From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Mar 19 19:15:28 2017 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Mar 2017 23:15:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35631 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cpk2p-00026o-Ql for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:15:28 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:58945) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cpk2o-00026b-Id for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:15:26 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cpk2i-0006X6-Gs for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:15:21 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:51949) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cpk2i-0006X0-Dw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:15:20 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1cpk2h-0005fp-1t; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:15:19 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: submit@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Remove etags X-Spook: Armani Bin Laden Biological weapon Nigeria MARTA Indigo X-Ran: [NRvFWF4TA[5f&(>z2@dfFA9f<,rsb=`vH`#HP84GaRZM29d^-8Ibuu8*JNkeh.l<)P4A< X-Hue: cyan X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:15:18 -0400 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Package: emacs Severity: wishlist Version: 25.2 I've never understood why Emacs includes a tags program. It's not part of the normal remit of a text editor. This was previously discussed: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2007-01/msg00075.html It sounds like the answer is "historical reasons". The situation has changed since then in that etags no longer has a maintainer (IIUC). I would like to suggest removing etags so that the time saved can be spent on other things. Having our own tags program means we can tweak it to work better for our own code; but conversely it would be better if our code Just Worked with standard (ie external) tools. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Mar 20 14:40:11 2017 Received: (at 26181) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Mar 2017 18:40:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36643 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cq2Dz-0006uo-LJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:40:11 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51361) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cq2Dx-0006ua-FB for 26181@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:40:09 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cq2Dr-0004Ub-Ig for 26181@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:40:04 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:37848) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cq2Dl-0004TL-DZ; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:39:57 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1333 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1cq2Dk-00017i-CM; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:39:56 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 20:39:41 +0200 Message-Id: <83k27jx05u.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Glenn Morris , Francesco =?iso-8859-1?Q?Potort=EC?= In-reply-to: (message from Glenn Morris on Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:15:18 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#26181: Remove etags References: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 26181 Cc: 26181@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Glenn Morris > Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:15:18 -0400 > > I would like to suggest removing etags so that the time saved can be > spent on other things. What is considered a replacement? The two I know about, GNU Global and Exuberant ctags, don't have support for some of the languages we support in etags (e.g., Ada). And Exuberant ctags seems not to be developed anymore(?). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Mar 20 16:35:26 2017 Received: (at 26181) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Mar 2017 20:35:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36748 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cq41W-0001Np-Ci for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 16:35:26 -0400 Received: from gateway-a.fh-trier.de ([143.93.54.181]:43117) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cq41V-0001Nc-2B for 26181@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 16:35:25 -0400 X-Virus-Scanned: by Amavisd-new + McAfee uvscan + ClamAV [Rechenzentrum Hochschule Trier (RZ/HT)] Received: from localhost (ip5f5bdecf.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de [95.91.222.207]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: politza) by gateway-a.fh-trier.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7EFCF179ACFF; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 21:35:05 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple/simple; d=hochschule-trier.de; s=default; t=1490042105; bh=tVg+CW1JuQC8A0pgf/lW7c22zJQ=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=B+8o7LMvZxxWX6kvYqL/c1/wIWagtE99OASSiDBat9reIr8/zhYQrHNmrdZ/ALjlI AaIGcCq7eeEmKQNGMgSqyfsuPE6FFnv9Lqg0YCST6YfdYZIEON1NyIieMa1IzHg3Jz 0Oox5cq+4DUTEFLI7N24Dmy5Uv4QMsfONK50SjP4= From: Andreas Politz To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#26181: Remove etags References: <83k27jx05u.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 21:35:04 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83k27jx05u.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 20 Mar 2017 20:39:41 +0200") Message-ID: <87y3vzd6vb.fsf@luca> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 26181 Cc: Glenn Morris , Francesco =?utf-8?Q?Potort=C3=AC?= , 26181@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Eli Zaretskii writes: > And Exuberant ctags seems not to be developed anymore(?). There is an effort to continue development. https://github.com/universal-ctags/ctags -ap From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Mar 21 05:03:34 2017 Received: (at 26181) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Mar 2017 09:03:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37189 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cqFhV-00043R-Ue for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 05:03:34 -0400 Received: from mail-wm0-f53.google.com ([74.125.82.53]:37066) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cqFhU-00043A-BL for 26181@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 05:03:32 -0400 Received: by mail-wm0-f53.google.com with SMTP id n11so7209969wma.0 for <26181@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 02:03:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=luSfQ+miX954VSXlRpMtAK2rGiqedxPzjYNDl77EgwY=; b=ukXw47T3iQjLb8NCLceQ4qub51LD6QqFo/KQ77Rv7e7xtZXrz8dy35lsXsEZgcvXaT wj7kScX1WjlXYhHFqID3sf/q6bCBQcyebIBXbPKmyysHkWX0cJ/wp/QHxtD1LKOGVs1x eGUWYcxic+yLPizuRDc7EFYEIxDQa5CwYog+xv4dF+WTSeMu1lmi4FSzHQHfuuFnvELt QlDiVh2j2HfJlUF5lgrqgheR+FFRaPxQnMzogJYuW2Xp4GPr8FzmNYRX4I8gu19Sl2Cq 9s8xUZA25tlHRtyGrpLLsDN01G2oPmrRx23ErH7zBiNLUTkNmw3NYqcQLpGkxFlNGQD2 XFYA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:to:references:from:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=luSfQ+miX954VSXlRpMtAK2rGiqedxPzjYNDl77EgwY=; b=kRQEodqiBGyywbmijXR/OG6pOtBz2IMXg6yJ2K1b7PFrxg+YAISsgMbwhqnXvJsBRR tX296CxpG0MZImIye4UTXpOhnvC6R9EktR4OYud+OsWYW7d1FzVSeEMM+amT6MgXv0TZ G+/r9Ac1viasmL6tx3xv8yprPYa+skAWi+oGZCq/Pv1mrnlM543VQ9Ukf3UOmts3ID47 GcrGC336oAOX+jW0jk9Lsy/NjjcIEr3nlaLQgCRZ72cazKc0nLuIEr+OZMz3go3NvdDe 9BPf9hypkeE7z1SAHOxVzbySWBsYiZVKqubaNwnXwxsOTE3dXqqbnBh9fwb4ZQf38TMR RHlg== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H2NAzT1V2JCc318waxmyNix65VTEmgslOCn6k16oNizVFCPunSfjXEc9YIUnVBa4w== X-Received: by 10.28.37.135 with SMTP id l129mr1565521wml.49.1490087006633; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 02:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([185.105.173.156]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id n59sm24007215wrb.54.2017.03.21.02.03.24 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 21 Mar 2017 02:03:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: bug#26181: Remove etags To: Glenn Morris , 26181@debbugs.gnu.org References: From: Dmitry Gutov Message-ID: <5a534b9a-14bf-ca3f-ae04-f37c6f66d399@yandex.ru> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 11:03:24 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 26181 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) On 20.03.2017 01:15, Glenn Morris wrote: > I've never understood why Emacs includes a tags program. > It's not part of the normal remit of a text editor. FWIW, it has been handy when we introduced xref and started treating the tags a bit more strictly. > The situation has changed since then in that etags no longer has a > maintainer (IIUC). AFAIK Eli is the maintainer now. And it's handy to have for now, at least until Universal Ctags is widely available across distributions, handles all languages as well as etags does, and outputs correct entries WRT implicit/explicit tag names (not 100% sure there is a problem, but it's something that we had to fix in etags recently, at least). Having all these conditions satisfied seems to be a . > Having our own tags program means we can tweak it to work better for our > own code; but conversely it would be better if our code Just Worked with > standard (ie external) tools. The latter might mean learning to use the ctags output (Vim format). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Mar 21 06:34:51 2017 Received: (at 26181) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Mar 2017 10:34:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37248 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cqH7q-0006KD-VN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 06:34:51 -0400 Received: from mx-all.isti.cnr.it ([194.119.192.19]:1656 helo=blade3.isti.cnr.it) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cqH7o-0006K1-JV for 26181@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 06:34:49 -0400 Received: from tucano.isti.cnr.it ([146.48.81.102]) by mx-all.isti.cnr.it (PMDF V6.5-x6 #1251) with ESMTPSA id <01QC8FVGWOW0DSYRE1@mx-all.isti.cnr.it> for 26181@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 11:34:44 +0100 (MET) Received: from pot by tucano.isti.cnr.it with local (Exim 4.88) (envelope-from ) id 1cqH7j-0002Dt-Si; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 11:34:43 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 11:34:43 +0100 From: =?utf-8?Q?Francesco_Potort=C3=AC?= Subject: Re: bug#26181: Remove etags In-reply-to: <5a534b9a-14bf-ca3f-ae04-f37c6f66d399@yandex.ru> To: Dmitry Gutov Message-id: Organization: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-INSM-ip-source: 146.48.81.102 Auth Done X-fingerprint: 4B02 6187 5C03 D6B1 2E31 7666 09DF 2DC9 BE21 6115 References: <5a534b9a-14bf-ca3f-ae04-f37c6f66d399@yandex.ru> X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 26181 Cc: Glenn Morris , 26181@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) Dmitry Gutov: >AFAIK Eli is the maintainer now. And it's handy to have for now, at >least until Universal Ctags is widely available across distributions, >handles all languages as well as etags does, and outputs correct entries >WRT implicit/explicit tag names (not 100% sure there is a problem, but >it's something that we had to fix in etags recently, at least). I agree. Generally speaking, etags requires little maintenance, being mature (sorry for not being able to provide even this little maintenance any more). Certainly less than having to manage an external tool. Glenn Morris: >> Having our own tags program means we can tweak it to work better for our >> own code; but conversely it would be better if our code Just Worked with >> standard (ie external) tools. > >The latter might mean learning to use the ctags output (Vim format). Only if the above conditions are satisfied, plus having the same amount of information and not much bigger size. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Mar 21 11:42:30 2017 Received: (at 26181) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Mar 2017 15:42:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38142 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cqLva-0007L0-6F for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 11:42:30 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:44219) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cqLvY-0007Km-8h for 26181@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 11:42:28 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cqLvO-0005oX-U2 for 26181@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 11:42:23 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:56050) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cqLvO-0005oT-QO; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 11:42:18 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2372 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1cqLvN-0002t4-TM; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 11:42:18 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:42:06 +0200 Message-Id: <837f3iwsa9.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Dmitry Gutov In-reply-to: <5a534b9a-14bf-ca3f-ae04-f37c6f66d399@yandex.ru> (message from Dmitry Gutov on Tue, 21 Mar 2017 11:03:24 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#26181: Remove etags References: <5a534b9a-14bf-ca3f-ae04-f37c6f66d399@yandex.ru> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 26181 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 26181@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Dmitry Gutov > Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 11:03:24 +0200 > > And [etags is] handy to have for now, at least until Universal Ctags > is widely available across distributions This indeed seems like the most important prerequisite, because the command-line options accepted by Universal ctags are incompatible with those of etags, so supporting both would be a pain. > > Having our own tags program means we can tweak it to work better for our > > own code; but conversely it would be better if our code Just Worked with > > standard (ie external) tools. > > The latter might mean learning to use the ctags output (Vim format). You mean, if we want to support tools beyond Universal ctags? (Because the latter supports Emacs-compatible TAGS output.) Yes, if we want to support other tools, we'd need to extend etags.el or rely on external packages for parsing their tags tables. E.g. GNU Global doesn't support TAGS format even as an option, AFAIK. 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[212.31.107.118]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id c76sm18328199wme.23.2017.03.21.09.45.10 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 21 Mar 2017 09:45:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: bug#26181: Remove etags To: Eli Zaretskii References: <5a534b9a-14bf-ca3f-ae04-f37c6f66d399@yandex.ru> <837f3iwsa9.fsf@gnu.org> From: Dmitry Gutov Message-ID: <898d25af-76ae-279b-8b90-4fd60ebed604@yandex.ru> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 18:45:09 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <837f3iwsa9.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 26181 Cc: 26181@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) On 21.03.2017 17:42, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> The latter might mean learning to use the ctags output (Vim format). > > You mean, if we want to support tools beyond Universal ctags? Not what I meant. > (Because the latter supports Emacs-compatible TAGS output.) It officially does, but if etags is no more, the TAGS format has no reference implementation, and thus becomes less relevant and harder to conform to. The Vim tags format is clearly more important to a program like ctags, so we might want to get to supporting that. It's also more rich, IIUC. > Yes, if > we want to support other tools, we'd need to extend etags.el or rely > on external packages for parsing their tags tables. E.g. GNU Global > doesn't support TAGS format even as an option, AFAIK. True. For Global, I think the vast majority of code in etags.el becomes irrelevant. 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[76.234.69.149]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 198sm10331098pgb.51.2017.03.28.22.13.57 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 28 Mar 2017 22:13:57 -0700 (PDT) From: John Wiegley X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 9DBDD33515A8; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 22:14:43 -0700 (PDT) To: Glenn Morris Subject: Re: bug#26181: Remove etags In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:15:18 -0400") Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 22:14:40 -0700 Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Gnus/5.130016 (Ma Gnus v0.16) Emacs/25.2 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 26181 Cc: 26181@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) >>>>> "GM" == Glenn Morris writes: GM> I've never understood why Emacs includes a tags program. It's not part of GM> the normal remit of a text editor. That description applies to the majority of what Emacs has become today. :) ctags is included because it's an auxiliary program to extend the ability of Emacs to jump around code. That it's not implement in Emacs Lisp, or the C core of Emacs itself, is really beside the point. For all intents and purposes, it's part of what Emacs offers to the *user*, and I bet there are many users who aren't even aware that it's a separate program. GM> I would like to suggest removing etags so that the time saved can be spent GM> on other things. I appreciate your desire to optimize our project management burdens, but this is better mentioned on emacs-devel than a bug report. Removing etags will not increase the time spent on other things. You yourself can ignore etags, and spend your time elsewhere, but as long as someone is willing to keep working on etags, then by definition that is where they choose to spend their time. I could take away the opportunity, certainly, but I can't then allocate the time it would free up. If no one is maintaining something, *and* no one is using it, that's the time to consider deprecation and eventual removal. -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Apr 03 16:54:43 2017 Received: (at 26181) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Apr 2017 20:54:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59505 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cv8zq-0001q7-Tk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Apr 2017 16:54:43 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:43453) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cv8zn-0001ps-Th for 26181@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Apr 2017 16:54:40 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cv8zi-000238-2V for 26181@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Apr 2017 16:54:34 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:55295) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cv8zh-000234-Vh for 26181@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Apr 2017 16:54:34 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1cv8zh-0007Uo-Ef; Mon, 03 Apr 2017 16:54:33 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: 26181@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#26181: Remove etags References: X-Spook: Albright Chobetsu Putin Hurricane Interstate Plane X-Ran: 7Yq[PEk~6#LQ+Ayk^VzH"d31u?[)tQ)"%!`x"[}uoOt.kH|8$nG.?YH,P*`s4v=2b1+j{I X-Hue: green X-Attribution: GM Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2017 16:54:33 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:15:18 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 26181 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) PS I should have suggested this initially, but why not split it off into a separate project from Emacs? Bundling unrelated packages into one project is generally bad form. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Apr 04 12:20:10 2017 Received: (at 26181) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Apr 2017 16:20:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60859 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cvRBi-0001zm-Hs for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Apr 2017 12:20:10 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59180) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cvRBh-0001zZ-3E for 26181@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Apr 2017 12:20:09 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cvRBb-0001fz-3M for 26181@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Apr 2017 12:20:04 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:45322) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cvRBb-0001fq-0H for 26181@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Apr 2017 12:20:03 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1cvRBa-0004mT-BB; Tue, 04 Apr 2017 12:20:02 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Glenn Morris In-reply-to: (message from Glenn Morris on Mon, 03 Apr 2017 16:54:33 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#26181: Remove etags References: Message-Id: Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2017 12:20:02 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 26181 Cc: 26181@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] etags exists for Emacs. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Richard Stallman writes: > etags exists for Emacs. (I'm going through old bug reports that unfortunately weren't resolved at the time.) Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 26181 Cc: Glenn Morris , 26181@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Richard Stallman writes: > etags exists for Emacs. (I'm going through old bug reports that unfortunately weren't resolved at the time.) There didn't seem to be much enthusiasm from anybody in removing etags from Emacs, so I'm therefore closing this bug report. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 08 01:27:53 2022 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Feb 2022 06:27:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44886 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nHJyj-0000Vs-9f for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Feb 2022 01:27:53 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:48304) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nHJyh-0000VO-55 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Feb 2022 01:27:51 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Subject:From:To:Message-Id:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=ovFApjPOv1SkJanWZWTDSPqnOF2hniYaUVKx8vuP6xQ=; b=cexkHEjPsXv7Gk7Psw1rat16Lv ZAcGMFI50oasmY18Pmlui9D/QGa11BfIGNpDM2GOQmvhN0rS7GDe/+N4FkzCccU40MFfKfo7P+ay4 9VuflPWulGfpVX+hAtDMHcpgP68oKgF7YemmvDIBDFaGOo0MGeIdiMMAsppiPqFEYmQk=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=giant) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nHJyZ-0001pI-8n for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Feb 2022 07:27:45 +0100 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2022 07:27:42 +0100 Message-Id: <87leylub35.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #26181 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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