From unknown Mon Jun 23 18:31:56 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#27350: 25.2; Make `inhibit-compacting-font-caches' customizable Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 14:35:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 27350 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 27350@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.149736445018047 (code B ref -1); Tue, 13 Jun 2017 14:35:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jun 2017 14:34:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46061 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dKmtT-0004gy-2I for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 10:34:10 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50503) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dKmtO-0004gR-DX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 10:34:05 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dKmtI-0000Yr-HJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 10:33:57 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:60140) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dKmtI-0000Ym-EL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 10:33:56 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41454) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dKmtC-0000xX-7Q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 10:33:56 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dKmt2-0000N9-SB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 10:33:50 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:39684) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dKmt2-0000KK-Gf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 10:33:40 -0400 Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id v5DEXb0r021282 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 14:33:37 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v5DEXadS012561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 14:33:36 GMT Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v5DEXaqj031648 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 14:33:36 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <548efd73-7fb5-45ef-979d-59623d31df3b@default> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 07:33:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6767.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) Subject line says it all. Please consider making this variable customizable (a defcustom). And consider documenting it in the Emacs manual. See, e.g., https://emacs.stackexchange.com/q/33510/105. In GNU Emacs 25.2.1 (x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2017-04-24 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --without-dbus --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static -g3'' From unknown Mon Jun 23 18:31:56 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#27350: 25.2; Make `inhibit-compacting-font-caches' customizable Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 15:04:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 27350 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 27350@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 27350-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B27350.149736620620639 (code B ref 27350); Tue, 13 Jun 2017 15:04:01 +0000 Received: (at 27350) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jun 2017 15:03:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46105 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dKnLq-0005Mp-0q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 11:03:26 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59469) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dKnLn-0005Mb-PP for 27350@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 11:03:24 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dKnLd-0002r4-Qg for 27350@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 11:03:18 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:44897) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dKnLT-0002fy-Kn; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 11:03:03 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4572 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1dKnLS-0004mk-NS; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 11:03:03 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 18:02:53 +0300 Message-Id: <83fuf43p7m.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <548efd73-7fb5-45ef-979d-59623d31df3b@default> (message from Drew Adams on Tue, 13 Jun 2017 07:33:34 -0700 (PDT)) References: <548efd73-7fb5-45ef-979d-59623d31df3b@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) tag 27350 wontfix quit > Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 07:33:34 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > > Subject line says it all. Please consider making this variable > customizable (a defcustom). And consider documenting it in the Emacs > manual. > > See, e.g., https://emacs.stackexchange.com/q/33510/105. This variable is a "fire escape": it only exists because we were unable to fix some of the situations where the slow-down happens (in other cases changing the end-user font configuration fixed the problem). Ideally, it will some day go away. Making it a defcustom and documenting it will make removing it harder. So no, I don't think we should do what you suggest, leaky postings on Stackexchange notwithstanding. (And those postings actually harm the project, because all such problems should be reported as bugs, allowing us to investigate as many of these problems as possible, and hopefully helping us eventually find the culprit. "Solving" them on Stackexchange avoids bringing more of such problems to our attention.) From unknown Mon Jun 23 18:31:56 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#27350: 25.2; Make `inhibit-compacting-font-caches' customizable Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 17:03:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 27350 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 27350@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 27350-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B27350.149737334912522 (code B ref 27350); Tue, 13 Jun 2017 17:03:01 +0000 Received: (at 27350) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jun 2017 17:02:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46172 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dKpD3-0003Ft-3h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 13:02:29 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:18535) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dKpD0-0003EH-QA for 27350@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 13:02:27 -0400 Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id v5DH2JtT029283 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Jun 2017 17:02:20 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v5DH2JGa014713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Jun 2017 17:02:19 GMT Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v5DH2ILG029486; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 17:02:19 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <750f3b75-e3b0-4953-aae1-5635721f5d62@default> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 10:02:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: <548efd73-7fb5-45ef-979d-59623d31df3b@default> <83fuf43p7m.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83fuf43p7m.fsf@gnu.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6767.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) > This variable is a "fire escape": it only exists because we were > unable to fix some of the situations where the slow-down happens (in > other cases changing the end-user font configuration fixed the > problem). Ideally, it will some day go away. Making it a defcustom > and documenting it will make removing it harder. I see. In that case, agreed. Perhaps NEWS should characterize it that way, instead of nearly suggesting that it is a user variable: "Set this variable to a non-nil value to speed up display of ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ characters using large fonts, at the price of a larger memory footprint." > So no, I don't think we should do what you suggest, leaky postings on > Stackexchange notwithstanding. (And those postings actually harm the > project, because all such problems should be reported as bugs, > allowing us to investigate as many of these problems as possible, and > hopefully helping us eventually find the culprit. "Solving" them on > Stackexchange avoids bringing more of such problems to our attention.) I'm glad I brought it to your attention, in that case. ;-) You know where to find the person with the problem, if you want more info about that specific case. And you can also consider addressing the referenced "GitHub discussion thread" (I haven't looked at it), either to get further info about specific problems encountered or to let folks there know that you would prefer that they raise an Emacs bug. Both of those references should presumably help you gather info about "as many of these problems as possible". From unknown Mon Jun 23 18:31:56 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#27350: 25.2; Make `inhibit-compacting-font-caches' customizable Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 19:44:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 27350 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: Drew Adams Cc: 27350@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 27350-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B27350.149738302327051 (code B ref 27350); Tue, 13 Jun 2017 19:44:02 +0000 Received: (at 27350) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jun 2017 19:43:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46253 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dKrj5-00072F-55 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 15:43:43 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:39658) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dKrj2-000721-S8 for 27350@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 15:43:41 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dKrit-0007L8-Um for 27350@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 15:43:35 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:48809) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dKrit-0007L4-RU; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 15:43:31 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1064 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1dKrih-0004Yq-QZ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 15:43:31 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 22:41:45 +0300 Message-Id: <834lvj4qva.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <750f3b75-e3b0-4953-aae1-5635721f5d62@default> (message from Drew Adams on Tue, 13 Jun 2017 10:02:17 -0700 (PDT)) References: <548efd73-7fb5-45ef-979d-59623d31df3b@default> <83fuf43p7m.fsf@gnu.org> <750f3b75-e3b0-4953-aae1-5635721f5d62@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 10:02:17 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 27350@debbugs.gnu.org > > I'm glad I brought it to your attention, in that case. ;-) But you didn't: the problem reported by the OP doesn't reproduce on my machine. That's why we need the people who actually have those problems to talk to us: we need to ask them to try several things in order to attempt to find the reason. > And you can also consider addressing the referenced "GitHub > discussion thread" I'm familiar with that thread, and the problem reported there is fixed in Emacs 26. So no, that doesn't help either. > Both of those references should presumably help you gather > info about "as many of these problems as possible". They don't. We need to have people with the problem report the details and be ready to work with us on them. From unknown Mon Jun 23 18:31:56 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#27350: 25.2; Make `inhibit-compacting-font-caches' customizable Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 20:07:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 27350 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Cc: 27350@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 27350-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B27350.149738438129089 (code B ref 27350); Tue, 13 Jun 2017 20:07:01 +0000 Received: (at 27350) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jun 2017 20:06:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46268 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dKs4y-0007Z6-NH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 16:06:20 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:42257) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dKs4w-0007Yt-PN for 27350@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 16:06:19 -0400 Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id v5DK6BP7028923 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Jun 2017 20:06:12 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v5DK6BYW026977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Jun 2017 20:06:11 GMT Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v5DK6Bup010303; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 20:06:11 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <6b87621e-b418-415a-b48a-3db2365ba66c@default> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 13:06:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: <<548efd73-7fb5-45ef-979d-59623d31df3b@default>> <<83fuf43p7m.fsf@gnu.org>> <<750f3b75-e3b0-4953-aae1-5635721f5d62@default>> <<834lvj4qva.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<834lvj4qva.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6767.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) > > I'm glad I brought it to your attention, in that case. ;-) >=20 > But you didn't: the problem reported by the OP doesn't reproduce on my > machine. That's why we need the people who actually have those > problems to talk to us: we need to ask them to try several things in > order to attempt to find the reason. Which is why I pointed you to the OP, so you can ask the OP such things. > > And you can also consider addressing the referenced "GitHub > > discussion thread" >=20 > I'm familiar with that thread, and the problem reported there is fixed > in Emacs 26. So no, that doesn't help either. >=20 > > Both of those references should presumably help you gather > > info about "as many of these problems as possible". >=20 > They don't. We need to have people with the problem report the > details and be ready to work with us on them. See above. Or maybe you have already contacted the OP and have determined that the OP is not able or willing to give you the details and work with you on them. From unknown Mon Jun 23 18:31:56 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#27350: #27350 25.2; Make `inhibit-compacting-font-caches' customizable References: <548efd73-7fb5-45ef-979d-59623d31df3b@default> In-Reply-To: <548efd73-7fb5-45ef-979d-59623d31df3b@default> Resent-From: "Felix E. Klee" Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 11:55:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 27350 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: 27350@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 27350-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B27350.149752764813440 (code B ref 27350); Thu, 15 Jun 2017 11:55:01 +0000 Received: (at 27350) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2017 11:54:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48644 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dLTLk-0003Ui-Di for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 07:54:08 -0400 Received: from quechua.inka.de ([193.197.184.2]:44561 helo=mail.inka.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dLTLi-0003UZ-Lj for 27350@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 07:54:07 -0400 Received: from mail-qt0-f174.google.com (mail-qt0-f174.google.com [209.85.216.174]) by mail.inka.de with esmtpsa id 1dLTLg-0008Re-6Q; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 13:54:04 +0200 Received: by mail-qt0-f174.google.com with SMTP id u19so16858978qta.3 for <27350@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 04:54:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: AKS2vOz4txxuTtKF6VaTUdZfT+pdHwbFHjDvqVEMTHI4UzB1pXJrtwnq T9kg0xyhZ86+3KdTt6amAzOKaFw+cVng X-Received: by 10.200.8.13 with SMTP id u13mr6088981qth.233.1497527642776; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 04:54:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.23.229 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 04:53:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [194.94.133.9] From: "Felix E. Klee" Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 13:53:32 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Hi there! I am the guy who asked on StackExchange. Let me know if there is anything that I can do to help you reproduce the bug. Perhaps the fonts that are on my system are an issue. Browsing through the characters in [unicode.txt][1] and with =E2=80=98xub-mode=E2=80=99 enab= led, I find four fonts: -- -outline-Consolas-normal-normal-normal-mono-16-*-*-*-c-*-iso8859-1 -- -outline-BatangChe-normal-normal-normal-mono-16-*-*-*-c-*-gb2312.1980-0 -- -outline-MS Gothic-normal-normal-normal-mono-16-*-*-*-c-*-jisx0208*-* -- -outline-Symbola-normal-normal-normal-serif-16-*-*-*-p-*-iso10646-1 If there is a way to list all the fonts used in a file, I=E2=80=99m curious= to hear about it. Hardware: ThinkPad T420s Operating system: 64bit Windows 7 Text editor: GNU Emacs 25.2.1 (x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2017-04-24 [1]: http://ergoemacs.org/emacs/unicode.txt From unknown Mon Jun 23 18:31:56 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#27350: #27350 25.2; Make `inhibit-compacting-font-caches' customizable Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 14:40:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 27350 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: "Felix E. Klee" Cc: 27350@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 27350-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B27350.149753755529352 (code B ref 27350); Thu, 15 Jun 2017 14:40:01 +0000 Received: (at 27350) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2017 14:39:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49710 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dLVvX-0007dM-9b for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 10:39:15 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:49245) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dLVvW-0007d9-10 for 27350@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 10:39:14 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dLVvN-0004vf-Jv for 27350@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 10:39:08 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:52540) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dLVvN-0004vb-GS; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 10:39:05 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2971 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1dLVvM-0000cl-6f; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 10:39:05 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 17:38:45 +0300 Message-Id: <83fuf12u4q.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: (felix.klee@inka.de) References: <548efd73-7fb5-45ef-979d-59623d31df3b@default> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: "Felix E. Klee" > Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 13:53:32 +0200 > > Hi there! I am the guy who asked on StackExchange. Let me know if there > is anything that I can do to help you reproduce the bug. Thanks for showing up. > Perhaps the fonts that are on my system are an issue. Browsing through > the characters in [unicode.txt][1] and with ‘xub-mode’ enabled, I find > four fonts: > > -- -outline-Consolas-normal-normal-normal-mono-16-*-*-*-c-*-iso8859-1 > > -- -outline-BatangChe-normal-normal-normal-mono-16-*-*-*-c-*-gb2312.1980-0 > > -- -outline-MS Gothic-normal-normal-normal-mono-16-*-*-*-c-*-jisx0208*-* > > -- -outline-Symbola-normal-normal-normal-serif-16-*-*-*-p-*-iso10646-1 > > If there is a way to list all the fonts used in a file, I’m curious to > hear about it. It should be easy to write a function that goes over all the face changes in a buffer and adds the faces' fonts to some list. However, what we really want is not the list of all the fonts, but only those fonts which slow down redisplay. So what I suggest is to move point slowly through the buffer, notice the positions where it takes Emacs significantly more time to update the cursor position, and then look at the fonts only in those places. (My guess would be that Ming-Liu, Batang-Che, and perhaps also Gothic are the offending fonts.) FWIW, on my system most of the funny characters are displayed using Arial Unicode MS, and I see no perceptible slowdown. Maybe you could try setting up Emacs to do the same, and see if the problem goes away. Let me know if you need guidance for how to set that up. Thanks. From unknown Mon Jun 23 18:31:56 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#27350: #27350 25.2; Make `inhibit-compacting-font-caches' customizable Resent-From: "Felix E. Klee" Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 15:47:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 27350 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 27350@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 27350-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B27350.14975416213521 (code B ref 27350); Thu, 15 Jun 2017 15:47:01 +0000 Received: (at 27350) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2017 15:47:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49797 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dLWz7-0000uj-0R for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 11:47:01 -0400 Received: from quechua.inka.de ([193.197.184.2]:45731 helo=mail.inka.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dLWz4-0000uY-ON for 27350@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 11:46:59 -0400 Received: from mail-yw0-f171.google.com (mail-yw0-f171.google.com [209.85.161.171]) by mail.inka.de with esmtpsa id 1dLWz3-00067E-6H; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 17:46:57 +0200 Received: by mail-yw0-f171.google.com with SMTP id l75so8265794ywc.3 for <27350@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 08:46:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: AKS2vOyfwNtWB66nKbOKUJTXS/qecqtC9whOcpiWaI6cjjTrajRG9ake Y7EYCJcQBdIyNl2DrJ/bWAVLdKZxboX+ X-Received: by 10.55.73.132 with SMTP id w126mr7556784qka.31.1497541616178; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 08:46:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.23.229 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 08:46:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [194.94.133.9] In-Reply-To: <83fuf12u4q.fsf@gnu.org> References: <548efd73-7fb5-45ef-979d-59623d31df3b@default> <83fuf12u4q.fsf@gnu.org> From: "Felix E. Klee" Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 17:46:25 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) When I prepared the list, I was in Emacs with my configuration. Now in Emacs started with option =E2=80=98-Q=E2=80=99 fonts are slightly different= : -- -outline-Courier New-normal-normal-normal-mono-13-*-*-*-c-*-iso8859-1 -- -outline-BatangChe-normal-normal-normal-mono-13-*-*-*-c-*-gb2312.1980-= 0 -- -outline-MS Gothic-normal-normal-normal-mono-13-*-*-*-c-*-jisx0208*-* -- -outline-MS Gothic-normal-normal-normal-mono-13-*-*-*-c-*-jisx0208*-* On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 4:38 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > However, what we really want is not the list of all the fonts, but > only those fonts which slow down redisplay. Everything is slow. Even navigating point over the Latin (Courier) characters is slow. > I see no perceptible slowdown. Maybe your system is faster. I suggest using a CPU monitor and moving point around in =E2=80=98unicode.txt=E2=80=99. In the Windows Task manager,= when doing that, I see Emacs maxing out one entire CPU thread (25%, as my CPU has four threads). > Let me know if you need guidance for how to set that up. [Arial > Unicode MS] If you could post the necessary config lines, that would be great! The font is installed on my system. From unknown Mon Jun 23 18:31:56 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#27350: #27350 25.2; Make `inhibit-compacting-font-caches' customizable Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 16:02:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 27350 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: "Felix E. Klee" Cc: 27350@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 27350-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B27350.14975425094962 (code B ref 27350); Thu, 15 Jun 2017 16:02:02 +0000 Received: (at 27350) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2017 16:01:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49810 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dLXDQ-0001Hy-Nx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 12:01:48 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48624) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dLXDP-0001Hm-EB for 27350@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 12:01:47 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dLXDE-0005Dl-Rn for 27350@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 12:01:41 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:54471) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dLXDE-0005Dg-P6; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 12:01:36 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3555 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1dLXDE-0005Fn-49; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 12:01:36 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 19:01:30 +0300 Message-Id: <838tkt2qat.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: (felix.klee@inka.de) References: <548efd73-7fb5-45ef-979d-59623d31df3b@default> <83fuf12u4q.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: "Felix E. Klee" > Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 17:46:25 +0200 > Cc: 27350@debbugs.gnu.org > > > However, what we really want is not the list of all the fonts, but > > only those fonts which slow down redisplay. > > Everything is slow. Even navigating point over the Latin (Courier) > characters is slow. Even if you shrink the window so that only Latin characters are visible? > > I see no perceptible slowdown. > > Maybe your system is faster. I sincerely doubt that. This box is 5 years old, it cannot be too fast by today's standards. > If you could post the necessary config lines, that would be great! The > font is installed on my system. OK, will do later. As a first approximation, try this: emacs -Q -fn "Arial Unicode MS" This will make that font the default font, and Emacs should also use it for most/all the funny characters that are supported by Arial. I'd be interested to know if this is still slow. From unknown Mon Jun 23 18:31:56 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#27350: #27350 25.2; Make `inhibit-compacting-font-caches' customizable Resent-From: "Felix E. Klee" Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 16:25:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 27350 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 27350@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 27350-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B27350.14975438587102 (code B ref 27350); Thu, 15 Jun 2017 16:25:02 +0000 Received: (at 27350) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2017 16:24:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49836 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dLXZC-0001qU-GU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 12:24:18 -0400 Received: from quechua.inka.de ([193.197.184.2]:45909 helo=mail.inka.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dLXZB-0001qM-Ei for 27350@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 12:24:17 -0400 Received: from mail-yw0-f177.google.com (mail-yw0-f177.google.com [209.85.161.177]) by mail.inka.de with esmtpsa id 1dLXZA-0007KF-6u; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 18:24:16 +0200 Received: by mail-yw0-f177.google.com with SMTP id l75so8975289ywc.3 for <27350@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 09:24:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: AKS2vOxVWo9vStYPfSBlJGYvfQh5Jzx6t5Hv+u5T+7Jh6oktFNE5ueHS slJiqXPnfAFRgeQ2W4kkUE93mNE6K9Ba X-Received: by 10.55.72.198 with SMTP id v189mr7050610qka.133.1497543855113; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 09:24:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.23.229 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 09:23:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [194.94.133.9] In-Reply-To: <838tkt2qat.fsf@gnu.org> References: <548efd73-7fb5-45ef-979d-59623d31df3b@default> <83fuf12u4q.fsf@gnu.org> <838tkt2qat.fsf@gnu.org> From: "Felix E. Klee" Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 18:23:44 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 6:01 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Even if you shrink the window so that only Latin characters are > visible? That does the trick. Fonts that are unproblematic: -- -outline-Courier New-normal-normal-normal-mono-13-*-*-*-c-*-iso8859-1 -- -outline-Symbola-normal-normal-normal-serif-13-*-*-*-p-*-iso10646-1 -- -outline-BatangChe-normal-normal-normal-mono-13-*-*-*-c-*-gb2312.1980-= 0 Fonts that cause a slow-down: -- -outline-MingLiU-normal-normal-normal-mono-13-*-*-*-c-*-iso10646-1 -- -outline-MS Gothic-normal-normal-normal-mono-13-*-*-*-c-*-jisx0208*-* > emacs -Q -fn "Arial Unicode MS" Indeed that makes the problem go away. Still it=E2=80=99s not a solution as= I prefer the other fonts, and I don=E2=80=99t see why they should be avoided. From unknown Mon Jun 23 18:31:56 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#27350: #27350 25.2; Make `inhibit-compacting-font-caches' customizable Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 18:24:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 27350 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: "Felix E. Klee" Cc: 27350@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 27350-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B27350.149755103524511 (code B ref 27350); Thu, 15 Jun 2017 18:24:01 +0000 Received: (at 27350) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2017 18:23:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49887 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dLZQw-0006NH-Im for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 14:23:54 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:53128) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dLZQu-0006N4-CO for 27350@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 14:23:53 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dLZQk-0001TL-E7 for 27350@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 14:23:47 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:56752) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dLZQk-0001T6-AW; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 14:23:42 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3597 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1dLZQi-0007S9-Pd; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 14:23:42 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 21:23:28 +0300 Message-Id: <837f0d2jq7.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: (felix.klee@inka.de) References: <548efd73-7fb5-45ef-979d-59623d31df3b@default> <83fuf12u4q.fsf@gnu.org> <838tkt2qat.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: "Felix E. Klee" > Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 18:23:44 +0200 > Cc: 27350@debbugs.gnu.org > > On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 6:01 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Even if you shrink the window so that only Latin characters are > > visible? > > That does the trick. Fonts that are unproblematic: > > -- -outline-Courier New-normal-normal-normal-mono-13-*-*-*-c-*-iso8859-1 > > -- -outline-Symbola-normal-normal-normal-serif-13-*-*-*-p-*-iso10646-1 > > -- -outline-BatangChe-normal-normal-normal-mono-13-*-*-*-c-*-gb2312.1980-0 > > Fonts that cause a slow-down: > > -- -outline-MingLiU-normal-normal-normal-mono-13-*-*-*-c-*-iso10646-1 > > -- -outline-MS Gothic-normal-normal-normal-mono-13-*-*-*-c-*-jisx0208*-* Right. > > emacs -Q -fn "Arial Unicode MS" > > Indeed that makes the problem go away. Still it’s not a solution as I > prefer the other fonts, and I don’t see why they should be avoided. I didn't mean to suggest that this is the solution, just make sure that it isn't the characters themselves that cause this, it's the fonts used to display them. From unknown Mon Jun 23 18:31:56 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#27350: #27350 25.2; Make `inhibit-compacting-font-caches' customizable Resent-From: "Felix E. Klee" Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 10:22:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 27350 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 27350@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 27350-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B27350.149760848429439 (code B ref 27350); Fri, 16 Jun 2017 10:22:02 +0000 Received: (at 27350) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jun 2017 10:21:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50272 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dLoNY-0007el-Jf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 06:21:24 -0400 Received: from quechua.inka.de ([193.197.184.2]:44159 helo=mail.inka.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dLoNW-0007ec-FU for 27350@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 06:21:23 -0400 Received: from mail-qt0-f172.google.com (mail-qt0-f172.google.com [209.85.216.172]) by mail.inka.de with esmtpsa id 1dLoNU-0001wZ-4x; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 12:21:20 +0200 Received: by mail-qt0-f172.google.com with SMTP id w1so56484686qtg.2 for <27350@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 03:21:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: AKS2vOz9rYIZdmswfI8rHmxb3uC8Ax5ycV1p869mMxH65jLjVggGlBuc qhuvhLmtQlWpC/mjkPVrTrkcjI6t/2AA X-Received: by 10.55.214.78 with SMTP id t75mr11038031qki.239.1497608479014; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 03:21:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.23.229 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 03:20:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [194.94.133.9] In-Reply-To: <837f0d2jq7.fsf@gnu.org> References: <548efd73-7fb5-45ef-979d-59623d31df3b@default> <83fuf12u4q.fsf@gnu.org> <838tkt2qat.fsf@gnu.org> <837f0d2jq7.fsf@gnu.org> From: "Felix E. Klee" Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 12:20:48 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) FYI, a 2005 fontconfig bug report about slowness when loading MingLiU: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D3838 The solution is caching: =E2=80=9CTrueType fonts are broken in various ways= ; fontconfig works around this by scanning the entire font once and caching the result. That's why it caches things.=E2=80=9D Caching is fine with me. From unknown Mon Jun 23 18:31:56 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#27350: #27350 25.2; Make `inhibit-compacting-font-caches' customizable Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 13:02:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 27350 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: "Felix E. Klee" Cc: 27350@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 27350-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B27350.149761808225816 (code B ref 27350); Fri, 16 Jun 2017 13:02:02 +0000 Received: (at 27350) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jun 2017 13:01:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50432 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dLqsL-0006iK-UX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 09:01:22 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:52058) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dLqsK-0006i8-I0 for 27350@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 09:01:20 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dLqsB-00020a-4n for 27350@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 09:01:15 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:52546) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dLqsB-00020Q-1X; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 09:01:11 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4721 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1dLqsA-0004Zd-6m; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 09:01:10 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 16:00:59 +0300 Message-Id: <83k24c13zo.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: (felix.klee@inka.de) References: <548efd73-7fb5-45ef-979d-59623d31df3b@default> <83fuf12u4q.fsf@gnu.org> <838tkt2qat.fsf@gnu.org> <837f0d2jq7.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) > From: "Felix E. Klee" > Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 12:20:48 +0200 > Cc: 27350@debbugs.gnu.org > > FYI, a 2005 fontconfig bug report about slowness when loading MingLiU: > > https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3838 > > The solution is caching: “TrueType fonts are broken in various ways; > fontconfig works around this by scanning the entire font once and > caching the result. That's why it caches things.” Thanks for that data point. > Caching is fine with me. Patches are welcome. (I know almost nothing about fonts.) From unknown Mon Jun 23 18:31:56 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#27350: #27350 25.2; Make `inhibit-compacting-font-caches' customizable Resent-From: "Felix E. Klee" Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 13:26:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 27350 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 27350@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 27350-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B27350.149761953528109 (code B ref 27350); Fri, 16 Jun 2017 13:26:02 +0000 Received: (at 27350) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jun 2017 13:25:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50476 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dLrFm-0007JJ-Kj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 09:25:34 -0400 Received: from quechua.inka.de ([193.197.184.2]:59275 helo=mail.inka.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dLrFk-0007JA-0v for 27350@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 09:25:32 -0400 Received: from mail-yw0-f175.google.com (mail-yw0-f175.google.com [209.85.161.175]) by mail.inka.de with esmtpsa id 1dLrFi-00066v-GC; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 15:25:30 +0200 Received: by mail-yw0-f175.google.com with SMTP id e142so18516191ywa.1 for <27350@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 06:25:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: AKS2vOxCLFykEaiQ/Sujggb/QOtuFmtuf7p3kMA0NfbdU6zvY5qdwJ5U Y4nzxN6yE+zYuj0NEhbu0H+Ou8JKRstd X-Received: by 10.55.75.68 with SMTP id y65mr12593877qka.27.1497619529325; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 06:25:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.23.229 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 06:24:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [194.94.133.9] In-Reply-To: <83k24c13zo.fsf@gnu.org> References: <548efd73-7fb5-45ef-979d-59623d31df3b@default> <83fuf12u4q.fsf@gnu.org> <838tkt2qat.fsf@gnu.org> <837f0d2jq7.fsf@gnu.org> <83k24c13zo.fsf@gnu.org> From: "Felix E. Klee" Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 15:24:58 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 3:00 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Caching is fine with me. > > Patches are welcome. (I know almost nothing about fonts.) =E2=80=98inhibit-compacting-font-caches=E2=80=99 does the trick, at least f= or me. When I open =E2=80=98unicode.txt=E2=80=99, then the memory footprint of EMACS incr= eases by about 13 MB. That is less than 2 =E2=80=B0 of my system memory, negligible. From unknown Mon Jun 23 18:31:56 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#27350: #27350 25.2; Make `inhibit-compacting-font-caches' customizable Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 13:49:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 27350 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: "Felix E. Klee" Cc: 27350@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 27350-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B27350.149762090330309 (code B ref 27350); Fri, 16 Jun 2017 13:49:01 +0000 Received: (at 27350) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jun 2017 13:48:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50501 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dLrbr-0007sm-IE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 09:48:23 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38762) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dLrbq-0007sa-3u for 27350@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 09:48:22 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dLrbg-0000Tj-V6 for 27350@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 09:48:16 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:53324) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dLrbg-0000Tc-SA; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 09:48:12 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4775 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1dLrbf-0004iH-Db; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 09:48:12 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 16:47:43 +0300 Message-Id: <83a85811ts.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: (felix.klee@inka.de) References: <548efd73-7fb5-45ef-979d-59623d31df3b@default> <83fuf12u4q.fsf@gnu.org> <838tkt2qat.fsf@gnu.org> <837f0d2jq7.fsf@gnu.org> <83k24c13zo.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) > From: "Felix E. Klee" > Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 15:24:58 +0200 > Cc: 27350@debbugs.gnu.org > > On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 3:00 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> Caching is fine with me. > > > > Patches are welcome. (I know almost nothing about fonts.) > > ‘inhibit-compacting-font-caches’ does the trick, at least for me. When I > open ‘unicode.txt’, then the memory footprint of EMACS increases by > about 13 MB. That is less than 2 ‰ of my system memory, negligible. That variable inhibits compacting the frames' font caches globally. That is, they will never be compacted. So measuring the increase of the memory footprint for a small number of fonts is not the worst use case. An average system nowadays has many hundreds of fonts installed. Anyway, if that variable does the trick for you, and you are happy with it, by all means keep using it. That's why I added it. I just hoped we will be able to find a better solution, but I guess not yet. Thanks. From unknown Mon Jun 23 18:31:56 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Drew Adams Subject: bug#27350: closed (Re: bug#27350: #27350 25.2; Make `inhibit-compacting-font-caches' customizable) Message-ID: References: <548efd73-7fb5-45ef-979d-59623d31df3b@default> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 27350 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs X-Gnu-PR-Keywords: wontfix Reply-To: 27350@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 12:46:04 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1568378764-30762-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1568378764-30762-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #27350: 25.2; Make `inhibit-compacting-font-caches' customizable which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 27350@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 27350: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D27350 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1568378764-30762-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 27350-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Sep 2019 12:45:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44535 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i8kxT-0007nv-By for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 08:45:51 -0400 Received: from mail-pg1-f177.google.com ([209.85.215.177]:35732) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i8kxS-0007gx-9M for 27350-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 08:45:50 -0400 Received: by mail-pg1-f177.google.com with SMTP id n4so15224003pgv.2 for <27350-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 05:45:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=MLSTN1XHJgWFVEzYe0BtRYB2bRdxcsV0CTUci3+zcYc=; b=Mq5ewih/nt5WFlb0G4gRL8G/Vtf/0Bzbttv4lk5hdaNiyq+AEvSMrA4I48bdx0FztI 6d4mlSMCnXrfsj0mmjiW2/VpTcWjQRsofY/3mOCNe8t7ntE6R9zeHXGZ/NQhyzGnEd2v D5FTPJ3oGM5E8XfdAReuBtyHW2yNsRtYbZZxhKRjtLqIxGRKrtV8odcPl+YiCuRRE81R pBsGTIJSKhMrOxVySZ0j0Z4NdyE/fSxXFD9XdFibocgCyBB32wAGORZX2A/Qdi5GgEQy DW69g2ktlMc7xqMr+5PSwe751PwpDBN/KpHLVXwzLMl2RY3GCYWvVUvH16ahKNlByHPy cxVA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXMHMdAhTM4RQ0gzsYxqAVq9toIuqjZmWYiAlsKUbWFx7eifBuO 3cWBUCMgRqtT4a8tNUBJNFFafCTO5BfuNg5uwT1xu01c X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwTbNiw2KNTqD/0di4nzE7zzj2sh/ApXcKuNVrmy9XEFVp+m/cWwV8/2lgIrAoPfw/HeMHUH3tIonmhHcA6sEE= X-Received: by 2002:a63:ef4d:: with SMTP id c13mr6942361pgk.200.1568378744416; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 05:45:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Kangas Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 14:45:33 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#27350: #27350 25.2; Make `inhibit-compacting-font-caches' customizable To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 27350-done Cc: 27350-done@debbugs.gnu.org, "Felix E. Klee" X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: > Anyway, if that variable does the trick for you, and you are happy > with it, by all means keep using it. That's why I added it. I just > hoped we will be able to find a better solution, but I guess not yet. inhibit-compacting-font-caches is now t by default on Windows. Can we therefore close this bug report? Best regards, Stefan Kangas ------------=_1568378764-30762-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jun 2017 14:34:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46061 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dKmtT-0004gy-2I for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 10:34:10 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50503) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dKmtO-0004gR-DX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 10:34:05 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dKmtI-0000Yr-HJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 10:33:57 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:60140) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dKmtI-0000Ym-EL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 10:33:56 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41454) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dKmtC-0000xX-7Q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 10:33:56 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dKmt2-0000N9-SB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 10:33:50 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:39684) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dKmt2-0000KK-Gf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 10:33:40 -0400 Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id v5DEXb0r021282 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 14:33:37 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v5DEXadS012561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 14:33:36 GMT Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v5DEXaqj031648 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 14:33:36 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <548efd73-7fb5-45ef-979d-59623d31df3b@default> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 07:33:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 25.2; Make `inhibit-compacting-font-caches' customizable X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6767.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) Subject line says it all. Please consider making this variable customizable (a defcustom). And consider documenting it in the Emacs manual. See, e.g., https://emacs.stackexchange.com/q/33510/105. In GNU Emacs 25.2.1 (x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2017-04-24 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --without-dbus --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static -g3'' ------------=_1568378764-30762-1-- From unknown Mon Jun 23 18:31:56 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#27350: #27350 25.2; Make `inhibit-compacting-font-caches' customizable Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 13:48:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 27350 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: Stefan Kangas Cc: 27350@debbugs.gnu.org, felix.klee@inka.de Received: via spool by 27350-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B27350.156838244416495 (code B ref 27350); Fri, 13 Sep 2019 13:48:01 +0000 Received: (at 27350) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Sep 2019 13:47:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44581 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i8lv1-0004Hx-U4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 09:47:24 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:59131) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i8lv0-0004Hm-O6 for 27350@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 09:47:23 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:37298) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1i8luu-0000WO-RP; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 09:47:17 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1703 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1i8lut-0006Wl-KC; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 09:47:16 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 16:47:24 +0300 Message-Id: <83tv9gz4sz.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: (message from Stefan Kangas on Fri, 13 Sep 2019 14:45:33 +0200) References: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 14:45:33 +0200 > Cc: "Felix E. Klee" , 27350-done@debbugs.gnu.org > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Anyway, if that variable does the trick for you, and you are happy > > with it, by all means keep using it. That's why I added it. I just > > hoped we will be able to find a better solution, but I guess not yet. > > inhibit-compacting-font-caches is now t by default on Windows. Can we > therefore close this bug report? It's fine with me to close it, but the fact that the variable is now non-nil by default on MS-Windows has nothing to do with the decision whether to close it. I expressed my opinion about this long ago by tagging it as wontfix. Thanks.