From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Apr 23 13:01:13 2017 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Apr 2017 17:01:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36666 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d2Ksq-0006WV-Se for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Apr 2017 13:01:13 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:40509) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d2Kso-0006WJ-SW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Apr 2017 13:01:11 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d2Ksi-0006zm-HD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Apr 2017 13:01:05 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:38536) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d2Ksi-0006zc-De for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Apr 2017 13:01:04 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59677) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d2Ksg-0005xg-OM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Apr 2017 13:01:04 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d2Ksc-0006wY-O5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Apr 2017 13:01:02 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:16992) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d2Ksc-0006vV-Fd for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Apr 2017 13:00:58 -0400 Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id v3NH0sAQ019979 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2017 17:00:54 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v3NH0ruR019063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2017 17:00:54 GMT Received: from abhmp0008.oracle.com (abhmp0008.oracle.com [141.146.116.14]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v3NH0rur032452 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2017 17:00:53 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <88ab0589-09f2-496d-aa02-553ab60d1d58@default> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 10:00:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.5; bad variable name: `inside-post-command-hook' X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6767.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) This variable's name should not end in `-hook', because that means, by convention, that this is a hook variable, which it is not. This is a Boolean-valued, internal variable whose value indicates only whether execution is currently inside the post-command-hook. It should have a name that indicates (1) that it is Boolean and perhaps (2) that it is internal. In GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2015-04-11 on LEG570 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --prefix=3D/c/usr --host=3Di686-pc-mingw32' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Apr 26 01:36:22 2017 Received: (at 26623) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Apr 2017 05:36:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40455 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d3Fcj-0003SK-Ox for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 01:36:21 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:46579) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d3Fch-0003Rt-TR for 26623@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 01:36:20 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d3FcY-00067E-0X for 26623@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 01:36:14 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:49371) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d3FcX-00067A-TG; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 01:36:09 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3414 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1d3FcX-00009F-9x; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 01:36:09 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 08:35:31 +0300 Message-Id: <83h91bpw7w.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-reply-to: <88ab0589-09f2-496d-aa02-553ab60d1d58@default> (message from Drew Adams on Sun, 23 Apr 2017 10:00:52 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: bug#26623: 24.5; bad variable name: `inside-post-command-hook' References: <88ab0589-09f2-496d-aa02-553ab60d1d58@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 26623 Cc: 26623@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 10:00:52 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > > This variable's name should not end in `-hook', because that means, > by convention, that this is a hook variable, which it is not. No, it's the other way around: a hook variable should have its name end in "-hook", but not every symbol whose name ends in "-hook" is a hook variable. I think the name of this variable speaks very clearly for its purpose, and see no reason for such formalism in this case. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Apr 26 09:39:36 2017 Received: (at 26623) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Apr 2017 13:39:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40714 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d3NAM-00048A-GZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 09:39:36 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:46643) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d3NAK-00047x-Ol for 26623@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 09:39:33 -0400 Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id v3QDdP9j003876 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2017 13:39:25 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v3QDdLIe005065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2017 13:39:23 GMT Received: from abhmp0019.oracle.com (abhmp0019.oracle.com [141.146.116.25]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v3QDdJNp025594; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 13:39:20 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <07ad96c0-1fe7-4997-8607-837288075411@default> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 06:39:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: RE: bug#26623: 24.5; bad variable name: `inside-post-command-hook' References: <<88ab0589-09f2-496d-aa02-553ab60d1d58@default>> <<83h91bpw7w.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83h91bpw7w.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6767.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 26623 Cc: 26623@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) > > This variable's name should not end in `-hook', because that means, > > by convention, that this is a hook variable, which it is not. >=20 > No, it's the other way around: a hook variable should have its name > end in "-hook", but not every symbol whose name ends in "-hook" is a > hook variable. Clearly nothing _prevents_ a non-hook-variable symbol from having such a perverted name as to suggest that it is a hook variable. But that is not what the convention is for. I don't think you can show documentation to support such a use. This is a perversion, which works against users. Think `apropos' or think completion (assuming substring or regexp matching, both of which are possible now even with vanilla Emacs), to look for or discover hook variables. This particular non-hook variable works against users for this and similar use cases - it simply gives the wrong message, claiming loud and clear that it is a hook variable. And to what end? What possible reason could we have for keeping such a misleading name here? > I think the name of this variable speaks very clearly for its purpose, > and see no reason for such formalism in this case. No, it does not speak clearly for its purpose. Its purpose is to be a Boolean flag for whether execution is currently inside that hook. Simply end the name with `-p' or `?' or some other suffix that suggests that this is a Boolean variable. And more importantly does not suggest that it is a hook variable, which it is not. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Apr 26 11:37:57 2017 Received: (at 26623) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Apr 2017 15:37:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41844 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d3P0v-0007K0-1V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 11:37:57 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59536) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d3P0t-0007Jl-DF for 26623@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 11:37:55 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d3P0j-00087f-Ug for 26623@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 11:37:50 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:56565) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d3P0j-00087b-Qv; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 11:37:45 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4327 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1d3P0j-00065V-7J; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 11:37:45 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 18:37:08 +0300 Message-Id: <83lgqnnpsr.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-reply-to: <07ad96c0-1fe7-4997-8607-837288075411@default> (message from Drew Adams on Wed, 26 Apr 2017 06:39:18 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: bug#26623: 24.5; bad variable name: `inside-post-command-hook' References: <<88ab0589-09f2-496d-aa02-553ab60d1d58@default>> <<83h91bpw7w.fsf@gnu.org>> <07ad96c0-1fe7-4997-8607-837288075411@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 26623 Cc: 26623@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 06:39:18 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 26623@debbugs.gnu.org > > This is a perversion, which works against users. It can only work in a few exceptional cases, I agree. And I think this is one such case. If this were wide-spread, then yes, we should have done something about it. > > I think the name of this variable speaks very clearly for its purpose, > > and see no reason for such formalism in this case. > > No, it does not speak clearly for its purpose. We disagree, that's all. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Apr 26 13:19:03 2017 Received: (at 26623) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Apr 2017 17:19:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41941 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d3Qal-0001R2-Ji for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 13:19:03 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56751) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d3Qaj-0001QJ-MI for 26623@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 13:19:02 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d3Qad-0003Hg-LN for 26623@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 13:18:56 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:58134) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d3Qaa-0003Fs-KE; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 13:18:52 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1d3QaZ-0007LM-SD; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 13:18:51 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <83h91bpw7w.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Wed, 26 Apr 2017 08:35:31 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#26623: 24.5; bad variable name: `inside-post-command-hook' References: <88ab0589-09f2-496d-aa02-553ab60d1d58@default> <83h91bpw7w.fsf@gnu.org> Message-Id: Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 13:18:51 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 26623 Cc: 26623@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > No, it's the other way around: a hook variable should have its name > end in "-hook", but not every symbol whose name ends in "-hook" is a > hook variable. I think it is a good idea to avoid making more variables that are not hooks but have names which suggest they were hooks. Let's aim to have -hook mean it's a hook. Perhaps `inside-post-command-hook-call' is a good name for this variable. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Apr 26 13:19:47 2017 Received: (at 26623) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Apr 2017 17:19:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41944 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d3QbS-0001S2-VL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 13:19:47 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:38053) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d3QbQ-0001Rm-RY for 26623@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 13:19:45 -0400 Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id v3QHJbCM012731 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2017 17:19:38 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v3QHJbCY028598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2017 17:19:37 GMT Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v3QHJZ0H029111; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 17:19:36 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <48339b7a-7888-4712-8ce7-3cc395117ce8@default> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 10:19:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: RE: bug#26623: 24.5; bad variable name: `inside-post-command-hook' References: <<<88ab0589-09f2-496d-aa02-553ab60d1d58@default>>> <<<83h91bpw7w.fsf@gnu.org>>> <<07ad96c0-1fe7-4997-8607-837288075411@default>> <<83lgqnnpsr.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83lgqnnpsr.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6767.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 26623 Cc: 26623@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) > > > I think the name of this variable speaks very clearly for its purpose= , > > > > No, it does not speak clearly for its purpose. Reasons given elided, not addressed. > We disagree, that's all. No reasons given. Ever use an `apropos' command on variables whose names end in `-hook'? Do you expect to see only hook variables for that? Ever use regexp-matching completion with `C-h v' for `-hook$'? Do you expect to see only hook variables for that? Is there an actual reason why you will not add a suffix (or make another suitable name change) to indicate clearly that this is not a hook variable? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Apr 26 14:43:55 2017 Received: (at 26623) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Apr 2017 18:43:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41975 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d3Rut-0003Su-Oe for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 14:43:55 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51658) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d3Rur-0003Sf-3J for 26623@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 14:43:53 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d3Ruj-0001Bo-CA for 26623@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 14:43:47 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59309) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d3Ruj-0001Be-97; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 14:43:45 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4545 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1d3Rua-000787-6A; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 14:43:38 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 21:42:23 +0300 Message-Id: <83k267nh80.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: rms@gnu.org In-reply-to: (message from Richard Stallman on Wed, 26 Apr 2017 13:18:51 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#26623: 24.5; bad variable name: `inside-post-command-hook' References: <88ab0589-09f2-496d-aa02-553ab60d1d58@default> <83h91bpw7w.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 26623 Cc: 26623@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Richard Stallman > CC: drew.adams@oracle.com, 26623@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 13:18:51 -0400 > > I think it is a good idea to avoid making more variables that are not > hooks but have names which suggest they were hooks. Let's aim to have > -hook mean it's a hook. I agree, and I wrote that much. But having a single variable ending in a "-hook" that is an exception from that rule is hardly a catastrophe. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Apr 26 15:33:09 2017 Received: (at 26623) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Apr 2017 19:33:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42013 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d3SgX-0004iZ-5b for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 15:33:09 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:36198) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d3SgV-0004iJ-Em for 26623@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 15:33:07 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d3SgN-0004TR-8V for 26623@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 15:33:02 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59974) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d3SgN-0004TI-5H; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 15:32:59 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4682 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1d3SgL-0002J1-JX; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 15:32:58 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 22:32:09 +0300 Message-Id: <83h91bnex2.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-reply-to: <48339b7a-7888-4712-8ce7-3cc395117ce8@default> (message from Drew Adams on Wed, 26 Apr 2017 10:19:33 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: bug#26623: 24.5; bad variable name: `inside-post-command-hook' References: <<<88ab0589-09f2-496d-aa02-553ab60d1d58@default>>> <<<83h91bpw7w.fsf@gnu.org>>> <<07ad96c0-1fe7-4997-8607-837288075411@default>> <<83lgqnnpsr.fsf@gnu.org>> <48339b7a-7888-4712-8ce7-3cc395117ce8@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 26623 Cc: 26623@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 10:19:33 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 26623@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > > I think the name of this variable speaks very clearly for its purpose, > > > > > > No, it does not speak clearly for its purpose. > > Reasons given elided, not addressed. There's no need for reasons to disagree about clarity of something. > > We disagree, that's all. > > No reasons given. Reasons were given, but were elided and ignored. And btw, where's that variable defined? I cannot find its definition, and C-h commands cannot find anything whose name is inside-post-command-hook or similar. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 27 06:19:43 2017 Received: (at 26623) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Apr 2017 10:19:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42330 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d3gWV-0000z2-It for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 27 Apr 2017 06:19:43 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:40153) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d3gWU-0000yp-Cv for 26623@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 27 Apr 2017 06:19:42 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d3gWO-0003pX-A1 for 26623@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 27 Apr 2017 06:19:36 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:40684) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d3gWI-0003o1-PC; Thu, 27 Apr 2017 06:19:30 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1d3gWH-00015r-Ug; Thu, 27 Apr 2017 06:19:30 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <83k267nh80.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Wed, 26 Apr 2017 21:42:23 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#26623: 24.5; bad variable name: `inside-post-command-hook' References: <88ab0589-09f2-496d-aa02-553ab60d1d58@default> <83h91bpw7w.fsf@gnu.org> <83k267nh80.fsf@gnu.org> Message-Id: Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 06:19:29 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 26623 Cc: 26623@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > But having a single variable ending > in a "-hook" that is an exception from that rule is hardly a > catastrophe. It's not a catastrophe, but it's a flaw -- and easy to fix. So let's fix it. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue May 09 22:09:22 2017 Received: (at 26623) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 May 2017 02:09:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34818 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d8H46-0001pS-1z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 May 2017 22:09:22 -0400 Received: from mail-io0-f172.google.com ([209.85.223.172]:35836) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d8H43-0001pA-Ji; Tue, 09 May 2017 22:09:20 -0400 Received: by mail-io0-f172.google.com with SMTP id f102so5156570ioi.2; Tue, 09 May 2017 19:09:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=alRdBk1ccz7PuJM0D+fa1QRxTYWMq6cF2KTQPZkdPvM=; b=ZfTii0saZr3fwJOaKO4vBQOUMv2Z1QrjBPvLqtBlwoqMtGuMP/X2hNP1FJgiyA/AgX AcREtjDHqJqqPgQJq703AGef6IsfQzyy2B73ZOLD1wPt+uyh0LQm6caScc41+MLNgKwG 6CXAjDmweFUaxLNVNlD8y0YFFJChVj1wwUxE+zyxBy5Vi8uxuyFealSSFjXr5Jys3lHC I32gKDO9S1Ni7zdslsM87VooRy2NnSx0tP0m4d7pH892f0/fScoWFSqmNy+R/YYMqBE8 Go4uo5FmNa89dh7+m6PMj7Pk5+LJcsl2kx+9H0B5+mJI6pHD/A0Vmb1xO6xEAbPpwqmN IgQA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date :in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=alRdBk1ccz7PuJM0D+fa1QRxTYWMq6cF2KTQPZkdPvM=; b=XqiMJYjjm4SwQ2TJ7Mi9mghdgejuTtT+OCHwBiJfVVEIk18uy7T8BK8VCZ3KsgzDfb Y1jZhMuCXHaKFlIIV/eSBD4cfjc9zwXY0XqFb6+jecCk5QC5dmZJa+Ve3wsMTpgdcoFV QEV98daKU0+CeO+f0rkILB9jTL9W0jInxhpPUlsp0LAS7+oYSxEyYeV0BqCM6uWTCfoq bkfeolkOWXgCDSvR+Li5hS5xKvt2HpC2kB7JFxOb78Xbb8tAn6Q7gRt9GAlDidv/ma96 JykiVAhyxYyoWzJBMMF++WqfcloL1Z3LKEn2m7N8gfTUDYcrHE6KFqUpHVDqJcav+H37 7ptw== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcAE3ml9KJmQJLJkXaVNwRKZtVQqdfMuV+rtsNSXgNCLc7/NyOeW Uk8XVJ/yaKoMdQ== X-Received: by 10.107.175.78 with SMTP id y75mr1479632ioe.87.1494382153968; Tue, 09 May 2017 19:09:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zony ([45.2.7.65]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id y13sm5916909ita.1.2017.05.09.19.09.12 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Tue, 09 May 2017 19:09:12 -0700 (PDT) From: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#26623: 24.5; bad variable name: `inside-post-command-hook' References: <88ab0589-09f2-496d-aa02-553ab60d1d58@default>>> <83h91bpw7w.fsf@gnu.org>>> <07ad96c0-1fe7-4997-8607-837288075411@default>> <83lgqnnpsr.fsf@gnu.org>> <48339b7a-7888-4712-8ce7-3cc395117ce8@default> <83h91bnex2.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Tue, 09 May 2017 22:10:45 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83h91bnex2.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 26 Apr 2017 22:32:09 +0300") Message-ID: <87shkdjwbe.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 26623 Cc: 26623@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) tags 26623 unreproducible moreinfo quit Eli Zaretskii writes: > And btw, where's that variable defined? I cannot find its definition, > and C-h commands cannot find anything whose name is > inside-post-command-hook or similar. Yeah, there's seems to have been quite a bit of discussion over a variable that apparently doesn't actually exist. 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Wed, 10 May 2017 02:33:34 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: 26623@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#26623: 24.5; bad variable name: `inside-post-command-hook' References: <88ab0589-09f2-496d-aa02-553ab60d1d58@default>>> <83h91bpw7w.fsf@gnu.org>>> <07ad96c0-1fe7-4997-8607-837288075411@default>> <83lgqnnpsr.fsf@gnu.org>> <48339b7a-7888-4712-8ce7-3cc395117ce8@default> <83h91bnex2.fsf@gnu.org> <87shkdjwbe.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> X-Spook: LLNL Leak Nuclear facility TSA Phishing Nerve agent Agro X-Ran: wYgp6yK-yI(1C(o{?J4HopND7$D+9sQ#G1}smmg__5?Sdq!F&1&o}K!7Oo-3~-]gTx~HQ> X-Hue: green X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 02:33:34 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Wed, 10 May 2017 02:25:49 -0400") Message-ID: <3yy3u5nrup.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 26623 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) PS simply make the initial report a patch next time, please. Think of the users! (And the developers.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat May 20 19:14:45 2017 Received: (at 26623) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 May 2017 23:14:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57470 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dCDa8-00062T-Vf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 May 2017 19:14:45 -0400 Received: from mail-it0-f65.google.com ([209.85.214.65]:34055) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dCDa7-000629-1C; Sat, 20 May 2017 19:14:43 -0400 Received: by mail-it0-f65.google.com with SMTP id d68so10664467ita.1; Sat, 20 May 2017 16:14:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=TcvzJQTDi8BRpTQ7K21enD4cvQB1RSbsBpXnvHlTYLE=; b=tEoQvQAoDVmUCjGlCdLvjpDCe6AXkRYc74t//vBqjzKJLheGur1mc39V8QGJpjMAuI dyIYWx7dpI6jQ/NYrbJ5Gp4cqm9Jl7OXK4P+d4xOBTpCKxNZjGEhxMxRJmYAEI1AEAp/ DiSpAQhUe2n2Den05zk5EIGDqkZuK2wIMgAMhPfsjajtHW4L+dSOoYsfTpiJyIwnkWP3 s8Du/kIlwrtPvTEY9s7XK2iDoengT1pfcleYbZjYMey/ExY+Cpog5GNqbfK6IMIUXjDO d2kLYeEc3fn0MBpBRtbXaHa+JdghyTkJQC+RePV+1MMZXTkyii3nTAa2sHsyV8Arq75I 6iFg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date :in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=TcvzJQTDi8BRpTQ7K21enD4cvQB1RSbsBpXnvHlTYLE=; b=LzWl0imSbDFHmBa8Q5pKFiHVPA0vU7XISRTDlCGTu4Htvs+jm0dJj7zzMkh5hkYFFp PEtfS69eN8Qsa3N68oyqprJrOe7gkCsKxvhbGhOexFOsN+k09ae0p52a3UJKupHjVHEd 7LKE+c9FGdBW9Ho71xObS42uvQI2CFRgD9UtgO2xWE7A3jKvSG36kHSjZ1PI0em+Wn8f ErgFWfUwavBFRNJwmIimIf1zmTIOkw1N7q1AYsYJz+rMgdjGFuMyA6boHOjPJoTHk9q1 A0Eckfwua9Q8SnpLgcDj43qSvGuzGW8pVivTjNMQgJ123ISHNcogYairpPHG26kzW5GQ tOwg== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcABG9ijv2Ah4281B1DhVSl8Sw1a0SXtiyvOA8DYYKD9uOHUvyNn VU+hFdSug2gtNg== X-Received: by 10.36.87.84 with SMTP id u81mr35582654ita.35.1495322077081; Sat, 20 May 2017 16:14:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zony ([45.2.7.65]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 6sm5714719ioj.0.2017.05.20.16.14.36 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sat, 20 May 2017 16:14:36 -0700 (PDT) From: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net To: Richard Stallman Subject: Re: bug#26623: 24.5; bad variable name: `inside-post-command-hook' References: <88ab0589-09f2-496d-aa02-553ab60d1d58@default> <83h91bpw7w.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 19:16:12 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Wed, 26 Apr 2017 13:18:51 -0400") Message-ID: <87efvjglvn.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 26623 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 26623@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) tags 26623 = fixed close 26623 26.1 quit Richard Stallman writes: > > Perhaps `inside-post-command-hook-call' is a good name for this > variable. [...] > It's not a catastrophe, but it's a flaw -- and easy to fix. > So let's fix it. Done [1: abd098200b]. [1: abd098200b]: 2017-05-20 19:13:57 -0400 Don't end non-hook variable with "-hook" (Bug#26623) http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/?id=abd098200bfba2577dfff800f27d5474f13cc1f3 From unknown Mon Jun 23 07:50:22 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 11:24:05 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator