From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jun 07 13:03:30 2017 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jun 2017 17:03:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33487 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dIeMk-00027F-6D for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2017 13:03:30 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:49635) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dIeMi-000272-AT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2017 13:03:29 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dIeMc-0001LU-F1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2017 13:03:23 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:36072) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dIeMc-0001LH-Bv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2017 13:03:22 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40598) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dIeMb-0007BE-59 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2017 13:03:22 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dIeMW-0001CL-6x for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2017 13:03:21 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:18593) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dIeMV-0001Bc-Su for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2017 13:03:16 -0400 Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id v57H3Dod025317 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 17:03:14 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v57H3DwR014085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 17:03:13 GMT Received: from abhmp0007.oracle.com (abhmp0007.oracle.com [141.146.116.13]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v57H3Br2029982 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 17:03:12 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <5f6e8bec-d1dc-4958-819a-ba38439f16b6@default> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 10:03:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 25.2; Be able to get back to the *Help* of query-replace X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6767.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) 1. Use `M-%' to do some query-replacing. Hit `?' during query-replacing, to see the query-replace help, in buffer *Help*. 2. Use a help command, such as `C-h f'. The contents of *Help* do not show a Back button, to get to the query-replace help. They should. In GNU Emacs 25.2.1 (x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2017-04-24 built on LAPHROAIG Windowing system distributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: 'configure --without-dbus --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static -g3'' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 21 13:45:33 2019 Received: (at 27277) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jul 2019 17:45:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59427 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpFtt-0008MI-1F for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 13:45:33 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:33224) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpFtq-0008M6-OR for 27277@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 13:45:31 -0400 Received: from [80.169.244.84] (helo=sandy) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hpFtm-0006Cm-Oz; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 19:45:29 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#27277: 25.2; Be able to get back to the *Help* of query-replace References: <5f6e8bec-d1dc-4958-819a-ba38439f16b6@default> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 19:45:26 +0200 In-Reply-To: <5f6e8bec-d1dc-4958-819a-ba38439f16b6@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Wed, 7 Jun 2017 10:03:09 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <8736iz46yx.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Drew Adams writes: > 1. Use `M-%' to do some query-replacing. Hit `?' during > query-replacing, to see the query-replace help, in buffer *Help*. > > 2. Use a help command, such as `C-h f'. The contents of *Help* do not [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 27277 Cc: 27277@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Drew Adams writes: > 1. Use `M-%' to do some query-replacing. Hit `?' during > query-replacing, to see the query-replace help, in buffer *Help*. > > 2. Use a help command, such as `C-h f'. The contents of *Help* do not > show a Back button, to get to the query-replace help. They should. I don't agree -- that seems like such a context-dependent help buffer that it's not very helpful to include that in the stack of help buffers. Other help buffers usually have links to things you can jump to and the like. 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Content preview: tags 27277 wontfix close 27277 quit Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) tags 27277 wontfix close 27277 quit From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 21 17:10:58 2019 Received: (at 27277) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jul 2019 21:10:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59587 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpJ6g-0003jz-Gs for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 17:10:58 -0400 Received: from userp2130.oracle.com ([156.151.31.86]:37710) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpJ6e-0003jh-FV for 27277@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 17:10:57 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id x6LL4M3S056121; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 21:10:50 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2018-07-02; bh=wlxJ2do7omztBKg5e7R9qApLfjYXxij1SSnjUWNHcQk=; b=G3bMW3nkCGq0bf97B9Ib40xueQsG4YT2EmyDE+UP75Jz3qeo2b3QuWHI/M5R3XYE9LPV BW0AjN0MwKAH5Kq/vQXrEsDfpzhVaosKcdizkGKlviXPVZe66j2EmTeJ/47m5A9DjAp6 ganxI837g96TuZmG2EMZIUIIJ8Jaotw22HIqCI0KpditqJfBhf8jcs8thuZ9/XCGUjpJ qyavv5LbnMW3HKNsBI4HoDOjyWzbkvl9X+hkUkEvdUOjRlouEamoxsk/n1mvg0/gjAlX 1qd2bAFYQDF25Bh6rcQfRGKj/YFPPQG0+OgMEFNqM2Bhid263Lq9gKu2IpKDT6GbmNXg /w== Received: from userp3030.oracle.com (userp3030.oracle.com [156.151.31.80]) by userp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2tutct3eq4-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 21 Jul 2019 21:10:49 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (userp3030.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3030.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id x6LL8EvZ134930; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 21:10:49 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2tur2tg9f1-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 21 Jul 2019 21:10:49 +0000 Received: from abhmp0014.oracle.com (abhmp0014.oracle.com [141.146.116.20]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id x6LLAmBt025196; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 21:10:48 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <8ae1efe0-fcf3-442b-a371-c42a50ff8556@default> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 14:10:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: RE: bug#27277: 25.2; Be able to get back to the *Help* of query-replace References: <5f6e8bec-d1dc-4958-819a-ba38439f16b6@default> <8736iz46yx.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <8736iz46yx.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4873.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9325 signatures=668684 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1810050000 definitions=main-1907210247 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9325 signatures=668684 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1810050000 definitions=main-1907210247 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 27277 Cc: 27277@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > 1. Use `M-%' to do some query-replacing. Hit `?' during > > query-replacing, to see the query-replace help, in buffer *Help*. > > > > 2. Use a help command, such as `C-h f'. The contents of *Help* do > not > > show a Back button, to get to the query-replace help. They should. >=20 > I don't agree -- that seems like such a context-dependent help buffer > that it's not very helpful to include that in the stack of help > buffers. Other help buffers usually have links to things you can jump > to and the like. Closing. No. Forward links from *Help* to, say, function-name *Help* display could be considered to be for related information. The [back] link is explicitly NOT that. It's purely a chronological link, to take you back to the _previously shown_ *Help* content, whatever that might be. Similarly, for [forward]. `C-h f completing-read' followed by `C-h v fill-column' has nothing to do with related information. [back] just goes back in time. You've apparently misunderstood what [back] and the help-stack is for. If we wanted only links to related information, and no chronological backtracking links, then we would not have the stack - no [back] and [forward]. (That's what we had in the old days.) The [back] and [forward] links in *Help* are, like `l' and `r' in Info, and like the Back and Forward links in your browser, purely chronological. Info has Up, Next, and Previous links for structural navigation. And it has inline (See) links for related information. Such things are not to be confused with chronological-visit links. Please consider reopening this bug. Thx. From unknown Sat Sep 13 07:22:29 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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