From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:11:33 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#26951 <26951@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#26951 <26951@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 25.2; `calc-mode': autoload? Reply-To: bug#26951 <26951@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2025 00:11:33 +0000 retitle 26951 25.2; `calc-mode': autoload? reassign 26951 emacs submitter 26951 Drew Adams severity 26951 wishlist thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue May 16 09:52:40 2017 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 May 2017 13:52:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47578 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dActz-00074X-OY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 May 2017 09:52:39 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47322) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dActx-00074L-OO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 May 2017 09:52:38 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dActr-00031R-RV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 May 2017 09:52:32 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:37613) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dActr-00031E-O8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 May 2017 09:52:31 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38292) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dActq-00063W-HL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 16 May 2017 09:52:31 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dActm-0002xR-L7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 16 May 2017 09:52:30 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:27958) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dActm-0002xG-BO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 16 May 2017 09:52:26 -0400 Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id v4GDqOeQ014510 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 16 May 2017 13:52:24 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v4GDqNQQ016581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 16 May 2017 13:52:23 GMT Received: from abhmp0013.oracle.com (abhmp0013.oracle.com [141.146.116.19]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v4GDqLrM001371 for ; Tue, 16 May 2017 13:52:22 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <52d500af-7e63-47f1-8508-1c694180077b@default> Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 06:52:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 25.2; `calc-mode': autoload? X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6767.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) emacs -Q C-h f calc-mode ; No match C-h v calc-mode ; No match C-h f calc calc is an interactive autoloaded Lisp function in =E2=80=98calc.el=E2=80= =99. It is bound to . (calc &optional ARG FULL-DISPLAY INTERACTIVE) The Emacs Calculator. Full documentation is listed under "calc-mode". ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Huh? We send users off to consult the "full documentation" of "calc-mode" (which presumably should be `calc-mode')? And just where should a user expect that documentation "calc-mode" to be "listed"? Something is wrong here, at least from a user point of view. C-h r i calc ; No match Something is wrong here too. Calc should at least be mentioned in the Emacs manual. There should be a cross reference there to the Calc manual. Searching for `calc' in the Emacs manual finds only one reference: =E2=80=A2 David Gillespie wrote the Common Lisp compatibility packages; =E2=80=98Calc=E2=80=99, an advanced calculator and mathematical tool, si= nce maintained and developed by Jay Belanger; =E2=80=98complete.el=E2=80=99,= a partial completion mechanism; and =E2=80=98edmacro.el=E2=80=99, a package for ed= iting keyboard macros. In GNU Emacs 25.2.1 (x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2017-04-24 built on LAPHROAIG Windowing system distributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: 'configure --without-dbus --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static -g3'' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue May 16 14:46:16 2017 Received: (at 26951) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 May 2017 18:46:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49031 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dAhU8-0007UB-5S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 May 2017 14:46:16 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:45244) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dAhU6-0007Ty-4s for 26951@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 May 2017 14:46:15 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dAhTx-000073-Jq for 26951@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 May 2017 14:46:08 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:43560) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dAhTx-00006z-GL; Tue, 16 May 2017 14:46:05 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2086 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1dAhTw-0003Pl-Rn; Tue, 16 May 2017 14:46:05 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 21:45:53 +0300 Message-Id: <83ziec63oe.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-reply-to: <52d500af-7e63-47f1-8508-1c694180077b@default> (message from Drew Adams on Tue, 16 May 2017 06:52:19 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: bug#26951: 25.2; `calc-mode': autoload? References: <52d500af-7e63-47f1-8508-1c694180077b@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 26951 Cc: 26951@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 06:52:19 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > > C-h r > > i calc ; No match > > Something is wrong here too. Calc should at least be mentioned > in the Emacs manual. There should be a cross reference there > to the Calc manual. I don't see why. We don't have such references for other packages documented in their separate manuals. The Emacs manual is not the Hub" of Emacs-related documentation; the "dir" node is. > Searching for `calc' in the Emacs manual finds only one reference: You forgot "M-x info-apropos". From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue May 16 15:04:47 2017 Received: (at 26951) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 May 2017 19:04:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49042 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dAhm2-0007tt-RJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 May 2017 15:04:47 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:37230) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dAhm0-0007th-Op for 26951@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 May 2017 15:04:45 -0400 Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id v4GJ4cLw002771 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 May 2017 19:04:38 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v4GJ4bkE010877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 May 2017 19:04:38 GMT Received: from abhmp0015.oracle.com (abhmp0015.oracle.com [141.146.116.21]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v4GJ4bbv014607; Tue, 16 May 2017 19:04:37 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2f112142-19f8-4697-a740-d52c0c54aae0@default> Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 12:04:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Subject: RE: bug#26951: 25.2; `calc-mode': autoload? References: <<52d500af-7e63-47f1-8508-1c694180077b@default>> <<83ziec63oe.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83ziec63oe.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6767.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 26951 Cc: 26951@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) > > C-h r > > > > i calc ; No match > > > > Something is wrong here too. Calc should at least be mentioned > > in the Emacs manual. There should be a cross reference there > > to the Calc manual. >=20 > I don't see why. We don't have such references for other packages > documented in their separate manuals. The Emacs manual is not the > Hub" of Emacs-related documentation; the "dir" node is. OK by me. > > Searching for `calc' in the Emacs manual finds only one reference: ^^^^^ >=20 > You forgot "M-x info-apropos". No I didn't. That doesn't find `calc' in the Emacs manual. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue May 16 15:30:53 2017 Received: (at 26951) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 May 2017 19:30:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49083 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dAiBJ-0008Vm-EQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 May 2017 15:30:53 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:58278) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dAiBG-0008Va-Um for 26951@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 May 2017 15:30:51 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dAiB8-0003bJ-Mg for 26951@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 May 2017 15:30:45 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:44320) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dAiB8-0003bF-Je; Tue, 16 May 2017 15:30:42 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2153 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1dAiB7-0000Vn-SB; Tue, 16 May 2017 15:30:42 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 22:30:30 +0300 Message-Id: <83vap061m1.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-reply-to: <2f112142-19f8-4697-a740-d52c0c54aae0@default> (message from Drew Adams on Tue, 16 May 2017 12:04:35 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: bug#26951: 25.2; `calc-mode': autoload? References: <<52d500af-7e63-47f1-8508-1c694180077b@default>> <<83ziec63oe.fsf@gnu.org>> <2f112142-19f8-4697-a740-d52c0c54aae0@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 26951 Cc: 26951@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 12:04:35 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 26951@debbugs.gnu.org > > > You forgot "M-x info-apropos". > > No I didn't. That doesn't find `calc' in the Emacs manual. Because 'calc' is not in the Emacs manual. The command does find 'calc' in the manual where it is described. Which is what that command is for: to find stuff you don't know which manual to search it for. IOW, if you cannot find something in the manual(s) you think that something should be in, try the 'd' command or info-apropos as the last resort. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Sep 28 22:59:36 2019 Received: (at 26951-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2019 02:59:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51817 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iEPQt-0001tR-U5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 22:59:36 -0400 Received: from mail-pf1-f172.google.com ([209.85.210.172]:38349) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iEPQr-0001tC-Pf for 26951-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 22:59:34 -0400 Received: by mail-pf1-f172.google.com with SMTP id h195so3601469pfe.5 for <26951-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 19:59:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=3kZz0atO18Sh0/hCOFEpjfpI8SAF2R5vJwm2h5+zb2U=; b=b35FDmjiPaUWmhb9A965H8fsJcLHBD60DnrIfq11V8oiiuEd8RTEPAdLe16VAAD3pe bco53GgS+Miw0NUx2/l0lmysPCaF7euO2OTeBCiilRTbBWVXwCwxAyP1C8PC8HNwaIgc wagtFsDHfhtxpcEk/Mfp/5K3ZgUkPnaPiFzDEHeZb+j6xWuRMssVzi6UoZpNccA5aDU2 ed65TBQLOUu2bursTrpSoZdxvxoPq/bXX6lIjNFlVNjcD44LtV7Id6C4b3yjz5E7CEB5 dtV5MHNw0LLjubsOYjWzkihfpJgTn/kEfQ3qP5CMdwsjtOURSkxKJvg6k+YZFKcuWxLR ckWQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWSJPh2QsklM/xLfyLFg1iU7hrMlzlu3ODOFPRllVwr0qxCtIkr WF4v4+6V+cI0qLW1fbb6NH+pASwLRDSnauskgeU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyyvQNuJrekmFyDmErH5lJF1n5dj+h0JmhkiUHgZILA50sVrNNhYtTL2dPxVOQBiZYDLNzSNDc3rUfRzIGFek0= X-Received: by 2002:a62:e917:: with SMTP id j23mr13885863pfh.50.1569725967477; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 19:59:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Kangas Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 04:59:16 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#26951: 25.2; `calc-mode': autoload? To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 26951-done Cc: 26951-done@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 06:52:19 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Drew Adams >> >> C-h r >> >> i calc ; No match >> >> Something is wrong here too. Calc should at least be mentioned >> in the Emacs manual. There should be a cross reference there >> to the Calc manual. > > I don't see why. We don't have such references for other packages > documented in their separate manuals. The Emacs manual is not the > Hub" of Emacs-related documentation; the "dir" node is. > >> Searching for `calc' in the Emacs manual finds only one reference: > > You forgot "M-x info-apropos". Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 12:04:35 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Drew Adams >> Cc: 26951@debbugs.gnu.org >> >> > You forgot "M-x info-apropos". >> >> No I didn't. That doesn't find `calc' in the Emacs manual. > > Because 'calc' is not in the Emacs manual. The command does find > 'calc' in the manual where it is described. Which is what that > command is for: to find stuff you don't know which manual to search it > for. > > IOW, if you cannot find something in the manual(s) you think that > something should be in, try the 'd' command or info-apropos as the > last resort. >From the above, it seems like there is nothing more to do here, and I'm therefore closing this bug report. If anyone disagrees, feel free to reopen it. 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