From unknown Fri Jun 13 11:25:23 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#26036: tramp (2.2.13.25.1); bug report form is so frustrating Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2017 13:59:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 26036 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Albinus Cc: tramp-devel@gnu.org, 26036@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-Cc: tramp-devel@gnu.org, bug-gnu-emacs Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.148906790526455 (code B ref -1); Thu, 09 Mar 2017 13:59:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Mar 2017 13:58:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47262 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1clyaH-0006sd-CE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 08:58:25 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51467) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1clyaG-0006sR-0v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 08:58:24 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1clya9-0005pG-Mg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 08:58:18 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:44307) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1clya9-0005p8-Jo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 08:58:17 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42431) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1clya8-0004jH-37 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 08:58:17 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1clya4-0005nh-79 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 08:58:16 -0500 Received: from homie.mail.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.208]:34280 helo=homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1clya4-0005nJ-0Z; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 08:58:12 -0500 Received: from homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D193051C08A; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 05:58:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type: content-transfer-encoding; s=jidanni.org; bh=yGYqvFwNhTwTkdDkXDX b8ftjqfE=; b=DfDIKjkgfOwPFxtNAahU0QVSImm8wggy68VC13Mq0MIXdbC84Rd g/M//rPMLPd+8VgeAsVfZCyxQWm/KAXBQ3mJsZocn3Crg1FRBilEHQ1RWaJTeA2J W5/X0JblBIG1jt585HUFXuHiOrF+S494TPREuIdzr2kjZhlzFLDirlsU= Received: from jidanni.org (111-246-96-69.dynamic.hinet.net [111.246.96.69]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 824AB51C063; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 05:58:09 -0800 (PST) From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson References: <8737enkr6y.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2017 21:58:06 +0800 Message-ID: <87ziguv9g1.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.5 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.5 (----) >>>>> "MA" =3D=3D Michael Albinus writes: MA> =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes= : MA> Hi Dan, >> Your bug report form is so frustrating. >>=20 >> At its top is a line (setq tramp-verbose 9) which the user is not >> allowed to put his cursor nearby. MA> At the top of the bug report, the text is shown with the `display' te= xt MA> property. This is because this text shall not be sent with the messag= e. MA> This is a usual technique for bug reports. MA> Best regards, Michael. I'll CC bug-gnu-emacs to tell them that better would just be plain text with the words --text-below-won't-be-sent Bla bla bla --text-above-won't-be-sent 1. it is now clear that the magic region won't be sent. 2. The user can finally copy words on *his* screen (he bought the computer. He ought to be allowed to copy... without needing to try SHIFT etc.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Mar 09 12:25:25 2017 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Mar 2017 17:25:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47958 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cm1oa-0005QL-P1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 12:25:25 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60810) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cm1oZ-0005Q9-Bq for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 12:25:23 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cm1oT-0001Qj-7n for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 12:25:18 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:50830) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cm1oT-0001Qd-5Q for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 12:25:17 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1cm1oS-0001dy-Ln for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 12:25:16 -0500 Subject: control message for bug 26036 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.99.98) Message-Id: From: Glenn Morris Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2017 12:25:16 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) severity 26036 wishlist tag 26036 wontfix From unknown Fri Jun 13 11:25:23 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#26036: tramp (2.2.13.25.1); bug report form is so frustrating Resent-From: Michael Albinus Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2017 18:58:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 26036 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Cc: 26036@debbugs.gnu.org, tramp-devel@gnu.org Received: via spool by 26036-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B26036.14890858343822 (code B ref 26036); Thu, 09 Mar 2017 18:58:02 +0000 Received: (at 26036) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Mar 2017 18:57:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48017 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cm3FS-0000za-EN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 13:57:14 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:57136) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cm3FR-0000zK-4O for 26036@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 13:57:13 -0500 Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([87.146.46.31]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MNHqL-1csOta1epd-006vy7; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 19:57:03 +0100 From: Michael Albinus References: <8737enkr6y.fsf@jidanni.org> <87ziguv9g1.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2017 19:57:01 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87ziguv9g1.fsf@jidanni.org> ("=?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Thu, 09 Mar 2017 21:58:06 +0800") Message-ID: <87zigujn2a.fsf@detlef> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:WWMBR+jZhOJ2o6bOwLD0E25XDqygH6F17WQd80cy3xu9Jrfeq1m HXrgYcsSsJuug+iYl3ZE1Ajmkx4YILzt94DgmVQuCxW28OmSPC715IYLID4zH/w5vLJMuaD sXBlkhHYhN8O4uoxLrrzebOX2hHT0h0aVQwI4usMGSkuUIazxMMlYJ1XP99tokODsAuBG1H 9zzJ7PTTlWUojg5fsHCMw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:+9L+7S+ldCg=:304QyBfsLnmrEbN496ukBK vTvWOTltGq73G3GU2YgypdjpZmJh0hFAMfaTrq6ktMrCwXNS7Ot30UA2ifHP0DSCGw1z+TX3j WfWXFhpLpVWzrNMDk+YgswTpuRqtkVZsIiuA2dyPIJdzLMvtgmB44+z8bd3TPAj7jUCpZOupX LLtQ/N9hhF2eH8kuUQ6/a34Fy4rWSETySl4z061XwaWyfKcE/tZ8pSCPTxJykU1ZbAmL/3Ggr 2zujmpiAoKZHIZz3fuMTnaYLaeo29UqkTjDO4gMq49wpNEBnmQ8YiQZ1sOBrnIlviqru5DnZc TtVtc7nVeSEVrly5DYILXOgK2XNXSm6jOkkNjvGd2FQwooGbxEMvUvIHtrGBAUxqcYgZm+aJG 786k2hVZFCo1Pc83jqCG+hfcr9jbkThiPKLnPEZQCn2nzOkzoAIFdEYTV9G0S9i3ugGbiyZTi DrIHkSfHHzRdCKEoUAThvziS9nrPKECd/sb+owU6/0DTmOmq+aRt8iHGqz14fwag/N8DSGhkD K7ZWYJLxhRe7S32tyR9KCUL++bW2yQhdW25fclMzdoYdQcYvAhLxf62sUE5kTXuwsv5C1MX1k G8JSeUgdEB/B+WJxzQ1HkKkedL1LQIuqohYLXeflDil9AYkWC9pE6ctinhBeNgV24nh+H9Yz4 eVHKcO+9masbdHEZ4wcpxcPlQbq2G/gbPMIVfcg7xT42aYeqQJvjamAqf2slM7U28yiBTto/s FMBuCsVM/zs3O2mAQ1jay0lA7AwSBkBkULmVkuB9Ru5y2/2ovszXKCl8Ap5hmrHqk35CzW0Bk 3G7I+12 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes: >>>>>> "MA" =3D=3D Michael Albinus writes: > MA> =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes: > > MA> Hi Dan, > >>> Your bug report form is so frustrating. >>>=20 >>> At its top is a line (setq tramp-verbose 9) which the user is not >>> allowed to put his cursor nearby. > > MA> At the top of the bug report, the text is shown with the `display' te= xt > MA> property. This is because this text shall not be sent with the messag= e. > > MA> This is a usual technique for bug reports. > > MA> Best regards, Michael. > > I'll CC bug-gnu-emacs to tell them that better would just be plain text > with the words > --text-below-won't-be-sent > Bla bla bla > --text-above-won't-be-sent > > 1. it is now clear that the magic region won't be sent. > 2. The user can finally copy words on *his* screen (he bought the > computer. He ought to be allowed to copy... without needing to try > SHIFT etc.) This is not a bug. Explanation text in the bug report is not intended to be touched. Best regards, Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Mar 09 13:57:53 2017 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Mar 2017 18:57:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48020 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cm3G5-00010W-NU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 13:57:53 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]:58434) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cm3G4-00010L-Hr for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 13:57:52 -0500 Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([87.146.46.31]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx102 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lwoiq-1cAZmr2TN2-016OM6 for ; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 19:57:45 +0100 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2017 19:57:43 +0100 Message-Id: <87y3wejn14.fsf@detlef> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Michael Albinus Subject: control message for bug #26036 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:qEMgfzbynMQYMGEB7BjL6m9SKWkLr8uyQWKWDXPL6dJV1VLk+88 mMXy/ljPvY/jW2Xp9X2K288R5lTAS970+TLmPd8jwSfK3Ds/ZPXCr307hLGFl1DssFB4FG9 hWBWPtvuzFPDF5bL6EUR0rlHNGIZUr7eIYECbRcIm8C+Xcx5WKFllmFfzl2UtvuAYfmE5H/ EWerUr0KYVHuhyEM0ctvQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:Ik5iQTq7puc=:KOQhbqLOGnfdZuad+xEFNV SVdfoueoNrN2Zq9xEPIikaWsFcPYgogkUuGduHzGGDB1Bc7KkYSucKY+rROpND/oZiQmpagep +5+MALuFxnVW66g/RN0hQJfBOHa4jNvH+QJ77cgSjHYhvYeumsoBsb/GUAjSgzcTXLqQgMXQ+ us+K4ClFxWkHAaaI7WE4pauHab+4JQ2RTG1G7NO6bG2KyDNFxZJ0EYpBW1LdM4kFSl5sckmXq Tf1Zm9cIj2WseuRhsVt7zHyqWPgFfvYLe8DAi6ExrlMnGnle+ZBThA1oaGxzlKSdS1R7j0VK7 f6hYS0y7Bb5s8tNMC7r5RfHjjgUhxHC4O5G/Dmt6r0sMmupQYUlc0xYMUUWTUEqCGcRsJHWXk bdpt29ndBQC2uL5npGTUZGyj7fpm8IKIGrwnUjzNzsjZvTSA6d3OhY8Uti2MqSP1RvJUMXGbI FhedBDKlty7kTB8ZmSY/pptQKAyPlGURDmq9BBABOPbS9ZIPlK4XPy+8h9LS/Ss+YdVX8AMqf fdtw8iKguWuni5IVsRWNOa+BlscaLCCgCcH9mAVTTcvcDtU48ZMA/pHP3pzOKJb5C2R9n86ZL /lw2u6erP4ae0kosM4zu9DPdDjepD346/Iigu8uFwQ8u/NVg2u1EwUIbROG91Yd9NkdXJbLkj 0bmpwb9FIK4jwtDxERGEZU+al14jXVzUxts1SA0FEFNugMwrkRp/qMtYxgWb96mxycUYXJ4yy u6JnWSVxC3eSWMTRCbrlqctGQffh+ckC3tHAZjLm6++dg5pjNdLr3PksX74= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) tags 26036 notabug From unknown Fri Jun 13 11:25:23 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#26036: tramp (2.2.13.25.1); bug report form is so frustrating In-Reply-To: <87ziguv9g1.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 00:18:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 26036 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug wontfix To: Michael Albinus Cc: 26036@debbugs.gnu.org, tramp-devel@gnu.org Received: via spool by 26036-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B26036.14891050693406 (code B ref 26036); Fri, 10 Mar 2017 00:18:01 +0000 Received: (at 26036) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Mar 2017 00:17:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48205 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cm8Fg-0000ss-PD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 19:17:49 -0500 Received: from homie.mail.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.208]:42811 helo=homiemail-a37.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cm8Fe-0000sj-4z for 26036@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 19:17:46 -0500 Received: from homiemail-a37.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a37.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 655BB208063; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 16:17:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=XN3Q+2/XWU/iwYyNfo151PmqpyU=; b=ph6HR0nAUJoGP zqkyKlaw5j8131sPTHi9yJlhry7k0m2PQUmZE3YpiL50/4vGJ4BsSCnrew1CPzpq rGT9jPUegO3Nu1obXI8ShBknmR8GgbVxxrLc5Yrbm5hsmTeXncXTsBCS+YHT0A2L 3glmxlcY67SDWPWDups35lOb7IDNaA= Received: from jidanni.org (122-118-145-192.dynamic.hinet.net [122.118.145.192]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by homiemail-a37.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F0D8B208061; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 16:17:43 -0800 (PST) From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson References: <8737enkr6y.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:17:27 +0800 Message-ID: <871su656js.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) >>>>> "MA" == Michael Albinus writes: MA> This is not a bug. Explanation text in the bug report is not intended to MA> be touched. OK but you give a lisp form in there, which the user would like to execute with C-x C-e. But he cannot even get the cursor anywhere near it. So he has to copy it letter by letter, by hand. Doesn't that make him feel bad? From unknown Fri Jun 13 11:25:23 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#26036: tramp (2.2.13.25.1); bug report form is so frustrating Resent-From: Michael Albinus Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 07:58:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 26036 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug wontfix To: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Cc: 26036@debbugs.gnu.org, tramp-devel@gnu.org Received: via spool by 26036-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B26036.148913267513925 (code B ref 26036); Fri, 10 Mar 2017 07:58:01 +0000 Received: (at 26036) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Mar 2017 07:57:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48378 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cmFQw-0003cX-OD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Mar 2017 02:57:54 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]:64596) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cmFQv-0003cL-NE for 26036@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Mar 2017 02:57:54 -0500 Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([87.146.61.200]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx003 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MKYsh-1cn4Vc2ipD-001yeg; Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:57:43 +0100 From: Michael Albinus References: <8737enkr6y.fsf@jidanni.org> <871su656js.fsf__45704.9410710626$1489105099$gmane$org@jidanni.org> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:57:41 +0100 In-Reply-To: <871su656js.fsf__45704.9410710626$1489105099$gmane$org@jidanni.org> (" =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:17:27 +0800") Message-ID: <87efy5wolm.fsf@detlef> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:C2yxYiDvRqUltq/sk7TLMK5yjsqIkcoTiYQoqawAEa/P5cYYiRd ezqJpI6Z8xvbiZ+qJUfh2XS3b/2y/2PVl9vDFTrSKZXywL+fjsO+q1bgmUq1exHNkJuD8Qb Jf876Tc3wT9a29nqze/aLfa6nAnDyWxqp7gyDcfhJs7SZHL6ai1sWF3dhnxAfRXeO/KN4OY 5fbP9P3FqEZIPgAqfqlPw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:fWRRW4MymXc=:jQNP+RoIkV4rAmT9VJg7yj z0BLF/0+HUK247ouKuBtelpqM4t9PqsWHpvv9/HcRxZMNQE7k2hoOigsih/9+TEzuGjO5VbYA zKbccQC0mf4RwYblRT2JbOc9/BAWS7vDZBGSBj1utQvI845mVlRBIJGl2r9icgUvNhKctvFbu zmCEWaFCWNHSkh8q8pPkiliBYWuxTw1Z1EtSBZGkfDLU33wdbJffBUztNt0q2akdFnFcfc561 7mHQHmUo+euXmp2SGzB84ha0LvcZ2a/gcSw4Z1HNW/YzBSk+abFfmxcOFQVVLBOCUMY6WEw3b 7YCAzH8ADuA8T2Af5qEDVMrfNaGOHTMT3HPu01oDm0YnruCo8G4f4R5nXCPHh9B7JjN7HJupt GiirwOLIuDCgAQZ6dDZA07S6KhR1doQWImuHaw3yE55EYgrtETM14FPhm8Vs91RfItWboRZWI HtLMdmAgFUS39gxFaY5T7cSk+/rGyvzBFpr0ED0vwYbzjOY2DcoIdnW4RJ1kfuG6SN19EPKmv 75oyq6PraO05FCuDIoDd9boIx1mi5sx7Dh+Yoj/8tVCBE2BCTVukk+fS9J4GlEHqHDWpbq9Ei OnPeuUa0Awr7PrV9Nrxfq2KOHn1YQN4gGfsH5uGOeNUwnT0OFmeIbI0EVVfFcA+4XMchrHADj Fs0ukCede6v2K2KKhgqqiDBgk82KDYhUXttx+w/xKePuRf/kOW1PBhkxp7ErS+5xwNYOPP8+4 AQJQDpND+ig3d9DQxLFaQ3BBF7UovhMTKONr2NJFJNGj3KebGriaaI5cBgz7RR/X0vOFWGO/i OGl9tY5 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes: Hi Dan, > OK but you give a lisp form in there, which the user would like to > execute with C-x C-e. But he cannot even get the cursor anywhere near > it. So he has to copy it letter by letter, by hand. Doesn't that make > him feel bad? If you call "M-x report-emacs-bug", you are pointed to the file .../etc/DEBUG for further reading. You cannot select it either. This is the nature of explanation parts in bug reports. Best regards, Michael. From unknown Fri Jun 13 11:25:23 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#26036: tramp (2.2.13.25.1); bug report form is so frustrating In-Reply-To: <87ziguv9g1.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:07:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 26036 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug wontfix To: Michael Albinus Cc: 26036@debbugs.gnu.org, tramp-devel@gnu.org, "Richard M. Stallman" Received: via spool by 26036-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B26036.148913318214804 (code B ref 26036); Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:07:02 +0000 Received: (at 26036) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Mar 2017 08:06:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48391 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cmFZ8-0003qi-3c for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Mar 2017 03:06:22 -0500 Received: from homie.mail.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.208]:50866 helo=homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cmFZ5-0003qZ-NF for 26036@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Mar 2017 03:06:20 -0500 Received: from homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEF7A284087; Fri, 10 Mar 2017 00:06:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=Va+f2ZhG5qdllAbDGslbfVdMZ1U=; b=EfPpC/AJGcAC4 ksOVLnYs2QjmbAG4PTpJDhi7qgaFcdCtw0tAukoFSSwle4kVDUV73qDk7FT7hmxv I5Rhcl7bfXIYisK5YxpQcxywwxyYFMqbprmRHvJuy4iEIPirSXqMKd0ASWu74dX5 DBISvKDwQrJC+w+vwi//tsUoQajFlY= Received: from jidanni.org (122-118-146-117.dynamic.hinet.net [122.118.146.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A8E0C284081; Fri, 10 Mar 2017 00:06:17 -0800 (PST) From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson References: <8737enkr6y.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 16:06:14 +0800 Message-ID: <87bmt9wo7d.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) Ah, the equivalent of a URL that you cannot click on. And even worse: cannot even get next to so one can use ffap on it, no even...copy! And right there in the flagship of freedom editor: emacs. I'll CC rms. >>>>> "MA" == Michael Albinus writes: >> OK but you give a lisp form in there, which the user would like to >> execute with C-x C-e. But he cannot even get the cursor anywhere near >> it. So he has to copy it letter by letter, by hand. Doesn't that make >> him feel bad? MA> If you call "M-x report-emacs-bug", you are pointed to the file MA> .../etc/DEBUG for further reading. You cannot select it either. MA> This is the nature of explanation parts in bug reports. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 13 10:13:31 2017 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jun 2017 14:13:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46045 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dKmZX-0002PF-NW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 10:13:31 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]:50414) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dKmZV-0002P2-PN for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 10:13:30 -0400 Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([212.86.60.104]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx102 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MZwYd-1dYCK41cVz-00Lm5M for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 16:13:23 +0200 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 16:13:22 +0200 Message-Id: <87zidc6kn1.fsf@detlef> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Michael Albinus Subject: control message for bug #26036 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:j5QimqY9ig3C+Jm2ZzSQKFh+c0bK+jmsWFZBgqxdchRxITJqHoq YcEisYVWWaP9vIOQkvjnJBmRqzCPr4uxYAA4Krbq/sz3zJNPstR88mZY7CLR1bbmOmmY32D wdpTmeGcSK+++slvEcCIcvZVlFg9ncaactq+64ht2QJceT6xp0bZpXOhWYhM7AghYVa84I4 qYE29gtSJfa3sVL47jK9Q== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:oxcnLGlkA0c=:9/S6XtS2gyb13q+TQsfcFr +0Jd2GVbJ58vKoque6jDxgP25VpmpbsNYiFRmptejpBBR6N73u8L9Wz96Fq6QnZFv1j9NA+b4 nhP0BXteA6ygicWoq5gSxa1Pha0jfMjf2ar344WhCBbKVxVOh2fmOMnwBz3b9NlB+NP119p/6 ui6CdR++CN6kF7JdNjkl5tKbubjNlVd1Fp+pLU641a4J2+Bmh+We86dq2R+iyjVTWXELwBgKy ZknHovN5Vk2dILa7BZj/6Mkrq4fUcew3Ip6JvmnKp/DIH7czwfYMB1NOse/8nM8HX2mktnfhK eT+3fJm3lwilcTUb9WGGk89GKcslyFgY9tV30xUHzMmgW1e6w+7Ks6Cj4qL5CRSPJVC48zSkL Esfzuhq60/J7cZS21Ik0Tat/cNzRP4YPbxVvrrA5NyLcT9mDj8p+sujuJ1xsX5NRw7w4VM/lp GqvyS/AjsTjSOs/MKLoN8I85CtfcAntwAGHcb8u4VNgOpRryZkW287ZF2KnIhcn0RVI3wcF1+ gqoJ6c4DznkNDPbu/3+QHpUKlUsNuEn0J4M0NY2l+dtutaVv+QpPrJsLsvEamYFWpWm60vqRW 0qOqGvUzOPs9/NqQO6iqJKkd5Y/lW5Bjmiog4vJM+ABSCqZCP1YryrCT0CiGGMWtHYtCQTfZP 8ji6H6gg3Yf5fM3XAHihoVsBCzjy+RkMSL3w8T3JlwV0SAtlqEunBuZpP6556kVhuidXBMrEO 8yHG4mKETXkVraRxhSuKY+0sQC3odJfdyuEZj1cu9qYcROPLkDf5PinyTs0= X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) tags 26036 notabug close 26036