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24.5; emacs won't work if it can't talk to the router

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From: d paddy <d0.paddy <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Cc: d paddy <d0.paddy <at> gmail.com>
Subject: 24.5; emacs won't work if it can't talk to the router
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 17:12:20 -0400

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If the cable to the router is disconnected then emacs hangs.  This is a
bug because emacs should not be spying on people (phoneing home).

If the developers think it is a feature and not a bug, then please
describe how to stand-alone-emacs -- i.e., how to make emacs work when
the cable is cut so it can't phone home.



In GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
 of 2017-03-30 on blackbox
Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11902000
System Description:    Gentoo Base System release 2.3

Configured using:
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 --host=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu --mandir=/usr/share/man
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Message #8 received at 26740 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: d paddy <d0.paddy <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 26740 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#26740: 24.5; emacs won't work if it can't talk to the router
Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 11:56:24 -0400

d paddy wrote:

> If the cable to the router is disconnected then emacs hangs.

I can't reproduce this. If I start Emacs, then turn off my internet
connection, Emacs continues to work fine.

> This is a bug because emacs should not be spying on people (phoneing
> home).

I can assure you Emacs doesn't phone home. We don't care what you and
Emacs get up to. :)

You can of course install add-ons that do anything. And you can use
Emacs to access remote files and servers. Any of these things could
cause a hang if your connection drop. Otherwise the only issue in this
area I know of is the startup hang due to domain name issues, documented
in PROBLEMS.

Unless you can provide a reproducible recipe starting from emacs -Q,
this report is unlikely to lead anywhere. You could also try attaching a
debugger to Emacs to see what it is waiting for.

Message #11 received at 26740 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: d paddy <d0.paddy <at> gmail.com>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, 26740 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Cc: d paddy <d0.paddy <at> gmail.com>
Subject: Re: bug#26740: 24.5; emacs won't work if it can't talk to the router
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 13:55:12 -0400

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A smidge more information at:
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-8058954.html?sid=5e043f49e6dc6fdf007a11fc2fa4fad5

I wish I had time to debug the issue, but unfortunately I do not.  I'm
taking the "Could be a good time to get paranoid" advice... wiping,
rebuilding, and moving on.

D. Paddy

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org> wrote:

> d paddy wrote:
>
> > If the cable to the router is disconnected then emacs hangs.
>
> I can't reproduce this. If I start Emacs, then turn off my internet
> connection, Emacs continues to work fine.
>
> > This is a bug because emacs should not be spying on people (phoneing
> > home).
>
> I can assure you Emacs doesn't phone home. We don't care what you and
> Emacs get up to. :)
>
> You can of course install add-ons that do anything. And you can use
> Emacs to access remote files and servers. Any of these things could
> cause a hang if your connection drop. Otherwise the only issue in this
> area I know of is the startup hang due to domain name issues, documented
> in PROBLEMS.
>
> Unless you can provide a reproducible recipe starting from emacs -Q,
> this report is unlikely to lead anywhere. You could also try attaching a
> debugger to Emacs to see what it is waiting for.
>

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