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25.1; IPA multilingual text input key sequence problems

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From: bruce robertson <brucer42 <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 25.1; IPA multilingual text input key sequence problems
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2017 00:36:01 +0000

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1. enter IPA multilingual text input
   C-x RET C-\ ipa RET
2. describe input method
   C-h I
both "e-" and "e|" produce rhotacized schwa. Correct?

The C-h I help for "tsh" could be MUCH BETTER. Since that is the only key
seq that leads to a numbered list, how about "type the sequence, then
select from list" OR
tsh0 tsh1 tsh2

In addition, some sequences leave the cursor ON TOP of the resulting glyph
allowing overstrike of vertical bar. I don't know what this means in IPA.
Prosody?

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Message #8 received at 25622 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: bruce robertson <brucer42 <at> gmail.com>
To: 25622 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: slight correction
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2017 00:42:46 +0000

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I mean tsh1, tsh2, tsh3. These probably can just be 3 entries LIKE the
table above

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Message #11 received at 25622 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: bruce robertson <brucer42 <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 25622 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#25622: 25.1; IPA multilingual text input key sequence problems
Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2017 17:41:18 +0200

> From: bruce robertson <brucer42 <at> gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2017 00:36:01 +0000
> 
> 1. enter IPA multilingual text input
> C-x RET C-\ ipa RET
> 2. describe input method
> C-h I
> both "e-" and "e|" produce rhotacized schwa. Correct?

Yes, I think so.  Do you have reasons to believe it is incorrect?

> The C-h I help for "tsh" could be MUCH BETTER. Since that is the only key seq that leads to a numbered list,
> how about "type the sequence, then select from list" OR
> tsh0 tsh1 tsh2

It already says "type a key (sequence) and select one from the list",
which is almost exactly what you wanted.

> In addition, some sequences leave the cursor ON TOP of the resulting glyph allowing overstrike of vertical
> bar.

I cannot reproduce this.  Can you tell which sequences have this
effect?

Thanks.

Message #16 received at 25622-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 25622-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org, bruce robertson <brucer42 <at> gmail.com>
Subject: Re: bug#25622: 25.1; IPA multilingual text input key sequence problems
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 00:56:55 -0700

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

>> 1. enter IPA multilingual text input
>> C-x RET C-\ ipa RET
>> 2. describe input method
>> C-h I
>> both "e-" and "e|" produce rhotacized schwa. Correct?
>
> Yes, I think so.  Do you have reasons to believe it is incorrect?
>
>> The C-h I help for "tsh" could be MUCH BETTER. Since that is the only key seq that leads to a numbered list,
>> how about "type the sequence, then select from list" OR
>> tsh0 tsh1 tsh2
>
> It already says "type a key (sequence) and select one from the list",
> which is almost exactly what you wanted.
>
>> In addition, some sequences leave the cursor ON TOP of the resulting glyph allowing overstrike of vertical
>> bar.
>
> I cannot reproduce this.  Can you tell which sequences have this
> effect?

More information was requested, but none was given within 3.5 years, so
I'm closing this bug.  If this is still an issue, please reply to this
email (use "Reply to all" in your email client) and we can reopen the
bug report.

Best regards,
Stefan Kangas

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