GNU bug report logs - #26635
25.1; elisp docs bug

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Reported by: "zhangjg" <jinguozhang <at> qq.com>

Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 03:37:01 UTC

Severity: minor

Found in version 25.1

Done: Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org>

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From: "zhangjg" <jinguozhang <at> qq.com>
To: "bug-gnu-emacs" <bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org>
Subject: 25.1; elisp docs bug
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 11:35:55 +0800
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The elisp docs in the session "12.1 What Is a Function?" distinction the funtion and the function-like object.
But in some pages, some function-like object is give as a function. 
For example:
In session "3.4 Comparison of Numbers", "=" is a set to a "function" but, in fact it a "special forms".

In the same resason, I think, "<", "<=", ">", ">=" also should be "special forms".
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From: Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org>
To: "zhangjg" <jinguozhang <at> qq.com>
Cc: 26635 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#26635: 25.1; elisp docs bug
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 11:59:20 +0200
On Apr 24 2017, "zhangjg" <jinguozhang <at> qq.com> wrote:

> In session "3.4 Comparison of Numbers", "=" is a set to a "function" but, in fact it a "special forms".

Why do you think `=' is a special form?

Andreas.

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From: "zhangjg" <jinguozhang <at> qq.com>
To: "Andreas Schwab" <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org>
Cc: 26635 <26635 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: 回复: bug#26635: 25.1; elisp docs bug
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 18:31:17 +0800
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Like the fellow code:

  (= 1 1 t) ; error
  (= 1 2 t) ; nil

t is a symbol, (= 1 1 t) signal a error, that is what we expect. 
But in the second form there is no error, because  "=" get the
result before to eval the third argument "t". 
So "=" not to eval all arguments, that is  a "sepecial form" activation.




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On Apr 24 2017, "zhangjg" <jinguozhang <at> qq.com> wrote:

> In session "3.4 Comparison of Numbers", "=" is a set to a "function" but, in fact it a "special forms".

Why do you think `=' is a special form?

Andreas.

-- 
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From: Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org>
To: "zhangjg" <jinguozhang <at> qq.com>
Cc: 26635 <26635-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: 回复: bug#26635: 25.1; elisp docs bug
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 12:50:20 +0200
On Apr 24 2017, "zhangjg" <jinguozhang <at> qq.com> wrote:

> Like the fellow code:
>
>   (= 1 1 t) ; error
>   (= 1 2 t) ; nil
>
> t is a symbol, (= 1 1 t) signal a error, that is what we expect. 
> But in the second form there is no error, because  "=" get the
> result before to eval the third argument "t". 

All arguments are evaluated, by the caller.  Try (= 1 2 (foo)), for
example.

> So "=" not to eval all arguments, that is  a "sepecial form" activation.

It may _ignore_ some of its arguments, but that's not what `special
form' is about.  Any function is free to ignore arguments.

Andreas.

-- 
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