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tramp (2.2.13.25.1); bug report form is so frustrating

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Message #5 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org>
To: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de>
Cc: tramp-devel <at> gnu.org, bug-gnu-emacs <bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org>
Subject: Re: tramp (2.2.13.25.1); bug report form is so frustrating
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2017 21:58:06 +0800

>>>>> "MA" == Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de> writes:
MA> 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org> writes:

MA> Hi Dan,

>> Your bug report form is so frustrating.
>> 
>> At its top is a line (setq tramp-verbose 9) which the user is not
>> allowed to put his cursor nearby.

MA> At the top of the bug report, the text is shown with the `display' text
MA> property. This is because this text shall not be sent with the message.

MA> This is a usual technique for bug reports.

MA> Best regards, Michael.

I'll CC bug-gnu-emacs to tell them that better would just be plain text
with the words
--text-below-won't-be-sent
Bla bla bla
--text-above-won't-be-sent

1. it is now clear that the magic region won't be sent.
2. The user can finally copy words on *his* screen (he bought the
computer. He ought to be allowed to copy... without needing to try
SHIFT etc.)

Message #12 received at 26036 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de>
To: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org>
Cc: 26036 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, tramp-devel <at> gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#26036: tramp (2.2.13.25.1); bug report form is so frustrating
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2017 19:57:01 +0100

積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org> writes:

>>>>>> "MA" == Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de> writes:
> MA> 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org> writes:
>
> MA> Hi Dan,
>
>>> Your bug report form is so frustrating.
>>> 
>>> At its top is a line (setq tramp-verbose 9) which the user is not
>>> allowed to put his cursor nearby.
>
> MA> At the top of the bug report, the text is shown with the `display' text
> MA> property. This is because this text shall not be sent with the message.
>
> MA> This is a usual technique for bug reports.
>
> MA> Best regards, Michael.
>
> I'll CC bug-gnu-emacs to tell them that better would just be plain text
> with the words
> --text-below-won't-be-sent
> Bla bla bla
> --text-above-won't-be-sent
>
> 1. it is now clear that the magic region won't be sent.
> 2. The user can finally copy words on *his* screen (he bought the
> computer. He ought to be allowed to copy... without needing to try
> SHIFT etc.)

This is not a bug. Explanation text in the bug report is not intended to
be touched.

Best regards, Michael.

Message #17 received at 26036 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org>
To: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de>
Cc: 26036 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, tramp-devel <at> gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#26036: tramp (2.2.13.25.1); bug report form is so frustrating
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:17:27 +0800

>>>>> "MA" == Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de> writes:

MA> This is not a bug. Explanation text in the bug report is not intended to
MA> be touched.

OK but you give a lisp form in there, which the user would like to
execute with C-x C-e. But he cannot even get the cursor anywhere near
it. So he has to copy it letter by letter, by hand. Doesn't that make
him feel bad?

Message #20 received at 26036 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de>
To: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org>
Cc: 26036 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, tramp-devel <at> gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#26036: tramp (2.2.13.25.1); bug report form is so frustrating
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:57:41 +0100

積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org> writes:

Hi Dan,

> OK but you give a lisp form in there, which the user would like to
> execute with C-x C-e. But he cannot even get the cursor anywhere near
> it. So he has to copy it letter by letter, by hand. Doesn't that make
> him feel bad?

If you call "M-x report-emacs-bug", you are pointed to the file
.../etc/DEBUG for further reading. You cannot select it either.

This is the nature of explanation parts in bug reports.

Best regards, Michael.

Message #23 received at 26036 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org>
To: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de>
Cc: 26036 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, tramp-devel <at> gnu.org,
 "Richard M. Stallman" <rms <at> gnu.org>
Subject: Re: bug#26036: tramp (2.2.13.25.1); bug report form is so frustrating
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 16:06:14 +0800

Ah, the equivalent of a URL that you cannot click on. And even worse:
cannot even get next to so one can use ffap on it, no even...copy! And
right there in the flagship of freedom editor: emacs. I'll CC rms.

>>>>> "MA" == Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de> writes:

>> OK but you give a lisp form in there, which the user would like to
>> execute with C-x C-e. But he cannot even get the cursor anywhere near
>> it. So he has to copy it letter by letter, by hand. Doesn't that make
>> him feel bad?

MA> If you call "M-x report-emacs-bug", you are pointed to the file
MA> .../etc/DEBUG for further reading. You cannot select it either.

MA> This is the nature of explanation parts in bug reports.

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