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25.1; emacs picks unsuitable fallback fonts for monospace default font

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From: Ralf Jung <post <at> ralfj.de>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 25.1; emacs picks unsuitable fallback fonts for monospace default font
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2017 15:06:49 +0200

Hi all,

I have my system set up to use "Fira Mono" as the default font for
"Monospace", and my code editors (emacs and Kate) use that font as their
default font.  However, if I use emacs without any further
configuration, it picks unsuitable fallback fonts for characters not
supported my Fira Mono.  "Unsuitable" here means in particular that the
chosen fallback font is not monospace, so lines that contain fallback
characters break the grid.  At the same time, I do have suitable fonts
installed, as witnessed by Kate being able to preserve the grid.

Concretely, consider the following example text (pieced together from a
codebase using unicode characters for mathematical operators):

  mixin_cmra_pcore_mono x y cx :
    x ≼ y → pcore x = Some cx → ∃ cy, pcore y = Some cy ∧ cx ≼ cy;
    ✓{n} x → x ≡{n}≡ y1 ⋅ y2 →
    z1 z2, x ≡ z1 ⋅ z2 ∧ z1 ≡{n}≡ y1 ∧ z2 ≡{n}≡ y2
    ∀ ✓{n} (∅:A).
    }.

(At least) the following characters are not supported by Fira Mono, so a
fallback is picked:
  ≼ ✓ ⋅ ∧ ∅ ∃ ∀

As a result, the above text does not stay within the "monotext grid",
some characters are significantly wider than the majority (e.g., ≼)
while others are much smaller (⋅).  However, all of these characters are
supported by DejaVu Mono, a font I have installed.  I believe that's the
font other editors are using to render these characters.  When I
configure emacs to use DejaVu Mono for characters not supported by Fira
Mono, the text above looks entirely as expected.

Notice that, for example, → is supported by both Fira Mono and DejaVu
Mono.  In these cases, the editor should use the preferred font, which
is Fira Mono in my case.  (Actually, the much prettier arrows are one of
the reasons I prefer Fira Mono over DejaVu Mono.)

Ideally, emacs' default configuration would be such that it prefers
monospace over non-monospace fonts when falling back from a monospace font.

Kind regards,
Ralf

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Message #8 received at 26605 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Ralf Jung <post <at> ralfj.de>
Cc: 26605 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#26605: 25.1;
 emacs picks unsuitable fallback fonts for monospace default font
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2017 16:46:11 +0300

> From: Ralf Jung <post <at> ralfj.de>
> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2017 15:06:49 +0200
> 
> Notice that, for example, → is supported by both Fira Mono and DejaVu
> Mono.  In these cases, the editor should use the preferred font, which
> is Fira Mono in my case.

Isn't that what happens?  It does here.

Message #11 received at 26605 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ralf Jung <post <at> ralfj.de>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 26605 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#26605: 25.1; emacs picks unsuitable fallback fonts for
 monospace default font
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2017 18:24:59 +0200

Hi,

>> Notice that, for example, → is supported by both Fira Mono and DejaVu
>> Mono.  In these cases, the editor should use the preferred font, which
>> is Fira Mono in my case.
> 
> Isn't that what happens?  It does here.

Yes, sorry if that was unclear.  With the default setup, → is picking
the font I expected it to pick.
I mentioned this just because when changing the configuration to use
DejaVu Mono as a fallback font, it often happened to me that then emacs
also used DejaVu Mono for →.

Kind regards,
Ralf

Message #14 received at 26605 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Ralf Jung <post <at> ralfj.de>
Cc: 26605 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#26605: 25.1; emacs picks unsuitable fallback fonts for
 monospace default font
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2017 22:25:01 +0300

> Cc: 26605 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> From: Ralf Jung <post <at> ralfj.de>
> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2017 18:24:59 +0200
> 
> >> Notice that, for example, → is supported by both Fira Mono and DejaVu
> >> Mono.  In these cases, the editor should use the preferred font, which
> >> is Fira Mono in my case.
> > 
> > Isn't that what happens?  It does here.
> 
> Yes, sorry if that was unclear.  With the default setup, → is picking
> the font I expected it to pick.
> I mentioned this just because when changing the configuration to use
> DejaVu Mono as a fallback font, it often happened to me that then emacs
> also used DejaVu Mono for →.

Shouldn't happen in Emacs 25, AFAIK.  We specifically made a change in
that version to stick to the default font for symbols and punctuation
characters, as long as the default font supports them.  Maybe your
experience comes from older versions?

Message #17 received at 26605 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ralf Jung <post <at> ralfj.de>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 26605 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#26605: 25.1; emacs picks unsuitable fallback fonts for
 monospace default font
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2017 21:26:56 +0200

Hi,

> Shouldn't happen in Emacs 25, AFAIK.  We specifically made a change in
> that version to stick to the default font for symbols and punctuation
> characters, as long as the default font supports them.  Maybe your
> experience comes from older versions?

Fair enough, I tested this before upgrading.
So just ignore this part for now, the bug is about the default behavior
only.

; Ralf

Message #20 received at 26605 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Ralf Jung <post <at> ralfj.de>
Cc: 26605 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#26605: 25.1; emacs picks unsuitable fallback fonts for
 monospace default font
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 08:50:53 +0100

Ralf Jung <post <at> ralfj.de> writes:

> Ideally, emacs' default configuration would be such that it prefers
> monospace over non-monospace fonts when falling back from a monospace font.

That does sound reasonable.  Has Emacs grown such a feature in the years
since this bug was reported?

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #23 received at 26605 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 26605 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, post <at> ralfj.de
Subject: Re: bug#26605: 25.1;
 emacs picks unsuitable fallback fonts for monospace default font
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 17:50:51 +0200

> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 08:50:53 +0100
> Cc: 26605 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> Ralf Jung <post <at> ralfj.de> writes:
> 
> > Ideally, emacs' default configuration would be such that it prefers
> > monospace over non-monospace fonts when falling back from a monospace font.
> 
> That does sound reasonable.  Has Emacs grown such a feature in the years
> since this bug was reported?

No, I don't think so.  The fallback uses the fontsets, so defining
those to put monospaced fonts before variable-pitch ones is the way to
go.  AFAIK, there's no logic in Emacs to select fallback fonts without
using the fontsets (the default ones if the user didn't customize
them).

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