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The manual mentions using 'passwd' to set a password for SSH access, but it's not available. Oops again! This patch fixes it, and increases the size from 910MiB to 910.3MiB. --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-patch Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=0001-install-Allow-users-to-set-a-password-for-root.patch Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From=202375e0d9f77581337ea0a5d75b5ad04c5aa2e635 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Marius Bakke Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 22:22:02 +0200 Subject: [PATCH] install: Allow users to set a password for root. * gnu/system/install.scm (installation-os): Add SHADOW to system-wide packa= ges. =2D-- gnu/system/install.scm | 1 + 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+) diff --git a/gnu/system/install.scm b/gnu/system/install.scm index 9a6febfeb..c36b5d314 100644 =2D-- a/gnu/system/install.scm +++ b/gnu/system/install.scm @@ -341,6 +341,7 @@ Use Alt-F2 for documentation. 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Oops again! >=20 > This patch fixes it, and increases the size from 910MiB to 910.3MiB. >=20 > From 2375e0d9f77581337ea0a5d75b5ad04c5aa2e635 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 > From: Marius Bakke > Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 22:22:02 +0200 > Subject: [PATCH] install: Allow users to set a password for root. 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Oops again! >>=20 >> This patch fixes it, and increases the size from 910MiB to 910.3MiB. >>=20 > >> From 2375e0d9f77581337ea0a5d75b5ad04c5aa2e635 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 >> From: Marius Bakke >> Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 22:22:02 +0200 >> Subject: [PATCH] install: Allow users to set a password for root. > > LGTM, thanks! 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