From unknown Fri Aug 15 21:24:03 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#26455: Emacs Packaging Resent-From: Muto Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 00:18:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 26455 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 26455@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.14919562817193 (code B ref -1); Wed, 12 Apr 2017 00:18:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Apr 2017 00:18:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43467 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cy5yy-0001rx-EV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 20:18:00 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38100) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cy5k2-0001V1-9I for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 20:02:34 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cy5jw-0000Sz-8p for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 20:02:29 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,HTML_MESSAGE, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:60288) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cy5jw-0000Ss-5Z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 20:02:28 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57304) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cy5ju-0008O6-NI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 20:02:27 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cy5jq-0000RZ-QR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 20:02:26 -0400 Received: from w1.tutanota.de ([81.3.6.162]:41455) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cy5jq-0000R3-Fz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 20:02:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by w1.tutanota.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17FBCFA9CB0 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2017 00:02:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from w1.tutanota.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (w1.tutanota.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aBij9ZG0I0BZ for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2017 02:02:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from w1.tutanota.de (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by w1.tutanota.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E2CFA9C10 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2017 00:02:17 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=tutanota.com; s=20161216; t=1491955337; bh=R6avwSMUkSWvZZdlME7XIrT+G5znkpIaLvJ9wh2a8CU=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=d+QdOQNFlBiToKpW9I6Bpc/LwN2wbBZc5CCXGOEHu4eNIPKx7GzTj57sctNIF1mJw IccUk+Y12b+GIk3EDEE8T3aA53ia+MCATlNqIYcLGou09rgRQT2p4+oR6Dq5P3E8rU QzPCw1nh0+q1mJot94UOJDs/m+jPrW5cPQ4ZPCvYCgI1dGwyVE5bDdzwhWJfAFPGwv 0Edp4EGJ0EZM+9EBGt6xcl1kDNElQvLxA37IloBy5fhOiz8xrfRMmZnSK7f849Ej/C Stph4dnWPpx6mQ2e+yrCfZlumK8kAVgqbC+oqvX1grYHS5gAJd0KbNGBWOlYcfDHbF uY3tlPDIKc85A== Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 02:02:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Muto Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_312630_183911278.1491955337514" X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 20:17:59 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) ------=_Part_312630_183911278.1491955337514 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Request to alter the "recommended" way of installing Emacs in GNU/Linux: Although technically not a bug, the "Download" section in the Emacs website is somewhat vague in describing how to install Emacs in GNU/Linux. Rather than the options "build from source" or "use an older version", I believe Emacs should ship packaged with a tool such as AppImage (http://appimage.org) Or FlatPak (http://flatpak.org). This way installation on GNU/Linux systems would be simplified significantly and on top of that users would have easy access to the latest version rather than installing from a repository. --Stay paranoid, and happy hacking! -Muto https://mastodon.social/@MutoShack ------=_Part_312630_183911278.1491955337514 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Request to alter the "recommended" way of installing Emacs = in GNU/Linux:

Although technically not a bug, the "Download= " section in the Emacs website is somewhat vague in describing how to = install Emacs in GNU/Linux. Rather than the options "build from source= " or "use an older version", I believe Emacs should ship pac= kaged with a tool such as
AppImage (http://appimage.org)
Or FlatPak (http://flatpak.org).
This way installation on GNU/= Linux systems would be simplified significantly and on top of that users wo= uld have easy access to the latest version rather than installing from a re= pository.
--
Stay paranoid, and happy hacking! -Muto
https://mastodon.social/@MutoShack
------=_Part_312630_183911278.1491955337514-- From unknown Fri Aug 15 21:24:03 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#26455: Emacs Packaging Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 19:40:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 26455 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Muto Cc: 26455@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 26455-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B26455.149202596715167 (code B ref 26455); Wed, 12 Apr 2017 19:40:02 +0000 Received: (at 26455) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Apr 2017 19:39:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44777 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cyO6x-0003wZ-7J for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2017 15:39:27 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56108) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cyO6w-0003wM-AJ for 26455@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2017 15:39:26 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cyO6q-00027M-7t for 26455@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2017 15:39:21 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:49480) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cyO6k-00025n-9X; Wed, 12 Apr 2017 15:39:14 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1cyO6j-0005JL-UP; Wed, 12 Apr 2017 15:39:13 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: X-Spook: Forest fire Secure Border Initiative Airplane CESID X-Ran: g2VG#3^/)/"Ie^(7|q/n1)jIu:qsg[?%A8AntZy\qHJ*2,>X5&)[VVhIf!DF_v4iWle3$, X-Hue: white X-Attribution: GM Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 15:39:13 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Muto's message of "Wed, 12 Apr 2017 02:02:17 +0200 (CEST)") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Muto wrote: > Although technically not a bug, the "Download" section in the Emacs > website is somewhat vague in describing how to install Emacs in > GNU/Linux. Rather than the options "build from source" or "use an > older version", I believe Emacs should ship packaged with a tool such > as > AppImage (http://appimage.org) > Or FlatPak (http://flatpak.org). > This way installation on GNU/Linux systems would be simplified > significantly and on top of that users would have easy access to the > latest version rather than installing from a repository. Staying paranoid as requested: Do these approaches mean that the Emacs developers then become responsible for shipping all the required dependent libraries, monitoring them for security issues, and updating them when needed, rather than relying on the distribution to do that? > --Stay paranoid, and happy hacking! -Muto From unknown Fri Aug 15 21:24:03 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#26455: Emacs Packaging Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 19:45:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 26455 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Muto Cc: 26455@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 26455-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B26455.149202628715663 (code B ref 26455); Wed, 12 Apr 2017 19:45:02 +0000 Received: (at 26455) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Apr 2017 19:44:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44784 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cyOC7-00044Z-25 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2017 15:44:47 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:57479) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cyOC5-00044B-CR for 26455@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2017 15:44:45 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cyOBz-000411-J0 for 26455@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2017 15:44:40 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:49536) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cyOBw-00040A-PU; Wed, 12 Apr 2017 15:44:36 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1cyOBw-0005do-CQ; Wed, 12 Apr 2017 15:44:36 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: X-Spook: AIEWS Hostage encryption Blowpipe David John Oates X-Ran: ;^:jrUgsDQ9CE.Uk>YOGVTQ1&|V;\5{j.+5hdEr5*M<=naZL3j.GeUR|#X,Ji^@n0_sMRk X-Hue: magenta X-Attribution: GM Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 15:44:36 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Wed, 12 Apr 2017 15:39:13 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) PS If these technologies take off, this perhaps feels like something that should be addressed at the GNU level rather than the Emacs level. (Perhaps guix already provides some version of this?) From unknown Fri Aug 15 21:24:03 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#26455: Emacs Packaging Resent-From: Muto Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2017 17:17:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 26455 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris , 26455@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 26455-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B26455.149244938813043 (code B ref 26455); Mon, 17 Apr 2017 17:17:02 +0000 Received: (at 26455) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Apr 2017 17:16:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52784 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d0AGJ-0003Nw-L2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Apr 2017 13:16:27 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:46348) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d0ADk-00024A-AW for 26455@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Apr 2017 13:13:54 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d0ADd-0003e1-S3 for 26455@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Apr 2017 13:13:43 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,HTML_MESSAGE, RP_MATCHES_RCVD,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:48312) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d0ADd-0003dt-KT for 26455@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Apr 2017 13:13:41 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1d0ADd-000824-BG for 26455@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Apr 2017 13:13:41 -0400 Resent-Message-ID: <22772.63428.965621.790242@gnu.org> Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2017 13:13:40 -0400 Resent-From: Glenn Morris Resent-To: 26455@debbugs.gnu.org DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=tutanota.com; s=20161216; t=1492316759; bh=KHQxgJPgmRLJ0alFeVI8gA0Jh1n1tPF0ykz6w+0flr4=; h=Date:From:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From; b=mnFSREY3z/buYbgmfOmRn2RZS8Gwl/AFGp9IFat9aDC1uhoPwEwlX5qXfRc1yabwG yH6w5vvdtn6PF1EBO/MpetDe5KSNSSMoYrgCk9LzY0l1hVQltRrNNQ4Lj1N0RGkzzy UwXLkUivz+toRxas05I96bWRy6xfJ4ZOzj/eL6/B1bl/cMJ3sU9AH+yTr/QFVMVrdA R+FIcg+sH8PyqZH+xyBR+xJwnOx8yHcJ9yWYoWkeWhEi4pW6ahJyVVF5/0RqbMZkhj qHVTHM6FOxV/BGGQF9gYxvqRyTe30q1vmQpIotHlSFgEKcBzpGm9A3luUl8dVN7SdU W0j7H+PaZ6Xfw== Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: < (Muto's message of "Wed, 12 Apr 2017 02:02:17 +0200 (CEST)")> < (Glenn Morris's message of "Wed, 12 Apr 2017 15:39:13 -0400")> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_61434_2065428189.1492316759299" X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2017 06:25:59 +0200 (CEST) From: Muto X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 17 Apr 2017 13:16:27 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) ------=_Part_61434_2065428189.1492316759299 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry for the late reply, been thinking it over. I have to say I completely agree with you, to keep all the libraries up to date inside a .appimage package would be awkward to maintain. Perhaps I'll write a tool to help simplify this method someday. So about installing Emacs (the latest version), maybe have a list off packages the user needs for it, at least the packages that aren't usually installed by default, on the "Download" page? e.g.: To install Emacs from source, make sure you have the following packages installed: build-essential texinfo libx11-dev libxpm-dev libjpeg-dev libpng-dev libgif-dev libtiff-dev libgtk2.0-dev libncurses-dev libxpm-dev automake autoconf Then simply "./configure" "make" "make install" Although, I'm not sure, many package names are different by other GNU/Linux distributions. Sorry for the long letter, I'm sure you're really busy, but thank you for your time. - -Stay paranoid. -Muto https://mastodon.social/@MutoShack 12. Apr 2017 13:44 by rgm@gnu.org: > > PS If these technologies take off, this perhaps feels like something > that should be addressed at the GNU level rather than the Emacs level. > (Perhaps guix already provides some version of this?) ------=_Part_61434_2065428189.1492316759299 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sorry for the late reply, been thinking it over.
I have to say I completely agree with you, to keep all the libraries up to date inside a .appimage package would be awkward to maintain.
Perhaps I'll write a tool to help simplify this method someday.

So about installing Emacs (the latest version), maybe have a list off packages the user needs for it, at least the packages that aren't usually installed by default, on the "Download" page?

e.g.:
To install Emacs from source, make sure you have the following packages installed:
build-essential texinfo libx11-dev libxpm-dev libjpeg-dev libpng-dev libgif-dev libtiff-dev libgtk2.0-dev libncurses-dev libxpm-dev automake autoconf
Then simply "./configure" "make" "make install"

Although, I'm not sure, many package names are different by other GNU/Linux distributions.
Sorry for the long letter, I'm sure you're really busy, but thank you for your time.

- -
Stay paranoid. -Muto


12. Apr 2017 13:44 by rgm@gnu.org:


PS If these technologies take off, this perhaps feels like something
that should be addressed at the GNU level rather than the Emacs level.
(Perhaps guix already provides some version of this?)
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Received: from h-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:39188 helo=localhost) by host.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iStXP-0002Ek-Jn; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 19:58:12 -0600 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Wed, 12 Apr 2017 15:39:13 -0400") References: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2019 02:58:09 +0100 Message-ID: <87zhh7w2mm.fsf@marxist.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: host.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: host.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Glenn Morris writes: > Muto wrote: > >> Although technically not a bug, the "Download" section in the Emacs >> website is somewhat vague in describing how to install Emacs in >> GNU/Linux. Rather than the options "build from source" or "use an >> older version", I believe Emacs should ship packaged with a tool such >> as >> AppImage (http://appimage.org) >> Or FlatPak (http://flatpak.org). >> This way installation on GNU/Linux systems would be simplified >> significantly and on top of that users would have easy access to the >> latest version rather than installing from a repository. > > Staying paranoid as requested: > > Do these approaches mean that the Emacs developers then become > responsible for shipping all the required dependent libraries, > monitoring them for security issues, and updating them when needed, > rather than relying on the distribution to do that? > >> --Stay paranoid, and happy hacking! -Muto Glenn Morris writes: > PS If these technologies take off, this perhaps feels like something > that should be addressed at the GNU level rather than the Emacs level. > (Perhaps guix already provides some version of this?) While I think this is not a bad idea in and of itself, I think this is beyond the scope of the Emacs project at the moment given our scarce resources. Or perhaps it's better addressed at the GNU level as Glenn suggests. I'd therefore suggest to close this as wontfix. Any other opinions? Best regards, Stefan Kangas From unknown Fri Aug 15 21:24:03 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#26455: Emacs Packaging Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 20:18:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 26455 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: Muto , 26455@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 26455-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B26455.157644108014086 (code B ref 26455); Sun, 15 Dec 2019 20:18:02 +0000 Received: (at 26455) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Dec 2019 20:18:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37178 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1igaL1-0003f6-Ih for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 15:17:59 -0500 Received: from ted.gofardesign.uk ([67.225.143.91]:44596) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1igaL0-0003es-DF; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 15:17:58 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=n2KkCph/RP82+Wm96ZtXBa5bK4P/3ZNrC/sr/GQM3js=; b=VZDLCpXZYROx6yJgBhit8a3RRX EUcbw+d9rewOiUL1oD31qTYpjVfC+xVJIpxQ3hXv4onnpPxmw0R5PRa74CDxp8Y0e9iCUSrdjJgta 3ow21WOfHgNxy7tY82tQfN0AUhYftcwF5xko+ebyxG4pdS1ytwA+nROCT4y+kw+VYsRbKhJK83nr8 vVR5Uy57f6oUf/S8/j7Yk1YldJsMIdKgnpOKQgqux6lEs4HyU8BPY1H1WZxfdec4xYFFX1ocj0kjQ ZPm6c7PgrIEH2onkzB7tc6gXHgLX+ZU0a589eQK1huWMLgFn8Bmph8sr+An6x/yBtq9L9p/BOMlhx kaPDuu+A==; Received: from h-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:52184 helo=localhost) by ted.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1igaKu-000NUJ-Bx; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 15:17:52 -0500 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <87zhh7w2mm.fsf@marxist.se> (Stefan Kangas's message of "Fri, 08 Nov 2019 02:58:09 +0100") References: <87zhh7w2mm.fsf@marxist.se> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 21:17:50 +0100 Message-ID: <87v9qhe429.fsf@marxist.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ted.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: ted.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: ted.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) tags 26455 + wontfix close 26455 thanks Stefan Kangas writes: > Glenn Morris writes: > >> PS If these technologies take off, this perhaps feels like something >> that should be addressed at the GNU level rather than the Emacs level. >> (Perhaps guix already provides some version of this?) > > While I think this is not a bad idea in and of itself, I think this is > beyond the scope of the Emacs project at the moment given our scarce > resources. Or perhaps it's better addressed at the GNU level as Glenn > suggests. > > I'd therefore suggest to close this as wontfix. Any other opinions? No further comments within 5 weeks, so I'm closing this as wontfix. Best regards, Stefan Kangas