From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Mar 09 08:58:25 2017 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Mar 2017 13:58:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47262 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1clyaH-0006sd-CE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 08:58:25 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51467) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1clyaG-0006sR-0v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 08:58:24 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1clya9-0005pG-Mg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 08:58:18 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:44307) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1clya9-0005p8-Jo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 08:58:17 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42431) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1clya8-0004jH-37 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 08:58:17 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1clya4-0005nh-79 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 08:58:16 -0500 Received: from homie.mail.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.208]:34280 helo=homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1clya4-0005nJ-0Z; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 08:58:12 -0500 Received: from homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D193051C08A; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 05:58:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type: content-transfer-encoding; s=jidanni.org; bh=yGYqvFwNhTwTkdDkXDX b8ftjqfE=; b=DfDIKjkgfOwPFxtNAahU0QVSImm8wggy68VC13Mq0MIXdbC84Rd g/M//rPMLPd+8VgeAsVfZCyxQWm/KAXBQ3mJsZocn3Crg1FRBilEHQ1RWaJTeA2J W5/X0JblBIG1jt585HUFXuHiOrF+S494TPREuIdzr2kjZhlzFLDirlsU= Received: from jidanni.org (111-246-96-69.dynamic.hinet.net [111.246.96.69]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 824AB51C063; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 05:58:09 -0800 (PST) From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: Michael Albinus Subject: Re: tramp (2.2.13.25.1); bug report form is so frustrating References: <8737enkr6y.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2017 21:58:06 +0800 Message-ID: <87ziguv9g1.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.5 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: tramp-devel@gnu.org, bug-gnu-emacs X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.5 (----) >>>>> "MA" =3D=3D Michael Albinus writes: MA> =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes= : MA> Hi Dan, >> Your bug report form is so frustrating. >>=20 >> At its top is a line (setq tramp-verbose 9) which the user is not >> allowed to put his cursor nearby. MA> At the top of the bug report, the text is shown with the `display' te= xt MA> property. This is because this text shall not be sent with the messag= e. MA> This is a usual technique for bug reports. MA> Best regards, Michael. I'll CC bug-gnu-emacs to tell them that better would just be plain text with the words --text-below-won't-be-sent Bla bla bla --text-above-won't-be-sent 1. it is now clear that the magic region won't be sent. 2. The user can finally copy words on *his* screen (he bought the computer. He ought to be allowed to copy... without needing to try SHIFT etc.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Mar 09 12:25:25 2017 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Mar 2017 17:25:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47958 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cm1oa-0005QL-P1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 12:25:25 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60810) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cm1oZ-0005Q9-Bq for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 12:25:23 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cm1oT-0001Qj-7n for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 12:25:18 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:50830) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cm1oT-0001Qd-5Q for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 12:25:17 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1cm1oS-0001dy-Ln for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 12:25:16 -0500 Subject: control message for bug 26036 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.99.98) Message-Id: From: Glenn Morris Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2017 12:25:16 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) severity 26036 wishlist tag 26036 wontfix From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Mar 09 13:57:14 2017 Received: (at 26036) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Mar 2017 18:57:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48017 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cm3FS-0000za-EN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 13:57:14 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:57136) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cm3FR-0000zK-4O for 26036@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 13:57:13 -0500 Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([87.146.46.31]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MNHqL-1csOta1epd-006vy7; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 19:57:03 +0100 From: Michael Albinus To: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson Subject: Re: bug#26036: tramp (2.2.13.25.1); bug report form is so frustrating References: <8737enkr6y.fsf@jidanni.org> <87ziguv9g1.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2017 19:57:01 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87ziguv9g1.fsf@jidanni.org> (=?utf-8?B?IuepjeS4ueWwvA==?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Thu, 09 Mar 2017 21:58:06 +0800") Message-ID: <87zigujn2a.fsf@detlef> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:WWMBR+jZhOJ2o6bOwLD0E25XDqygH6F17WQd80cy3xu9Jrfeq1m HXrgYcsSsJuug+iYl3ZE1Ajmkx4YILzt94DgmVQuCxW28OmSPC715IYLID4zH/w5vLJMuaD sXBlkhHYhN8O4uoxLrrzebOX2hHT0h0aVQwI4usMGSkuUIazxMMlYJ1XP99tokODsAuBG1H 9zzJ7PTTlWUojg5fsHCMw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:+9L+7S+ldCg=:304QyBfsLnmrEbN496ukBK vTvWOTltGq73G3GU2YgypdjpZmJh0hFAMfaTrq6ktMrCwXNS7Ot30UA2ifHP0DSCGw1z+TX3j WfWXFhpLpVWzrNMDk+YgswTpuRqtkVZsIiuA2dyPIJdzLMvtgmB44+z8bd3TPAj7jUCpZOupX LLtQ/N9hhF2eH8kuUQ6/a34Fy4rWSETySl4z061XwaWyfKcE/tZ8pSCPTxJykU1ZbAmL/3Ggr 2zujmpiAoKZHIZz3fuMTnaYLaeo29UqkTjDO4gMq49wpNEBnmQ8YiQZ1sOBrnIlviqru5DnZc TtVtc7nVeSEVrly5DYILXOgK2XNXSm6jOkkNjvGd2FQwooGbxEMvUvIHtrGBAUxqcYgZm+aJG 786k2hVZFCo1Pc83jqCG+hfcr9jbkThiPKLnPEZQCn2nzOkzoAIFdEYTV9G0S9i3ugGbiyZTi DrIHkSfHHzRdCKEoUAThvziS9nrPKECd/sb+owU6/0DTmOmq+aRt8iHGqz14fwag/N8DSGhkD K7ZWYJLxhRe7S32tyR9KCUL++bW2yQhdW25fclMzdoYdQcYvAhLxf62sUE5kTXuwsv5C1MX1k G8JSeUgdEB/B+WJxzQ1HkKkedL1LQIuqohYLXeflDil9AYkWC9pE6ctinhBeNgV24nh+H9Yz4 eVHKcO+9masbdHEZ4wcpxcPlQbq2G/gbPMIVfcg7xT42aYeqQJvjamAqf2slM7U28yiBTto/s FMBuCsVM/zs3O2mAQ1jay0lA7AwSBkBkULmVkuB9Ru5y2/2ovszXKCl8Ap5hmrHqk35CzW0Bk 3G7I+12 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 26036 Cc: 26036@debbugs.gnu.org, tramp-devel@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes: >>>>>> "MA" =3D=3D Michael Albinus writes: > MA> =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes: > > MA> Hi Dan, > >>> Your bug report form is so frustrating. >>>=20 >>> At its top is a line (setq tramp-verbose 9) which the user is not >>> allowed to put his cursor nearby. > > MA> At the top of the bug report, the text is shown with the `display' te= xt > MA> property. This is because this text shall not be sent with the messag= e. > > MA> This is a usual technique for bug reports. > > MA> Best regards, Michael. > > I'll CC bug-gnu-emacs to tell them that better would just be plain text > with the words > --text-below-won't-be-sent > Bla bla bla > --text-above-won't-be-sent > > 1. it is now clear that the magic region won't be sent. > 2. The user can finally copy words on *his* screen (he bought the > computer. He ought to be allowed to copy... without needing to try > SHIFT etc.) This is not a bug. Explanation text in the bug report is not intended to be touched. Best regards, Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Mar 09 13:57:53 2017 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Mar 2017 18:57:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48020 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cm3G5-00010W-NU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 13:57:53 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]:58434) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cm3G4-00010L-Hr for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 13:57:52 -0500 Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([87.146.46.31]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx102 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lwoiq-1cAZmr2TN2-016OM6 for ; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 19:57:45 +0100 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2017 19:57:43 +0100 Message-Id: <87y3wejn14.fsf@detlef> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Michael Albinus Subject: control message for bug #26036 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:qEMgfzbynMQYMGEB7BjL6m9SKWkLr8uyQWKWDXPL6dJV1VLk+88 mMXy/ljPvY/jW2Xp9X2K288R5lTAS970+TLmPd8jwSfK3Ds/ZPXCr307hLGFl1DssFB4FG9 hWBWPtvuzFPDF5bL6EUR0rlHNGIZUr7eIYECbRcIm8C+Xcx5WKFllmFfzl2UtvuAYfmE5H/ EWerUr0KYVHuhyEM0ctvQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:Ik5iQTq7puc=:KOQhbqLOGnfdZuad+xEFNV SVdfoueoNrN2Zq9xEPIikaWsFcPYgogkUuGduHzGGDB1Bc7KkYSucKY+rROpND/oZiQmpagep +5+MALuFxnVW66g/RN0hQJfBOHa4jNvH+QJ77cgSjHYhvYeumsoBsb/GUAjSgzcTXLqQgMXQ+ us+K4ClFxWkHAaaI7WE4pauHab+4JQ2RTG1G7NO6bG2KyDNFxZJ0EYpBW1LdM4kFSl5sckmXq Tf1Zm9cIj2WseuRhsVt7zHyqWPgFfvYLe8DAi6ExrlMnGnle+ZBThA1oaGxzlKSdS1R7j0VK7 f6hYS0y7Bb5s8tNMC7r5RfHjjgUhxHC4O5G/Dmt6r0sMmupQYUlc0xYMUUWTUEqCGcRsJHWXk bdpt29ndBQC2uL5npGTUZGyj7fpm8IKIGrwnUjzNzsjZvTSA6d3OhY8Uti2MqSP1RvJUMXGbI FhedBDKlty7kTB8ZmSY/pptQKAyPlGURDmq9BBABOPbS9ZIPlK4XPy+8h9LS/Ss+YdVX8AMqf fdtw8iKguWuni5IVsRWNOa+BlscaLCCgCcH9mAVTTcvcDtU48ZMA/pHP3pzOKJb5C2R9n86ZL /lw2u6erP4ae0kosM4zu9DPdDjepD346/Iigu8uFwQ8u/NVg2u1EwUIbROG91Yd9NkdXJbLkj 0bmpwb9FIK4jwtDxERGEZU+al14jXVzUxts1SA0FEFNugMwrkRp/qMtYxgWb96mxycUYXJ4yy u6JnWSVxC3eSWMTRCbrlqctGQffh+ckC3tHAZjLm6++dg5pjNdLr3PksX74= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) tags 26036 notabug From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Mar 09 19:17:49 2017 Received: (at 26036) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Mar 2017 00:17:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48205 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cm8Fg-0000ss-PD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 19:17:49 -0500 Received: from homie.mail.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.208]:42811 helo=homiemail-a37.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cm8Fe-0000sj-4z for 26036@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 19:17:46 -0500 Received: from homiemail-a37.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a37.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 655BB208063; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 16:17:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=XN3Q+2/XWU/iwYyNfo151PmqpyU=; b=ph6HR0nAUJoGP zqkyKlaw5j8131sPTHi9yJlhry7k0m2PQUmZE3YpiL50/4vGJ4BsSCnrew1CPzpq rGT9jPUegO3Nu1obXI8ShBknmR8GgbVxxrLc5Yrbm5hsmTeXncXTsBCS+YHT0A2L 3glmxlcY67SDWPWDups35lOb7IDNaA= Received: from jidanni.org (122-118-145-192.dynamic.hinet.net [122.118.145.192]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by homiemail-a37.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F0D8B208061; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 16:17:43 -0800 (PST) From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: Michael Albinus Subject: Re: bug#26036: tramp (2.2.13.25.1); bug report form is so frustrating References: <8737enkr6y.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:17:27 +0800 Message-ID: <871su656js.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 26036 Cc: 26036@debbugs.gnu.org, tramp-devel@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) >>>>> "MA" == Michael Albinus writes: MA> This is not a bug. Explanation text in the bug report is not intended to MA> be touched. OK but you give a lisp form in there, which the user would like to execute with C-x C-e. But he cannot even get the cursor anywhere near it. So he has to copy it letter by letter, by hand. Doesn't that make him feel bad? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 10 02:57:55 2017 Received: (at 26036) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Mar 2017 07:57:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48378 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cmFQw-0003cX-OD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Mar 2017 02:57:54 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]:64596) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cmFQv-0003cL-NE for 26036@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Mar 2017 02:57:54 -0500 Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([87.146.61.200]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx003 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MKYsh-1cn4Vc2ipD-001yeg; Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:57:43 +0100 From: Michael Albinus To: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson Subject: Re: bug#26036: tramp (2.2.13.25.1); bug report form is so frustrating References: <8737enkr6y.fsf@jidanni.org> <871su656js.fsf__45704.9410710626$1489105099$gmane$org@jidanni.org> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:57:41 +0100 In-Reply-To: <871su656js.fsf__45704.9410710626$1489105099$gmane$org@jidanni.org> (" =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:17:27 +0800") Message-ID: <87efy5wolm.fsf@detlef> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:C2yxYiDvRqUltq/sk7TLMK5yjsqIkcoTiYQoqawAEa/P5cYYiRd ezqJpI6Z8xvbiZ+qJUfh2XS3b/2y/2PVl9vDFTrSKZXywL+fjsO+q1bgmUq1exHNkJuD8Qb Jf876Tc3wT9a29nqze/aLfa6nAnDyWxqp7gyDcfhJs7SZHL6ai1sWF3dhnxAfRXeO/KN4OY 5fbP9P3FqEZIPgAqfqlPw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:fWRRW4MymXc=:jQNP+RoIkV4rAmT9VJg7yj z0BLF/0+HUK247ouKuBtelpqM4t9PqsWHpvv9/HcRxZMNQE7k2hoOigsih/9+TEzuGjO5VbYA zKbccQC0mf4RwYblRT2JbOc9/BAWS7vDZBGSBj1utQvI845mVlRBIJGl2r9icgUvNhKctvFbu zmCEWaFCWNHSkh8q8pPkiliBYWuxTw1Z1EtSBZGkfDLU33wdbJffBUztNt0q2akdFnFcfc561 7mHQHmUo+euXmp2SGzB84ha0LvcZ2a/gcSw4Z1HNW/YzBSk+abFfmxcOFQVVLBOCUMY6WEw3b 7YCAzH8ADuA8T2Af5qEDVMrfNaGOHTMT3HPu01oDm0YnruCo8G4f4R5nXCPHh9B7JjN7HJupt GiirwOLIuDCgAQZ6dDZA07S6KhR1doQWImuHaw3yE55EYgrtETM14FPhm8Vs91RfItWboRZWI HtLMdmAgFUS39gxFaY5T7cSk+/rGyvzBFpr0ED0vwYbzjOY2DcoIdnW4RJ1kfuG6SN19EPKmv 75oyq6PraO05FCuDIoDd9boIx1mi5sx7Dh+Yoj/8tVCBE2BCTVukk+fS9J4GlEHqHDWpbq9Ei OnPeuUa0Awr7PrV9Nrxfq2KOHn1YQN4gGfsH5uGOeNUwnT0OFmeIbI0EVVfFcA+4XMchrHADj Fs0ukCede6v2K2KKhgqqiDBgk82KDYhUXttx+w/xKePuRf/kOW1PBhkxp7ErS+5xwNYOPP8+4 AQJQDpND+ig3d9DQxLFaQ3BBF7UovhMTKONr2NJFJNGj3KebGriaaI5cBgz7RR/X0vOFWGO/i OGl9tY5 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 26036 Cc: 26036@debbugs.gnu.org, tramp-devel@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes: Hi Dan, > OK but you give a lisp form in there, which the user would like to > execute with C-x C-e. But he cannot even get the cursor anywhere near > it. So he has to copy it letter by letter, by hand. Doesn't that make > him feel bad? If you call "M-x report-emacs-bug", you are pointed to the file .../etc/DEBUG for further reading. You cannot select it either. This is the nature of explanation parts in bug reports. Best regards, Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 10 03:06:22 2017 Received: (at 26036) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Mar 2017 08:06:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48391 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cmFZ8-0003qi-3c for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Mar 2017 03:06:22 -0500 Received: from homie.mail.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.208]:50866 helo=homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cmFZ5-0003qZ-NF for 26036@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Mar 2017 03:06:20 -0500 Received: from homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEF7A284087; Fri, 10 Mar 2017 00:06:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=Va+f2ZhG5qdllAbDGslbfVdMZ1U=; b=EfPpC/AJGcAC4 ksOVLnYs2QjmbAG4PTpJDhi7qgaFcdCtw0tAukoFSSwle4kVDUV73qDk7FT7hmxv I5Rhcl7bfXIYisK5YxpQcxywwxyYFMqbprmRHvJuy4iEIPirSXqMKd0ASWu74dX5 DBISvKDwQrJC+w+vwi//tsUoQajFlY= Received: from jidanni.org (122-118-146-117.dynamic.hinet.net [122.118.146.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A8E0C284081; Fri, 10 Mar 2017 00:06:17 -0800 (PST) From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: Michael Albinus Subject: Re: bug#26036: tramp (2.2.13.25.1); bug report form is so frustrating References: <8737enkr6y.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 16:06:14 +0800 Message-ID: <87bmt9wo7d.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 26036 Cc: 26036@debbugs.gnu.org, tramp-devel@gnu.org, "Richard M. Stallman" X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) Ah, the equivalent of a URL that you cannot click on. And even worse: cannot even get next to so one can use ffap on it, no even...copy! And right there in the flagship of freedom editor: emacs. I'll CC rms. >>>>> "MA" == Michael Albinus writes: >> OK but you give a lisp form in there, which the user would like to >> execute with C-x C-e. But he cannot even get the cursor anywhere near >> it. So he has to copy it letter by letter, by hand. Doesn't that make >> him feel bad? MA> If you call "M-x report-emacs-bug", you are pointed to the file MA> .../etc/DEBUG for further reading. You cannot select it either. MA> This is the nature of explanation parts in bug reports. 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