From unknown Sat Sep 20 22:52:44 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#26180: Remove motif toolkit support Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 23:15:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 26180 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 26180@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: submit@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.14899652787985 (code B ref -1); Sun, 19 Mar 2017 23:15:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Mar 2017 23:14:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35626 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cpk22-00024j-Ih for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:14:38 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:58643) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cpk22-00024W-2T for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:14:38 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cpk1w-0006Fx-9a for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:14:33 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:51940) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cpk1w-0006Ft-6J for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:14:32 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1cpk1v-0005YU-Pb; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:14:31 -0400 From: Glenn Morris X-Spook: Chobetsu mailbomb Ansar al-Islam SEAL Team 6 computer X-Ran: l:3ftM|FlB\%$c&2"1)[vh~F\Ei-,_G+sZ(3{{3D;")".coOr|Z#Z8k1fOOZ:W;syf0>Ae X-Hue: red X-Attribution: GM Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:14:31 -0400 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Package: emacs Version: 25.2 Severity: wishlist I'd like to suggest removing support for the Motif toolkit. Motivation: Supporting more toolkits (gtk2, gtk3, lucid, motif, none) makes it harder to develop relevant low-level features. The Motif toolkit build of Emacs seems to be very little used: - Fedora packages just a Gtk version - Debian packages Gtk and Lucid - Only ~20 mentions of "motif" on bug-gnu-emacs, ever. Most are just comparison testing (I see https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GNU_Emacs mentions it, but my suspicion is that this is just an attempt at completeness when listing alternatives to Gtk. Since it's listed first, I wonder if this has caused more people to use it than otherwise would. All just speculation on my part.) (The "none" toolkit is also never used in practice, but I understand it may be useful as a base/reference.) From unknown Sat Sep 20 22:52:44 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#26180: Remove motif toolkit support Resent-From: martin rudalics Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 08:02:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 26180 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris , 26180@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 26180-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B26180.149025608210800 (code B ref 26180); Thu, 23 Mar 2017 08:02:02 +0000 Received: (at 26180) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Mar 2017 08:01:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40100 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cqxgQ-0002o8-Ga for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 04:01:22 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]:57434) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cqxgN-0002nu-J0 for 26180@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 04:01:21 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([213.162.68.47]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx102 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LjuR3-1cJYno0rmL-00bq0E; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 09:01:13 +0100 Message-ID: <58D380BE.5050107@gmx.at> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 09:01:02 +0100 From: martin rudalics MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:XUfRvUPIY/s6JauAdaJLjbcvyso96u8dyOkygsImQPxhmPewp5B c4xEsDdalfwkCyk13MFLNbs9f/G0r0k5O6vo3YqcB74OPBC353iU5A1oEq1H1UZymOdgwH+ FsV3arv6UuV7pfbhTx0XkKHPn6XUUc3WDjUnOACZCOMwCdV0UtA5jGjZd1eat5F3SyjF/aY P4ZX8ZFq2wXbtEP2otaJQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:NWstgcg/t8s=:7CLitXSv5Erqz/sCMyVu94 Re8dh7EKsfvUj5CZJJVBc1r0SlANXwQkasmXOKQ7jIuUbTm529q9xX7FSDFefscKyliBMGzGa 5fYRhGC+YLZy5BH/llpi4JDW2WizWLp3hWz0QhDk4Gyk/fiz1W4vhVH4t+QxMMtRcHPT5Xo8/ GdXfffW+yJOeGWaReaL5Q/RYo2cQQ2Rep/jjXDRljMZbkbrqEQwje+7+c1zkOB/u6u5dJLoaA uinC0uTqQ13S6D27Caen/dRsxJ3XwoKqz7oEtsRbk3HQ7KVoS5TqoxV4KagwRX/7g/cxq0Ie1 nxW4rMx1EABkvTFn0HCtAgHofe7yq/dlhV4IqnMOqClghjqpO0pdSAGUI7MlG4fJna5lsVuP2 HUkjEIKLwE9L1WyoDQdCNCcsH6jqHz0DbZSX9PID5ma1VpZCYS/hQmJHLDX1euhRid47Hes7Y 0sgS/PnUAmwIG+YHGnARi5/l8K0tYNuOXIhXs/tPYt0aA81pqarxRIVhuyUlOvaCCmGN31/vp MmmEZlmNlTINSYI68aBBvpwdF4FYyBukjSuL5EJFw4WgfojNMIOmtLpgvK5hLbAlPZMXRCTaB YlYFJHBQ4MxyGeyFgrVOR02QJ8cV4Xg/NxiazfR1kFjMtqfEqsuQ3U0HVC5oeBw0mItJZoOXa TkTJ63YKfW/xO9ETg3Yom35yQpVMYzySmvfwtKpPNGb81kqcqvoQ9L2FJqrZLNBz4FGLe6vV9 58jdbVm/mMlqX4Ovp9AxWwiaWpEXWTPIx1FPA19eGW0l4Qwpz/RYRPPo5CwxBL5VdCsNL2tkk Lp+foIHdUnfnp3a622+HLHe4YIQqw== X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > I'd like to suggest removing support for the Motif toolkit. > > Motivation: > Supporting more toolkits (gtk2, gtk3, lucid, motif, none) makes it > harder to develop relevant low-level features. I can't recall a case where supporting Motif, Lucid or "none" would have possibly hindered anyone to fix one of the well known bugs with GTK/GDK, Cairo and friends. OTOH, I often use Motif, Lucid and "none" to simply verify that an arbitrary feature just works or used to work and it's only the GTK or Cairo builds which break it. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > I'd like to suggest removing support for the Motif toolkit. > > Motivation: > Supporting more toolkits (gtk2, gtk3, lucid, motif, none) makes it > harder to develop relevant low-level features. I can't recall a case where supporting Motif, Lucid or "none" would have possibly hindered anyone to fix one of the well known bugs with GTK/GDK, Cairo and friends. OTOH, I often use Motif, Lucid and "none" to simply verify that an arbitrary feature just works or used to work and it's only the GTK or Cairo builds which break it. 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I can't recall a case where supporting Motif, Lucid or "none" would have possibly hindered anyone to fix one of the well known bugs with GTK/GDK, Cairo and friends. OTOH, I often use Motif, Lucid and "none" to simply verify that an arbitrary feature just works or used to work and it's only the GTK or Cairo builds which break it. So I'm voting against your suggestion. martin From unknown Sat Sep 20 22:52:44 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#26180: Remove motif toolkit support Resent-From: Dmitry Gutov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 08:08:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 26180 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: martin rudalics , Glenn Morris , 26180@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 26180-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B26180.149025646611350 (code B ref 26180); Thu, 23 Mar 2017 08:08:01 +0000 Received: (at 26180) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Mar 2017 08:07:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40104 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cqxmc-0002x0-6Z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 04:07:46 -0400 Received: from mail-wm0-f68.google.com ([74.125.82.68]:34651) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cqxma-0002wm-0I for 26180@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 04:07:44 -0400 Received: by mail-wm0-f68.google.com with SMTP id u132so14821379wmg.1 for <26180@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 01:07:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=VIczaHpk3hKeq61GrSzQ1FrAzi9WDM7hbFPsXT5jsUw=; b=p//awzAf7N8iyv62hUrfglAPXASGyy8Kg+Xp4ftNB1r54BkxjdT716ijI+rpbZbcs1 joL9I5JJC9uiJnvcy0mFEzfvc6SqMi5tcXJeSKNcGnL9LaF2eFGmiZD+sPFle94xVqdD IQL2KxFgHlMNA9Qtd7KRmaBwfs1WYiXrMJx2qxyBWonpS3LVJVTfuTK9YLqz/uRt1Z95 91izK0z9NnPAgh2mpXfKoV09wYOU1dzKnMl3Ei/B8ssTunYoRGkB0S/OTOX3YLCqHDXU X9ZEQZXg7qz8c5Iv3mobiop41WWdCGMdtdVqTZN4SQ/G9LQwB6zyPKlXipjB4t0Z4cmL 2hXA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:to:references:from:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=VIczaHpk3hKeq61GrSzQ1FrAzi9WDM7hbFPsXT5jsUw=; b=r6waDHIvvTsb1PxuDiz+o3LE9IKwwRWpEBmT5i5vNoyY1UlzkXTVsnF5TLr+GjVWRx ZozG1Uxs/V16Jl8qXcgbFEHFNZ6kGaTHFwn7pYakaKIvvFhsrlvdC2HKtVjKOGq6hdlp QOFdJ+hJcWSp7LfilEWdD4kSL4iHzD37oGgHrikEZ10kVCjUE9tbnP6U0GkIhW+b3MlH tUSlBynkB7DSDA4vPXtoIaxRcLB0n6QYYh0PF4nsYh1Hc6p6CnEvX12mowGK8Ry51QXW /SIUsSAl9o0anhzQ8xrBRMTEpMtxi1h9pCeC7fF2Cr3zf/mnoC/9uj3a7gZd/RNXnm3a GsOQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H1ccBTe1ygWwZkKhsAKiZIJXJRtk5JTZjLLiBsXyAw7BKF22rlm5ivZNZGZh9ERPg== X-Received: by 10.28.87.6 with SMTP id l6mr1398091wmb.109.1490256458105; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 01:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([185.105.173.156]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id q12sm3338537wmd.8.2017.03.23.01.07.36 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 23 Mar 2017 01:07:37 -0700 (PDT) References: <58D380BE.5050107@gmx.at> From: Dmitry Gutov Message-ID: <71b46c9e-b1e1-416f-2d00-a86516628a5e@yandex.ru> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 10:07:35 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <58D380BE.5050107@gmx.at> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) On 23.03.2017 10:01, martin rudalics wrote: > OTOH, I often use Motif, Lucid and "none" > to simply verify that an arbitrary feature just works or used to work > and it's only the GTK or Cairo builds which break it. If Motif were removed, you'd still have Lucid and "none" to test against, wouldn't you? 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > If Motif were removed, you'd still have Lucid and "none" to test > against, wouldn't you? As a matter of fact, the only person affected by such a change in the positive sense could be me: I'd have one build less to care about. Still, it's sometimes reassuring when both Lucid and Motif handle a strange case the same way. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > If Motif were removed, you'd still have Lucid and "none" to test > against, wouldn't you? As a matter of fact, the only person affected by such a change in the positive sense could be me: I'd have one build less to care about. Still, it's sometimes reassuring when both Lucid and Motif handle a strange case the same way. 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Still, it's sometimes reassuring when both Lucid and Motif handle a strange case the same way. martin From unknown Sat Sep 20 22:52:44 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#26180: Remove motif toolkit support Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2017 20:50:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 26180 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: martin rudalics Cc: 26180@debbugs.gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov Received: via spool by 26180-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B26180.14912525786598 (code B ref 26180); Mon, 03 Apr 2017 20:50:01 +0000 Received: (at 26180) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Apr 2017 20:49:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59497 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cv8uv-0001iL-St for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Apr 2017 16:49:38 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:40953) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cv8uu-0001i9-N8 for 26180@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Apr 2017 16:49:37 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cv8uo-0007TJ-T7 for 26180@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Apr 2017 16:49:31 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:55213) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cv8ui-0007QN-Oj; Mon, 03 Apr 2017 16:49:24 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1cv8uh-0007B4-3F; Mon, 03 Apr 2017 16:49:23 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: <58D380BE.5050107@gmx.at> <71b46c9e-b1e1-416f-2d00-a86516628a5e@yandex.ru> <58D38425.4060803@gmx.at> X-Spook: constitution Commecen Kosovo Resistant Hostage MILSATCOM X-Ran: ZI (martin rudalics's message of "Thu, 23 Mar 2017 09:15:33 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) martin rudalics wrote: > As a matter of fact, the only person affected by such a change in the > positive sense could be me: I'd have one build less to care about. If you are really saying that only you would benefit from this simplification (?), then I disagree with you. > Still, it's sometimes reassuring when both Lucid and Motif handle a > strange case the same way. If this is the best (so far the only?) reason to keep Motif, then it's pretty weak, IMO. From unknown Sat Sep 20 22:52:44 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#26180: Remove motif toolkit support Resent-From: martin rudalics Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2017 07:27:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 26180 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 26180@debbugs.gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov Received: via spool by 26180-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B26180.14912907928033 (code B ref 26180); Tue, 04 Apr 2017 07:27:03 +0000 Received: (at 26180) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Apr 2017 07:26:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59752 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cvIrI-00025V-6y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Apr 2017 03:26:32 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]:57851) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cvIrF-000255-Q0 for 26180@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Apr 2017 03:26:30 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([213.162.68.81]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LhOSG-1cHtVO2B6W-00maGH; Tue, 04 Apr 2017 09:26:22 +0200 Message-ID: <58E34A96.6000504@gmx.at> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2017 09:26:14 +0200 From: martin rudalics MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <58D380BE.5050107@gmx.at> <71b46c9e-b1e1-416f-2d00-a86516628a5e@yandex.ru> <58D38425.4060803@gmx.at> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:mVjzHoNJv1cfhlqyKY5EeiS1zOPK2JXJudR64Nt/E1yL+pyKw+H frsI5T8ttG1bO6pDRSjhXCNghCnwgpEqds0H6A691unWpFkfHuNOBzx/B563YCa+Wi+myPQ hMCoc82zghh/r7vCXVpbPr4t4GUGvFqsleKCY1pxuB6B/hbrzVymZXfi3iXIcc4ArTcRGik jWhRNPLrtSTiw6iXCP7Aw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:M0VhnKFWNhU=:lqF/uVR8plkMkNLkAoptA9 wFS/znwFWtEKgeXdCQjrnXneCoaFlg0XzTnJIlvjWonzjF9XLdRER47mnUlyFGZBoVQ+OjOZp Nvaij1ErjefaSGij7KFBl9RQegvI7nLesUNB7M1+lbaT7Le9IRxgXPfRZK9O7gJScUUQwCGIG qHUcFIVPc6bDnp0NyEmCxdShmROs6OCvDoZEO5vLJ5wgylKm6uAcCfp37E2scrZGYus5Q3dya th6+jfDrwS4fYWHmKfDIFxgYVGhwNBXnnzBuHYSHmRIEpvJkwDPPkxrTSoK41cNYSqsFm+BXB dGQHhgxOI/a4ZDjF7VPsexbnt5aIOpl2AFlt3BMu1TYURzDyQ9apANlGMrUVrCpRZjAMER8g9 zo4ZQHBlNbQMIWx+XGpwSIlrRq7ZpkKkBlCG3fqqvh7ZZKB/HkisAfE/e1zMhKu9gqug7E28I J9IGhNuP0ww1HRxAQdwi88lWPsYTE5F7jCiqtHyiEC7HOirobFiv7y2zSgUl+n7u4twOC+N4s fNxQQv9JVlkpP0By+Kr6JeK9BrWqIGOVbjyr3EsDTroU9ufbzTlwVHH2Tf80RA4L/zYm+8Ae3 FEKn878YApSpesHcf9VFrSav0yTb/A9uSAHIrkBesxJHzMvBO4WtqRj58U6Nk/x1YAjisEeAL 1JdPKQu595RccnpnhCITS3dIdU+iTqzJLhs0EJfdC3LIuhLwFo1D539qA51Uw4He+KdoRD+hs nXJMx1Fu72fNvRRcAYuGTZ2YaxZUOasSozKUsgrCC5Ljfiuj7ACRsDSEfiQ7VYP7RXEnAPyOu gKfF5Eyj8c5YFZ9cExatBME7zO+GK5Uev6J1E2FSIRGbCeOay/FH4EGCvbeikVmX3MhDU8AX4 NahCdLfJ1C+VH8Wsfv6h1jRlA5JyPcFxHORCzSSQTyAt4mvNR3d58JieXG/urnYsvMQUZof0o 5jinXPz1xBjzDyQy9i4U6LPZYrcMgOOxtmoWd0JaHmStcenURpsjJ X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) >> As a matter of fact, the only person affected by such a change in the >> positive sense could be me: I'd have one build less to care about. > > If you are really saying that only you would benefit from this > simplification (?), then I disagree with you. Can you tell me where Motif support is hindering progress in any other area? >> Still, it's sometimes reassuring when both Lucid and Motif handle a >> strange case the same way. > > If this is the best (so far the only?) reason to keep Motif, > then it's pretty weak, IMO. If it's our aim to reduce the number of bug reports, the best solution would be to remove GTK support and make the Motif build the default one. I still don't get it why you so fervidly want to remove sane and stable branches from the Emacs tree. Spring-cleaning? martin From unknown Sat Sep 20 22:52:44 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#26180: Remove motif toolkit support Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 09:31:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 26180 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 26180@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 26180-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B26180.161320861418259 (code B ref 26180); Sat, 13 Feb 2021 09:31:01 +0000 Received: (at 26180) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2021 09:30:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33553 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lArFl-0004kR-R8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 04:30:14 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:49864) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lArFi-0004j8-5Y for 26180@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 04:30:12 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:45951) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lArFb-00043q-RR for 26180@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 04:30:03 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lArFU-0000Ze-Bh; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 04:29:58 -0500 From: Glenn Morris References: X-Spook: EUB Biological espionage Psyops DRM DEADBEEF clones CUD X-Ran: A-3H7_*5sXSI-^{|275yN+#D4{7b=2r@tt?@IZ9j2Y[]fc>U.6Ah9}.Wv0$6]gFrm2.e:r X-Hue: brightgreen X-Attribution: GM Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 04:29:56 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:14:31 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) 4 years later, some progress in db23785. From unknown Sat Sep 20 22:52:44 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#26180: Remove motif toolkit support Resent-From: Robert Pluim Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 12:56:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 26180 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 26180@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 26180-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B26180.161330734228733 (code B ref 26180); Sun, 14 Feb 2021 12:56:01 +0000 Received: (at 26180) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Feb 2021 12:55:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35560 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lBGw9-0007TN-Lr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Feb 2021 07:55:41 -0500 Received: from mail-wm1-f53.google.com ([209.85.128.53]:36754) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lBGw6-0007T7-Rq for 26180@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Feb 2021 07:55:40 -0500 Received: by mail-wm1-f53.google.com with SMTP id h67so432692wmh.1 for <26180@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 14 Feb 2021 04:55:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KgbwW+QkZc6+QQhy8a16gT8G3IRx9LTQDEeW8yF79Eg=; b=YmYXAHiSzMQUhEjyizG8rnUDgvm0yQ/JUxz4gANIe8nijYkNDFDAF1pV0PnUTxCS3R SegLSsNq3cKurA6tyDQJ12OAVCtdYWg9PR/BgxFF0oHMhjv4cvh3vh/PSfFMrxfG6teZ hSHtzqsjMcQVm9ThBByOWRfCQO4y9KE1p6p2ZXZMfB97xWstu6fD2jm55YpikK1Hex29 g59Gn0ey+wEDNj6Go66KfTmmjPLRGnuhP+SCAfH0H/Jpa+uXHOltyS2PjVW+I4vHwwAj GNjee4C0lF690LBbkVDn79w24inBtnMb84cbujfvzDaZzkOEQTwOwHz7cZNwnGex+gvh JFPQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KgbwW+QkZc6+QQhy8a16gT8G3IRx9LTQDEeW8yF79Eg=; b=Llv94dJS/ZMHjuCkGk1xY7CCHqPkMnE0eGf38Xnh4hvI6cEM31UrWHfD+jvu94GTdr bk9qQZmhgIfJ88pqNrpGZQ1kTeLznQ+E2Y6aoN6kHvgbEz2L0MBfkV1ngqqdVwDGRges pXKwY2jh4ZiWDI87AQ491fSYbxUQew7Ycqjq9TG1XnXfq0GGI/aO5VaD+mNchFEFl57m uCgVe0NmQW6Spfb88s0635K/dZmSEKUY9Fe4cX4leiO6DNPGk01nZ0YaCEupnxoSTXcm rzvUn+mK4e8vxFmiCnixq1AB7V0GvlDJC4EVRBC+t/Srl0p4jx4cXK9v8O4/YO7eb5nG xMnA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533H2b7ohDqQYifJ0uzEiDgxARS5QjoNMhtGVBxmDrDvbQyI7NLg Y9qXZUw5eKt2tzr/GhGf+yLaNwDamiJhmA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy6LNtom3UxgChPTfJlK/P6Xv/14aV4QgdSFfAO1ASOpS8rqTH0sKxQFveZ2sWAFhQrjeRM6A== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:25c2:: with SMTP id l185mr10040213wml.62.1613307332587; Sun, 14 Feb 2021 04:55:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from rltb ([2a01:e34:ecfc:a861:69b6:6aaf:dbd3:8964]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x18sm434906wro.66.2021.02.14.04.55.31 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 14 Feb 2021 04:55:32 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Pluim References: Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 13:55:31 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Sat, 13 Feb 2021 04:29:56 -0500") Message-ID: <877dnavmf0.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> On Sat, 13 Feb 2021 04:29:56 -0500, Glenn Morris said: Glenn> 4 years later, some progress in db23785. I do appear to have poked the hornets' nest there. One other reason to remove motif: the lwlib library needs rebuilding if you switch from lucid to motif or back, and our build system doesn=CA=BCt know that, so I ended up having to clean manually. Robert From unknown Sat Sep 20 22:52:44 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#26180: Remove motif toolkit support Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 13:33:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 26180 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Robert Pluim Cc: Glenn Morris , 26180@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 26180-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B26180.161330955732221 (code B ref 26180); Sun, 14 Feb 2021 13:33:01 +0000 Received: (at 26180) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Feb 2021 13:32:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35586 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lBHVs-0008Nd-OP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Feb 2021 08:32:37 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:59104) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lBHVq-0008NP-UT for 26180@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Feb 2021 08:32:35 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=oKnMlRF179eI7laayt8D5rSVQE0uHh6w5x631Oq5uH0=; b=S4sngtmQitHGOv32DcLMvNWfvG 5zFTyLmiQYK4xZLWtGWM6xcE15BGlG+NwE9NpIJOzNveAwfLNwyhR3B1jKonOpv57UFYC3xMUOQD6 8OTA18gZfvm6eaJ3fZlo8huobUPpEEP/PjSdDySjjuMAODpFVSa8qUstc5WpdommvDo0=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lBHVe-0007UP-Mp; Sun, 14 Feb 2021 14:32:28 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <877dnavmf0.fsf@gmail.com> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAD1BMVEVONSCYbDjGnVzo w4/////FvwTCAAAAAWJLR0QEj2jZUQAAAAd0SU1FB+UCDg0XOUIcmw8AAAGiSURBVDjLZVSJccQw CASnAcE1YFADkdx/b1nQY/viyUQMK2BZ0BEVFilMhEP8VJ8ficE2YOkylfmR93pdHS4cMD4Bi7CQ WlzMv4ywvM8WuWl+UWwYhcKJC2XW6CNVFk+EVvG2WF0ZiWoohdo3kBGUxYNVUgijXkR3aUWkScao b/dgER0E40E1RJH4N5gISnvP2xytzVtxSWcNlkhbdjWU0Wt3KshII1sWG3cKF9YQcZCRHc1O2Yav CBoG1xp9X2e1slOFVa/0A0gKyZ6Q9cCcEmg+IrIn/6UDU+w5wAkEf5JPCaB5qzHx1YiTSzuq1waF VA6jHQFJDzuPBrsaPwDSzn6yCYosgHJ9xFhDEhCzpUTSdWG3GFMFUGjTZTlZ4wAVWxotEcVKyvDw L9Ei12MgW3Z9eOfsbxYPQNdewXwBsVvLLnu1ie9NjLXiaRWI/QAADQFZ2N8A1MzHIpD6DaDgSXvZ b+Do8RTjNX4BKrnNRnn4TVJyIR/HluENLPY8gTzs1gp+15kcB5jrouTz/X/R/fF/3+oaSSLRNyDx o2Mx9o39AQbITJimC/42AAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOmNyZWF0ZQAyMDIxLTAyLTE0VDEzOjIzOjU2KzAw OjAwhDk3IwAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2RpZnkAMjAyMS0wMi0xNFQxMzoyMzo1NiswMDowMPVkj58A AAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Bob Dylan's _Blonde On Blonde_: "Obviously 5 Believers" Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 14:32:21 +0100 In-Reply-To: <877dnavmf0.fsf@gmail.com> (Robert Pluim's message of "Sun, 14 Feb 2021 13:55:31 +0100") Message-ID: <87tuqeepwa.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Robert Pluim writes: >>>>>> On Sat, 13 Feb 2021 04:29:56 -0500, Glenn Morris said: > > Glenn> 4 years later, some progress in db23785. > > I do appear to have poked the hornets' nest there. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Robert Pluim writes: >>>>>> On Sat, 13 Feb 2021 04:29:56 -0500, Glenn Morris said: > > Glenn> 4 years later, some progress in db23785. > > I do appear to have poked the hornets' nest there. Have there been any protests yet? :-) -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Sat Sep 20 22:52:44 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#26180: Remove motif toolkit support Resent-From: Robert Pluim Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 13:38:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 26180 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: Glenn Morris , 26180@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 26180-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B26180.161330986532724 (code B ref 26180); Sun, 14 Feb 2021 13:38:02 +0000 Received: (at 26180) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Feb 2021 13:37:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35596 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lBHaq-0008Vk-M6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Feb 2021 08:37:44 -0500 Received: from mail-wm1-f46.google.com ([209.85.128.46]:52779) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lBHao-0008VW-4U for 26180@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Feb 2021 08:37:42 -0500 Received: by mail-wm1-f46.google.com with SMTP id l17so3863045wmq.2 for <26180@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 14 Feb 2021 05:37:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=flJ5iK13ryZmUi3gL6dUM7z5aIu8au1NTc6yF+tL0rQ=; b=r32HxujKO/9UkUaV4/veAyi4+j1SR/vJ2g3alcs8kJXaO0LhS6TBDJob0WpDJtQ/It rwwBdj2W5/lUEyt1tKx+OVSELGWQYRzfkj/lRI6CpjLKX7SUhyl4Y+7DsGKCMH5xWMEa uN+Nhps4yYSBLc5SDv1Fx02NXJhFUAspfAzl5jGbXhI8TUsl5Xj8d36tcJlB+7VmCZde qV17JB9sOve+EwrZPd+f9J+ShQMYFkrnKwb3v4jAoThY70OTkKsbtCzgiYFhGqbQRMme HUytcA+FgSOkTK6gcXZZhkkVadfh3R6flED+SYHnl1jyj/u1OnrmTiMpF+srmFHzF3xh 445g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=flJ5iK13ryZmUi3gL6dUM7z5aIu8au1NTc6yF+tL0rQ=; b=RLr78yJDHcdKTNHfK7m0UCio+05qd/TX5rOw5VcjsfSaU3R19E/4pRSzbB3PooDoNM MjIOMmQZrNGxu9Anfj32f0zNNi7q5DLe93UrBbn5KFt13lW/swlQxNmvTzDLDlgRBySZ 7C+W9vbkiMbdrSkcHEB/QPPgLpdzWPLQfHgVRPJQYykz5lovha3Qc1NVQI2T8EK/Uf0+ VliFmBScDJXDqJB19AoGuf5Ub+h8f0c4IwdKTBgf03x28OeRQ7/P4ADxcROfGgdZ/X0z M0AcpZ/5PtA0Q0CdTYl+BDohfMtGQxdKNamn5ZX8FKA4Mpt70FKMJyIA4WLpVd+c168N jR8w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532soWdQQ/khhoxeQvAv9cMCW8U7IQqDjXLi7GlU/BV9VwxYwRCN 94TdMcPTs8SRqbuxSyFtvoUruZvFKNrVCg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwmuQe/H6I8RjCK7G8dd38TrSIzylWl2J5+Jr8v9SCz8WaS2YzL+eROpckz9o9GR3bOMFYdTw== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:678b:: with SMTP id b133mr6187568wmc.163.1613309855747; Sun, 14 Feb 2021 05:37:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from rltb ([2a01:e34:ecfc:a861:69b6:6aaf:dbd3:8964]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k1sm13551231wrx.77.2021.02.14.05.37.35 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 14 Feb 2021 05:37:35 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Pluim References: <877dnavmf0.fsf@gmail.com> <87tuqeepwa.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 14:37:34 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87tuqeepwa.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 14 Feb 2021 14:32:21 +0100") Message-ID: <87zh06u5wh.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 14:32:21 +0100, Lars Ingebrigtsen said: Lars> Robert Pluim writes: >>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Feb 2021 04:29:56 -0500, Glenn Morris = said: >>=20 Glenn> 4 years later, some progress in db23785. >>=20 >> I do appear to have poked the hornets' nest there. Lars> Have there been any protests yet? :-) Not virulent ones. The one argument I=CA=BCve seen advanced that might carry some weight is that CDE uses Motif, and forcing emacs under CDE to use Lucid would make it look less integrated. I have no idea how popular CDE is, though. Robert From unknown Sat Sep 20 22:52:44 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#26180: Remove motif toolkit support Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 13:46:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 26180 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Robert Pluim Cc: Glenn Morris , 26180@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 26180-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B26180.16133103161016 (code B ref 26180); Sun, 14 Feb 2021 13:46:02 +0000 Received: (at 26180) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Feb 2021 13:45:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35605 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lBHi7-0000GK-Pe for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Feb 2021 08:45:16 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:59250) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lBHi6-0000G5-Kf for 26180@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Feb 2021 08:45:15 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID :In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=PW/7QD63/c+eOlq9n6jus7PCGUXmaQzyPzPTjkY2xUw=; b=C4KN6U9FlN55BdIAgCcACxhHP1 X6saXSmZUwObIPnUHvLhBTnQ6yfO/9J5r6eRJaGjBaDTyjkqOkAPmg/bRjPtwCmW9DNHXc3lkVS7Z PKvT/ftcwKKXLIOA/YkMs8EdI9QFlStwGHpNh+2w5d00y9a8OBcGRGL/J8swLisos4FA=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lBHhx-0007kf-MT; Sun, 14 Feb 2021 14:45:08 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <877dnavmf0.fsf@gmail.com> <87tuqeepwa.fsf@gnus.org> <87zh06u5wh.fsf@gmail.com> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAD1BMVEVONSCYbDjGnVzo w4/////FvwTCAAAAAWJLR0QEj2jZUQAAAAd0SU1FB+UCDg0XOUIcmw8AAAGiSURBVDjLZVSJccQw CASnAcE1YFADkdx/b1nQY/viyUQMK2BZ0BEVFilMhEP8VJ8ficE2YOkylfmR93pdHS4cMD4Bi7CQ WlzMv4ywvM8WuWl+UWwYhcKJC2XW6CNVFk+EVvG2WF0ZiWoohdo3kBGUxYNVUgijXkR3aUWkScao b/dgER0E40E1RJH4N5gISnvP2xytzVtxSWcNlkhbdjWU0Wt3KshII1sWG3cKF9YQcZCRHc1O2Yav CBoG1xp9X2e1slOFVa/0A0gKyZ6Q9cCcEmg+IrIn/6UDU+w5wAkEf5JPCaB5qzHx1YiTSzuq1waF VA6jHQFJDzuPBrsaPwDSzn6yCYosgHJ9xFhDEhCzpUTSdWG3GFMFUGjTZTlZ4wAVWxotEcVKyvDw L9Ei12MgW3Z9eOfsbxYPQNdewXwBsVvLLnu1ie9NjLXiaRWI/QAADQFZ2N8A1MzHIpD6DaDgSXvZ b+Do8RTjNX4BKrnNRnn4TVJyIR/HluENLPY8gTzs1gp+15kcB5jrouTz/X/R/fF/3+oaSSLRNyDx o2Mx9o39AQbITJimC/42AAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOmNyZWF0ZQAyMDIxLTAyLTE0VDEzOjIzOjU2KzAw OjAwhDk3IwAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2RpZnkAMjAyMS0wMi0xNFQxMzoyMzo1NiswMDowMPVkj58A AAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Bob Dylan's _Blonde On Blonde_: "Sad Eyed Lady Of The Lowlands" Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 14:45:04 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87zh06u5wh.fsf@gmail.com> (Robert Pluim's message of "Sun, 14 Feb 2021 14:37:34 +0100") Message-ID: <87pn12epb3.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Robert Pluim writes: > Not virulent ones. The one argument =?UTF-8?Q?I=CA=BCve?= seen advanced that might > carry some weight is that CDE uses Motif, and forcing emacs under CDE > to use Lucid would make it look less integrated. I have n [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Robert Pluim writes: > Not virulent ones. The one argument I=CA=BCve seen advanced that might > carry some weight is that CDE uses Motif, and forcing emacs under CDE > to use Lucid would make it look less integrated. I have no idea how > popular CDE is, though. >From the bug report analysis, it doesn't seem very popular. And even people under CDE have the option of using other toolkits, I believe. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > One other reason to remove motif: the lwlib library needs rebuilding > if you switch from lucid to motif or back, ... not if you build out of tree ... > and our build system > =?UTF-8?Q?doesn=CA=BCt?= know that, so I ended up having to clean manually. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > One other reason to remove motif: the lwlib library needs rebuilding > if you switch from lucid to motif or back, ... not if you build out of tree ... > and our build system > =?UTF-8?Q?doesn=CA=BCt?= know that, so I ended up having to clean manually. 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Tue, 8 Feb 2022 06:51:53 +0000 Received: by kubenode509.mail-prod1.omega.sg3.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID ec8942c41911e4ad54117fed1173bdf0; Tue, 08 Feb 2022 06:51:47 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu To: Glenn Morris Subject: Re: bug#26180: Remove motif toolkit support References: Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2022 14:51:39 +0800 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:14:31 -0400") Message-ID: <87h799df5w.fsf@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.19711 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 736 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 26180-done Cc: 26180-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Glenn Morris writes: > Package: emacs > Version: 25.2 > Severity: wishlist We agreed to keep Motif support in a discussion last December, so I'm closing this bug. I agree with Martin in that there isn't a single concrete case where Motif interferes with the development of a feature. Most of the important code is shared with the Lucid/Athena build, since both toolkits use Xt, and the toolkit that causes us difficulties is typically GTK 3. For instance, it's the only toolkit that has to be special-cased for frame resize synchronization, since it doesn't behave well when it doesn't know about the basic frame counter, while the development of that feature went smoothly on every other build we currently support. ------------=_1644303182-22417-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Mar 2017 23:14:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35626 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cpk22-00024j-Ih for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:14:38 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:58643) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cpk22-00024W-2T for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:14:38 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cpk1w-0006Fx-9a for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:14:33 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:51940) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cpk1w-0006Ft-6J for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:14:32 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1cpk1v-0005YU-Pb; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:14:31 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: submit@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Remove motif toolkit support X-Spook: Chobetsu mailbomb Ansar al-Islam SEAL Team 6 computer X-Ran: l:3ftM|FlB\%$c&2"1)[vh~F\Ei-,_G+sZ(3{{3D;")".coOr|Z#Z8k1fOOZ:W;syf0>Ae X-Hue: red X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:14:31 -0400 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Package: emacs Version: 25.2 Severity: wishlist I'd like to suggest removing support for the Motif toolkit. Motivation: Supporting more toolkits (gtk2, gtk3, lucid, motif, none) makes it harder to develop relevant low-level features. The Motif toolkit build of Emacs seems to be very little used: - Fedora packages just a Gtk version - Debian packages Gtk and Lucid - Only ~20 mentions of "motif" on bug-gnu-emacs, ever. Most are just comparison testing (I see https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GNU_Emacs mentions it, but my suspicion is that this is just an attempt at completeness when listing alternatives to Gtk. Since it's listed first, I wonder if this has caused more people to use it than otherwise would. All just speculation on my part.) (The "none" toolkit is also never used in practice, but I understand it may be useful as a base/reference.) ------------=_1644303182-22417-1--