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X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) In batch mode there will usually be no long-lived buffers with non-recoverable contents, therefore the reasoning for `attempt-stack-overflow-recovery' and `attempt-orderly-shutdown-on-fatal-signal' being t doesn't apply. This means that these variables should be nil by default in batch mode. 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This > means that these variables should be nil by default in batch mode. I see your point, but what are the arguments for changing their values in batch mode? IOW, what advantages will this give us? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu May 18 16:26:32 2017 Received: (at 26986) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 May 2017 20:26:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53883 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dBS0G-00063c-8H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 May 2017 16:26:32 -0400 Received: from mail-oi0-f53.google.com ([209.85.218.53]:36446) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dBS0E-00063O-3o for 26986@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 May 2017 16:26:30 -0400 Received: by mail-oi0-f53.google.com with SMTP id h4so69002934oib.3 for <26986@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 18 May 2017 13:26:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=NIHB9Ehjr/PydilQ7km3/XBW29l7StL8BpPLtxFleIw=; b=eaPJVxJRq/wMD8eqVyLo7xfWNr5n0lgzgHfkIY5TfRybG3O2OR7ASCVkctU2LMyNAn 5HWTNdHOC5KO/zIWGonqpbEhQAZ3e8Wf/QgedsN8APJdVzE/m6NWUfcqEimtp3R84dxu XVG2Pi9q5gqp3GNmBeIMI6ihRfqsuF5HQkI/3mMVk4b6x+dz2JTPgyWAS9YQWjYCr9PW CF30Uqvrn6FagyWD11QEWceLIkPNHyIa8WBvrBvuqCZpZ79dOJqvdD1xnSxxIn7UmoGR 26rTlETnjisZ76JSfO1LYiXgMtSAso3jiRIU2UnGSROzOH/jS0kci2YJJUc6Gv65eZCW ClMg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=NIHB9Ehjr/PydilQ7km3/XBW29l7StL8BpPLtxFleIw=; b=rn3WSyTtfLf8x64kfQjr+Oc94CSWyZaRUT+jsW0HG50P9bKGOahkox7hHwoqGHcFSk ekmeSmBGUBjv8+d4bcCEps8W5bivncuck5h+0FQL6Wg7wE31+GyViCehDXxdOCV5oXxg +R9vXuKBV+0QZz3T4TtZjVXTtXupMXH5twnBQy5kwI/5b/oqS27dmr7Fr+3vj0S05EY9 P8eP2c65mKQhOum/TqrCDnD33O9li31XFo4RkfM8wwtG3nMhmFzS0mtjXXc3QoBwkM8h 8CcWAWSK57f3/512qatmCkci1fL73WVaHlkSqqqYNDAaaJXjdSzHAwBAZgD5FNR047Yk chsA== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcCJ/ZMJr8zfVUiy1eBfxpo65YmUpyo+d3XJvN3RdGY86/ljoyq9 NdZRbhTVOuYp7Dbjlgo1KGr91p5zA87R X-Received: by 10.157.68.224 with SMTP id p32mr3769101otg.19.1495139184325; Thu, 18 May 2017 13:26:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <83mvaa3pyd.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83mvaa3pyd.fsf@gnu.org> From: Philipp Stephani Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 20:26:13 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#26986: 26.0.50; Unsafe recovery should be off by default in batch mode To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403043c3fa4f8b782054fd2375e" X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 26986 Cc: 26986@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) --f403043c3fa4f8b782054fd2375e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Eli Zaretskii schrieb am Do., 18. Mai 2017 um 21:50 Uhr: > > From: Philipp > > Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 21:44:22 +0200 > > > > In batch mode there will usually be no long-lived buffers with > > non-recoverable contents, therefore the reasoning for > > `attempt-stack-overflow-recovery' and > > `attempt-orderly-shutdown-on-fatal-signal' being t doesn't apply. This > > means that these variables should be nil by default in batch mode. > > I see your point, but what are the arguments for changing their values > in batch mode? IOW, what advantages will this give us? > When debugging Emacs internals or running unit tests, setting these variables to nil will cause obvious and clear failures instead of silent recovery attempts. --f403043c3fa4f8b782054fd2375e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


Eli Za= retskii <eliz@gnu.org> schrieb am= Do., 18. Mai 2017 um 21:50=C2=A0Uhr:
> From: Philipp <p.stephani2@gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 21:44:22 +0200
>
> In batch mode there will usually be no long-lived buffers with
> non-recoverable contents, therefore the reasoning for
> `attempt-stack-overflow-recovery' and
> `attempt-orderly-shutdown-on-fatal-signal' being t doesn't app= ly.=C2=A0 This
> means that these variables should be nil by default in batch mode.

I see your point, but what are the arguments for changing their values
in batch mode?=C2=A0 IOW, what advantages will this give us?

When debugging Emacs internals or running unit tests,= setting these variables to nil will cause obvious and clear failures inste= ad of silent recovery attempts.=C2=A0
--f403043c3fa4f8b782054fd2375e-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu May 18 16:39:08 2017 Received: (at 26986) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 May 2017 20:39:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53908 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dBSCR-0006N8-JU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 May 2017 16:39:08 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54685) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dBSCQ-0006Mj-Lk for 26986@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 May 2017 16:39:06 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dBSCG-0006ff-D1 for 26986@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 May 2017 16:39:01 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:58122) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dBSCG-0006fZ-9L; Thu, 18 May 2017 16:38:56 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2897 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1dBSCF-0001hz-C2; Thu, 18 May 2017 16:38:56 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 23:38:48 +0300 Message-Id: <83inkx5293.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Philipp Stephani In-reply-to: (message from Philipp Stephani on Thu, 18 May 2017 20:26:13 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#26986: 26.0.50; Unsafe recovery should be off by default in batch mode References: <83mvaa3pyd.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 26986 Cc: 26986@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Philipp Stephani > Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 20:26:13 +0000 > Cc: 26986@debbugs.gnu.org > > I see your point, but what are the arguments for changing their values > in batch mode? IOW, what advantages will this give us? > > When debugging Emacs internals or running unit tests, setting these variables to nil will cause obvious and > clear failures instead of silent recovery attempts. OK, but the batch mode is not used only for debugging or testing. Perhaps we should change the values in these two cases. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat May 27 08:07:10 2017 Received: (at 26986) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 May 2017 12:07:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39988 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dEaUw-0001EO-NS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 27 May 2017 08:07:10 -0400 Received: from mail-oi0-f47.google.com ([209.85.218.47]:32980) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dEaUv-0001EA-4Z for 26986@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 27 May 2017 08:07:09 -0400 Received: by mail-oi0-f47.google.com with SMTP id w10so39399533oif.0 for <26986@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 27 May 2017 05:07:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=6AZDiqN23fWiIKc6wIuv23JrIeMAjtv69BnbWBqAbwE=; b=DQIzAZ2IctSzalMXDSeNt2v6UQf5a0nMw8WCuC/x0hYh1AQyOh2hoBxxeyyK6MokLi JJVH5WaL/mOtlGQV0/h/e2VbQ7h4Vg29yvDgH8Sa7Z91OKmpixmEQlm18FweS+IE7dnm puRq69zWAIYH+rXbaH3cGhoY7dF10SQAJGeCQTxTji5n+L0+64WMpqKM/8lR/+JLTLB6 Tbn0GmIIPoiw+D9jz2/xZkYIfzASIOfmsQNq2cwtd9ksTi73LMFr0WPnExlGnfxek4OL S3asCdO+/nbyPbmWU9Q9alErWd+rolM3svtpTMhOrE+JkAVvtsh1Cxo42KgBgvcHZg0y YBwA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=6AZDiqN23fWiIKc6wIuv23JrIeMAjtv69BnbWBqAbwE=; b=kUNXo7lycp1r0QIZx1MY3Je6szvoOwpzJSjlXmxmU0fYa6ra2YEuea8yrNT4ETyTC7 3YhSs9ThHmB53kHAfUoJO6ZIqemBExdpgv/xXiPEs2N70Mgtp6XwMAfrJ/VOo2a89ziv mUYx/xFFXvHpeW0GpO09D82okEqgzGt+KaCsxyLUJt8TZOEtxgHT5S8wEB1JTpK+9ItV Zy/rHsUqVPf5wdbrgo6MV2cPYfXLhX4AjGrw/rfO2f50djxMlFRkgisXDxp7sSlPHRU6 5g3Vo74yR9s0yLDo1OjhUAR3D/CvVo8NBUM/eP7wd6d4tEanrBZwD+PHbOGxHMAkRLJM cpxw== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcDXqXmvoMtqZv8eYc8+mu25PZyPNOmztTkxdQnyYyu8NW2r1syO bPws7DwUU8Az8oDdS0eCWwD59z2ajQ== X-Received: by 10.157.61.180 with SMTP id l49mr3533306otc.80.1495886823245; Sat, 27 May 2017 05:07:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <83mvaa3pyd.fsf@gnu.org> <83inkx5293.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83inkx5293.fsf@gnu.org> From: Philipp Stephani Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 12:06:52 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#26986: 26.0.50; Unsafe recovery should be off by default in batch mode To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11492b2eb950290550804a09" X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 26986 Cc: 26986@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) --001a11492b2eb950290550804a09 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Eli Zaretskii schrieb am Do., 18. Mai 2017 um 22:39 Uhr: > > From: Philipp Stephani > > Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 20:26:13 +0000 > > Cc: 26986@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > I see your point, but what are the arguments for changing their values > > in batch mode? IOW, what advantages will this give us? > > > > When debugging Emacs internals or running unit tests, setting these > variables to nil will cause obvious and > > clear failures instead of silent recovery attempts. > > OK, but the batch mode is not used only for debugging or testing. > Perhaps we should change the values in these two cases. > That would be a good start. However, I still think these should be off in batch mode by default; batch mode is very unlikely to be used for circumstances where they could be useful. --001a11492b2eb950290550804a09 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


Eli Za= retskii <eliz@gnu.org> schrieb am= Do., 18. Mai 2017 um 22:39=C2=A0Uhr:
> From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 20:26:13 +0000
> Cc: 26986@d= ebbugs.gnu.org
>
>=C2=A0 I see your point, but what are the arguments for changing their = values
>=C2=A0 in batch mode? IOW, what advantages will this give us?
>
> When debugging Emacs internals or running unit tests, setting these va= riables to nil will cause obvious and
> clear failures instead of silent recovery attempts.

OK, but the batch mode is not used only for debugging or testing.
Perhaps we should change the values in these two cases.

That would be a good start. However, I still think these s= hould be off in batch mode by default; batch mode is very unlikely to be us= ed for circumstances where they could be useful.=C2=A0
--001a11492b2eb950290550804a09-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat May 27 09:31:52 2017 Received: (at 26986) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 May 2017 13:31:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40050 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dEbou-0003C8-CJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 27 May 2017 09:31:52 -0400 Received: from mail-oi0-f48.google.com ([209.85.218.48]:33014) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dEboq-0003Bs-Pp for 26986@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 27 May 2017 09:31:50 -0400 Received: by mail-oi0-f48.google.com with SMTP id w10so40537893oif.0 for <26986@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 27 May 2017 06:31:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=gerdjkqIUm/31vxGd+VFUt/wP9HrzGQVrUXwhXEEfJ0=; b=PxpvaNCkTX2oyT7jnfvilotUUHZYNasmNJG4/QN+xWWCEjjYsDAg92oheXzJiYDK1w OdlQACQePIJAvBnXKWUbNOQVJv7rA/MuZNkyS1D87mfJPs72e/kLVjPLAScOP9bs6S2S bifLABawoB4nsjyGlIfDoH8Hsn+1voHFQpwtYmyXpvKt/TYwqcqHGuus3pHML4x2BFZS F0iry4xHPWdWRtVK92xtXnXfZNGN+Ih30TWPvaI3g+1ZHwmaDwXnRmpHap43ILsiVBgi 2YXJSd2TxHK5GnGJUQA2SrvXQH/ZmSuga6X5ZubRkZ5FRDWLksae3CGczAVYTfk6zPZs GS+w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=gerdjkqIUm/31vxGd+VFUt/wP9HrzGQVrUXwhXEEfJ0=; b=GtGyT7WYMZ8GnGnSOONE+1P+8EOsLoSBokpr5D4B2U5GLs9rb2MO/0J6txhXeSQp3s 7q01GrqurEH2BSb7TLKT2FRXqImJpiOyQq3iqZomGfQkltYctaF8cpxm7dQBQLHRNcNW hTc8VndN9Zrr10Mxi3GpIpOzcEoErFmeLJ68b54X2oV3iizUfVyL4Dqmc3Zki14/Sstp 6k8Jzip0XZMUkcrH7pxivj99ijgnAoYnGxreblaitrpk0wQDZQJm+IAw+WZUaHVTdZVV vuSGWCPaKlMauegj/acb4+QGcKVtJrpKad/h4yNrlDDsSN0iVMXauy9IRZD2ZJijwUuq +/sA== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcD0rC67uxB3z2AymcG8EcuRAxY6E86xpky/HeI3Zr8Uv+m49Abl ggA5XDNBzKJC9dzIAUBmY3FWXifzeg== X-Received: by 10.157.19.60 with SMTP id f57mr2948185ote.243.1495891901365; Sat, 27 May 2017 06:31:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <83mvaa3pyd.fsf@gnu.org> <83inkx5293.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: From: Philipp Stephani Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 13:31:30 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#26986: 26.0.50; Unsafe recovery should be off by default in batch mode To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1140fce867447f05508179a1" X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 26986 Cc: 26986@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) --001a1140fce867447f05508179a1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Philipp Stephani schrieb am Sa., 27. Mai 2017 um 14:06 Uhr: > Eli Zaretskii schrieb am Do., 18. Mai 2017 um 22:39 Uhr: > >> > From: Philipp Stephani >> > Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 20:26:13 +0000 >> > Cc: 26986@debbugs.gnu.org >> > >> > I see your point, but what are the arguments for changing their values >> > in batch mode? IOW, what advantages will this give us? >> > >> > When debugging Emacs internals or running unit tests, setting these >> variables to nil will cause obvious and >> > clear failures instead of silent recovery attempts. >> >> OK, but the batch mode is not used only for debugging or testing. >> Perhaps we should change the values in these two cases. >> > > That would be a good start. > I've installed commit ebe0bdae9d for this. --001a1140fce867447f05508179a1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


Philip= p Stephani <p.stephani2@gmail.c= om> schrieb am Sa., 27. Mai 2017 um 14:06=C2=A0Uhr:
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> schrieb am Do., 18. Mai 2017 um 22:39=C2=A0Uhr:
=
> From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@gmail.com<= /a>>
> Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 20:26:13 +0000
> Cc: 26986@d= ebbugs.gnu.org
>
>=C2=A0 I see your point, but what are the arguments for changing their = values
>=C2=A0 in batch mode? IOW, what advantages will this give us?
>
> When debugging Emacs internals or running unit tests, setting these va= riables to nil will cause obvious and
> clear failures instead of silent recovery attempts.

OK, but the batch mode is not used only for debugging or testing.
Perhaps we should change the values in these two cases.

Th= at would be a good start.

I've installed commit ebe0bdae9d for this.=C2=A0
--001a1140fce867447f05508179a1-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat May 27 09:39:19 2017 Received: (at 26986) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 May 2017 13:39:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40060 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dEbw7-0003NG-F4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 27 May 2017 09:39:19 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:49117) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dEbw5-0003N3-DZ for 26986@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 27 May 2017 09:39:17 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dEbvv-0004vr-5Z for 26986@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 27 May 2017 09:39:12 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59865) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dEbvv-0004vn-1u; Sat, 27 May 2017 09:39:07 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2929 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1dEbvu-0000TC-Ff; Sat, 27 May 2017 09:39:06 -0400 Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 16:39:07 +0300 Message-Id: <83wp92h11g.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Philipp Stephani In-reply-to: (message from Philipp Stephani on Sat, 27 May 2017 12:06:52 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#26986: 26.0.50; Unsafe recovery should be off by default in batch mode References: <83mvaa3pyd.fsf@gnu.org> <83inkx5293.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 26986 Cc: 26986@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Philipp Stephani > Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 12:06:52 +0000 > Cc: 26986@debbugs.gnu.org > > OK, but the batch mode is not used only for debugging or testing. > Perhaps we should change the values in these two cases. > > That would be a good start. However, I still think these should be off in batch mode by default; batch mode is > very unlikely to be used for circumstances where they could be useful. Batch mode is frequently used to test or present problems that happen in interactive sessions, so I'd like to avoid making the batch mode too different from the rest. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Sep 28 22:48:41 2019 Received: (at 26986) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2019 02:48:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51808 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iEPGL-0001dB-Ci for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 22:48:41 -0400 Received: from mail-pg1-f172.google.com ([209.85.215.172]:35912) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iEPGK-0001cr-2f for 26986@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 22:48:40 -0400 Received: by mail-pg1-f172.google.com with SMTP id t14so5439752pgs.3 for <26986@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 19:48:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=dElqYaKszeVccvMn3dsznHJVVC8F9+qipzqiEvH5M+8=; b=lTRL1x9yugVVfB9rsjApPpDnhU1L7K6hNixoExQWOBCrnWON4bBgbOSzZYTehI39jv ZEo0QMCkD45nBvPlrwv0YpBoLUeEaQyixNc3ZOjLtsV0+iVIwMioGMBjGyJuPV/KsneF XeZGO5CO8estWLeVgpZciIGftRjvbG/MAz1Qanf65dGo/kpoOrEQn6nf/GBFfgMqguRr cBiDcxMlMdj2Zu/35uPbfX5MYvYYXjUE/FcYLXAWx1FC5Byv94zZoYKlzEcjQiVFITUL 0PEyZOC4WaFh0kI80/c5Jnnp1PsU9AY9mpzy4tp0clGtIB09sW6G+0Nbp1IEPpZTlj9x QPMw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXvdF0LC/tHrhLxL0Cacyci5NlDo/dsBevu8mX9u3ikEHsQ1s3p S79vTSnQAJCm9UNnFCNkAY8vllqNEis8kRBut/I= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyMHmcRAIwuQAkpDXjrLf95NuIOtprLna6RabCeLzmAo5NOtj7UHdUFiNorLR/WMqHo2/MccJzlEvKKtSGYfb0= X-Received: by 2002:a62:e917:: with SMTP id j23mr13854582pfh.50.1569725314344; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 19:48:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Kangas Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 04:48:23 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#26986: 26.0.50; Unsafe recovery should be off by default in batch mode To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 26986 Cc: 26986@debbugs.gnu.org, Philipp Stephani X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) tags 26986 + wontfix close 26986 quit Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Philipp Stephani >> Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 12:06:52 +0000 >> Cc: 26986@debbugs.gnu.org >> >> OK, but the batch mode is not used only for debugging or testing. >> Perhaps we should change the values in these two cases. >> >> That would be a good start. However, I still think these should be off in batch mode by default; batch mode is >> very unlikely to be used for circumstances where they could be useful. > > Batch mode is frequently used to test or present problems that happen > in interactive sessions, so I'd like to avoid making the batch mode > too different from the rest. I understand Eli's message here as wontfix. I'm closing this bug report as such. If anyone disagrees, feel free to reopen. Best regards, Stefan Kangas From unknown Sun Jun 15 10:56:25 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 11:24:13 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator