From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jun 22 00:29:35 2017 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Jun 2017 04:29:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60506 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dNtkM-00057W-R9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2017 00:29:35 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47066) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dNtkL-00057K-0A for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2017 00:29:33 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dNtkE-0008T3-PY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2017 00:29:27 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:51382) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dNtkE-0008Su-MV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2017 00:29:26 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38029) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dNtkD-0004Ip-Bv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2017 00:29:26 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dNtkA-0008S0-8o for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2017 00:29:25 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.17.11]:58617) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dNtk9-0008Rn-U8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2017 00:29:22 -0400 Received: from drachen.dragon ([92.74.161.87]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb103 [213.165.67.124]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lheqz-1eACvX1S1B-00mwaC for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2017 06:29:18 +0200 From: Michael Heerdegen To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 26.0.50; Insufficient documentation for pinentry.el Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 06:29:17 +0200 Message-ID: <87vano7ihu.fsf@drachen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:uOxQK7HFhl98HWGMlc64U8sjQrsFOTst3HamviO7nCvkWvj93Pk 3ef5shHzf6bNiGLVs8xKAFdq+rJOWtnujzxZqCfZqSMDXFAJyZtg/pSrkjHALe9LqfSn5m7 qYZmpgYFTXJE5THtp7eYxGhvGQIW4IQ27pdyWFsgaA17mRqDDy+cOREHcLQ/wqHutIOeJ8b 2VjDdSvxLqbXbosfa7Iew== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:DQvbwuKGstY=:Qz1323w9JftHd+9x7f+FyX 7mIRbQYLVtKKztnB2pU4lHZgCewF3yd8aBBjT2KZM+3HmUQX/j63khmdrYU0PcoH1BPCUU35u cNsKM1jUGCdDf56+l8ulCHKCe8cnM+iDGmrs73mHWGwtJK+aREUklKLYmhplYR88pJVbnUi66 1aChEzGae8nPN6uC9KUZsMBHxd2+Vy1PHfAiOGoSA5Ahl/kZTy4ipp/QaJtmm5D2SHN83oHTB gs2vtStx9zOYwGsRocYli/nIdxXZQJmv67lt4wvcueUxe1Irix+m5YNmrgNLvV3WF4yj1+YBd vCed0jC3PKnUyMe02hMfvP5qFaoxb0AsNyTw6hziE354c7LIZBDC8ou2LycCP+X1N9aOxpj/x T01QcowwofRKgj/TZnxg1uujgYQjmGRqLPMSE03cn5IjGYN2Uxd5HFRSraN3wUIGefu5Rn8Vr 7Z9ISaLPNd5S2l1MpE5jE9q2knRazt4/wIvwzB5vBOd43627uiNAcdLz69VAzCkxd9zn1xIoP Sc8u/jqwqWyUyCcVU3/Oam638THMbTev8VhfQLUBswssmTd2/eO2dapxMyFGy47XELndokDFj MzOXGTh9EJehhexTHDI6YKMk3UOeltcDKnJZbR9kwUwp98oqRFCpgjstRwE7U1cckSNf/oD9I R1BseFQADCke7Bq+L7CY5+ntiEj6FyU9Iy+bIKzgBd/Ck3RR7Agp03+nAgaQXHNPqGxrhwRME LNAtN69rSCSgl6OAW/r6nKizqw9WmLK19ksNdWrgYjmbu1N2KRno5S7YyeLtU4GIY2FAx5lFW DMOeJLX X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) Hallo, I followed the instructions in pinentry.el, but failed. There is no more documentation available. I'm running a very normal Debian. Since entering passwords is a quite common thing, and this is about the user's security, shouldn't this deserve some more extensive information or be described in the manual? FWIW, after searching the Internet, I found several pieces of information that seem to be missing in the documentation in the file header of pinentry.el: I seemingly have to build pinentry-emacs if it's not available, for example. After having tried over an hour, I finally was in a state where I got no more password prompts at all. I'm thankful that I had the luck to be able to restore the previous state so that I got my Email working again and could open this report. This should not happen to others. Thanks in advance, Michael. In GNU Emacs 26.0.50 (build 3, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.22.11) of 2017-06-19 built on drachen Repository revision: 1b75af59b305867c89271905be72a05d06a4eff4 Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11903000 System Description: Debian GNU/Linux 9.0 (stretch) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 26 08:00:35 2017 Received: (at 27445) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Oct 2017 12:00:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34039 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e7gpv-000565-Ny for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 08:00:35 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.17.12]:59399) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e7gpu-00055s-I2 for 27445@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 08:00:34 -0400 Received: from drachen.dragon ([88.67.97.42]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb101 [213.165.67.124]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MWSBi-1dfc6I0iS2-00XbAV; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:00:28 +0200 From: Michael Heerdegen To: 27445@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#27445: 26.0.50; Insufficient documentation for pinentry.el References: <87vano7ihu.fsf@drachen> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:00:27 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87vano7ihu.fsf@drachen> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Thu, 22 Jun 2017 06:29:17 +0200") Message-ID: <878tfy15lw.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:Bi7zYpmqfo1FONnXUOTD4om9aO3vaKuOzcwl52LuWSxyvSddxHB 5OYHrc0d4N6JD9Z1g6i7USBGQ5UHQ1KwiqnUMV3o7RLPrsbr0kjQCjeEs5TwU8i5iXeHgPG qW1GIw048O0WDIOH2tDvql551OvGYF2GrwuTqSnM0dIHFLBbT4mrsuiMaRcV5IWwtmHYvLM T9VqM+32B/oKUHyp5YA3Q== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:U3MRPogz08s=:Jqoxx4Ycu83tFus9DKH3O8 TWWd7McYQSrMV0xQZ3uUa0a56BZl+iSlN0wwdHbQEwMAa1E9d5UTBk3cGs+9Eor+MOLX58GAm wlAPjKDIezhMfGefP2/d5ydUjZuM3inO8qxP/hIHNfrpUdyGRaIhCxX+MYYmbxbxgL1v43vO/ +3idhOAtcG66HoGBVFKJOZiadapSGMO+kCb3loyxJRp/FMzrAhbG+XbCDWVG5HnkB+++yXxDv J1D/oGag8XUI5HD9y6m6I+shIbEyhRVB6xO3tbv23KojA4edEacGVCGXaLAHGc/NXUOFhXxmm B6Jgc7PDTj6tVw8/maUVk3tviIW1L4+beqM0euREiK93RLQm82/uHLeuAiW+j/BwS2VUMoREo Eb/dpBvrbA0jHUHYciG26RdHva1hSFM7ZR1+gDllKnfjI78NzGeaQNKn+lSBK5lxvjOSiZpdu anl9hZ4cgV1mORzM9Q2IBVH8P2U8eaYmeOtH39sn0/BVsZNXAnbn7cog/4zXtHSWEqiOaSmMb 7uvbzUrpkGdhPvpbBRvqMZsx4A6JEgY2Prx6FskmvaMn2slrM/S7lkhPIsr9nBjw39uA149rI DV/eIna5tAiaQ9XwXBOBgj1Bw+vYXaoYh5anXsaFYlfWTIZeTyF4Jcpm8cSUbcjTpcQ0IK942 9yMSpgLvrr6CtGSdwMltDlS+RFQ1mEGcLkOtGDn7OrmER1K44ScBHUMxzSI80511eTUt7grom gV6S23399ktkaW7ZzE+wbAg9MOEKPlKl+SpibPTnn8EVnZe7vGXtEdscBFC/k+u+e35E4vOV3 ydm3wW14S+rVQ2u0iqFwcUIgQ5K/V9T8SZubnnjEmFLfJoAvEo= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 27445 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Michael Heerdegen writes: > I'm thankful that I had the luck to be able to restore the previous > state so that I got my Email working again and could open this report. > This should not happen to others. I discovered by accident that #+begin_src emacs-lisp (setq epa-pinentry-mode 'loopback) #+end_src does what I want. It would still be good to have some page in the manual that describes with what tools file encryption in Emacs is done, and where to look for documentation. Currently there is only a description of encryption commands of dired (info "(emacs) Operating on Files"). Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 28 05:13:41 2017 Received: (at 27445) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Oct 2017 09:13:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38048 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e8NBU-0002G2-S2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2017 05:13:41 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:35378) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e8NBS-0002Fq-KA for 27445@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2017 05:13:39 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e8NBM-0003as-My for 27445@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2017 05:13:33 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:46200) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e8NBE-0003V2-Td; Sat, 28 Oct 2017 05:13:24 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4446 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1e8NBE-0001uJ-9J; Sat, 28 Oct 2017 05:13:24 -0400 Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2017 12:13:20 +0300 Message-Id: <83vaiz63f3.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Michael Heerdegen , Daiki Ueno In-reply-to: <878tfy15lw.fsf@web.de> (message from Michael Heerdegen on Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:00:27 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#27445: 26.0.50; Insufficient documentation for pinentry.el References: <87vano7ihu.fsf@drachen> <878tfy15lw.fsf@web.de> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 27445 Cc: 27445@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Michael Heerdegen > Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:00:27 +0200 > > Michael Heerdegen writes: > > > I'm thankful that I had the luck to be able to restore the previous > > state so that I got my Email working again and could open this report. > > This should not happen to others. > > I discovered by accident that > > #+begin_src emacs-lisp > (setq epa-pinentry-mode 'loopback) > #+end_src > > does what I want. > > It would still be good to have some page in the manual that describes > with what tools file encryption in Emacs is done, and where to look for > documentation. Currently there is only a description of encryption > commands of dired (info "(emacs) Operating on Files"). I agree. Daiki, could you please add some user-level documentation about this package? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Nov 18 04:51:16 2017 Received: (at 27445) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Nov 2017 09:51:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45555 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eFzmN-0008HA-Sl for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 18 Nov 2017 04:51:16 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:37214) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eFzmM-0008Gx-4l for 27445@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 18 Nov 2017 04:51:14 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eFzmG-0002JB-2F for 27445@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 18 Nov 2017 04:51:08 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:54801) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eFzm8-0002H0-Jf; Sat, 18 Nov 2017 04:51:00 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4490 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eFzm6-0005D0-Qf; Sat, 18 Nov 2017 04:50:59 -0500 Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 11:50:45 +0200 Message-Id: <83zi7jgbka.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: ueno@gnu.org In-reply-to: <83vaiz63f3.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sat, 28 Oct 2017 12:13:20 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#27445: 26.0.50; Insufficient documentation for pinentry.el References: <87vano7ihu.fsf@drachen> <878tfy15lw.fsf@web.de> <83vaiz63f3.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 27445 Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, 27445@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Ping! > Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2017 12:13:20 +0300 > From: Eli Zaretskii > Cc: 27445@debbugs.gnu.org > > > From: Michael Heerdegen > > Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:00:27 +0200 > > > > Michael Heerdegen writes: > > > > > I'm thankful that I had the luck to be able to restore the previous > > > state so that I got my Email working again and could open this report. > > > This should not happen to others. > > > > I discovered by accident that > > > > #+begin_src emacs-lisp > > (setq epa-pinentry-mode 'loopback) > > #+end_src > > > > does what I want. > > > > It would still be good to have some page in the manual that describes > > with what tools file encryption in Emacs is done, and where to look for > > documentation. Currently there is only a description of encryption > > commands of dired (info "(emacs) Operating on Files"). > > I agree. > > Daiki, could you please add some user-level documentation about this > package? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 19 02:08:07 2017 Received: (at 27445) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Nov 2017 07:08:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46734 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eGJi3-0001rB-FR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Nov 2017 02:08:07 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51706) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eGJi1-0001qi-Pv for 27445@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Nov 2017 02:08:06 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eGJht-0000T7-Bm for 27445@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Nov 2017 02:08:00 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:43749) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eGJht-0000Sy-8u; Sun, 19 Nov 2017 02:07:57 -0500 Received: from du-a.org ([219.94.251.20]:40768 helo=localhost.localdomain) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eGJhr-0008SY-QS; Sun, 19 Nov 2017 02:07:56 -0500 Message-ID: <87h8tqg30t.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> From: Daiki Ueno To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#27445: 26.0.50; Insufficient documentation for pinentry.el References: <87vano7ihu.fsf@drachen> <878tfy15lw.fsf@web.de> <83vaiz63f3.fsf@gnu.org> <83zi7jgbka.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2017 08:07:30 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83zi7jgbka.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 18 Nov 2017 11:50:45 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 27445 Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, 27445@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Eli Zaretskii writes: > Ping! Sorry for not responding to it earlier. >> Daiki, could you please add some user-level documentation about this >> package? I would rather not document it, because the package should be transparent to user. If it doesn't work, you are using either GnuPG 2.0 or some stupid distro package neglecting upstream's default (only Debian, as far as I know). Anyway; the package (and the corresponding change in GnuPG and pinentry) was intended to provide a way to input passphrase through Emacs with GnuPG 2.0. However for some reason the change was only implemented in GnuPG >= 2.1 and didn't get backported to GnuPG 2.0. >> > I discovered by accident that >> > >> > #+begin_src emacs-lisp >> > (setq epa-pinentry-mode 'loopback) >> > #+end_src >> > >> > does what I want. This is indeed a correct solution if we only care about GnuPG >= 2.1. Fortunately, GnuPG 2.0 will be unsupported in the next month. After that we should be able to obsolete or remove the package. Regards, -- Daiki Ueno From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 20 12:56:03 2017 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Nov 2017 17:56:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49306 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eGqIc-0002zx-4b for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 12:56:03 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51373) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eGqIa-0002ze-O0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 12:56:00 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eGqIU-0006or-Tu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 12:55:55 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:54707) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eGqIU-0006ok-RG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 12:55:54 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42327) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eGqIT-0007Hz-HK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 12:55:54 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eGqIP-0006km-IZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 12:55:53 -0500 Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=35179 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eGqIP-0006hz-Bj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 12:55:49 -0500 Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eGqI9-0004hq-R5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 18:55:33 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org From: Andy Moreton Subject: Re: bug#27445: 26.0.50; Insufficient documentation for pinentry.el Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 17:55:20 +0000 Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <87vano7ihu.fsf@drachen> <878tfy15lw.fsf@web.de> <83vaiz63f3.fsf@gnu.org> <83zi7jgbka.fsf@gnu.org> <87h8tqg30t.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.90 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1:hrkHkPpa0revf5CImq7FOk2Ge2o= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.8 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.8 (----) On Sun 19 Nov 2017, Daiki Ueno wrote: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > >> Ping! > > Sorry for not responding to it earlier. > >>> Daiki, could you please add some user-level documentation about this >>> package? > > I would rather not document it, because the package should be > transparent to user. If it doesn't work, you are using either GnuPG 2.0 > or some stupid distro package neglecting upstream's default (only > Debian, as far as I know). How on earth is a user meant to diagnose a non-working setup without adequate documentation ? > Fortunately, GnuPG 2.0 will be unsupported in the next month. After > that we should be able to obsolete or remove the package. Just because upstream remove support for something does not mean that all downstream distros or users systems are fully up to date. While it is sensible to encourage users to use the latest package version and to install security fixes, there will be many people with systems using older package versions for some time. Those users will need documentation to guide them. AndyM From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 20 14:33:18 2017 Received: (at 27445) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Nov 2017 19:33:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49443 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eGrok-0000yU-40 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 14:33:18 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.4]:64448) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eGroi-0000yI-UB for 27445@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 14:33:17 -0500 Received: from drachen.dragon ([88.66.201.17]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb003 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Mhljf-1eTKOE2RWt-00Mtbi; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 20:33:09 +0100 From: Michael Heerdegen To: Daiki Ueno Subject: Re: bug#27445: 26.0.50; Insufficient documentation for pinentry.el References: <87vano7ihu.fsf@drachen> <878tfy15lw.fsf@web.de> <83vaiz63f3.fsf@gnu.org> <83zi7jgbka.fsf@gnu.org> <87h8tqg30t.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 20:33:08 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87h8tqg30t.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> (Daiki Ueno's message of "Sun, 19 Nov 2017 08:07:30 +0100") Message-ID: <877eukvj7v.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:BCnnFXq9/0PPXg+PqNUjqRTAXgPGx8ssQf7b5ISxwV4ShhUgK/b ihZSvYRbnuD4c0qcoOkRF2ygL5unZ3/kPWGfo3q1DX8URB98shAp8NnMd0IE+DR6ABRR9Na 4YeJ12BLDKAVxj3B8fNxV2KmpUML8QbqioUfFpaQRfDb01w9h7i6mV/zI0Ch0w1d1TpUw3S hFDb+liS/5o3BWDb0w5pQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:Mq59c1L+UlI=:Zq24Gf91c6tMsYNHVCvv7i uVStZHglSUZ3uYE/dH0Zpk95VhtvbPOT7rQ6orjodmxlA3+FVFNd8OQZYe8uGbDwFMvivphvN HHV145fDx1A2OyW/2EtLLVa0kek6P5zb1UcN7C6YYLAujGKCELK0Q2PYKCT3LnAF3cluzdY8p dPbzS8Hq9r8+Fj19dN0U346IjSJr8yLly68e2VBFy4NJwg9rkzecgPcQZZq0sHuOQ1spGnK3k xpaJzjeIYoCiMDaFxW+AbeQFnPb6EZMU8SyDY8EVwVCWONbepvrq7NHswftJINCtDO9//c/aR lSaLNY6my8OkmGhPyKIDc0S3a0L1y/2lkbBonqJU03kNIvqWZILMYcbBhADNiuyFM6573CUaj Q1fhr/1J+eaoZClaDg6o+BzRiBQe2eXgZgftfb9EyXLznaQG49ktip4IIVJa6TYE7jc9as7Y2 qeUhezojtLdZxhrBeW50/k9QiHFEp4AU5TfLr5ZR6K833ujIE3cW8hJp+V+BpALG2WtGVkRqP wnhBDsrCtsDq2fCB6o3BRQqnBiR/JT6TK1z4V3XKr12Hsbdkn5qHXRv3CKsaAkO34vwLZbG5b QrqBcwn35Hi3s9Vu0RIpuvSme1IRiQ4c8bNB+smUmMZCxzbCtTtIttQM+zRaUX07uQOT+bbXc O7zQtf/g+RRH7hbdDDoHSr8+/qRl8dXlfGZysnwtsL1vuuxHF4eIIHj8dhfGFcu9GZDf40u5g TfBKzjhtriP8YeNKCAiRzs+b2ZD+IoUIwa6hU53Q4xAlmyDK/fz9ZcEOcqe467uxJcv2n9yWM 23bIDRWCpKXmNx8OpPNPTfl8Fw1UBnufcg7aw9qWa0/fbCLGFE= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 27445 Cc: 27445@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Daiki Ueno writes: > I would rather not document it, because the package should be > transparent to user. If it doesn't work, you are using either GnuPG 2.0 > or some stupid distro package neglecting upstream's default (only > Debian, as far as I know). > > Anyway; the package (and the corresponding change in GnuPG and pinentry) > was intended to provide a way to input passphrase through Emacs with > GnuPG 2.0. However for some reason the change was only implemented in > GnuPG >= 2.1 and didn't get backported to GnuPG 2.0. I don't fully understand the backgrounds. Does what you say mean that the problem will go away very soon (even on Debian) from alone? Thanks, Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 21 01:19:30 2017 Received: (at 27445) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Nov 2017 06:19:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49788 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eH1u6-0002pB-9z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 01:19:30 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60546) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eH1u4-0002oz-Tv for 27445@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 01:19:29 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eH1tv-0001xt-SW for 27445@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 01:19:23 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59595) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eH1tv-0001xp-PU; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 01:19:19 -0500 Received: from du-a.org ([219.94.251.20]:40900 helo=localhost.localdomain) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eH1tt-0001RE-HI; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 01:19:18 -0500 Message-ID: <87y3n08885.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> From: Daiki Ueno To: Michael Heerdegen Subject: Re: bug#27445: 26.0.50; Insufficient documentation for pinentry.el References: <87vano7ihu.fsf@drachen> <878tfy15lw.fsf@web.de> <83vaiz63f3.fsf@gnu.org> <83zi7jgbka.fsf@gnu.org> <87h8tqg30t.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> <877eukvj7v.fsf@web.de> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 07:19:06 +0100 In-Reply-To: <877eukvj7v.fsf@web.de> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Mon, 20 Nov 2017 20:33:08 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 27445 Cc: 27445@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Michael Heerdegen writes: > I don't fully understand the backgrounds. Does what you say mean that > the problem will go away very soon (even on Debian) from alone? As I said in the previous post: > Fortunately, GnuPG 2.0 will be unsupported in the next month. After > that we should be able to obsolete or remove the package. As long as we support only GnuPG >= 2.1 and GnuPG 1.x, there is a way to intercept passphrase prompt. In that case, there will be no need to use a kludge like pinentry.el (+ emacs support in GnuPG/pinentry). Regards, -- Daiki Ueno From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 21 07:15:33 2017 Received: (at 27445) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Nov 2017 12:15:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49983 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eH7Sf-0004t3-LK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 07:15:33 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:44307) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eH7Sd-0004sr-CY for 27445@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 07:15:31 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eH7SU-0004F0-SU for 27445@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 07:15:26 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:35970) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eH7SU-0004EW-NS; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 07:15:22 -0500 Received: from du-a.org ([219.94.251.20]:40928 helo=localhost.localdomain) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eH7ST-00076L-O7; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 07:15:22 -0500 Message-ID: From: Daiki Ueno To: Andy Moreton Subject: Re: bug#27445: 26.0.50; Insufficient documentation for pinentry.el References: <87vano7ihu.fsf@drachen> <878tfy15lw.fsf@web.de> <83vaiz63f3.fsf@gnu.org> <83zi7jgbka.fsf@gnu.org> <87h8tqg30t.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 13:15:13 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Andy Moreton's message of "Mon, 20 Nov 2017 17:55:20 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 27445 Cc: 27445@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Andy Moreton writes: > How on earth is a user meant to diagnose a non-working setup without > adequate documentation ? Why on earth the user could even notice the intentionally undocumented package, then? >> Fortunately, GnuPG 2.0 will be unsupported in the next month. After >> that we should be able to obsolete or remove the package. > > Just because upstream remove support for something does not mean that > all downstream distros or users systems are fully up to date. > > While it is sensible to encourage users to use the latest package > version and to install security fixes, there will be many people with > systems using older package versions for some time. Those users will > need documentation to guide them. That's the task of the distros which provide extended life support for GnuPG 2.0, not of the Emacs upstream. Given that both Emacs and GnuPG are part of the GNU project, they should be in sync in upstream. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 21 10:56:43 2017 Received: (at 27445) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Nov 2017 15:56:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51261 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eHAuh-0001TA-2u for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:56:43 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:33309) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eHAuf-0001Sy-UN for 27445@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:56:42 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eHAuU-0001TC-Jk for 27445@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:56:36 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:39952) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eHAuO-0001Rw-Qf; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:56:24 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3717 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eHAuO-0007u1-AX; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:56:24 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 17:56:19 +0200 Message-Id: <83eford3rw.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Daiki Ueno In-reply-to: (message from Daiki Ueno on Tue, 21 Nov 2017 13:15:13 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#27445: 26.0.50; Insufficient documentation for pinentry.el References: <87vano7ihu.fsf@drachen> <878tfy15lw.fsf@web.de> <83vaiz63f3.fsf@gnu.org> <83zi7jgbka.fsf@gnu.org> <87h8tqg30t.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 27445 Cc: 27445@debbugs.gnu.org, andrewjmoreton@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Daiki Ueno > Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 13:15:13 +0100 > Cc: 27445@debbugs.gnu.org > > Andy Moreton writes: > > > How on earth is a user meant to diagnose a non-working setup without > > adequate documentation ? > > Why on earth the user could even notice the intentionally undocumented > package, then? I don't think we can claim that it's undocumented: it has some user documentation in the Commentary section. My take from this discussion is that this package will become obsolete, but not exactly tomorrow. So I think it would be good to add some minimal verbiage to allow those who still need pinentry.el to use it. I gather the required additions are not too large. Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 21 14:59:45 2017 Received: (at 27445) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Nov 2017 19:59:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51453 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eHEht-00030k-H1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 14:59:45 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:35370) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eHEhq-00030X-SN for 27445@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 14:59:44 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eHEhg-0000Ec-V8 for 27445@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 14:59:37 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:45727) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eHEhg-0000EY-Rm for 27445@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 14:59:32 -0500 Received: from du-a.org ([219.94.251.20]:40962 helo=localhost.localdomain) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eHEhf-0001xC-G9; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 14:59:32 -0500 Message-ID: <87ine35roo.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> From: Daiki Ueno To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#27445: 26.0.50; Insufficient documentation for pinentry.el References: <87vano7ihu.fsf@drachen> <878tfy15lw.fsf@web.de> <83vaiz63f3.fsf@gnu.org> <83zi7jgbka.fsf@gnu.org> <87h8tqg30t.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> <83eford3rw.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 20:59:19 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83eford3rw.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 21 Nov 2017 17:56:19 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 27445 Cc: 27445@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Eli Zaretskii writes: > I don't think we can claim that it's undocumented: it has some user > documentation in the Commentary section. > > My take from this discussion is that this package will become > obsolete, but not exactly tomorrow. Not tomorrow, but it will be just a month later. Also note that this is a relatively new package and no Emacs release has shipped with it. > So I think it would be good to add some minimal verbiage to allow > those who still need pinentry.el to use it. I gather the required > additions are not too large. Sorry, I have no idea what to add to the existing documentation (the Commentary section), really. As I indicated in the previous post, if pinentry.el doesn't work, it is likely to be failing in somewhere else than Emacs (e.g. Debian packaging of GnuPG and pinentry). It's not obvious to me what we should suggest to the user in that case. Regards, -- Daiki Ueno From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 22 10:47:11 2017 Received: (at 27445) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Nov 2017 15:47:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52893 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eHXF1-0007uu-Ki for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:47:11 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:43969) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eHXF0-0007uh-HK for 27445@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:47:11 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eHXEu-0006xy-Eh for 27445@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:47:05 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:35351) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eHXEn-0006uz-Q2; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:46:57 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4754 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eHXEn-0003hZ-71; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:46:57 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 17:46:55 +0200 Message-Id: <83po8ab9jk.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Daiki Ueno In-reply-to: <87ine35roo.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> (message from Daiki Ueno on Tue, 21 Nov 2017 20:59:19 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#27445: 26.0.50; Insufficient documentation for pinentry.el References: <87vano7ihu.fsf@drachen> <878tfy15lw.fsf@web.de> <83vaiz63f3.fsf@gnu.org> <83zi7jgbka.fsf@gnu.org> <87h8tqg30t.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> <83eford3rw.fsf@gnu.org> <87ine35roo.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 27445 Cc: 27445@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Daiki Ueno > Cc: 27445@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 20:59:19 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > I don't think we can claim that it's undocumented: it has some user > > documentation in the Commentary section. > > > > My take from this discussion is that this package will become > > obsolete, but not exactly tomorrow. > > Not tomorrow, but it will be just a month later. Also note that this is > a relatively new package and no Emacs release has shipped with it. Then maybe we should simply remove it now? However, what Michael wrote and your response to that confuse me now, see below. > > So I think it would be good to add some minimal verbiage to allow > > those who still need pinentry.el to use it. I gather the required > > additions are not too large. > > Sorry, I have no idea what to add to the existing documentation (the > Commentary section), really. As I indicated in the previous post, if > pinentry.el doesn't work, it is likely to be failing in somewhere else > than Emacs (e.g. Debian packaging of GnuPG and pinentry). It's not > obvious to me what we should suggest to the user in that case. Previously, you wrote: > Anyway; the package (and the corresponding change in GnuPG and pinentry) > was intended to provide a way to input passphrase through Emacs with > GnuPG 2.0. However for some reason the change was only implemented in > GnuPG >= 2.1 and didn't get backported to GnuPG 2.0. > > >> > I discovered by accident that > >> > > >> > #+begin_src emacs-lisp > >> > (setq epa-pinentry-mode 'loopback) > >> > #+end_src > >> > > >> > does what I want. > > This is indeed a correct solution if we only care about GnuPG >= 2.1. > > Fortunately, GnuPG 2.0 will be unsupported in the next month. After > that we should be able to obsolete or remove the package. So now I'm confused. Can you answer the following questions, and thus help me see the light? . is pinentry.el needed when using GnuPG 2.1? . if not, why did you say that the above setting of epa-pinentry-mode is the correct solution for GnuPG 2.1? . how should Emacs users input passphrases with GnuPG 2.1, without using pinentry.el? Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 22 11:18:45 2017 Received: (at 27445) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Nov 2017 16:18:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52929 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eHXjY-0000GV-OI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:18:44 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:53098) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eHXjX-0000GI-Gh for 27445@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:18:43 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eHXjN-0003h3-H7 for 27445@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:18:38 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:35882) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eHXjN-0003gu-Cg for 27445@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:18:33 -0500 Received: from du-a.org ([219.94.251.20]:41002 helo=localhost.localdomain) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eHXjM-0004HA-AM; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:18:33 -0500 Message-ID: From: Daiki Ueno To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#27445: 26.0.50; Insufficient documentation for pinentry.el References: <87vano7ihu.fsf@drachen> <878tfy15lw.fsf@web.de> <83vaiz63f3.fsf@gnu.org> <83zi7jgbka.fsf@gnu.org> <87h8tqg30t.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> <83eford3rw.fsf@gnu.org> <87ine35roo.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> <83po8ab9jk.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 17:18:23 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83po8ab9jk.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 22 Nov 2017 17:46:55 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 27445 Cc: 27445@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Eli Zaretskii writes: > Then maybe we should simply remove it now? Let's do that. > So now I'm confused. Can you answer the following questions, and > thus help me see the light? > > . is pinentry.el needed when using GnuPG 2.1? No. > . if not, why did you say that the above setting of > epa-pinentry-mode is the correct solution for GnuPG 2.1? epa-pinentry-mode is orthogonal to pinentry.el. What I'm saying is that we shouldn't expand the documentation of pinentry.el, because it's turning out to be a failed attempt. > . how should Emacs users input passphrases with GnuPG 2.1, without > using pinentry.el? Through the graphical prompt, or using the epa-pinentry-mode 'loopback' setting. Regards, -- Daiki Ueno From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 22 20:06:44 2017 Received: (at 27445) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Nov 2017 01:06:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53226 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eHfyW-0006b9-Ir for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 20:06:44 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.4]:51141) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eHfyU-0006at-M5 for 27445@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 20:06:43 -0500 Received: from drachen.dragon ([88.66.201.17]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb004 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MJIMc-1eJJb72htS-002mEe; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 02:06:35 +0100 From: Michael Heerdegen To: Daiki Ueno Subject: Re: bug#27445: 26.0.50; Insufficient documentation for pinentry.el References: <87vano7ihu.fsf@drachen> <878tfy15lw.fsf@web.de> <83vaiz63f3.fsf@gnu.org> <83zi7jgbka.fsf@gnu.org> <87h8tqg30t.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> <83eford3rw.fsf@gnu.org> <87ine35roo.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> <83po8ab9jk.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 02:06:34 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Daiki Ueno's message of "Wed, 22 Nov 2017 17:18:23 +0100") Message-ID: <87zi7d7qhx.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:gZpO6l/2KPeTHuTckVdAbUvy0B1MWgMiNOagp/ha9tRtjGCsMu6 o3D3jtrSnR3BGsr7WuuFVOnGgPvhVwk3s4fdE30/kuESToUe5BY1dntzdO8V7YWQ+hgrphF ykGHK7XGCm18bip0YveLGL/7PVVnLeo30z08IbTwXt+T3WBavWS1zgsSFwwTUKj7cM8s9dP pKrzwulNB+z8MllDQR/ZQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:nz2ulNO05u0=:Bii+q+a7XK5ZFPxRVCt33I 9dknNUQYHmRz3tJ40b9b1Cu793Tu8uWSacXRpN7IP3bggDoj+UoZ8pAYqCc9my08Ez0PfxrTs 7W5WsFUGplu3Y6h48qsmmidAaV29k7WV4sQm/8Bz49d1l4IzNA9JpWBwAAbqwbzB05RQoi0w7 ksNZ5dmNgi+UO9DkzpmA99taTx21/Og+JTTbGNB9y/RIhBaKr4l/blrV3BK160/tTxyAf6ZdU FnjLqFEd0uLY+6ZGSFmh3uunaNrI2pSgXrj7CmjlWDSg03NR0TB7hIGiL6XhKUqmp8T3UJ3Lp QrtPfJiQx0LGCipx6zIpGnSnzWBdp+kUgnCl/v2kxHZTfhIK2Fx+uMObx4UKcYBJ2r+EugkiK 4PO3G8CEP6B0dVePufFIQuMCdYnEXVYF2gnZnq1mKt5LZvk5Rbguw65mVcyZ/rTL54/FKvtjj tiODmFMYCgFD4QEu1RsCVVZq1R1sjfub6MQ7/dCOXd3DuzKBRTa8EVmVLdJUzGFkJ9f6PrIfP V5DZU/p0RLcZxPd0V3SZADD8Z+ESCDNd2/IjNwGPv0yhgnuKf9FcZfjVlBeAJOfaUxAGUFwHz zMpAjyPPVfqauJfZpkNFN8gGmZi7sAxnq3j2vc6A8pRgV41wGyeUqByDd8EdGMV7pnL+ZmSkY oindRlnF9A/TjTr1Yg0PabDxL6nzkkzihUtcH2VWb/6bVRoH6t7D0lTjdmRxm4joGTJ6P7Vx3 zM0XfGzieXVBHISwWk/NPtYlo2T3N0qrldhWiFR8+SAPdOpDqJ0tGCJUkb/Rwe+AH50cIE+JT tk0gzyYK/kcOPT8ka3XVNR1EwPu+qP97lru+ke9rQ6ctA9KBa0= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 27445 Cc: 27445@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Daiki Ueno writes: > Through the graphical prompt, or using the epa-pinentry-mode 'loopback' > setting. When a user doesn't want a graphical prompt (I don't, because it freezes Emacs, and I use Emacs to get my password), how can he know that he must configure `epa-pinentry-mode'? I only found it by making extensive use of the debugger. I didn't even know where to look and which libraries were relevant. Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 23 00:08:43 2017 Received: (at 27445) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Nov 2017 05:08:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53264 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eHjkh-0005nf-Dx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 00:08:43 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56076) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eHjkf-0005nQ-Cz for 27445@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 00:08:41 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eHjkV-0005uz-88 for 27445@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 00:08:36 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:48004) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eHjkV-0005uq-4F; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 00:08:31 -0500 Received: from du-a.org ([219.94.251.20]:41044 helo=localhost.localdomain) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eHjkT-0001AV-SY; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 00:08:30 -0500 Message-ID: <87lgixvayl.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> From: Daiki Ueno To: Michael Heerdegen Subject: Re: bug#27445: 26.0.50; Insufficient documentation for pinentry.el References: <87vano7ihu.fsf@drachen> <878tfy15lw.fsf@web.de> <83vaiz63f3.fsf@gnu.org> <83zi7jgbka.fsf@gnu.org> <87h8tqg30t.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> <83eford3rw.fsf@gnu.org> <87ine35roo.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> <83po8ab9jk.fsf@gnu.org> <87zi7d7qhx.fsf@web.de> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 06:08:18 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87zi7d7qhx.fsf@web.de> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Thu, 23 Nov 2017 02:06:34 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 27445 Cc: 27445@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Michael Heerdegen writes: >> Through the graphical prompt, or using the epa-pinentry-mode 'loopback' >> setting. > > When a user doesn't want a graphical prompt (I don't, because it freezes > Emacs, and I use Emacs to get my password), how can he know that he must > configure `epa-pinentry-mode'? I only found it by making extensive use > of the debugger. I didn't even know where to look and which libraries > were relevant. Note that it's practically impossible to make it seamlessly work; there is no way to reliably detect that the 'loopback' pinentry is enabled by the GnuPG installation. I don't want to document non-working setup. Use it at your own risk or blame someone else (the GnuPG upsteam or downstream package maintainers), really. I am almost done with this issue. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 24 02:05:01 2017 Received: (at 27445) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Nov 2017 07:05:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54607 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eI82n-0002q3-3e for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 02:05:01 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.17.11]:56415) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eI82l-0002pr-FK for 27445@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 02:04:59 -0500 Received: from drachen.dragon ([88.66.201.17]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb101 [213.165.67.124]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MBCBN-1ePaIo22bt-00AHmF; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 08:04:51 +0100 From: Michael Heerdegen To: Daiki Ueno Subject: Re: bug#27445: 26.0.50; Insufficient documentation for pinentry.el References: <87vano7ihu.fsf@drachen> <878tfy15lw.fsf@web.de> <83vaiz63f3.fsf@gnu.org> <83zi7jgbka.fsf@gnu.org> <87h8tqg30t.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> <83eford3rw.fsf@gnu.org> <87ine35roo.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> <83po8ab9jk.fsf@gnu.org> <87zi7d7qhx.fsf@web.de> <87lgixvayl.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 08:04:50 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87lgixvayl.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> (Daiki Ueno's message of "Thu, 23 Nov 2017 06:08:18 +0100") Message-ID: <87y3mww419.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:wx+entlptd8stBlILi+bBWeYibbVqSivSbV0vSueKXHy+k3E7zv Tzz6+9OHweq/VV7SS/4X7SHuofHPzvKDKE4CtNibzDjjy6C/5gD4o7tpLDa2XEnGS2XyhJA ClnUTX8thKHI3aR6B54YjflhfZWK8TQyNSXeF5LnZyBAVaRenwNdn8Y3eNHmjyinGVjpGMD K93hwhx2Qiii7IqCCOvMw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:30V1UR+EmMA=:9QR2Y98N+tTtMfrepKoBMV ZhaSKCXDadNeKXYw1c1Or7+DGx4h6ccfDVDjuWOvKJUjs9PgFR1fEzSdxNOJxbrpzvgeYu2ev DbqjOZsyfJX0PcJNUvzctyxhUce0tHTzgwReSejGRRjSDNdCvvjpPHPuelITKBi6BLeFiwKsp MAyFq5hBsoGrCr99QETL7Afaos/AQEPXqgySbaCeJHYcnjr9Vj7jSMxwiu7TuJvn0/1ifmx3R KyHJNwZzmHQacabCa82l+RviE+jZzC8PSU9Q/oG3kU2ix4lZaEP38Na7HDK6kOHi/EQy59psS eQKpWWLmYRmzgSoBqoQQPUfC+BBi/JdBd6uPxHgX3tFqmiGtWYbeb7wz0Gmp2dsqf/nMXnoc9 /6Q5ClxkNiwnq52DPNvMSd0sdAxxoxDX+V6IzmzqVR6bNL96wEiRen9qTR46v7NAc1vfSMHrV 8JZJrTfxoC1cv9q1z3HHp6IW9OgH2dhlne86VPTEnZlLNb1rh/V6mg1z58m4gYoffyrfodIZ8 d1UFjpIZO6rj5OLPQW5FkbnBluPuFE16KwmpSEpOCNbhvgBwJyOK1uSEoIySRiDctEb2Ca2DT tC3Oh8zUW/FbJU25Q3E8XwI/5qkikubya/OOLphSruvmwdtGASLACWlqPqrUzsPgfuO4bxy8S K0b9YQfE2dkQ72muedAO/dlNFTxfRc89WBrDKhcrw9p5j9wkO6arvasKJfC9jHCtIvHLFJXzl SJH2TtPJCTI7DZ06Y1l+8xFmb0DhMCtnuBNtfkfq/MbaDrCm8eTYfiZ6AFQNsu88W4EtdsXj0 k2JHwiWYAy4vQss9IWJ+/yQRWpOnIlVLniyffed9uMYFMG6EO8= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 27445 Cc: 27445@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Daiki Ueno writes: > Use it at your own risk or blame someone else > [...] > I am almost done with this issue. If you say it makes no sense to document that stuff, I can't argue against that. Sorry if you feel blamed (actually I didn't blame anyone) - but if this is to be "used at own risk" and not worth or possible to be documented decently, why has it been added to Emacs? Isn't it normal that people use it then and are left with questions when problems occur and there is no documentation? Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 24 05:49:31 2017 Received: (at 27445) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Nov 2017 10:49:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54745 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eIBY3-00081s-MR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 05:49:31 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:36549) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eIBY1-00081g-Jw for 27445@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 05:49:30 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eIBXs-0006Qo-PU for 27445@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 05:49:24 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:42069) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eIBXs-0006Qc-Mk; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 05:49:20 -0500 Received: from du-a.org ([219.94.251.20]:41144 helo=localhost.localdomain) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eIBXr-0008E9-B1; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 05:49:20 -0500 Message-ID: From: Daiki Ueno To: Michael Heerdegen Subject: Re: bug#27445: 26.0.50; Insufficient documentation for pinentry.el References: <87vano7ihu.fsf@drachen> <878tfy15lw.fsf@web.de> <83vaiz63f3.fsf@gnu.org> <83zi7jgbka.fsf@gnu.org> <87h8tqg30t.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> <83eford3rw.fsf@gnu.org> <87ine35roo.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> <83po8ab9jk.fsf@gnu.org> <87zi7d7qhx.fsf@web.de> <87lgixvayl.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> <87y3mww419.fsf@web.de> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 11:49:09 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87y3mww419.fsf@web.de> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Fri, 24 Nov 2017 08:04:50 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 27445 Cc: 27445@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Michael Heerdegen writes: > Daiki Ueno writes: > >> Use it at your own risk or blame someone else >> [...] >> I am almost done with this issue. > > If you say it makes no sense to document that stuff, I can't argue > against that. Sorry if you feel blamed (actually I didn't blame anyone) > - but if this is to be "used at own risk" and not worth or possible to > be documented decently, why has it been added to Emacs? We can remove the option too then. Personally, I am happy with the graphical prompt, because it's more secure than entering passwords through Emacs. I added it to Emacs just because I got too many complaints from others saying that Emacs integration of GnuPG password prompt is not user friendly, as if it is a crucial part. I don't think so, but for over a decade I have made every possible attempt to improve the situation, including pinentry.el, the loopback pinentry, pinentry-curses fallback, though there is still no single reliable option. If you want the feature with decent documentation, you should talk to and work with the GnuPG upstream and your distro rather than whining here. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 24 08:40:45 2017 Received: (at 27445) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Nov 2017 13:40:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54833 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eIEDl-0007VT-6H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 08:40:45 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:57360) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eIEDj-0007VG-MA for 27445@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 08:40:43 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eIEDe-0000gX-0m for 27445@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 08:40:38 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59613) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eIEDX-0000cT-Qb; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 08:40:31 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2887 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eIEDV-0005jz-SZ; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 08:40:31 -0500 Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 15:40:01 +0200 Message-Id: <83efonaj7y.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Daiki Ueno In-reply-to: (message from Daiki Ueno on Fri, 24 Nov 2017 11:49:09 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#27445: 26.0.50; Insufficient documentation for pinentry.el References: <87vano7ihu.fsf@drachen> <878tfy15lw.fsf@web.de> <83vaiz63f3.fsf@gnu.org> <83zi7jgbka.fsf@gnu.org> <87h8tqg30t.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> <83eford3rw.fsf@gnu.org> <87ine35roo.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> <83po8ab9jk.fsf@gnu.org> <87zi7d7qhx.fsf@web.de> <87lgixvayl.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> <87y3mww419.fsf@web.de> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 27445 Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, 27445@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Daiki Ueno > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 27445@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 11:49:09 +0100 > > [...] whining here. Please don't use such language here, certainly not when replying to legitimate bug reports. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 24 10:05:05 2017 Received: (at 27445) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Nov 2017 15:05:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56102 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eIFXN-0001NR-HN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 10:05:05 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50687) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eIFXM-0001Mv-4r for 27445@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 10:05:04 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eIFXD-0002Hk-4x for 27445@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 10:04:59 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:60665) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eIFXD-0002Ha-1Z; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 10:04:55 -0500 Received: from du-a.org ([219.94.251.20]:41146 helo=localhost.localdomain) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eIFXB-0000l8-Uh; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 10:04:54 -0500 Message-ID: From: Daiki Ueno To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#27445: 26.0.50; Insufficient documentation for pinentry.el References: <87vano7ihu.fsf@drachen> <878tfy15lw.fsf@web.de> <83vaiz63f3.fsf@gnu.org> <83zi7jgbka.fsf@gnu.org> <87h8tqg30t.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> <83eford3rw.fsf@gnu.org> <87ine35roo.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> <83po8ab9jk.fsf@gnu.org> <87zi7d7qhx.fsf@web.de> <87lgixvayl.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> <87y3mww419.fsf@web.de> <83efonaj7y.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 16:04:45 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83efonaj7y.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 24 Nov 2017 15:40:01 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 27445 Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, 27445@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Eli Zaretskii writes: > Please don't use such language here, certainly not when replying to > legitimate bug reports. Legitimate bug reports should report the root problem to the relevant project (GnuPG or Debian), instead of insisting on documenting a broken behavior inherently caused by an external factor. Otherwise, they even don't notice there is a problem. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 24 10:42:24 2017 Received: (at 27445) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Nov 2017 15:42:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56120 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eIG7U-0002Eb-1V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 10:42:24 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59870) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eIG7S-0002EP-Of for 27445@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 10:42:23 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eIG7M-0006uN-Or for 27445@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 10:42:17 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:32927) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eIG7G-0006oo-2h; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 10:42:10 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3106 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eIG7E-0007PP-5f; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 10:42:09 -0500 Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 17:41:41 +0200 Message-Id: <83609zadl6.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Daiki Ueno In-reply-to: (message from Daiki Ueno on Fri, 24 Nov 2017 16:04:45 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#27445: 26.0.50; Insufficient documentation for pinentry.el References: <87vano7ihu.fsf@drachen> <878tfy15lw.fsf@web.de> <83vaiz63f3.fsf@gnu.org> <83zi7jgbka.fsf@gnu.org> <87h8tqg30t.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> <83eford3rw.fsf@gnu.org> <87ine35roo.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> <83po8ab9jk.fsf@gnu.org> <87zi7d7qhx.fsf@web.de> <87lgixvayl.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> <87y3mww419.fsf@web.de> <83efonaj7y.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 27445 Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, 27445@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Daiki Ueno > Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, 27445@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 16:04:45 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Please don't use such language here, certainly not when replying to > > legitimate bug reports. > > Legitimate bug reports should report the root problem to the relevant > project (GnuPG or Debian), instead of insisting on documenting a broken > behavior inherently caused by an external factor. Feel free to point that out, but without insulting the people who report problems here. We don't want to discourage users from reporting issues because they are afraid of being publicly humiliated. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 24 12:54:25 2017 Received: (at 27445) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Nov 2017 17:54:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56322 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eIIBE-00011H-9I for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 12:54:25 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51287) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eIIBC-000114-PT for 27445@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 12:54:23 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eIIB6-0003rq-Gk for 27445@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 12:54:17 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:36108) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eIIB0-0003RX-A3; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 12:54:10 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eIIAz-00013v-Tn; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 12:54:10 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Daiki Ueno In-reply-to: (message from Daiki Ueno on Fri, 24 Nov 2017 11:49:09 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#27445: 26.0.50; Insufficient documentation for pinentry.el References: <87vano7ihu.fsf@drachen> <878tfy15lw.fsf@web.de> <83vaiz63f3.fsf@gnu.org> <83zi7jgbka.fsf@gnu.org> <87h8tqg30t.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> <83eford3rw.fsf@gnu.org> <87ine35roo.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> <83po8ab9jk.fsf@gnu.org> <87zi7d7qhx.fsf@web.de> <87lgixvayl.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> <87y3mww419.fsf@web.de> Message-Id: Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 12:54:09 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 27445 Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, 27445@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > We can remove the option too then. Personally, I am happy with the > graphical prompt, because it's more secure than entering passwords > through Emacs. Please keep Emacs and GOG working together on text terminals too. That is how I use them. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See https://stallman.org/skype.html. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 27 17:13:06 2017 Received: (at 27445) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Nov 2017 22:13:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33162 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eJReD-0002RN-QX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Nov 2017 17:13:05 -0500 Received: from mail2.protonmail.ch ([185.70.40.22]:57661) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eJReC-0002RF-9R for 27445@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Nov 2017 17:13:04 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 17:12:35 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=default; t=1511820756; bh=ZAyE3Q6OxrunHhvvruZuNH8O+xmm8uZwbRr1/yRzvq4=; h=Date:To:From:Reply-To:Subject:Feedback-ID:From; b=sNo4Sr8HPROA5IVyhSqsX4l3620WTK70aD1500dHsdvEZFAak4LsF0YL8gwZLP1MO Ustpl3SEFwLZcMUe4Ngo+eCeTMrp9Ykj5dL/QIX5UU3WQX/SAvbYAcK73HaoluT6z0 4c6t+NzDMVoXd5LFLeNbS2iB24nJxuyMmI7qXOT8= To: "27445@debbugs.gnu.org" <27445@debbugs.gnu.org> From: diego Subject: bug#27445: 26.0.50; Insufficient documentation for pinentry.el Message-ID: <-DBV-SblJlEI5k3sa3TNoDit9oGkfcvxzv-MlBjckBPp7eQrkgJ0B1OpRopBp3iiTC3dUGnRQQVvZIi64QlbU_9f9zWMhpK-sJAvUiDfj7Q=@protonmail.com> Feedback-ID: SQ3faDLoiCgrW8ZWhclzbYoAmga_PxjX20eCZ3w9EeTtMRQoAsmw6PoQAIhEmt1BeqpOIidS6dBtkempCXDFGQ==:Ext:ProtonMail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on mail.protonmail.ch X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 27445 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: diego Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) I see pinentry.el was removed from emacs master - is it worth mentioning it= did more than the functionality stated as making it obsolete?=0A=0AFor exa= mple, as long as INSIDE_EMACS was set, I could decrypt files using gpg from= eshell or term and be prompted through the minibuffer, and git could sign = commits while prompting through the minibuffer as well. =0A=0AI guess I'm s= aying it seems to me that pinentry.el had more use than just being used by = epa. =0A=0A=E2=80=8B- diego=0A=0A=E2=80=8B=0A=0A From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 12 04:19:11 2017 Received: (at 27445) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Dec 2017 09:19:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57682 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eOgiU-0006u6-V0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 04:19:11 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]:53175) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eOgiT-0006tq-9s for 27445@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 04:19:09 -0500 Received: from W530 ([109.91.38.89]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx101 [212.227.17.174]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MDm4o-1eGROS2R3e-00HBKj for <27445@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 10:19:02 +0100 From: Rasmus To: 27445@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: bug#27445: 26.0.50; Insufficient documentation for pinentry.el Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwCAMAAABg3Am1AAAAD1BMVEWTuOCdxfI3dLMuMTf3 9/egp9D5AAAByklEQVRIx5VVCXZDIQgExvufuQKi4JKk9NU0/QwzbF8ipsPYfvwJ7w58Q5gz84L9 YKz+M2D80uQ9TITEie6i6zdBmHyQvQxoYUCw8JtClr9ChPkLh2QCQ3xy74+yf7cGoR8JRuINUWhi /siAirjXv8fYJAXg3nX970WT8DNj5pkEkqYYE97dNTXcAHv7OCWxFO11mrPFHtpnOuWcAZzWJP42 DB6AtB/Ju/gnhPhDy3lIGRD3n2k7YvTBV4pHLUPQjN0WEnD6/ewfRdDqnU/RlB7ydYzoANCIxlxj 2ykHQcPmSKs+/bwBqFBsfFfAJKDExG9JNeQGoAsA9AZwAVjLFFCk7ACUyLDhoDcDYyDGK8++AVn0 CXAbr8DWCoI2gIaM9yklgR1BVRIVhvWKxTkfxBy3x2ide2L4x7hmgE6jI8RPX4GRcPMPyYBGStl6 TI3PWMV1kLUk56CI5vnCM295jVA0xYyqgu5pXLS6sQCSq2TtbKSn9KJqwr7OrqdlTWOTZXpYyvOO W7oywERQswXV6zOah/w+QN3NGVA1iciKv+9FbNKYII3thpW5F3ebVlFPSLg75MVghZLDsG8T7NKO zdmcT8C4tHUU/mV/LFoQAGTQGa8AAAAASUVORK5CYII= Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 10:19:02 +0100 Message-ID: <87bmj4483d.fsf@gmx.us> User-Agent: Emacs Gnus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:r5ghLPOooWlAeM91EJUmTggnAz/wmS52XkhiPLp3oClerGJpN3P 6gdy8cN/VeeXJ7N8PxeP+wVIHTtl2zmv83/O1c+3TYpslexVKjrQlp9Y0DmgQ5emLucXHPr 1qMFchvXA/hp290Q0DjLeYm2BsNSQ/PLanWNTgZbFBSfVAH64S2h24x1v430ul4DTrk1ZCC Xa40oDxYT/8oNhpNhHkag== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:Sd3CgrpnRqY=:9xGX/RACda3T6un6d6i6UO 8jp6NSGqL5OZ5yvu91YSwgCjrhXinZ9WVVZkVOx2HEcqU1b1uVF/7Zaq5FtI5U2jwD9g/i36E ft6LRwamUuy1xbFMDIptR1ZnX2T2sytwqNvvxYIzVuwPOOZWGVlTtAIsxF3ocnyMh58Ow6oXk n0FKx5Qep/YtEu7kEReZmUXpnTLvM8D2fTazviZqyFDYuGkiBuZgInLtEUUE157PnZuoVOix1 KMz0YG3eLeFWi9mja7+Da5ZDHnO8rMsfCQ5XpkUcvE4EDKrkTbdo/6HjzvgTdu9Oe0So6cFkd vffnpBDUM5igCVAknVpRBwG0dpNzPHwBn/dJ54gKXK824FX1LC1n0SZq2bsyhzC6mxuGFHOJr Cz3PKwgzdH77VUGV8yDRHI4g6azz8dmbURu62j+/F4qongpC6KXz045dCrcH20Q7xMAYrn/TP 4eMNE+m8yBTgqWVDMLl6WkXdRm5/A2hx7eaEAiq9B6tsc8Jpm0NITuJ32OkV2CNnCYXgmsiXD AVe0L62hjKH/F8fg/uYDRTtjeFwgiVlhBXk9pDd2tZYtL8+E/eXe6aUZ4eiAuc2t7TtOyOTJk CLdo3n9TXfO4WlAkV5uKRm/N8dB1gryhEaXiCIKEshBTxc0C2NoUWy/XBtjbgqzsM4fvb5JrY 9DFP4CPm5nnruyTteYZJkOQ0uMalTfzVZ3Fu4QjvTBYD0uudLofGTNlnc/wFukZa76MzeU95O +73pOUemlUmxXME2nahbirCr4CGI1fWfJn9axMQRfXdPEIraWk78a+uTCRs9sWuDg2/GPthGr bjBPxpdVo9FhBQrFmTi7ASfY6DVWIIb4DbFfkOiYHPApS1d80w= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 27445 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Hi, I also noticed that pinentry was removed, as I used to call pinentry-start in my init.el. Would it be worth mentioning the removal of pinentry in the NEWS file? If so, should the entry recommend simply set the epa-pinentry-mode instead, probably to loopback? Thanks, Rasmus From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 22 04:49:59 2017 Received: (at 27445-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Dec 2017 09:49:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46882 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eSJxn-0004ch-9K for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Dec 2017 04:49:59 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48460) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eSJxm-0004cQ-0F for 27445-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Dec 2017 04:49:58 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eSJxc-0007ZA-Oh for 27445-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Dec 2017 04:49:52 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:39923) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eSJxc-0007Z6-Ln; Fri, 22 Dec 2017 04:49:48 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1802 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eSJxb-00011i-VS; Fri, 22 Dec 2017 04:49:48 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2017 11:49:45 +0200 Message-Id: <83h8sjm6rq.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Rasmus In-reply-to: <87bmj4483d.fsf@gmx.us> (message from Rasmus on Tue, 12 Dec 2017 10:19:02 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#27445: 26.0.50; Insufficient documentation for pinentry.el References: <87vano7ihu.fsf@drachen> <87bmj4483d.fsf@gmx.us> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 27445-done Cc: 27445-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Rasmus > Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 10:19:02 +0100 > > I also noticed that pinentry was removed, as I used to call pinentry-start > in my init.el. > > Would it be worth mentioning the removal of pinentry in the NEWS file? If > so, should the entry recommend simply set the epa-pinentry-mode instead, > probably to loopback? Thanks, done. From unknown Wed Aug 20 06:39:40 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 12:24:04 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator