng.fsf@gnu.org> <87lfwr2qyo.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <83ftmwpzlc.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 19:16:13 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83ftmwpzlc.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 23 Jul 2019 17:58:23 +0300") Message-ID: <87k1c81xk2.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Would `local-function-key-map' be the right things to replace it with in >> these examples? (There's one in the viper manual, too.) > > Yes, I think so. OK; I've now adjusted these instances (and two in the Emacs user manual, too). 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OK; I've now adjusted these instances (and two in the Emacs user manual, too). -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 23 13:16:26 2019 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jul 2019 17:16:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35559 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpyOo-00072A-9Q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 13:16:26 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:41732) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpyOn-000723-2C for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 13:16:25 -0400 Received: from [80.169.244.84] (helo=sandy) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hpyOk-0002An-Ef for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 19:16:24 +0200 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 19:16:21 +0200 Message-Id: <87imrs1xju.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #27490 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: tags 27490 fixed close 27490 27.1 quit Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) tags 27490 fixed close 27490 27.1 quit