From unknown Sun Jun 15 01:03:19 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#2648 <2648@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#2648 <2648@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 23.0.60; remove C-c ` from rcirc track minor mode Reply-To: bug#2648 <2648@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2025 08:03:19 +0000 retitle 2648 23.0.60; remove C-c ` from rcirc track minor mode reassign 2648 emacs submitter 2648 Leo severity 2648 minor thanks From sl392@cam.ac.uk Thu Mar 12 05:12:20 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 12 Mar 2009 12:12:20 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=4.0 tests=none autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n2CCC8Xj026494 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:12:10 -0700 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:37224) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Lhjlg-00038q-DM for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:12:08 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Lhjle-0006yF-PA for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:12:08 -0400 Received: from ppsw-6.csi.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.136]:43030) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Lhjle-0006xW-7l for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:12:06 -0400 X-Cam-AntiVirus: no malware found X-Cam-SpamDetails: not scanned X-Cam-ScannerInfo: http://www.cam.ac.uk/cs/email/scanner/ Received: from smaug.linux.pwf.cam.ac.uk ([193.60.95.72]:60993) by ppsw-6.csi.cam.ac.uk (smtp.hermes.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.156]:587) with esmtpsa (LOGIN:sl392) (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) id 1Lhjla-0002gJ-KG (Exim 4.70) for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org (return-path ); Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:12:02 +0000 From: Leo To: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org Subject: 23.0.60; remove C-c ` from rcirc track minor mode Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:12:01 +0000 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: "Leo, Shidai Liu" X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) Please write in English if possible, because the Emacs maintainers usually do not have translators to read other languages for them. Your bug report will be posted to the emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org mailing list. Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug and the precise symptoms of the bug: rcirc track mode defines the following keys. (define-key rcirc-track-minor-mode-map (kbd "C-c `") 'rcirc-next-active-buffer) (define-key rcirc-track-minor-mode-map (kbd "C-c C-@") 'rcirc-next-active-buffer) (define-key rcirc-track-minor-mode-map (kbd "C-c C-SPC") 'rcirc-next-active-buffer) When this mode is enabled, those keys become GLOBAL and therefore can easily step on bindings from other packages. One of them is AUCTeX. I think it is entirely redundant to bind 'C-c `'. I'd propose this key be removed when emacs is released. Otherwise it will confuse AUCTeX users. Whenever there's an error, AUCTeX will ask users to type C-c ` to get to the error, but instead this key will run rcirc-next-active-buffer. From monnier@iro.umontreal.ca Thu Mar 12 06:45:26 2009 Received: (at 2648) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 12 Mar 2009 13:45:26 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=4.0 tests=FOURLA,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, XIRONPORT autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com (ironport2-out.teksavvy.com [206.248.154.182]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n2CDjILh018281 for <2648@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:45:20 -0700 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkIFAESuuElFxJo1/2dsb2JhbACBTtE8hA0G X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.38,350,1233550800"; d="scan'208";a="35084268" Received: from 69.196.153.53-wifi-optionsdsl.ca (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.154.53]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 12 Mar 2009 09:45:12 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 2E5F5825B; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:45:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Leo Cc: 2648@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#2648: 23.0.60; remove C-c ` from rcirc track minor mode Message-ID: References: Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:45:12 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Leo's message of "Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:12:01 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > rcirc track mode defines the following keys. > (define-key rcirc-track-minor-mode-map (kbd "C-c `") 'rcirc-next-active-buffer) > (define-key rcirc-track-minor-mode-map (kbd "C-c C-@") 'rcirc-next-active-buffer) > (define-key rcirc-track-minor-mode-map (kbd "C-c C-SPC") 'rcirc-next-active-buffer) > When this mode is enabled, those keys become GLOBAL and therefore can > easily step on bindings from other packages. One of them is AUCTeX. > I think it is entirely redundant to bind 'C-c `'. I'd propose this key > be removed when emacs is released. Otherwise it will confuse AUCTeX > users. Whenever there's an error, AUCTeX will ask users to type C-c ` to > get to the error, but instead this key will run > rcirc-next-active-buffer. The Elisp manual says: The key sequences bound in a minor mode should consist of `C-c' followed by one of `.,/?`'"[]\|~!#$%^&*()-_+='. (The other punctuation characters are reserved for major modes.) So, I think only the C-c ` binding should stay and the others should be removed. As for the conflict with AUCTeX, I'm not sure what we should do. Maybe use some other key. Arguably, buffer-local minor modes should take precedence over global minor modes, in which case AUCTeX's C-c ` binding would take precedence, but this is a "TODO" feature, so it doesn't help us here. Stefan From geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Thu Mar 12 10:37:19 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 12 Mar 2009 17:37:20 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=4.0 tests=FOURLA,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n2CHbEtM012036 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:37:16 -0700 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LhoqH-0000as-9I for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:37:13 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LhoqF-0000Z7-Sq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:37:12 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=43357 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LhoqE-0000Yj-6X for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:37:10 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2]:41335 helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LhoqD-0003A5-QL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:37:10 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Lhoq7-0002fq-PG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:37:04 +0000 Received: from smaug.linux.pwf.cam.ac.uk ([193.60.95.72]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:37:03 +0000 Received: from sdl.web by smaug.linux.pwf.cam.ac.uk with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:37:03 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org From: Leo Subject: Re: bug#2648: 23.0.60; remove C-c ` from rcirc track minor mode Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:36:52 +0000 Organization: University of Cambridge Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: smaug.linux.pwf.cam.ac.uk User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:JLoeZOYKiJ7LH636Lutu9H9MkDI= Sender: news X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) On 2009-03-12 13:45 +0000, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> rcirc track mode defines the following keys. > >> (define-key rcirc-track-minor-mode-map (kbd "C-c `") 'rcirc-next-active-buffer) >> (define-key rcirc-track-minor-mode-map (kbd "C-c C-@") 'rcirc-next-active-buffer) >> (define-key rcirc-track-minor-mode-map (kbd "C-c C-SPC") 'rcirc-next-active-buffer) > >> When this mode is enabled, those keys become GLOBAL and therefore can >> easily step on bindings from other packages. One of them is AUCTeX. > >> I think it is entirely redundant to bind 'C-c `'. I'd propose this key >> be removed when emacs is released. Otherwise it will confuse AUCTeX >> users. Whenever there's an error, AUCTeX will ask users to type C-c ` to >> get to the error, but instead this key will run >> rcirc-next-active-buffer. > > The Elisp manual says: > > The key sequences bound in a minor mode should consist of `C-c' > followed by one of `.,/?`'"[]\|~!#$%^&*()-_+='. (The other punctuation > characters are reserved for major modes.) It seems not many packages are consciously following this guideline. > So, I think only the C-c ` binding should stay and the others should > be removed. Then ERC will also have to be changed. > As for the conflict with AUCTeX, I'm not sure what we should do. > Maybe use some other key. Arguably, buffer-local minor modes should > take precedence over global minor modes, in which case AUCTeX's C-c ` > binding would take precedence, but this is a "TODO" feature, so it > doesn't help us here. One way or another. Given that AUCTeX is one of the major editing environments for LaTeX/TeX, it seems entirely unnecessary for a released emacs to cause any pain to those users, particularly when this can be fixed with minimal changes. > Stefan -- .: Leo :. [ sdl.web AT gmail.com ] .: I use Emacs :. www.git-scm.com git - the one true version control system From monnier@iro.umontreal.ca Thu Mar 12 12:38:56 2009 Received: (at 2648) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 12 Mar 2009 19:38:56 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=4.0 tests=FOURLA,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, XIRONPORT autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com (ironport2-out.teksavvy.com [206.248.154.182]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n2CJcqLk010355 for <2648@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:38:54 -0700 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvAEAHcBuUlFxJo1/2dsb2JhbACBTtB/hA0G X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.38,352,1233550800"; d="scan'208";a="35105310" Received: from 69.196.153.53-wifi-optionsdsl.ca (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.154.53]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 12 Mar 2009 15:38:47 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 8590881DF; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:38:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Leo Cc: 2648@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#2648: 23.0.60; remove C-c ` from rcirc track minor mode Message-ID: References: Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:38:46 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Leo's message of "Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:36:52 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> The key sequences bound in a minor mode should consist of `C-c' >> followed by one of `.,/?`'"[]\|~!#$%^&*()-_+='. (The other punctuation >> characters are reserved for major modes.) > It seems not many packages are consciously following this guideline. Outside packages, indeed. Bundled packages follow it a bit more carefully, tho. >> So, I think only the C-c ` binding should stay and the others should >> be removed. > Then ERC will also have to be changed. Could very well be. >> As for the conflict with AUCTeX, I'm not sure what we should do. >> Maybe use some other key. Arguably, buffer-local minor modes should >> take precedence over global minor modes, in which case AUCTeX's C-c ` >> binding would take precedence, but this is a "TODO" feature, so it >> doesn't help us here. > One way or another. Given that AUCTeX is one of the major editing > environments for LaTeX/TeX, it seems entirely unnecessary for a released > emacs to cause any pain to those users, particularly when this can be > fixed with minimal changes. Of course. The question is what the trivial change will be. Stefan From rgm@gnu.org Thu Mar 12 19:32:17 2009 Received: (at control) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 13 Mar 2009 02:32:17 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=4.0 tests=HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n2FCZowo009858 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 05:35:52 -0700 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LipZG-0001ef-LD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 08:35:50 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LipZB-0001e8-Le for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 08:35:49 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=49605 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LipZB-0001du-E3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 08:35:45 -0400 Received: from moderators.individual.net ([130.133.4.7]:57817) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LipZA-0000qE-Dt for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 08:35:44 -0400 Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.66]) by moderators.individual.net (Exim 4.69) for gnu-emacs-bug@moderators.individual.net with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1LipZ9-0001Rx-Cc>; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:35:43 +0100 Received: from relay1.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.67]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) for gnu-emacs-bug@moderators.individual.net with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1LipZ7-0008Kx-TD>; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:35:41 +0100 Received: from curry.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.1.2]) by relay1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) for gnu-emacs-bug@moderators.individual.net with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1LipZ7-0003JQ-Ru>; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:35:41 +0100 Received: by Curry.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2.0.98) from news.uni-berlin.de with bsmtp id ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:35:41 +0100 (MET) To: gnu-emacs-bug@moderators.individual.net Path: individual.net!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.bug Subject: Re: bug#2648: 23.0.60; remove C-c ` from rcirc track minor mode Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:35:41 +0900 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <878wn7arqa.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Orig-X-Trace: individual.net h9f5eIMYz2+zYycVOV/Gsw1V5XITsKIZkLtnn+WAJCPdItFiY0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:3OrV7W2LiiSy60aG6OIaLfvlv0E= sha1:fxhzqqpJIR/tRZVOxFRd0sHIUjo= System-Type: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu X-Originating-IP: 130.133.1.2 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) I'll note that I use C-c C-SPC more than probably any rcirc binding. For typical usage, it's important that it be very easy to type, and that it be bound globally. Maybe there's another binding with such properties, I dunno, but please don't change it unthinkingly. -Miles -- Non-combatant, n. A dead Quaker. From geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Sun Mar 15 06:10:18 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 15 Mar 2009 13:10:19 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=4.0 tests=HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n2FDADdP019944 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 06:10:15 -0700 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Liq6X-0008Lk-Bb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:10:13 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Liq6Q-0008LD-WA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:10:12 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=40713 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Liq6Q-0008LA-OM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:10:06 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2]:48250 helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Liq6Q-00058D-CX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:10:06 -0400 Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Liq6M-0003ri-B5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:10:02 +0000 Received: from smaug.linux.pwf.cam.ac.uk ([193.60.95.72]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:10:02 +0000 Received: from sdl.web by smaug.linux.pwf.cam.ac.uk with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:10:02 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org From: Leo Subject: Re: bug#2648: 23.0.60; remove C-c ` from rcirc track minor mode Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:09:32 +0000 Organization: University of Cambridge Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <878wn7arqa.fsf@catnip.gol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: smaug.linux.pwf.cam.ac.uk User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:4zcEAm1ho9WxGjTn0iNOdaj9o8o= Sender: news X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) On 2009-03-15 12:35 +0000, Miles Bader wrote: > I'll note that I use C-c C-SPC more than probably any rcirc binding. > > For typical usage, it's important that it be very easy to type, and that > it be bound globally. > > Maybe there's another binding with such properties, I dunno, but please > don't change it unthinkingly. I have also used C-c C-SPC both in ERC in the past and now in rcirc. I never noticed C-c ` until it failed AUCTeX. > -Miles -- .: Leo :. [ sdl.web AT gmail.com ] .: I use Emacs :. www.git-scm.com git - the one true version control system From monnier@iro.umontreal.ca Sun Mar 15 17:57:44 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 16 Mar 2009 00:57:44 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=4.0 tests=HAS_BUG_NUMBER,XIRONPORT autolearn=unavailable version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n2G0vfe2024282 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:57:42 -0700 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Lj19B-0007Mx-FM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:57:41 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Lj195-0007G0-W9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:57:40 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=43477 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Lj195-0007Fj-Pa for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:57:35 -0400 Received: from moderators.individual.net ([130.133.4.7]:35145) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Lj195-00066A-Ck for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:57:35 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]) by moderators.individual.net (Exim 4.69) for gnu-emacs-bug@moderators.individual.net with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1Lj194-0005cg-OW>; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 01:57:34 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Al8FAPdAvUlFxIZP/2dsb2JhbACBTs5Zg38GhEk X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.38,369,1233550800"; d="scan'208";a="35237613" Received: from 69-196-134-79.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([69.196.134.79]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 15 Mar 2009 20:57:32 -0400 Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 578E1B4E15; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:57:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Miles Bader Cc: 2648@debbugs.gnu.org, gnu-emacs-bug@moderators.individual.net Subject: Re: bug#2648: 23.0.60; remove C-c ` from rcirc track minor mode Message-ID: References: <878wn7arqa.fsf@catnip.gol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:57:32 -0400 In-Reply-To: <878wn7arqa.fsf@catnip.gol.com> (Miles Bader's message of "Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:35:41 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.90 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-CrossAssassin-Score: 2 > I'll note that I use C-c C-SPC more than probably any rcirc binding. > For typical usage, it's important that it be very easy to type, and that > it be bound globally. It'd be OK to provide such a binding under the control of a custom variable (that would default to mil). But by default, it's wrong to use such a key binding. Maybe a binding under C-x would be preferable. We could even imagine to provide such a command more generically (on the model of C-x `), i.e. a command that switches to the next "buffer with activity", which could be a shell buffer, an IRC buffer, or any other such buffer that mostly allows interaction with an external process (or a network connection). Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jun 24 16:11:41 2010 Received: (at 2648) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Jun 2010 20:11:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ORslx-000790-50 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Jun 2010 16:11:41 -0400 Received: from mail-ww0-f44.google.com ([74.125.82.44]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ORslv-00078v-H7 for 2648@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Jun 2010 16:11:39 -0400 Received: by wwb22 with SMTP id 22so909876wwb.3 for <2648@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 24 Jun 2010 13:11:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=Ed3zBvvBpgiC1AAtWM14Z6k+MQac/Zr9jqd+n+lNxho=; b=N4bksOLtoOlszwstkCRQYFg1Uf/lCtGTCDxI6RmVd4DrikQg9KpKHHOV69lzDxAjnG zWXB5MA/WNeFSLHWcuybGO4uXk0it77L76QUq8aZICtOKI1dOBKQXJztMSFMHjA5tmuU 5EqlZR9fj3zfwhcPkBuQHThc6Dtfy1HhNpybk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=LcVpBO+oY2Vj/LhVCF01BB7Lw/4ysD39ZEeZEHjO+XF7zbAQ3SCLmKl6GY9UZpnBF0 eLzgdhfvkyaqcvLI7uOtpNxdSy+ciMzKT2E38VkEjLnT0sW88A/AqfYfKKv4Pk68ruh0 Wb2AyhSZcIa+UnHgVBK/E1l1bs7E1Cso1nlM4= Received: by 10.216.160.130 with SMTP id u2mr4268101wek.73.1277410294310; Thu, 24 Jun 2010 13:11:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.183.3 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Jun 2010 13:11:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Deniz Dogan Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 22:11:04 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: To: 2648@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 2648 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) It seems that the binding was removed in rev 98155 on October 15 2009. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jun 24 17:18:25 2010 Received: (at 2648-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Jun 2010 21:18:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ORtoW-0008DF-Rj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Jun 2010 17:18:25 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ORtoU-0008DA-Mv for 2648-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Jun 2010 17:18:22 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ORtoQ-0002n2-80; Thu, 24 Jun 2010 17:18:18 -0400 To: Deniz Dogan Subject: Re: bug#2648: References: From: Glenn Morris X-Spook: defense information warfare Uzi CIA argus fundamentalist X-Ran: s[!)"2aA)]]#D3#'y2VO*azAg$=Bs$smki9zz/`yPl$Pcm]F[kI8D:wL37I.;dWB;)t(h> X-Hue: red X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 17:18:18 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Deniz Dogan's message of "Thu\, 24 Jun 2010 22\:11\:04 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 2648-done Cc: 2648-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) Deniz Dogan wrote: > It seems that the binding was removed in rev 98155 on October 15 2009. Thanks. Feel free to close a bug if you notice it should be closed. You just send a mail to ###-done@debbugs, as I did in this message. From unknown Sun Jun 15 01:03:19 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:24:04 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator