From unknown Sun Sep 21 02:49:49 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#26179: Remove antinews Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 23:15:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 26179 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 26179@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: submit@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.14899652427928 (code B ref -1); Sun, 19 Mar 2017 23:15:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Mar 2017 23:14:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35623 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cpk1S-00023o-At for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:14:02 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:58580) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cpk1Q-00023B-4v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:14:00 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cpk1K-0006CE-2R for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:13:54 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:51939) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cpk1J-0006C8-VJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:13:53 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1cpk1J-0005Xh-E7; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:13:53 -0400 From: Glenn Morris X-Spook: Croatian New Federation Delays assassination Keylogger X-Ran: {U}?q_}xRf`),A*8`5d"p_8:R{:}CtG._o@{}}64IQ[W;wA"EJ+[<*@%Lnhp=?o?VR\{xM X-Hue: green X-Attribution: GM Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:13:53 -0400 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Package: emacs Version: 25.2 Severity: wishlist Antinews is a cute idea, but IMO once you've appreciated the joke, that's it and you never think about it again. Since there aren't enough people to maintain the non-comedy aspects of Emacs documentation, I would like to see antinews removed, so that we can spend the (admittedly tiny) time saving on other areas. As it stands I view it as yet another item on the release checklist, which is already so long that more important things (IMO) get dropped. From unknown Sun Sep 21 02:49:49 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#26179: Remove antinews Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 18:42:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 26179 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 26179@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 26179-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B26179.149003529126717 (code B ref 26179); Mon, 20 Mar 2017 18:42:01 +0000 Received: (at 26179) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Mar 2017 18:41:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36647 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cq2FG-0006wr-VW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:41:31 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51686) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cq2FF-0006we-Si for 26179@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:41:30 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cq2F8-0005Mb-8a for 26179@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:41:24 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:37860) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cq2F8-0005MT-5j for 26179@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:41:22 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1334 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1cq2F6-0001Ue-TM; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:41:21 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 20:41:06 +0200 Message-Id: <83inn3x03h.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: (message from Glenn Morris on Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:13:53 -0400) References: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Glenn Morris > Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:13:53 -0400 > > Antinews is a cute idea, but IMO once you've appreciated the joke, > that's it and you never think about it again. > > Since there aren't enough people to maintain the non-comedy aspects of > Emacs documentation, I would like to see antinews removed, so that we > can spend the (admittedly tiny) time saving on other areas. To keep this in proper perspective, I'd like to remind that Antinews is written only for major releases. From unknown Sun Sep 21 02:49:49 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#26179: Remove antinews Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 20:38:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 26179 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 26179@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 26179-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B26179.14900422445593 (code B ref 26179); Mon, 20 Mar 2017 20:38:01 +0000 Received: (at 26179) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Mar 2017 20:37:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36767 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cq43Q-0001S9-Je for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 16:37:24 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56203) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cq43O-0001Rw-OU for 26179@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 16:37:23 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cq43I-00032P-NR for 26179@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 16:37:17 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:39536) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cq43I-00032H-Ko for 26179@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 16:37:16 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1cq43H-0002cl-Rh; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 16:37:15 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman In-reply-to: (message from Glenn Morris on Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:13:53 -0400) References: Message-Id: Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 16:37:15 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] The antinews serves a serious purpose: it explains to those using an older Emacs version with a newer version of the manual how their version will differ from the manual. Doing it in a comedic way is more fun and doesn't make it more work. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. 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[76.234.69.149]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j62sm10339521pgc.54.2017.03.28.22.13.57 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 28 Mar 2017 22:13:57 -0700 (PDT) From: John Wiegley X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 7134333515A5; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 22:14:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:13:53 -0400") Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 22:07:51 -0700 Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Gnus/5.130016 (Ma Gnus v0.16) Emacs/25.2 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) >>>>> "GM" == Glenn Morris writes: GM> Since there aren't enough people to maintain the non-comedy aspects of GM> Emacs documentation, I would like to see antinews removed, so that we can GM> spend the (admittedly tiny) time saving on other areas. Taking away one bit of work, in the context of an open source project, does not mean people spend their energy in other, more productive places -- as much as we'd like there to be a Law of Conservation of Volunteer Effort. As long as someone is willing to maintain antinews, it will stick around. It seems that enough people find it useful, that someone (Eli, I presume) has been willing to keep it going. The humor just makes a lonely job more fun. -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2 From unknown Sun Sep 21 02:49:49 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#26179: Remove antinews Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 20:25:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 26179 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: Glenn Morris , 26179@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 26179-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B26179.157246709317353 (code B ref 26179); Wed, 30 Oct 2019 20:25:01 +0000 Received: (at 26179) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Oct 2019 20:24:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51587 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iPuWS-0004Vp-Vd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 16:24:53 -0400 Received: from giraff.fripost.org ([193.234.15.44]:42030 helo=outgoing.fripost.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iPuWQ-0004VZ-SK for 26179@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 16:24:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outgoing.fripost.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AC37187E70A; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 21:24:45 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=x.fripost.org; h= content-type:content-type:mime-version:user-agent:message-id :in-reply-to:date:date:references:subject:subject:from:from; s= 9df9cdc7e101629b5003b587945afa70; t=1572467085; x=1574281486; bh=RR+HThNlezpalu08bwYsg77gUg2soG9aJId/Zikez0M=; b=Hy5CUb4RiV3l QLjQGXej7sgQ3IzrqFUOawvP+z5bSzznyWAE7mGBRkVgfcYK4NnQDtrZXtPTMXb/ VuvW7Uht+SXlALLxASGZGuAQrjGpPrD/AXrkF7iM5iXDg2HXHCkRPdFWO9GO46hb w55CRnMmvvQv48guAZ1ULA7Ju0bPPmWV+f5W3dMQs1jZM3SSLTocXwLNZAPENFjE /mPdV4gvnBlFv3uPCQF4xE9mb8GA1zgakU1NO5u5QNcyj68jqxtvqPBlyu1gfbh8 a9zl/3o8YfLlsW4G8OYrm5X3P9ZmoskLqobnH78ruDNM6daUK+gys6+VK28FcVfY PEEwVthlZg== X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at fripost.org Received: from outgoing.fripost.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (giraff.fripost.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10040) with LMTP id hJ_5CM1E36kR; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 21:24:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp.fripost.org (unknown [172.16.0.6]) by outgoing.fripost.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E9A2187E706; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 21:24:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by smtp.fripost.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1F2D1599EC3E; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 21:24:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from skangas by joffe.skangas.se with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iPuVw-0004PD-Q0; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 21:24:20 +0100 From: Stefan Kangas References: <83inn3x03h.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 21:24:20 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83inn3x03h.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 20 Mar 2017 20:41:06 +0200") Message-ID: <871ruuyoaz.fsf@joffe.skangas.se> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Glenn Morris >> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:13:53 -0400 >> >> Antinews is a cute idea, but IMO once you've appreciated the joke, >> that's it and you never think about it again. >> >> Since there aren't enough people to maintain the non-comedy aspects of >> Emacs documentation, I would like to see antinews removed, so that we >> can spend the (admittedly tiny) time saving on other areas. > > To keep this in proper perspective, I'd like to remind that Antinews > is written only for major releases. It seems like there was no enthusiasm for this proposal at the time; Eli, Richard and John seemed to disagree with it. I suppose that means this is a wontfix? Best regards, Stefan Kangas From unknown Sun Sep 21 02:49:49 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#26179: Remove antinews Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 03:35:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 26179 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Kangas Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 26179@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 26179-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B26179.1572492891818 (code B ref 26179); Thu, 31 Oct 2019 03:35:02 +0000 Received: (at 26179) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Oct 2019 03:34:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52004 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQ1EY-0000D7-FH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 23:34:51 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:46414) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQ1EX-0000Cw-DQ for 26179@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 23:34:49 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:47348) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iQ1EQ-0005tb-SC; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 23:34:43 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2020 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iQ1EN-0005nM-2U; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 23:34:39 -0400 Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 05:34:39 +0200 Message-Id: <83sgn9oaeo.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <871ruuyoaz.fsf@joffe.skangas.se> (message from Stefan Kangas on Wed, 30 Oct 2019 21:24:20 +0100) References: <83inn3x03h.fsf@gnu.org> <871ruuyoaz.fsf@joffe.skangas.se> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Cc: Glenn Morris , 26179@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 21:24:20 +0100 > > > To keep this in proper perspective, I'd like to remind that Antinews > > is written only for major releases. > > It seems like there was no enthusiasm for this proposal at the time; > Eli, Richard and John seemed to disagree with it. > > I suppose that means this is a wontfix? For now, yes. I do hope to see more people making that small effort when we are about to release a major Emacs version, though. From unknown Sun Sep 21 02:49:49 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#26179: Remove antinews Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 02:20:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 26179 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Kangas Cc: eliz@gnu.org, 26179@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 26179-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B26179.157257474917326 (code B ref 26179); Fri, 01 Nov 2019 02:20:01 +0000 Received: (at 26179) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Nov 2019 02:19:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54540 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQMWr-0004VN-Fs for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 22:19:09 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39386) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQMWp-0004VA-G1 for 26179@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 22:19:07 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:37394) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iQMWk-0007vt-16; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 22:19:02 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iQMWi-00043D-Pq; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 22:19:00 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman In-Reply-To: <871ruuyoaz.fsf@joffe.skangas.se> (message from Stefan Kangas on Wed, 30 Oct 2019 21:24:20 +0100) References: <83inn3x03h.fsf@gnu.org> <871ruuyoaz.fsf@joffe.skangas.se> Message-Id: Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 22:19:00 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] The serious purpose of the Antinews section is to help users understand Emacs version N from a manual for Emacs N+1. Suppose you are starting to use version N, which happens to come with your GNU/Linux distro, and you buy latest the Emacs manual, and it happens to be the version for Emacs N+1. The Antinews will show you what is different about version N. If we are going to document this, it takes no more work to do it in a funny way. -- Dr Richard Stallman Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From unknown Sun Sep 21 02:49:49 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#26179: Remove antinews Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 21:57:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 26179 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: stefan@marxist.se Cc: 26179@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 26179-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B26179.15726453716503 (code B ref 26179); Fri, 01 Nov 2019 21:57:02 +0000 Received: (at 26179) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Nov 2019 21:56:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57401 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQetv-0001gn-2l for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 17:56:11 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:37396) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQets-0001gW-9H for 26179@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 17:56:09 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:41338) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iQetm-00080R-O9; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 17:56:02 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iQetg-0007DS-CY; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 17:55:58 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Thu, 31 Oct 2019 22:19:00 -0400) References: <83inn3x03h.fsf@gnu.org> <871ruuyoaz.fsf@joffe.skangas.se> Message-Id: Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 17:55:56 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > The serious purpose of the Antinews section is to help users > understand Emacs version N from a manual for Emacs N+1. For further explanation: That is why Antinews does not give the details of features that were added in version N+1. It says only the feature is not in version N, because that is all you need to know to use version N. And that is only for features worth mentioning. Therefore, the Antinews section is usually not very long. The only time Antinews has much detail is when version N required doing things differently, in a way that the version N+1 manual does not explain. -- Dr Richard Stallman Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From unknown Sun Sep 21 02:49:49 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#26179: Remove antinews Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 11:45:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 26179 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 26179@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 26179-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B26179.157433665316284 (code B ref 26179); Thu, 21 Nov 2019 11:45:02 +0000 Received: (at 26179) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Nov 2019 11:44:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51383 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iXkse-0004EY-Mg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 06:44:12 -0500 Received: from ted.gofardesign.uk ([67.225.143.91]:57714) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iXksc-0004EJ-U0; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 06:44:11 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=c6rkgyz8u10hBjZEaS5VHe+eecZuh+fU/D7+WQNw4dY=; b=pK1bLvhINeT1YF34JlnPdgbkTE Ua0U5CtClpJhjZ20pNSe/BRTUCkrZJfTVNejlWTFyFmWYJlGZR1HI8CdHcjPuOxXRscDs6wzbSNrV 0P595ETld4ijDRCh47rHgy/u4lfj3vWtFIbqrVAhpeVB/duc5nGmIRdqJLxnqDNZP1Rg5Sn+VQNEC WQRk7cQXwT+XCNghgWs7G2IDxAhmCbC/JWIKYWNeDyPfp6jttG00DmJpBZa6oo8v2PYweu9d1ui+f EdQlmoImVxFCkQwBnBRaCI1qfcv62FdNUH0OQVHkoP3m5HRyua57mBlEHVAqQWjal0VrE1klOJBNK y2SQjzzA==; Received: from h-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:38400 helo=localhost) by ted.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iXksX-001pY7-5t; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 06:44:05 -0500 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <83sgn9oaeo.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 31 Oct 2019 05:34:39 +0200") References: <83inn3x03h.fsf@gnu.org> <871ruuyoaz.fsf@joffe.skangas.se> <83sgn9oaeo.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 12:44:03 +0100 Message-ID: <87v9rdlaik.fsf@marxist.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ted.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: ted.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: ted.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) tags 26179 + wontfix close 26179 thanks Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Stefan Kangas >> Cc: Glenn Morris , 26179@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 21:24:20 +0100 >> >> > To keep this in proper perspective, I'd like to remind that Antinews >> > is written only for major releases. >> >> It seems like there was no enthusiasm for this proposal at the time; >> Eli, Richard and John seemed to disagree with it. >> >> I suppose that means this is a wontfix? > > For now, yes. I do hope to see more people making that small effort > when we are about to release a major Emacs version, though. No further comments in three weeks; closed as wontfix. Best regards, Stefan Kangas